4 posts deleted - THANKYOU ???

[Lesbian Cow]

It seems like the actual problem here would be solved, like many of the forums problems, by eliminating signatures.  No signatures, greatly reduced incentive to spam, no need to have bots deleting suspected spam.

[mprep]

I did not call anyone stupid - simply stated that to moderate requires thought and a functioning brain - if you have those, then my statement does not apply to you.

As for your question:

How, from a non-emotional and non-biased perspective, is someone posting a "thanks" for being able to participate in a raffle different from someone posting a "thanks" for an interesting post


Simple - the people that participated often in these raffles have paid to be part of the raffle or are partaking in a raffle where the participants pay nothing and the host is the one incurring the cost of gifting the item - often including free shipping. There is tangible - real world objects at stake with these raffles. Sometimes, the value can be quite high - take for example the last raffle involving the silver Litecoin wallet/block. The crypto value is 12.5 LTC, then add the value of the silver content - this is not a simple post of an "interesting" topic.

People posting "thanks" on an interesting topic, have put nothing into it. They simply read it.

That is why if someone is going to moderate the collectibles area, they need to understand that a blanket policy simply does not work.

While I understand your position, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think effort of producing the item being thanked for should factor into whether a "thanks" post should be allowed or not.

Just a thought: a count down timer to self-delete a post would be a nice feature. Post "Thank you so much for doing this!", click "auto-delete in 24 hours", and in the corner of the posts a count down appears. For Mods it's obvious it isn't spam and will clean itself, and the user gets to say thanks without sending an unsolicited PM.

Interesting idea. Something for the new forum software perhaps.

It seems like the actual problem here would be solved, like many of the forums problems, by eliminating signatures.  No signatures, greatly reduced incentive to spam, no need to have bots deleting suspected spam.

I know I'm being pedantic but the bot doesn't delete anything. All it does is point out posts which I then manually review and (if against the rules) manually act on.

[LoyceMobile]

It seems like the actual problem here would be solved, like many of the forums problems, by eliminating signatures.  No signatures, greatly reduced incentive to spam, no need to have bots deleting suspected spam.

I guess you haven't seen this yet: https://loyce.club/badposts/spam.html

[GazetaBitcoin]

It seems like the actual problem here would be solved, like many of the forums problems, by eliminating signatures.  No signatures, greatly reduced incentive to spam, no need to have bots deleting suspected spam.

Or, even better,

- ban any member participating in a signature campaign (and delete all his post history)
- ban any member which participated in the past in a signature campaign (and delete all his post history)
- ban any member which ever wrote "thank you" or similar words (and delete all those posts, but to be sure you teach him a good lesson, better delete his entire post history as well)
- enforce other gulag rules each possible time, in order to make sure that nobody ever dares to break the rules.

[Lesbian Cow]

It seems like the actual problem here would be solved, like many of the forums problems, by eliminating signatures.  No signatures, greatly reduced incentive to spam, no need to have bots deleting suspected spam.

Or, even better,

- ban any member participating in a signature campaign (and delete all his post history)
- ban any member which participated in the past in a signature campaign (and delete all his post history)
- ban any member which ever wrote "thank you" or similar words (and delete all those posts, but to be sure you teach him a good lesson, better delete his entire post history as well)
- enforce other gulag rules each possible time, in order to make sure that nobody ever dares to break the rules.

Seems a bit much

[MoparMiningLLC]

While I understand your position, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think effort of producing the item being thanked for should factor into whether a "thanks" post should be allowed or not.

so we should be rude? and ungrateful? or just pad our posts with more nonsensical words so it does not get deleted? If the purpose of the thread is to do a raffle or a sale - then posts thanking the OP are befitting that thread. Sometimes instead of just saying "thank you" is a bullshit post, let's delete it - maybe look at why the person is saying thanks. Is it because they just spent 1.2 BTC buying an item - or is it because they said "thanks" because they simply read a post?

To say that both situations are the same and to delete posts as such is not logical. So much trash is allowed on the forums, scammers, ban evaders, bounties and such yet what is deleted? Common courtesy and gratitude.

Yes, we are going to have to disagree.

Is it possible to get new moderators for collectibles? Ones that understand the purpose of the collectibles area?

[mprep]

While I understand your position, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think effort of producing the item being thanked for should factor into whether a "thanks" post should be allowed or not.

so we should be rude? and ungrateful? or just pad our posts with more nonsensical words so it does not get deleted? If the purpose of the thread is to do a raffle or a sale - then posts thanking the OP are befitting that thread. Sometimes instead of just saying "thank you" is a bullshit post, let's delete it - maybe look at why the person is saying thanks. Is it because they just spent 1.2 BTC buying an item - or is it because they said "thanks" because they simply read a post?

To say that both situations are the same and to delete posts as such is not logical. So much trash is allowed on the forums, scammers, ban evaders, bounties and such yet what is deleted? Common courtesy and gratitude.

Yes, we are going to have to disagree.

Is it possible to get new moderators for collectibles? Ones that understand the purpose of the collectibles area?

If you want to be polite or express your gratefulness, you're free to, as I've mentioned several times, thank the person via PM or add your "thanks" to a post that has something more substantial than just that. As for different mods, global mods can moderate the entire forum:

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Global Moderators: can perma ban, nuke newbies, see and handle reports from all sections, and see reported PMs.
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[Joel_Jantsen]

It seems like the actual problem here would be solved, like many of the forums problems, by eliminating signatures.  No signatures, greatly reduced incentive to spam, no need to have bots deleting suspected spam.

I don't think so. Most of the campaign managers (at least nowadays) have a minimum post character requirement and stuff like "Thank You", "Thank you for organizing this " doesn't get paid for. So if someone is actually doing it, it means it's either out of their will to genuinely thank someone or they belong to a campaign that is poorly managed. So the problem boils down to not eliminating signatures but eliminating bad managers who run the campaign.

[1miau]

It seems like the actual problem here would be solved, like many of the forums problems, by eliminating signatures.  No signatures, greatly reduced incentive to spam, no need to have bots deleting suspected spam.

Or, even better,

- ban any member participating in a signature campaign (and delete all his post history)
- ban any member which participated in the past in a signature campaign (and delete all his post history)
- ban any member which ever wrote "thank you" or similar words (and delete all those posts, but to be sure you teach him a good lesson, better delete his entire post history as well)
- enforce other gulag rules each possible time, in order to make sure that nobody ever dares to break the rules.

BAN, right away



I'm not a friend of deleting per bot, it should be decided manually by a moderator but I can understand the mods here, in some way giveaway congratulations could really get the new "Good project, Sir! When exchange Listing? / When Binance? / When Moon?". If someone really wants to congratulate, sending a PM would be ideal. Just imagine if everyone from a 100 spot giveaway would congratulate the winner and thank the OP for starting his giveaway. 
Best solution would be Bounty Managers rejecting such posts and most likely the problem would get better.

Obviously, I don't have any insight if / how bad this problem has become, I'm not a moderator, so I'm trusting the mods here.   

It seems like the actual problem here would be solved, like many of the forums problems, by eliminating signatures.  No signatures, greatly reduced incentive to spam, no need to have bots deleting suspected spam.

I don't think so. Most of the campaign managers (at least nowadays) have a minimum post character requirement and stuff like "Thank You", "Thank you for organizing this " doesn't get paid for.

Most people would just add fluff to reach the number of characters:

"Thank you very much for this giveaway. I'm looking forward to your next great giveaway where I'm hopefully participating again.(+and winning (+this time))" - 107 characters +10 +8
"Congratulations to xy (winner). Even despite the fact that I didn't won this time it was a pleasure to participate in your free giveaway (+of a xy coin)." - 106 characters +9
"Congratulations to xy (winner) for winning the giveaway. And many thanks to OP for starting this giveaway, it was a very valuable price (+users could have won here)." - 114 characters +21
...
 

Bounty Managers should review each post which was made every week and reject those with congratulations + fluff to reach 75 / 100 / 150 characters. But of course, most Bounty managers won't care. 

[libert19]

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Tbf these posts doesn't sound like they add anything to discussion.

[Mitchell]

I'm not a friend of deleting per bot, it should be decided manually by a moderator

The bot does not remove posts, mprep themselves does:

I was the one who deleted the "thank you" posts. I use a tool that scans new posts for low value content. I manually go through the results periodically and manually delete any posts that violate rule 1 from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 or any other rule.

[hilariousetc]

While I understand your position, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I don't think effort of producing the item being thanked for should factor into whether a "thanks" post should be allowed or not.

so we should be rude? and ungrateful? or just pad our posts with more nonsensical words so it does not get deleted? If the purpose of the thread is to do a raffle or a sale - then posts thanking the OP are befitting that thread. Sometimes instead of just saying "thank you" is a bullshit post, let's delete it - maybe look at why the person is saying thanks. Is it because they just spent 1.2 BTC buying an item - or is it because they said "thanks" because they simply read a post?

To say that both situations are the same and to delete posts as such is not logical. So much trash is allowed on the forums, scammers, ban evaders, bounties and such yet what is deleted? Common courtesy and gratitude.

Yes, we are going to have to disagree.

Is it possible to get new moderators for collectibles? Ones that understand the purpose of the collectibles area?

If you want something changed then petition the admins. This can be done both for requesting new mods and rule changes. Just create threads in Meta about each issue and maybe theymos will take note or act on them. Theymos doesn't like to have rules set in stone anyway and hence why they're the "unofficial" ones. With that being said, rules are always open to interpretation by each staff member as well. One mod may see them as unsubstantial and unnecessary whilst another may not be bothered by them and either ignore them or mark them as bad (though the latter probably wouldn't be appropriate unless the rules are changed). I see both arguments as valid though and mprep didn't do anything wrong by the rules, but I do think it's harsh removing them and maybe there are certain rules that should be amended or changed. At the end of the day it's common courtesy to thank someone and not doing so could seem rude or ungrateful. I think people should be allowed to thank people for something without writing an essay also, but I also see how it could be an issue if there's just pages and pages of people just writing 'thanks' etc and we saw this abuse in the alt coin section with aidrops and giveaways etc. Maybe there needs to be more discussion on this topic or a thanks button or something implemented. I think that would be a better solution personally.