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December 23, 2020, 08:17:14 PM
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I think that people must bet on what they think will happen whatever the ods...ods is a fully trapped thing and bookmakers are not really innocent  Grin
They know well how to trapp bettors and make them choise the wrong desision

Sometimes I don't really care what the odds is since there are sudden instance that the game phase changed and sudden miracle happens, that's why I always look up the rooster on each team if they are available to play when I am betting since lacking of 1 good contributor could really change a lot in the game if we talk about in sportsbook betting scene.

Knowing those kind of information would really be crucial rather than just directly make out some bets on a favored team without even knowing that there is a player
whom wont able to play because of some due reason but the common one is injury or some issues  which would really be a big problem that can heavily affect
your bet thats why always take up some consideration on checking everything before proceeding.

Tables would turn upside down specially if their main player wont really be playing.You cant just carelessly make out some bets without those considerations.

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December 24, 2020, 03:10:34 AM
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I think that people must bet on what they think will happen whatever the ods...ods is a fully trapped thing and bookmakers are not really innocent  Grin
They know well how to trapp bettors and make them choise the wrong desision

Sometimes I don't really care what the odds is since there are sudden instance that the game phase changed and sudden miracle happens, that's why I always look up the rooster on each team if they are available to play when I am betting since lacking of 1 good contributor could really change a lot in the game if we talk about in sportsbook betting scene.
depend on How much Odds given ,because if the game is too  close then odds will be lower and indicates the chances of reverse .

But if the Odds given is obviously advantageous then i think if your just betting small amount then consider the one.
I think that people must bet on what they think will happen whatever the ods...ods is a fully trapped thing and bookmakers are not really innocent  Grin
They know well how to trapp bettors and make them choise the wrong desision
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December 24, 2020, 03:18:52 AM
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I think that people must bet on what they think will happen whatever the ods...ods is a fully trapped thing and bookmakers are not really innocent  Grin
They know well how to trapp bettors and make them choise the wrong desision

Sometimes I don't really care what the odds is since there are sudden instance that the game phase changed and sudden miracle happens, that's why I always look up the rooster on each team if they are available to play when I am betting since lacking of 1 good contributor could really change a lot in the game if we talk about in sportsbook betting scene.

Knowing those kind of information would really be crucial rather than just directly make out some bets on a favored team without even knowing that there is a player
whom wont able to play because of some due reason but the common one is injury or some issues  which would really be a big problem that can heavily affect
your bet thats why always take up some consideration on checking everything before proceeding.

Tables would turn upside down specially if their main player wont really be playing.You cant just carelessly make out some bets without those considerations.

If you can have or collect as much data as possible, you will have more chances to select the right team to bet. Having the data could help you decide how much money you should use to bet, and you can think twice if placing a medium or high amount will be necessary or you should place on small money. It could give us other benefits, such as knowing what strategy we can implement based on the current situations for each team. Besides that, we will know which team has high odds of winning the match.

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December 24, 2020, 04:18:57 AM
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I think that people must bet on what they think will happen whatever the ods...ods is a fully trapped thing and bookmakers are not really innocent  Grin
They know well how to trapp bettors and make them choise the wrong desision

I agree with this approach. When the US presidential election was approaching, guts were saying Biden will win but many bookies showed 6x on Biden which made me think may be there was a chance bigly that Biden will lose. Odds depend on what majority of people think, and their "thoughts" have no value and if you do your own research and go with your guts, you will win bigly irrespective of the odds!
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December 24, 2020, 04:32:09 AM
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I think that people must bet on what they think will happen whatever the ods...ods is a fully trapped thing and bookmakers are not really innocent  Grin
They know well how to trapp bettors and make them choise the wrong desision

I agree with this approach. When the US presidential election was approaching, guts were saying Biden will win but many bookies showed 6x on Biden which made me think may be there was a chance bigly that Biden will lose. Odds depend on what majority of people think, and their "thoughts" have no value and if you do your own research and go with your guts, you will win bigly irrespective of the odds!

The real story here is we never know the outcome, we just bet based on what we think who will win, and since Biden was the favorites in the last election, that means a lot of people believe on him, however, if we consider the result of the past election where Trump won, the odds for him is high, means he is an underdog.

Here's the survey in 2016 election . https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

odd on 2016 election https://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment/us-presidential-odds-2016-futures

biggest odds for trump is "Trump   +2500" Cheesy

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December 24, 2020, 07:17:07 AM
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I think that people must bet on what they think will happen whatever the ods...ods is a fully trapped thing and bookmakers are not really innocent  Grin
They know well how to trapp bettors and make them choise the wrong desision

I agree with this approach. When the US presidential election was approaching, guts were saying Biden will win but many bookies showed 6x on Biden which made me think may be there was a chance bigly that Biden will lose. Odds depend on what majority of people think, and their "thoughts" have no value and if you do your own research and go with your guts, you will win bigly irrespective of the odds!

The real story here is we never know the outcome, we just bet based on what we think who will win, and since Biden was the favorites in the last election, that means a lot of people believe on him, however, if we consider the result of the past election where Trump won, the odds for him is high, means he is an underdog.

Here's the survey in 2016 election . https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

odd on 2016 election https://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment/us-presidential-odds-2016-futures

biggest odds for trump is "Trump   +2500" Cheesy


Well, 2016 election was a disaster for every one who said they are good at predictions so yeah, it might be because for that the odds were so high initially for a Biden win. But if it was a normal election (where Trump is running for first time) against Biden, I would probably have seen Trump winning having odds at 100x. So, 2016 election might have influenced the betting odds here. But yeah, after all anything can happen, that's why it's gambling Cheesy
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December 24, 2020, 09:00:38 AM
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I don't always rely on the odds, because bookmakers sometimes intentionally underestimate the success of the leader, or vice versa - overestimate the success of the loser... This is often seen in football...

Interesting.   This is part of the reason I think it's better for bettors to do their own research rather than completely trust given odds.
By the way, the bookmakers estimations/calculations may not be intentional... could be unintentional wrong calculations or estimations.
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December 24, 2020, 09:44:25 AM
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I don't always rely on the odds, because bookmakers sometimes intentionally underestimate the success of the leader, or vice versa - overestimate the success of the loser... This is often seen in football...

Interesting.   This is part of the reason I think it's better for bettors to do their own research rather than completely trust given odds.
By the way, the bookmakers estimations/calculations may not be intentional... could be unintentional wrong calculations or estimations.

Sometimes they'll mislead the bettors, they give an odds that one look we will believe it will give us an easy win, but most of the time it's the opposite that will happen, have experienced that many times so I learn myself not to trust on the odds easily, if you have experience you'll know that a trap happens in sports betting.

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December 24, 2020, 10:27:41 AM
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I try to exploit this discrepancy. (^^My today's bet isn't the best example. Sometimes the outcome odds for an event with the same probability can be above 7.00. That's when it's definitely worth a shot.)
Some people who to bet on unlikely outcomes, but I think it's too risky. I'm not into such bets yet, but maybe I'll try them one day.

Yes, it's risky, but taking this into account you can wager less money than on less risky bets. Why do I prefer such bets is because it is more rewarding psychologically when you win $6-$7 wagering just $1, compared to winning $1-$2 wagering $10.

Gambling shouldn't be a way of making money, right? Then why not choose the way of betting that is more entertaining? Smiley

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December 24, 2020, 11:57:05 AM
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If you can have or collect as much data as possible, you will have more chances to select the right team to bet. Having the data could help you decide how much money you should use to bet, and you can think twice if placing a medium or high amount will be necessary or you should place on small money. It could give us other benefits, such as knowing what strategy we can implement based on the current situations for each team. Besides that, we will know which team has high odds of winning the match.

No matter how much data you collect, you will not be able to compete in the accuracy of determining the odds with bookmakers - whole teams of professionals and even AI work for them. May be you able to understand some events better than them, but at a distance you will not be able to compete with them.

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December 24, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
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No matter how much data you collect, you will not be able to compete in the accuracy of determining the odds with bookmakers - whole teams of professionals and even AI work for them. May be you able to understand some events better than them, but at a distance you will not be able to compete with them.

I completely agree with you. The best sports analysts work for bookmakers and it is almost useless to compete with them because it is not only their main job but very often their favorite pastime. So if the outcome of the match differ from the odds bookmakers, it's an accident that happens very rarely.

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December 24, 2020, 01:02:17 PM
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So if the outcome of the match differ from the odds bookmakers, it's an accident that happens very rarely.

I'd like to hear more explanation on this as I can't really digest it in my mind. What do you mean by that mate?

AFAIK, oddsmaker only create odds, they don't predict the winner.
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December 24, 2020, 01:53:30 PM
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No matter how much data you collect, you will not be able to compete in the accuracy of determining the odds with bookmakers - whole teams of professionals and even AI work for them. May be you able to understand some events better than them, but at a distance you will not be able to compete with them.

I completely agree with you. The best sports analysts work for bookmakers and it is almost useless to compete with them because it is not only their main job but very often their favorite pastime. So if the outcome of the match differ from the odds bookmakers, it's an accident that happens very rarely.

That's not true! And if you are well-versed in certain events, you can sometimes spot deliberately false odds! Bookmakers make a lot of money on this! I've noticed this many times...So it is necessary to analyze the chances of teams and do not trust bookmakers!

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December 25, 2020, 01:45:47 AM
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If you can have or collect as much data as possible, you will have more chances to select the right team to bet. Having the data could help you decide how much money you should use to bet, and you can think twice if placing a medium or high amount will be necessary or you should place on small money. It could give us other benefits, such as knowing what strategy we can implement based on the current situations for each team. Besides that, we will know which team has high odds of winning the match.

No matter how much data you collect, you will not be able to compete in the accuracy of determining the odds with bookmakers - whole teams of professionals and even AI work for them. May be you able to understand some events better than them, but at a distance you will not be able to compete with them.

But I am sure that if we can collect valid data about the match, we will have a chance to win. I know that the bookmarkers will have the biggest chance of getting the money from the gamblers, but they can also lose the money, especially if some gamblers can win in different matches. We will need to have valid data and information about the team, and we know how much percentage for every team to win, so we can determine which team we can choose. And the rest, we can let it happen.

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December 25, 2020, 02:25:56 AM
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It's always good to view who a favourite team or competitor is (such as boxing) but I hadn't considered placing wagers on games or fixtures etc ending in a draw.

I'll have my own favourites (even when I know the opposition is probably going to win) but now I'll only use what the odds are when considering placing a bet on a draw especially when a Football match seems very evenly balanced.

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If the odds were something like this well I really think I should just rely on odds. It's rare to see such odds in my opinion but there's no assurance that it will always win it's still gambling after all.

Odds does matter and they are particularly more useful when you want to see who is the favorite team. The favorite team or the team which is winning mostly gets lower odds and the weaker teams gets the higher odds. This is mainly true for the sports betting.

At first, I was confused by this.

I thought that the higher the odds mean the ones with the higher chance of winning while those with lower odds mean that they have a lower chance of winning.

Same here.
The word (odd) in betting world can be quite confusing especially without understanding the general meaning of word. I guess the word is somewhat synonymous with:, unknown, uncertain, strange etc  So if the odd is high, the uncertainty or chances of winning is high. That how I simply see the word now . Haven't really properly researched why they use the word in betting.
Yes the word could be confusing in english but how could you think you'll get more money by betting on the favorite?
That's not logical. Otherwise everyone could easily earn money and bookmakers would be ruined.

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If you can have or collect as much data as possible, you will have more chances to select the right team to bet. Having the data could help you decide how much money you should use to bet, and you can think twice if placing a medium or high amount will be necessary or you should place on small money. It could give us other benefits, such as knowing what strategy we can implement based on the current situations for each team. Besides that, we will know which team has high odds of winning the match.

No matter how much data you collect, you will not be able to compete in the accuracy of determining the odds with bookmakers - whole teams of professionals and even AI work for them. May be you able to understand some events better than them, but at a distance you will not be able to compete with them.

But I am sure that if we can collect valid data about the match, we will have a chance to win. I know that the bookmarkers will have the biggest chance of getting the money from the gamblers, but they can also lose the money, especially if some gamblers can win in different matches. We will need to have valid data and information about the team, and we know how much percentage for every team to win, so we can determine which team we can choose. And the rest, we can let it happen.

I totally agree with you, that collect valid data about the match plays an important role in deciding which team we will choose for placing bets.
But most gamblers are lazy to do this and prefer choose their favorite team to place bets or rely on the odds. This is known by bookmarkers,
therefore many bookmarkers have finally managed to get money from gamblers.

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I totally agree with you, that collect valid data about the match plays an important role in deciding which team we will choose for placing bets.
But most gamblers are lazy to do this and prefer choose their favorite team to place bets or rely on the odds. This is known by bookmarkers,
therefore many bookmarkers have finally managed to get money from gamblers.

They do that to support their favorite team, and perhaps, they will not choose the other team, even if their favorite team is not too strong than the opponent team. Perhaps, they don't have much time to search for the other teams or select their favorite teams because they still believe and confident that their favorite team can win. But if they can collect valid data, that can be their consideration to choose the strong team to place a bet. But that will be up to them to search the other team or use their favorite team to bet.

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December 26, 2020, 06:17:43 AM
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I've recently created a discussion about the odds of various outcomes and the gaps between the likely winner and other options, but some replies raised another questions that I believe is worthy of being discussed. When placing bets on sports, I rely heavily on the odds, especially if someone has a very high probability of winning, like here:

I placed a small bet on this match on Sportsbet.io:

But of course when the odds are close to one another (2.5, 3.1 and similar), I try to rely on the history of matches between the teams and recent wins/losses of the teams.
What do you follow when you are betting on sports: is it the odds or your knowledge and experience? Or maybe you're one of those people who bet on the favorite team or perhaps follows a gut? Do odds even matter to you? If yes, how important are they for your final decision?

I always rely on those odds when I try to bet on something because there is a higher chance to win that choice though the prize was not that high since  mostly would bet on it. Having this odds serves as a guide on their previous betting history on how often they won the events. You can risk for lower odd chance if you want to risk for higher prize but lower chance to win.



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December 26, 2020, 06:23:48 AM
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I've recently created a discussion about the odds of various outcomes and the gaps between the likely winner and other options, but some replies raised another questions that I believe is worthy of being discussed. When placing bets on sports, I rely heavily on the odds, especially if someone has a very high probability of winning, like here:

I placed a small bet on this match on Sportsbet.io:

But of course when the odds are close to one another (2.5, 3.1 and similar), I try to rely on the history of matches between the teams and recent wins/losses of the teams.
What do you follow when you are betting on sports: is it the odds or your knowledge and experience? Or maybe you're one of those people who bet on the favorite team or perhaps follows a gut? Do odds even matter to you? If yes, how important are they for your final decision?

I always rely on those odds when I try to bet on something because there is a higher chance to win that choice though the prize was not that high since  mostly would bet on it. Having this odds serves as a guide on their previous betting history on how often they won the events. You can risk for lower odd chance if you want to risk for higher prize but lower chance to win.
all odds? what if the given is small ?will you still  rely? For me i would rather search my Own than to believe in lower odds.

There are many chance that this kind brings Losses to the odd takers.

But of course many gamblers are relying on this .

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