Have you ever proven fairness of games?

[swogerino]

I have somewhat of a different view of this.I believe a provider when after playing one or more of their slots I have been able to hit their biggest payline like that 5000-10000x win.I only trust Play n Go provider as only here I have experienced that 5000x my bet win and I think there is no manipulation on the slots I used.I have played many other providers but haven’t been that lucky to reach a biggest win payout so my trust in other providers is not the same.

Ps:I am in no way affiliated with Play n Go or any other slot provider just sharing my story and point of view for the matter.

[Alucard1]

I don't have so many experiences with different gambling site but to know if the gambling site has proven fairness then you must try it first, if two sportsbooks have the same game then play both games and by that, you may see if there is a fairness in the website, I have tried betfury and for me, it has fairness in a game which makes me trust them and keep on playing on it.

[rodskee]

If we do not want to get a scam or worst thing, we can select the recommended and trusty site to gamble, so we do not have to check the site.

Any Idea how to Find those Recommended and Trusty gambling sites ? where to check those ?

That will help us minimize our time to check the fairness of games because the site will not cheat the member site.

Pardon ?the site will not cheat the member ? which site are these ?

But we can check the site that we used to gamble if we want to make sure that the site is not doing something suspicious.

Looks Like i can't find the reason on your post here ? The one that you quoted has told us to check each site but you propose to have sites that trusted.

If we already found one or more gambling sites that are fair, we do not have to move on to the other website because that can make us feel uncomfortable playing gambling.

Loyalty is one best way , like what we have wearing now but sorry I don't understand your Views here.

[actmyname]

That will help us minimize our time to check the fairness of games because the site will not cheat the member site.

Pardon ?the site will not cheat the member ? which site are these ?

If we already found one or more gambling sites that are fair, we do not have to move on to the other website because that can make us feel uncomfortable playing gambling.

Loyalty is one best way , like what we have wearing now but sorry I don't understand your Views here.

Considering you're advertising a casino that has some form of provably fair generation, I would suggest that you look into what you're actually advertising.

The "proven fairness" in the title is mathematical. You effectively show the player that you are creating random results with the combination of the two seeds given by player and server, along with the unchangeable nonce increments. It would be highly unlikely for a collision to occur where one side knows the future bet outcomes (though still theoretically possible).

_{Of course, none of it matters if they casino is going to block withdrawals in some form. Make sure the ToS doesn't have some stupid shit, first.}

[iTradeChips]

For me, there is really no fool proof way to find out the fairness of games. Of course, most of us have experienced going to websites that offers a "provably fair" gambling whenever they encounter one and it is for them to try these games. Maybe also most of us have experienced nothing peculiar and went along until either we win or we lose in these games. But also we don't shrug off the fact that in some occasions there are gambling places and websites that might be rigging their games so that they can prevent players to win, but that takes a lot of guts to confront then with evidence of tampering, of course.

[Wawa2013]

As long as we choose the gambling platforms correctly, there is no need to prove the gambling site is fair or not. Because for me who is very
selective in choosing gambling platforms, always choose gambling platforms that have positive reviews, have a license, and most importantly
always actively promote. With these three criteria, it makes me sure that the gambling platforms I choose are fair.

[adzino]

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I only think that if I prove fairness, that can consume my time instead of playing gambling in my free time. And I will end my time just to prove fairness without enjoying the games. That is not what I want in my free time.

Checking if your bets gave the right result is not a time consuming activity. It takes like seconds I guess. Most of the casino will have a short and easy to understand tutorial which you can follow and verify your bet results. They allow you to do so directly through the casino and also by using any third party sites.

Why should I prove the fairness of games? I trust the casino will not cheat other members or me. As long as you play gambling on a reputable casino with a good reputation, you don't have to prove fairness. But you can try to prove fairness if you want to make sure that the casino is really not cheating on their members.

Some user when they lose can't accept the fact that they lost everything. So its not about the reputation of the casino, its more about psychological peace. Some people even take it as a last hope to get back their money by trying to prove that the casino is rigged (even though it isn't).

[jademaxsuy]

Yes, but not in casino platform. I had been observing that most likely casino platform are not really fair in their games house edge has great percentage of winning compare to other betting like sports betting would be better but it takes to know the result after the game ends in which you will unlikely to wait to know the result after the game. Anyway, there are other style of betting now like predicting game to play and bet. This is a new craze and it ia also good for I have tried and earn to it.

[Lakai01]

I had been observing that most likely casino platform are not really fair in their games house edge has great percentage of winning compare to other betting like sports betting ...
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Which casinos are you talking about? Online Crypto Casinos like bustadice have usually a very low house edge:

What is the house edge?
The house edge is 1 %.

Source

In my opinion, this is far from unfair. The casinos have to be able to make a profit, otherwise they would have to close faster than we would like.

With offline casinos, it very much depends on what game you are playing. Some games like blackjack have a very low house edge of 1.5%.

[fiulpro]

The live events , the sports events , elections and things like that , these are the ones where you can indeed think about playing a fair game but when it comes to sites saying how fair the games are. The more complicated a game is , the more are the chances that you might be getting duped.
That is indeed why one has to go for good sites which are well known and established because they don't really get in these unfair practices.
It doesn't matter what they say : The fairness depends on the site itself. Choose wisely .
Rest remember that the more complicated the game is , lower are the chances of us proving it's fairness.

Well I don't think house edge and fairness go hand in hand though. Fairness depends on how untainted ...a game is. House edge is fairly listed so if you don't want to give 1% then go to some other site. There are plenty out there.

[harizen]

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Not necessary as long as the site passes my own set of "criteria". For popular ones, no need to do such checking or verifying.

And besides, with lots of gamblers around that have some knowledge about verifying the bets "deeply", I doubt these sites, especially the longer in service, will cheat their own system.

Bottom line, it's more of simply trusting the site instead of verifying the fairness side.

[khaled0111]

It's not only about verifying the fairness of games but also about knowing how provably fair systems work and if they do really produce results that can't be predicted by the casino. Some systems are flawed (intentionally) so make sure you fully understand how numbers are being generated.
Personally, I don't even trust the tools provided by casinos to check the fairness but I use third party tools.

[crzy]

That’s a lot of work to do and its not just about a simple game since you have to crack down the codes so I din’t mind proving this one and leave this fairness to the pro gamblers and I’m sure someone will do it. I do gamble on a reputable gambling site, they work fine and many are confident about their fairness.

[ReiMomo]

It's not only about verifying the fairness of games but also about knowing how provably fair systems work and if they do really produce results that can't be predicted by the casino. Some systems are flawed (intentionally) so make sure you fully understand how numbers are being generated.
Personally, I don't even trust the tools provided by casinos to check the fairness but I use third party tools.

Exactly and I agree. It should be an accurate result if they give a hash to verify how the provably fair system work. Most likely the generating result should be exact and you check the gambling site once after that I am sure you will never do that again. Regarding the tools provided by the gambling site, don't use them on their own site because there is a possibility that it could be manipulated by them without knowing us. However, gambling is a form of entertainment not a source of income, don't take it seriously.

[Yamifoud]

That’s a lot of work to do and its not just about a simple game since you have to crack down the codes so I din’t mind proving this one and leave this fairness to the pro gamblers and I’m sure someone will do it. I do gamble on a reputable gambling site, they work fine and many are confident about their fairness.

Aside from having an experience with the site, we also have to check the credibility of the site, of course, the feedback of the players is very helpful tips to know if the site is fair to their players.
The gambling industry is increasing its numbers and so the gamblers as well. It could a part of their propaganda to have such fairness is able to attract players and for sure they have to do it otherwise, they'll get nothing.

[RealMalatesta]

I don't have so many experiences with different gambling site but to know if the gambling site has proven fairness then you must try it first, if two sportsbooks have the same game then play both games and by that, you may see if there is a fairness in the website, I have tried betfury and for me, it has fairness in a game which makes me trust them and keep on playing on it.

Sportsbook are NOT provably fair man that is quite obvious so not sure what you mean by that but yeah I agree and have played at betfury and they are indeed very eye catchy and games are fair.

Verifying your bets is an essential part of crypto gambling and I am not asking or recommending to verify every bet but at least verify a few bets every time you make 100-200 bets randomly because that ensures that if something fishy was going on, it would be visible clearly.

That said, I don't verify many bets myself because I trust these casinos I play at and the bet size is usually small because I chase high multipliers.

[Mauser]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

When I started out with gambling and lost a few games in a row I actually went and checked the games for fairness. But it didn't change anything, the games were fair and I still lost my money. After playing in online casinos for a long time now I kind of stopped checking the fairness of games.

[traderethereum]

If we do not want to get a scam or worst thing, we can select the recommended and trusty site to gamble, so we do not have to check the site.

Any Idea how to Find those Recommended and Trusty gambling sites ? where to check those ?

You really do not know how to find those recommended and trusty gambling sites? That sounds does not make sense
You can try Duelbits (as you wear the code ), fortunejack, bitvest, 777coin, yolodice, roobet, betcoin.ag, bustadice, blackjack.fun, stake, sportsbet.io, cryptogames, playbetr, and many more. I do not need to check all of those sites because I believe those sites are recommended and trusty gambling sites. All of the sites have their own reputations, and you can select one of those sites or all of them.

That will help us minimize our time to check the fairness of games because the site will not cheat the member site.

Pardon ?the site will not cheat the member ? which site are these ?

I do not know which site cheat the member because I do not play on the unknown gambling site. If there are many good reviews from the members about the site, that means a lot for me. But I do not know how you choose the site because we have a different method to determine the site.

But we can check the site that we used to gamble if we want to make sure that the site is not doing something suspicious.

Looks Like i can't find the reason on your post here ? The one that you quoted has told us to check each site but you propose to have sites that trusted.

From that list I gave you, you can check one by one of the sites to find if the site cheats the members or not.

If we already found one or more gambling sites that are fair, we do not have to move on to the other website because that can make us feel uncomfortable playing gambling.

Loyalty is one best way , like what we have wearing now but sorry I don't understand your Views here.

Let assume you trust duelbits. You play on that site, and you do not have any problem with that site. Sooner and later, you trust the site, making you do not want to move to the other site.

[arwin100]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

When playing for the first time you should check the fairness of the game, gambling sites are offering a link or a way to check if the are indeed provably fair, and once the gambling site has established their fairness, you can continue playing and just do random checking if they maintain their provably fair feature, that's every gambler's concern and they should check it from time to time.

Before checking first the fairness you should check the reputation of the casino who you wish to play since if you go on small or new casino for sure the fairness is questionable and the casino state is so risky to play, compare to reputable casino where we can rely on them and their games are tester by the other gamblers, also they have reputation to protect that's why they make sure to provide a fair games to their costumers.

[ralle14]

I had been observing that most likely casino platform are not really fair in their games house edge has great percentage of winning compare to other betting like sports betting ...
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Which casinos are you talking about?

I think he's referring to casinos that offer several games from the third party providers since those games usually have a big house edge ranging from 2% to 5%.

That’s a lot of work to do and its not just about a simple game since you have to crack down the codes so I din’t mind proving this one and leave this fairness to the pro gamblers and I’m sure someone will do it. I do gamble on a reputable gambling site, they work fine and many are confident about their fairness.

Checking the fairness doesn't require that much work since most of the sites have a step by step on how to verify your bets.