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[OgNasty]

Can you clarify what this is about? As I understand it, you mean that OG returned 500 bitcoins to Theymos, but throughout the entire storage period, he operated on it at his own discretion? I honestly don't remember the content of the contract between OG and Theymos, as I read it for a long time (and I can't remember where to find it).

OgNasty

2019-05-25

Held 500 BTC for the forum from 2013 to 2019.

Allow me. I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback.

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[Vod]

^ Obviously Og feels his actions in stealing the tokens is acceptable, keeping with his reputation as a thief.

Can you clarify what this is about? As I understand it, you mean that OG returned 500 bitcoins to Theymos, but throughout the entire storage period, he operated on it at his own discretion? I honestly don't remember the content of the contract between OG and Theymos, as I read it for a long time (and I can't remember where to find it).

Long story short:  Og had control of 500 btc of forum funds. Hoping no one would find out, he used them in airdrops and embezzled all tokens that the coins generated.  Theymos found out, asked he return certain tokens and he could keep the rest.  Og then said it was his "fiduciary duty" to steal as much as possible, and attacked Theymos for not telling him which tokens he could steal in advance - even though Theymos was unaware of the theft.  :/

I certainly can't speak to what theymos knows or doesn't know... but I get the feeling he personally doesn't like ponzi's.

Many women don't like prostitution - but it brings in the $.  He posts he doesn't like ponzis, but he has been paying Og the entire decade he's been running these ponzis, and using his position to discredit my investigation into the ponzis.   We can hope Theymos knows ponzis are wrong, but he doesn't act like it.

[icopress]

I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback.

As I understand it, no one can confirm this except for Theymos? And what coins do you call "remainder"? Or you can go the other way ...

• Question to all: Is it possible to somehow link BFork addresses with BCH addresses?

Og had control of 500 btc of forum funds. Hoping no one would find out, he used them in airdrops and embezzled all tokens that the coins generated.  Theymos found out, asked he return certain tokens and he could keep the rest.  Og then said it was his "fiduciary duty" to steal as much as possible, and attacked Theymos for not telling him which tokens he could steal in advance - even though Theymos was unaware of the theft.

If you're right, that's about half a million dollars minimum. For educational purposes, I'll try to find an agreement between Theymos and OG, then, probably, I'll see the whole picture, (In the meantime, I'll wait for an answer from OG) ...

[Vod]

I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback.

As I understand it, no one can confirm this except for Theymos? And what coins do you call "remainder"? Or you can go the other way ...

Og is misleading, as usual.

Theymos asked for the coins back, and left OG positive feedback.  A lot of lemmings followed.   THEN Theymos found out Og had used those coins as if they were his, and declared Og tacky, which according to Og, means he is a disgusting human being.  

Theymos did not leave Og positive feedback for embezzling coins.  

Hey look, another day, another honest user who has been a positive participant in the community for years who would rather leave bitcointalk then deal with the lies and harassment of these users.  People have been asking for years what is happening to all the long term use case creators in this community, well...  Do you still have to ask?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5298464.0

Hey look, Og using his alt account to make a point after using it to escrow scam, merit scam and DT scam.  :/

[eddie13]

I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback.

As I understand it, no one can confirm this except for Theymos? And what coins do you call "remainder"? Or you can go the other way ...

• Question to all: Is it possible to somehow link BFork addresses with BCH addresses?

Og had control of 500 btc of forum funds. Hoping no one would find out, he used them in airdrops and embezzled all tokens that the coins generated.  Theymos found out, asked he return certain tokens and he could keep the rest.  Og then said it was his "fiduciary duty" to steal as much as possible, and attacked Theymos for not telling him which tokens he could steal in advance - even though Theymos was unaware of the theft.

If you're right, that's about half a million dollars minimum. For educational purposes, I'll try to find an agreement between Theymos and OG, then, probably, I'll see the whole picture, (In the meantime, I'll wait for an answer from OG) ...

OG held all the fork coins the entire time and gave theymos all of the valuable fork coins theymos wanted, like BCH..
theymos told OG to just keep the low value forks when the escrow was returned..

Along the time OG also claimed some airdrops from all of his addresses, including his address that held the forums escrow coins.. I imagine like stellar and clams and such..
He did this only by signing the addresses which did not endanger or move the escrow coins in any way..

theymos did say that it was a bit “tacky” for him to have claimed the airdrops, but their was no theft or risk to the coins in doing so..

He handed this forum back millions of dollar$ worth of bitcoins perfectly..

You so t have to believe me though.. Do the research..
I just know because I was there..



And by the way.. OG’s trust score is 150 something positive from my viewpoint..

[Vod]

The issue is never returning the stolen items once you get caught - people do that all the time.     The issue was he didn't inform anyone he had stole the forked coins until someone brought it up.  The same way he didn't inform everyone he didn't lose coins in pirate's ponzi - he hoped no one would find out.

Finally, take a clue from the politicians.   How many of them do the right thing and pay back fraudulent expenses before they are discovered?

[eddie13]

The issue is never returning the stolen items once you get caught - people do that all the time.     The issue was he didn't inform anyone he had stole the forked coins until someone brought it up.  The same way he didn't inform everyone he didn't lose coins in pirate's ponzi - he hoped no one would find out.

Finally, take a clue from the politicians.   How many of them do the right thing and pay back fraudulent expenses before they are discovered?

He never even moved the fork coins from the escrow address until theymos told him to..
They just sat there..

[Vod]

theymos did say that it was a bit “tacky” for him to have claimed the airdrops, but their was no theft or risk to the coins in doing so..

Theft had already occurred.   What you saw here was  illegal - Theymos using community funds to reward a thief.   If you search for his real name, you'll see he's been suspect of mishandling community funds for over a decade.  He's no longer suspect - he is accused of being in collusion with OGNasty.   If this forum suddenly goes dark, you can thank me.  

Allow me. I was paid by theymos to hold 500 BTC. I returned it when asked along with all the alts theymos asked me to return. He gifted the remainder to me and left me positive feedback.

Theymos paid you community funds.  You stole them and returned some when caught.   Theymos gave you what was not his to give, and gave you feedback to help you scam others.

Thanks bozo.  

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Theymos paid you community funds.  You stole them and returned some when caught.   Theymos gave you what was not his to give, and gave you feedback to help you scam others.

Thanks bozo.  

For those of us who don't know the history well, could you explain what you mean by 'community funds'? Because I am part of the community and those funds are not partially mine. I understand that theymos is now the owner of the forum but I don't know if in the period mentioned it was also Sirius or more people.

[yahoo62278]

Theymos paid you community funds.  You stole them and returned some when caught.   Theymos gave you what was not his to give, and gave you feedback to help you scam others.

Thanks bozo.  

For those of us who don't know the history well, could you explain what you mean by 'community funds'? Because I am part of the community and those funds are not partially mine. I understand that theymos is now the owner of the forum but I don't know if in the period mentioned it was also Sirius or more people.

I believe he is referring to donations from the old donators, funds accrued by selling forum ad spaces, and maybe forked coins earned from both of those. I could be wrong of course, but this is where I would guess he is referring.

[Vod]

I believe he is referring to donations from the old donators, funds accrued by selling forum ad spaces, and maybe forked coins earned from both of those. I could be wrong of course, but this is where I would guess he is referring.

Correct.  The investigators will want to know exactly when the donations became his property.  I'm going off nothing but Theymos' words here on the forum he controls.  He pledged to use donations for the improvement of the bitcoin community, but instead he gave them all to his friends.   Did you know that every single person Theymos entrusted with bitcoin stole from him?    When someone steals entrusted property from you, and you reward them, it shows your corruption, and you usually go to jail.

Both OG and Theymos simply got too greedy.  They could have walked away years ago and been "set for life", as OG said.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The investigators will want to know exactly when the donations became his property. 

Vod, you know I'm no fan of OgNasty so please don't take this as challenging you in a negative way, but when you returned to the forum the last time you were saying more or less the same thing as you are now.  If you've really got investigators looking into illicit transactions involving Theymos, OgNasty, and/or anyone else, it'd be much better if you'd show some evidence of the wheels of justice in motion instead of what look like empty threats.

And the reason I said "empty" is because you've been at this for years now and there hasn't been any action taken as far as the community can see.  Know what I mean?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

The truth is that I knew little about this story and would not want to get too involved, but Vod's return to the forum and the things he says have aroused my interest.

Vod, you know I'm no fan of OgNasty so please don't take this as challenging you in a negative way, but when you returned to the forum the last time you were saying more or less the same thing as you are now.  If you've really got investigators looking into illicit transactions involving Theymos, OgNasty, and/or anyone else, it'd be much better if you'd show some evidence of the wheels of justice in motion instead of what look like empty threats.

And the reason I said "empty" is because you've been at this for years now and there hasn't been any action taken as far as the community can see.  Know what I mean?

Regarding what you say, there is a thread on reddit from 3 years ago that is is consistent with what you say, as he claims he had contacted the FBI back then. However, it could be that the investigation is going slowly and has not yet been acted upon.

[Foxpup]

The investigators will want to know exactly when the donations became his property.

At the risk of stating the obvious, donations become the property of the recipient the moment they are given. Any subsequent absconsion of the donated funds by a third-party scammer is thus theymos's problem, not yours. I really don't see how this affects you in any way - you're out the donated funds regardless of theymos's decisions and actions. What exactly is the point of this vendetta?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Regarding what you say, there is a thread on reddit from 3 years ago that is is consistent with what you say, as he claims he had contacted the FBI back then. However, it could be that the investigation is going slowly and has not yet been acted upon.

Ah, thank you for that link.  I detest reddit and would never have known of that thread's existence had you not pointed it out or unless I saw another link to it on bitcointalk.

Now that I did see it, I'm not sure what to think.  I doubt any US alphabet agency would give any credence to Vod's claims about this forum's mismanagement of its funds when said claims are alongside accusations that his stroke was due to the stress from forum drama.  Then again, there's been no hard evidence as of yet regarding what's been presented to any government agency by Vod, so who knows.  What I've seen so far has basically been bluster and not much else.

Foxpup has a good point about donations being out of the hands of the donator once they're given, though I'm not sure about what, if any, promises were made to donators as to the use of the funds.  And I'd really like to hear OgNasty and Theymos's opinions on this, though I'm pretty sure they're not going to chime in.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

What exactly is the point of this vendetta?

As per my understanding he is trying to take it to the next level. It seems with OgNasty he was not able to get much attention, yes there were some drama but not enough to tickle everyone.

[Vod]

I doubt any US alphabet agency would give any credence to Vod's claims about this forum's mismanagement of its funds when said claims are alongside accusations that his stroke was due to the stress from forum drama.  Then again, there's been no hard evidence as of yet regarding what's been presented to any government agency by Vod, so who knows.

I cannot talk about any ongoing investigation, other than my tip to the FBI didn't go anyway.   However, an agency did take interest when Theymos caught OG stealing and rewarded him.   Another agency (in Arizona) contacted me and tried to get me to stop my investigation, even taking credit for bringing down chipmixer. (lol).

LoyceV - your name is mentioned in the emails.  I trust you enough to send it to you if you wish.

And I'd really like to hear OgNasty and Theymos's opinions on this, though I'm pretty sure they're not going to chime in.

You won't hear anything.   Admitting one way or the other reduces available defense in court.   Ask Theymos right now if the forum is his, or the community, he won't answer.   His words will be used against him.

[LoyceV]

LoyceV - your name is mentioned in the emails.  I trust you enough to send it to you if you wish.

You have my curiosity (and my encrypted Protonmail).

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You won't hear anything.   Admitting one way or the other reduces available defense in court.   Ask Theymos right now if the forum is his, or the community, he won't answer.   His words will be used against him.

That's true if law enforcement takes an interest in him (though it looks like so far they haven't and IMO probably won't), but he's obviously not concerned enough with self-incrimination, because he did post this:

*yawn*

Nobody cares dude. Get a life.

I did get a better understanding of what the issue is here from the recent posts I read, far more than I had previously.  The alphabet agencies would probably see the use of forum funds--which were donations--as a stumbling block to any kind of legal action, but who knows. 

I brought this up before: were any promises made to the donators as to the intended use of the donations?

[digaran]

I brought this up before: were any promises made to the donators as to the intended use of the donations?

Well, now since we are diving deeper in technicalities, we should ask this, will there be any stripers and private lap dances in a new forum, or were we supposed to get free lunch in there? What do we need here and don't have? If we have a functional forum, there is no need for a new one.  So if he loves the children and provides for them, forget about divorcing him.😉