[Discussion & Betting] Eurovision Song Contest 2021

[Saint-loup]

Nobody has posted his Top15  

1)Italy
2)Malta
3)Switzerland
4)Ukraine
5)France
6)Iceland
7)Azerbaijan
8)Cyprus
9)Russia
10)Serbia
11)San Marino
12)Finland
13)Portugal
14)Lithuania
15)Greece

[LTU_btc]

Damn, completely forgot about it . Sorry if I'm late, but still, let's try just for fun.
1) Italy
2) Malta
3) Ukraine
4) France
5) Switzerland
6) Lithuania
7) Finland
8 ) Portugal
9) San Mrino
10) Bulgaria
11) Cyprus
12) Greece
13) Azerbaijan
14) Russia
15) Norway

[tyKiwanuka]

The final result for the competition:



Gratz @Saint-loup, please provide me a BTC address to send the prize to.


Happy for Italy My bets weren't that good I think

[LTU_btc]

Happy for Italy My bets weren't that good I think

I'm very happy for Italy too. Immediately after I saw their performance, I put kive bet on them to win @2.50.
Great to see rock song winning ESC first time since 2006. Not typical pop or boring ballade. Really didn't wanted to Switzerland or France to win - I already forgot how their songs sounds.
But how different is commission and public voting - it changed results completely.
And announcing public votes gave some awkward moments when UK, Spain, Germany and Netherlands got 0 points. UK got 0 points both from commission and public - well, their relationship with Eurovision is really complicated .

[Saint-loup]

The final result for the competition:



Gratz @Saint-loup, please provide me a BTC address to send the prize to.


Happy for Italy My bets weren't that good I think

LOL thank you very much tyKiwanuka but with only 2 contestants I don't think we can decently call that a contest. So I thank you very much but I suggest you to keep the prize and maybe if one day you have enough time, to organize a contest for another event with it, if you want.
Moreover I've earned some money with my bets.

ESC winner :
Italy @2.90, Malta @5.85

Jury vote winner :
Switzerland @5.05, Malta @3.90

Televote winner :
Italy @2.40, Ukraine @3.30

Top big 5 country :
Italy @2.25

Top Balkan country :
Serbia @2.75

Top Nordic country :
Iceland @1.85

Top 5 :
Italy @1.21
Switzerland @1.42
Ukraine @1.47
Malta @1.42

Top 10 :
Italy @1.11
France @1.05
Switzerland @1.05
Iceland @1.40
Ukraine @1.14
Malta @1.12
Cyprus @1.62
Azerbaijan @2.75
 

[Marvelman]

I'm a bit disappointed with this year's Eurosong.
I realize we differ in preferences, but I really thought France or Malta would win.

[tyKiwanuka]

So I thank you very much but I suggest you to keep the prize and maybe if one day you have enough time, to organize a contest for another event with it, if you want.

Nah, contest is contest and if only two users enter, that is not your problem. So, vite vite, give me BTC address - maybe you can do contest with it next year

And gratz for your bets.

[buwaytress]

Lost my outrights on Russia and Belgium. Actually surprised Belgium ended up pretty high despite lack of public votes and also thought Russia would finish higher but I guess I really don't know how people think.

Italy took everyone by surprise I guess. Recall an interview asking them why since metal hadn't won in over ten years and they said well, who knows?

Well done Saintloup. Sorry about France.

[Saint-loup]

So I thank you very much but I suggest you to keep the prize and maybe if one day you have enough time, to organize a contest for another event with it, if you want.

Nah, contest is contest and if only two users enter, that is not your problem. So, vite vite, give me BTC address - maybe you can do contest with it next year

And gratz for your bets.

ja ja schnell  
So as you want bro, I'll try to make a contest myself with your prize but I really want to avoid cheaters with multi-accounts and spammers who post in this section while not gambling in real life and not even liking it. So I don't know how I'll do that and I'll need some advice. If you have ideas tyKiwanuka don't hesitate.

bitcoin:bc1qr8r0n5gnqakkhctje3nlah43jjcz7rxv28jvrq (You can put the lowest fees available because I won't need them in the coming weeks)
Danke nochmal, Mann.

Edit: received  

[tyKiwanuka]

Sent, kein Problem mon ami

I would have a lot of ideas for contests, but as you anticipated, it's probably not worth it with how this section of the forum unfortunately is. Just save those BTC or invest in some good bets

[Saint-loup]

Thank you I will buy one gram of cocaine with it then.  
LOL I'm joking At least I will certainly have to manage a contest in the french section in few months, so I'll invite you.



https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210523-italian-eurovision-winner-to-take-drug-test

Some people in France are calling for the disqualification of Italy, to be able to win ESC in place of them. That's really shocking and shameful .
If it comes to be true Italy deserves a fine or a handicap for the next contest at most IMO, but we can't disqualify the winner of the competition for that.

[tyKiwanuka]

I think this whole discussion is really pathetic. It's not like Italy won because that guy maybe took some drugs, no, they had a really good song, great stage performance and a very charismatic band leader. This is just bad sportsmanship imo

I read on Wikipedia, that San Marino also filed a complaint, because there were some issues with the "rotating platform" during performance for jury

The results for SF1/2 are now available as well and lots of other stats:

SF1:

1) Malta
2) Ukraine
3) Russia

SF2:

1) Switzerland
2) Iceland
3) Bulgaria

Croatia missed the Final by just 5 points (Norway 115 points, Croatia 110), I think we all lost on that.

[babygun]

Lost my outrights on Russia and Belgium. Actually surprised Belgium ended up pretty high despite lack of public votes and also thought Russia would finish higher but I guess I really don't know how people think.

Italy took everyone by surprise I guess. Recall an interview asking them why since metal hadn't won in over ten years and they said well, who knows?

Well done Saintloup. Sorry about France.

I thought that France would win, she had the best performance but Italy put on a nice show and also deserved the win. Bookmakers also expected that Italy would win, so it wasn't such a big surprise. Biggest surprise for me was that Malta only ended 7th, I thought she would end in the top 4.

Placed a bet on Belgium top 10, just because I am from Belgium lol.

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And announcing public votes gave some awkward moments when UK, Spain, Germany and Netherlands got 0 points. UK got 0 points both from commission and public - well, their relationship with Eurovision is really complicated .

Lol, that was a funny moment. It is the second time in a row that UK ended with 0 points  .

[buwaytress]

I thought that France would win, she had the best performance but Italy put on a nice show and also deserved the win. Bookmakers also expected that Italy would win, so it wasn't such a big surprise. Biggest surprise for me was that Malta only ended 7th, I thought she would end in the top 4.

Placed a bet on Belgium top 10, just because I am from Belgium lol.

Ha yeah, a surprise but not a shock. I mean, they and Ukraine got the most popular votes, that was the real surprise for me. I thought all the kids were gunning for the cute Swiss and cute Frenchie.

So envious of you being Belgian (I love Hooverphonic, grew up with them in the late 1990s so obviously so happy Geike reunited).

Lol, that was a funny moment. It is the second time in a row that UK ended with 0 points  .

Haha yeah, though at least last time around, they DID get some points from SMS voting but actually got more points from jury, so this was the worst performance ever poor guy!

I was actually really really surprised four countries got 0 points from SMS voting. I seem to recall 1,000 votes = 1 points on the last time, did that change this time? Hard to believe not even 1,000 German kids abroad didn't vote.

I do feel bad for him seeing that UK guy man, no one deserves that really haha. But Eurovision is at least partly a popularity contest and you can't expect to be the uncool kid and get anything but sympathy (which he got in loads at the show itself haha).

[Saint-loup]

For the ESC organization(EBU) the case of Maneskin is now closed, a test voluntarily undertaken today by Damiano has returned negative, and all footages available have been checked by them. They now call these allegations "fake news".

Following allegations of drug use in the Green Room of the Eurovision Song Contest Grand Final on Saturday 22 May, the European Broadcasting Union (EBU), as requested by the Italian delegation, has conducted a thorough review of the facts, including checking all available footage. A drug test was also voluntarily undertaken earlier today by the lead singer of the band Måneskin which has returned a negative result seen by the EBU.

No drug use took place in the Green Room and we consider the matter closed.

We are alarmed that inaccurate speculation leading to fake news has overshadowed the spirit and the outcome of the event and unfairly affected the band.

We wish to congratulate Måneskin once again and wish them huge success. We look forward to working with our Italian member Rai on producing a spectacular Eurovision Song Contest in Italy next year.

https://eurovision.tv/mediacentre/release/ebu-statement-on-alleged-drug-use-at-eurovision-song-contest-2021

[LTU_btc]

Croatia missed the Final by just 5 points (Norway 115 points, Croatia 110), I think we all lost on that.

I think that if they would be in second semfinal, they would have reached final.

I was actually really really surprised four countries got 0 points from SMS voting. I seem to recall 1,000 votes = 1 points on the last time, did that change this time? Hard to believe not even 1,000 German kids abroad didn't vote.

I do feel bad for him seeing that UK guy man, no one deserves that really haha. But Eurovision is at least partly a popularity contest and you can't expect to be the uncool kid and get anything but sympathy (which he got in loads at the show itself haha).

I don't know exactly how they convert votes into points. But probably there is some changes needed, because now these moments looks a bit embarrasing and even announcers weren't feeling comfortable.

For the ESC organization(EBU) the case of Maneskin is now closed, a test voluntarily undertaken today by Damiano has returned negative, and all footages available have been checked by them. They now call these allegations "fake news".

I think it was obvious. It would just be so stupid to take drugs in front of all cameras and millions spectators in front of TV.
On the other hand, if test would be positive, do you think that ESC would publish it?

[Saint-loup]

Croatia missed the Final by just 5 points (Norway 115 points, Croatia 110), I think we all lost on that.

I think that if they would be in second semfinal, they would have reached final.

I was actually really really surprised four countries got 0 points from SMS voting. I seem to recall 1,000 votes = 1 points on the last time, did that change this time? Hard to believe not even 1,000 German kids abroad didn't vote.

I do feel bad for him seeing that UK guy man, no one deserves that really haha. But Eurovision is at least partly a popularity contest and you can't expect to be the uncool kid and get anything but sympathy (which he got in loads at the show itself haha).

I don't know exactly how they convert votes into points. But probably there is some changes needed, because now these moments looks a bit embarrasing and even announcers weren't feeling comfortable.

AFAIK each country ranks up contestants from the one having the most televotes to the one having the least televotes. And then gives 12 points to the first, 10 to the second, 8 to the third, 7 to the fourth and so on till 1 point. So only the 10 first countries can receive televote points. That means UK, Germany, Spain and Netherlands just didn't reach the 10 first places of televotes in any country, it doesn't mean nobody has voted for them. It's sad but that's not a shame, votes are not free so for the Grand Final people mostly vote for contestants being able to win the contest IMO.

For the ESC organization(EBU) the case of Maneskin is now closed, a test voluntarily undertaken today by Damiano has returned negative, and all footages available have been checked by them. They now call these allegations "fake news".

I think it was obvious. It would just be so stupid to take drugs in front of all cameras and millions spectators in front of TV.
On the other hand, if test would be positive, do you think that ESC would publish it?

I agree they certainly wouldn't publish it but they could take sanctions without saying anything about the test publicly, and they would certainly ask the Italian delegation to publish a statement admitting the fault.

[buwaytress]

AFAIK each country ranks up contestants from the one having the most televotes to the one having the least televotes. And then gives 12 points to the first, 10 to the second, 8 to the third, 7 to the fourth and so on till 1 point. So only the 10 first countries can receive televote points. That means UK, Germany, Spain and Netherlands just didn't reach the 10 first places of televotes in any country, it doesn't mean nobody has voted for them. It's sad but that's not a shame, votes are not free so for the Grand Final people mostly vote for contestants being able to win the contest IMO.

Actually it does seem that you're right after all. I can't remember how I thought that SMS voting was counter per thousand or something. It is possible I was misled by a 14-yr old child who was telling me everything in 2019 haha!

But yeah just checked, and televotes have the same weight was jury votes, each country tallies all the votes sent from its residents, and then the highest country voted gets 12 votes, next 10, and so on as you say.

I find it incredible there wasn't even sympathy votes for NL haha.

Still, poor UK, honestly =D

[Saint-loup]

I think this whole discussion is really pathetic. It's not like Italy won because that guy maybe took some drugs, no, they had a really good song, great stage performance and a very charismatic band leader. This is just bad sportsmanship imo

I read on Wikipedia, that San Marino also filed a complaint, because there were some issues with the "rotating platform" during performance for jury

The results for SF1/2 are now available as well and lots of other stats:

SF1:

1) Malta
2) Ukraine
3) Russia

SF2:

1) Switzerland
2) Iceland
3) Bulgaria

Croatia missed the Final by just 5 points (Norway 115 points, Croatia 110), I think we all lost on that.

It seems that Croatia got more televote points(53) than Sweden(51) or Belgium(47) so I think LTU_btc is right : if she had competed in the Semi-Final2 , she would certainly have managed to qualify.

Biggest surprise for me was that Malta only ended 7th, I thought she would end in the top 4.

Yes I agree as we can see in the post from tyKiwanuka she actually won the first Semi-Final and Ukraine(5th of the Grand Final) was behind her, but while she finished at the 2nd place of televotes in the Semi-Final1, she collapsed to the 14th place in the Grand Final   I don't know what happened