[POLL] Let’s say Trump did win the election...

[OgNasty]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic.  

I think it sets a pretty good precedent: If a president tries to stay in power after losing the election by organizing an event that ends up turning into basically a terrorist attack intended to keep him in power, on the capital, while congress is in session...that's an impeachable offense, and you shouldn't expect a free pass on impeachable offenses just because you're already on the way out the door.

Take Trump out of the equation and imagine it's AOC or Biden.  I don't think you're calling it petty then.

It’s petty no matter who is doing it. They’re making America look worse to try and get one last dig in despite the fact that it’s a meaningless gesture meant to embarrass someone and hurt their legacy. It’s shameful. Not saying Trump wouldn’t do the same nonsense if their positions were reversed, the dude is an asshole. It just goes to show how worthless these so called leaders are. I’ve long thought you’d get a better president randomly choosing someone out of the phone book. Maybe instead of focusing on trying to make America look worse, they could do their jobs and try to save the massive demolition of small businesses they’ve created by having absolutely no bravery in times of supposed crisis.

[TwitchySeal]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic.  

I think it sets a pretty good precedent: If a president tries to stay in power after losing the election by organizing an event that ends up turning into basically a terrorist attack intended to keep him in power, on the capital, while congress is in session...that's an impeachable offense, and you shouldn't expect a free pass on impeachable offenses just because you're already on the way out the door.

Take Trump out of the equation and imagine it's AOC or Biden.  I don't think you're calling it petty then.

It’s petty no matter who is doing it. They’re making America look worse to try and get one last dig in despite the fact that it’s a meaningless gesture meant to embarrass someone and hurt their legacy. It’s shameful. Not saying Trump wouldn’t do the same nonsense if their positions were reversed, the dude is an asshole. It just goes to show how worthless these so called leaders are. I’ve long thought you’d get a better president randomly choosing someone out of the phone book. Maybe instead of focusing on trying to make America look worse, they could do their jobs and try to save the massive demolition of small businesses they’ve created by having absolutely no bravery in times of supposed crisis.

Whether they impeach Trump, invoke the 25th, or do nothing, the way congress responds to this attack is not meaningless.  

It's also not an either or situation where the decision is either 'Impeach Trump' or 'save the massive demolition of small businesses they’ve created by having absolutely no bravery in times of supposed crisis' and they obviously aren't focusing on 'trying to make America look worse'.  It seems like you are letting your spite for democrats/loyalty to Trump prevent you from looking at the situation objectively.  It's not just Democrats calling for Trump to be ousted immediately.  I think the best case scenario right now for the country as a whole would be Trump resigning.

[PrimeNumber7]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic. 

There are some reports saying that Democrats might not send the impeachment 'papers' to the Senate until months after Biden is in office. I think this could result in a conviction as Trump will have much less influence on Republicans at that time, and Trump is sure to do more stupid things between now and then. Obviously impeaching Trump is only going to further divide the country, and isn't something that should be done.

[Gyfts]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic. 

There are some reports saying that Democrats might not send the impeachment 'papers' to the Senate until months after Biden is in office. I think this could result in a conviction as Trump will have much less influence on Republicans at that time, and Trump is sure to do more stupid things between now and then. Obviously impeaching Trump is only going to further divide the country, and isn't something that should be done.

Still a firm believer that D's will let up and put the theatrics to rest once they realize they have nothing to gain from Trump after he leaves office. They are not above beating a dead horse, but people forget real quick.

[OgNasty]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic.  

It does have a purpose, though. It prevents him running again in 2024.
Still, not sure it's a good idea, or what effect this will have on an already riled-up Trump fanbase. Actually, forget that, I am sure of the effect. Expect a gun-totin' outing to the Capitol.

Yes, this is the only reason to impeach him.  They are doing it out of fear that he would win an honest election in 2024.  Decisions based on fear are almost never the right one to make.  I'll say it again, America used to be the home of the brave, but we're being run by cowardly politicians now and it is being reflected in our daily lives.  Not just towards Trump, but towards everything.

[BADecker]

If the military believes Trump's election fraud proof - which they should, since the 305th Military Intelligence Battalion was part of the military that was obtaining the proof - the Dems and Reps who are part of the China coup to take over the USA economically rather than by formal war, should be very afraid. The Commies in our government need to be expelled. It might take Trump activating the State militias with US military backing.


Sources FRACTURE on outcome: Is Trump winning at unconventional warfare?

The CIA clowns who spread deliberate disinformation across the ‘net are doing an outstanding job of pushing noise and confusion. As a result, my sources are have now fractured into split realities, where in one reality Trump has given up and surrendered while in another reality Trump is about to achieve a decisive victory and astonish the world.

In today’s podcast, I discuss both arguments for what’s happening now, and I lay out details on how the US Secret Service tried to set up Alex Jones to be arrested on terrorism charges in D.C.

Most importantly, I discuss whether the troop expansion in DC is actually part of an unconventional warfare strategy being carried out by President Trump and Chris Miller, the Secretary of Defense. If Biden isn’t inaugurated on the 20th, the radical Left will stage an attempted color revolution siege of Washington D.C., but thanks to these maneuvers by Trump and Miller, there are 15,000 troops in place with the support of the Democrats and the media. Perhaps they are being played and don’t yet realize it.

Here are the two Whitehouse.gov documents mentioned in the podcast:

President Donald J. Trump Approves District of Columbia Emergency Declaration

Executive Order on Addressing the Threat from Securities Investments that Finance Communist Chinese Military Companies

Here’s what else I cover in today’s podcast:

*    The FBI is planning to run false flag operations at state capitol buildings in order to further demonize conservatives and set the stage for nationwide gun confiscation.
*    The real story of how US Secret Service tried to set up Alex Jones to be charged with terrorism on Jan 6th. But they failed and Jones averted the trap. (This is based in part on my private phone call with Alex Jones yesterday.)
*    There has been a coup in America, carried out by the globalists, the deep state and the CCP.
*    [more]

[PrimeNumber7]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic. 

There are some reports saying that Democrats might not send the impeachment 'papers' to the Senate until months after Biden is in office. I think this could result in a conviction as Trump will have much less influence on Republicans at that time, and Trump is sure to do more stupid things between now and then. Obviously impeaching Trump is only going to further divide the country, and isn't something that should be done.

Still a firm believer that D's will let up and put the theatrics to rest once they realize they have nothing to gain from Trump after he leaves office. They are not above beating a dead horse, but people forget real quick.

Democrats are pursuing impeachment at a time when Trump has no real power. The only thing Trump can do today is sign executive orders that will be quickly reversed upon Biden taking office.

McConnel is appearently in favor of impeachment because of how Trump acted after the election, and how Trump basically cost Republicans the Senate, possibly permanently. Unless Trump has zero Senate votes, the Senate cannot start an impeachment trial until January 19, but McConnel could schedule a vote immediately on the 19th, or on the 20th in the morning if he has the votes. This would prevent Trump from running in 2024, although it would not prevent him from causing trouble during the primaries and in the election, but without his social media platforms, he would have limited ability to communicate with his supporters.

[BADecker]

^^^ The only other thing Trump can do, has to do with if there truly was election fraud. But there may not have been any election fraud even though there was.

What do I mean? The people who set the election laws in place, might have allowed election law fraud. If fraud is legally allowed, it isn't really fraud any longer, and fraud is taken out of the question.

However, if this is not the case - that election fraud is allowed by election law - then the whole thing depends on whether or not Trump can prove election fraud. And being able to prove it opens up a whole gigantic batch of disruption throughout the whole country.

What do I mean? I mean that Trump might have overplayed his hand by putting into place the things that prove election fraud. How might this work? Consider Facebook. If Zuck and Facebook used forms of election fraud to overcome Trump, then election fraud might really be included with everybody who uses a Facebook account.

To say it plainly, somewhere along the line, the whole USA government has been lost to social communications relationships through the big social communications companies. The people of the USA are divided, but not people against people. Rather, they are divided each Facebook user with himself.

Consider a Facebook user who wants Trump to be President. But by his or her ties to Facebook, he/she also wants Facebook "government." But you can't easily have both, because their "platforms" are in opposition to each other. Which do they really want? Which are they really going to get?

Facebook and other social media support China. And China supports them. But Trump wants to make America great by taxing Chinese imports enough that jobs come back to America. China and Facebook won't accept or allow this if they can thwart it. But what will the individual people of America do? Even the people who want Trump to remain as President?

Will people be ready to give up their social media now that they see that it is a method that Communism is using to bring America into slavery? and that they can't have both, Trump as their leader, and social media as their leader?



Where do you stand? Do you stand for Trump and truth and freedom? Or do you stand for your social media that will make slaves of us all if we remain in it?

[Mauser]

Looks like the majority on the forum agree that Biden win. The same is likely the case for the average American. Sure there are some extremist in any country but they make up only a small fraction. In my opinion it would be best to just move on. Being president for 4 years is already a great achievement. Let's see how Biden will fix all this corona mess.

[Tash]

Election by County area size


Lets all fix all this corona mess
https://youtu.be/hIb58gNw0kw
Tedros, please stop I have stitches a real health issue
(If you need a stale party going just download)

[TwitchySeal]

Absolutely incredible the president basically just tried to overthrow the government and you guys are doing mental gymnastics to defend him, crying about him getting impeached for it and shrugging off the storming of the Capital.

Yes, this is the only reason to impeach him.  They are doing it out of fear that he would win an honest election in 2024.  Decisions based on fear are almost never the right one to make.  I'll say it again, America used to be the home of the brave, but we're being run by cowardly politicians now and it is being reflected in our daily lives.  Not just towards Trump, but towards everything.

Fear is a natural survival instinct, if you almost never made decisions based on fear you'd be dead by now.  

I think where you were going with this was the "They're afraid to face him in an election, so they want to impeach him instead", which was a logical argument during the last impeachment, but obviously not this one.

Democrats are pursuing impeachment at a time when Trump has no real power. The only thing Trump can do today is sign executive orders that will be quickly reversed upon Biden taking office.

I don't think Trump is hoping Biden has a successful first year as president?  There's plenty of things Trump could do besides EOs to make Biden (and the country), more likely to fail.  He's got the pardon power, control of the military, all the agencies who report to him, etc.

What is he willing to do? I don't know.  But there is a decent chance he squeezes in a few more unbelievably stupid scandals that does serious damage to the Nation in the next week or so, especially if he feels cornered.

[Vod]

Where do you stand? Do you stand for Trump and truth and freedom? Or do you stand for your social media that will make slaves of us all if we remain in it?

I thought you were just a christian troll, but I guess it makes sense you are a white supremacist as well.  :/  Remember:  God created white men and women.   The only reason "colored" people exist is because their ancestors came from the three sons of Adam and Eve, really fucking up their DNA.

 

I have a serious question.  Trump has stated he will not attend the inauguration.  Is the US capitol just preparing for riots, or are they also prepared for organized militia with artillery or even primitive missiles?  They don't need to occupy - just kill.

Canada is worried.  This focus on domestic enemies also weakens our observation of foreign enemies.

[squatz1]

Where do you stand? Do you stand for Trump and truth and freedom? Or do you stand for your social media that will make slaves of us all if we remain in it?

I thought you were just a christian troll, but I guess it makes sense you are a white supremacist as well.  :/  Remember:  God created white men and women.   The only reason "colored" people exist is because their ancestors came from the three sons of Adam and Eve, really fucking up their DNA.

 

I have a serious question.  Trump has stated he will not attend the inauguration.  Is the US capitol just preparing for riots, or are they also prepared for organized militia with artillery or even primitive missiles?  They don't need to occupy - just kill.

Canada is worried.  This focus on domestic enemies also weakens our observation of foreign enemies.

Pretty sure they’re prepared for some degree of riots, the National Guard is already in the Capitol and extensive new security measures have been put in place to ensure that everyone over there is safe and we do not have a repeat of what happened last week.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-inauguration-latest-national-special-security-event-begins-white-house-perimeter-planned/2540370/

FBI is saying (in the above article) that they’re expecting violence in the days leading up to and on the day of the inauguration of Biden. Though we’re expecting more and more police / military presence to ensure that everyone is as safe as possible.

Trumps tone in the recent days is probably helping some of his supporters, as he is calling for a peaceful transition of power at this point. Though I’m not sure what the crazy conspiracy theory supporters think.

[OgNasty]

Trumps tone in the recent days is probably helping some of his supporters, as he is calling for a peaceful transition of power at this point. Though I’m not sure what the crazy conspiracy theory supporters think.

After he saw that they'd let a few nuts and reporters run rampant with government property for a photo opp and to play the victim, I think Trump realizes he has to be overly cautious.  Imagine thinking America could be "invaded" by the person posing for pictures with Nancy's podium.  The lives lost that day are on the hands of whoever decided to let a group of old men and reporters storm government buildings for media attention.  There's no way any of that happens without a decision from someone tasked for security letting it happen.

[Tash]

Nancy in tears now
https://web.archive.org/web/20210116055041/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/pelosi-tears-capitol-congress-prosecute-b1788043.html

Biden will never be President, he will be to chicken to enter has already canceled rehearsal.
He is known to be a sellout, he will do it again and again

[BADecker]

Nancy in tears now
https://web.archive.org/web/20210116055041/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/pelosi-tears-capitol-congress-prosecute-b1788043.html

Biden will never be President, he will be to chicken to enter has already canceled rehearsal.
He is known to be a sellout, he will do it again and again

Notice at the site, how Pelosi continues to shoot firebrands against Trump supporters, even as she is taken down.

[nullius]

Accepting the Biden presidency means embracing a tinpot dictatorship in which sham elections are enforced through massive censorship, and by criminalizing anyone who objects as a “domestic terrorist” who is “inciting insurrection”.

Protip:  When examining the legitimacy of an election is declared to be “insurrection”, “sedition”, and otherwise “criminal”, you are living under a thinly-veiled dictatorship, period.  Whereas what Big Tech, the mass-media, and Democrat politicians now declare, they definitely desire to enforce with actual criminal laws if and when they can.

Anyone who cannot see that is foolish, corrupt, and/or blinded by hatred of Trump.

It is so easy for you Americans to see when a corrupt régime in another country rams through a sham election and represses the opposition; indeed, you Americans tend to make a stock accusation of sham elections against any régime that you dislike, even when there is no evidence of that.  Look in the mirror.  The 2020 U.S. presidential election is a farce!


For the record:  I have hereto been circumspect in what I think about the legitimacy of the election, for two reasons.

The minor reason was that I had wagered on the election, and I did not want to present any false impression of trying to wiggle out of my obligations.  Since I paid the bet according to its terms as soon as Trump declared his support for a transition to Biden, that is no longer a concern.  Regardless of whether Trump legitimately won the election, I legitimately lost my charity bet with theymos in the exact moment that Trump publicly, unequivocally accepted a Biden presidency (as he did in practice, if not in principle).  And I am pleased to have supported the NCLA.

The major reason was that I lacked sufficient information to form a strong opinion.  It is an open secret that American elections are oftentimes wracked with ballot fraud, and that the Democrats are the ones who do that.  Hereby, there was significant evidence of fraud in several key states.  But that does not automatically equate to a conclusion that Trump really won.  I was particularly skeptical of Trump’s claim that he won a “landslide” victory.

Before the election, my expectation was that the results rested on a knife’s edge.  A small to moderate amount of ballot fraud could simply mean that Trump should have suffered a narrow E.C. loss, instead of a big E.C. loss.  For example, suppose that he really won in Pennsylvania and Georgia, but not in any of the other states that had plausible objections.  That would mean that, barring faithless electors, he would have lost in the E.C. by 270–268, instead of by 306–232.

On the other hand, suppose that he really won in Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Wisconsin, but not in the other contested states.  That would give him a relatively narrow 273–265 victory, not a “landslide” victory (at least insofar as the E.C. is concerned).  And if he had won in Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Nevada (but not the others), then the result would have been a 269–269 E.C. tie with nobody reaching 270, thus invoking the first Twelfth Amendment contingent election since 1825.

(The foregoing examples are picked to give hypothetical close-call numbers, not as a statement about the strength or weakness of the evidence of fraud in any particular state.  —Not by inclusion, and not by omission.)

By its nature, ballot fraud is difficult to quantify reliably—even for someone in an authoritative position to investigate, which I myself am not.  Indeed, in the past few months’ atmosphere, it has been altogether difficult for me to find information that meets my own standards for reliability.  The only conclusion that I could reach was:  This looks bad.  Biden’s legitimacy is weak and questionable, at best.  But I do not know if Trump really should have won.

Whereas now, the Left’s repressive tactics and wild false accusations suffice for me to presume conclusively that the election was stolen, and they know it.  Only corrupt régimes running sham elections use such means to force people to accept the results, against massive opposition and significant evidence that something is really wrong.  They doth protest too much, methinks!

For example, see the aptly-named Fetterman ordering people to shut up and accept their fetters:



^^^ Translation:  “Pennsylvania was stolen, and I need to cover it up by repudiating the whole concept of the freedom of speech.”  Examples of this abound...

[Tash]

Trump be sworn in March 4 as the 19th President (The act of 1871)
https://youtu.be/0TVoLVrDIH8

[TwitchySeal]

Trump be sworn in March 4 as the 19th President (The act of 1871)
https://youtu.be/0TVoLVrDIH8

This alternate Universe is really starting to take shape.  Just pretending reality isn't happening because you didn't want something to happen that did seems like a great way to live a healthy happy life.

When he's sworn in on March 4 as 19th president, will he still be 45th president in this Universe?  Or are we abandoning the "Biden is too chicken to ever be President" theory.

[suchmoon]

Trump be sworn in March 4 as the 19th President (The act of 1871)

Excellent. Now all we need is a time machine to send all nutjobs back to 1871 along with Trump.