Have you ever proven fairness of games?

[AdamovichG]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

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[gadado]

The best you can do is play at a site that has professional gambling games from a provider such as Netent. There are plenty of large sites on the forum that offer that. Then you know for sure that you play fair games.

[AdamovichG]

The best you can do is play at a site that has professional gambling games from a provider such as Netent. There are plenty of large sites on the forum that offer that. Then you know for sure that you play fair games.

But that's the thing, you can't actually know you're playing fair games just by going to such a casino. Not that I have anything against Netent or other providers. I'm not saying their games aren't fair either, but the fact is that you can't know, you can only trust their word. That's the whole idea behind provably fair games, to get around that.

[Rodeo02]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Why not try to play in different gambling sites and check it on your self how provably fair they are . they can claim to be provably fair and with low house edge but you cannot prove it unless you ever tried to play on them.
If you will play in long run of course you will lost but shortime playing into the casino is enough proof for you to decide if they are fair or not.

[BitcoinAccepted]

I don't think big companies like Netent are cheating on their games. There will be supervision on that. Nor is there any interest for a provider to manipulate games.

You can assume that this is reliable. I have my doubts about other games, but they are simple games put together myself.

One thing is for sure that you can never find out for yourself whether it is all reliable with your own measuring points.

You can't judge it based on statistics yet, as you might just be lucky or unlucky.

[iv4n]

And why would we do that? By that "we" I mean people who like to gamble, have fun, have some basic knowledge about "how it works".. most of us aren't "technically equipped" to prove anything, it's for people with who "know things" (math, programming...).
After all there're people who can do that for us, people who are in the bus! The best example from this forum is BTCGosu. I am sure you can there're other trusted ones, but this one is from here, and you can check their thread, you can talk with people behind... when you see for yourself what they do, their experience and honesty, I believe you will trust their judgment about the fairness of crypto casinos around!
Good luck!

[AdamovichG]

And why would we do that? By that "we" I mean people who like to gamble, have fun, have some basic knowledge about "how it works".. most of us aren't "technically equipped" to prove anything, it's for people with who "know things" (math, programming...).
After all there're people who can do that for us, people who are in the bus! The best example from this forum is BTCGosu. I am sure you can there're other trusted ones, but this one is from here, and you can check their thread, you can talk with people behind... when you see for yourself what they do, their experience and honesty, I believe you will trust their judgment about the fairness of crypto casinos around!
Good luck!

That's true, you don't have to. I just want to know if any of you do.

[Casdinyard]

I think it would be hard to determine whether the game is fair or not. In gambling, there will be times that you will continuously win and same thing with the other way around. This I think what makes gambling, "gambling". There's no assurance of the outcome right? We just cannot manipulate games to be in favor of our fortune. But there are games which are not fair and I think that's another story; Games wherein many people are losing continuously. In this instance you will only know how things are happening if there will be a discussion about such game to know or determine if it is being fair which will be hard in a way that not all gamblers will be initiating such topic since there is a common idea that you won't win most of the time in gambling not knowing that results are already being manipulated by the House. Cases are rare I think, but I've heard this story from a friend of mine.

[akirasendo17]

there is no such thing as fair game, every time two different person meets there is one who have always the upper hand for example when manny fights Mayweather this is just an example guys okay, manny have to use what Mayweather gloves want's, in that Mayweather gets the advantages, in card game? the banker has the upper hand, in basketball LBJ will always have an advantage over Curry.

[iv4n]

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That's true, you don't have to. I just want to know if any of you do.

You can use BTCGosu verifer: https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/. And yes, I did that for the contest from two weeks ago! We had to hit some numbers, to verify them (with seed and everything) and to post it in the topic... I think 7-8 casinos were included in the contest!
Beside that no, and again why would we!? I am telling you when some professionals check it, it's checked! We simply don't have knowledge to do what they can...

[AmoreJaz]

I think it would be hard to determine whether the game is fair or not. In gambling, there will be times that you will continuously win and same thing with the other way around. This I think what makes gambling, "gambling". There's no assurance of the outcome right? We just cannot manipulate games to be in favor of our fortune. But there are games which are not fair and I think that's another story; Games wherein many people are losing continuously. In this instance you will only know how things are happening if there will be a discussion about such game to know or determine if it is being fair which will be hard in a way that not all gamblers will be initiating such topic since there is a common idea that you won't win most of the time in gambling not knowing that results are already being manipulated by the House. Cases are rare I think, but I've heard this story from a friend of mine.

actually there are a lot of games that you can't use the provably fairness tool. you are just relying that the site is doing the right thing. but to have your mind at ease in playing in one of these casinos, better play in the trusted and established casinos. because if they are having dirty tactics, one way or another, a player should have raised that already. also, not many players are really checking the provably fairness of the casino. but if the casino is new and unfamiliar, that's when people are trying to check the the provable fairness of their games.

[carlfebz2]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

You can actually verify those games if they are indeed fair using via 3rd party source like in btcgosu : https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

This had been this place on where i do make out some verification when i do have doubts about my bet.It do list out a handful number of known casinos as well.

Its just normal for us players to be in doubt towards our plays but majority is just too confident when they do saw that the site theyve been dealing does have lots of players
on where they do presume out that theyre dealing with the right site.

[alegotardo]

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Well... I remember having already checked some bets on the website's "validator" itself.
Despite knowing that there are independent sites that do this, I never checked my bets outside the site itself.

I just look for gambling that already have a good reputation and that I believe are reliable. Reputation is something very important and a site would hardly risk losing it.

[Text]

To answer your question, Yes.  Previously, when I was still fond of playing dice games on Bitsler I proved it was fair with the help of @webtricks.  Almost all casinos that have provably fair games have a built-in verifier to ensure that I am not cheated or deceived.  There are also instructions on how to do this.

[webtricks]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Good question. I feel happy to see such threads. Although people argue that gambling is for fun and all but you won't want to have fun at the place which willingly not letting you win. So in my opinion, every player should understand how Provably Fair system works, set his seeds himself and occassionally verify some of his bets as well.

I have been writing few threads on Provably Fair lately but I think this is my best article explaining the system: https://www.btcgosu.com/provably-fair/. If you want you can give it a read sometimes.

Also, I see that few members already gave you the Verifier link above, you can use the verifier and prove the fairness of bets. Currently, it's supporting 26 casinos as we speak. You can suggest more casinos if you would like to get them added in the tool by writing your suggestion in this thread: BTCGosu Thread.

Also, let me know if you got any doubt regarding Provably Fair, I would be happy to help in this thread.

PS: Thank you @Text for mentioning me due to which I noticed the thread.

[longlivecapitalism]

I admit I've never done such a thing. However, when I join a gambling site, I always do my research beforehand and check reviews and what the word is from other users and what the complaints from former users are. So, if there is a game that states that it's provably fair and it doesn't, there is a strong possibility that I'll hear about it.

[maydna]

Why should I prove the fairness of games? I trust the casino will not cheat other members or me. As long as you play gambling on a reputable casino with a good reputation, you don't have to prove fairness. But you can try to prove fairness if you want to make sure that the casino is really not cheating on their members.

I only think that if I prove fairness, that can consume my time instead of playing gambling in my free time. And I will end my time just to prove fairness without enjoying the games. That is not what I want in my free time.

[sunsilk]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Thanks to this forum as it shares what are the reputable casinos that have proven its trust in the crypto gambling community for a long time. Been tested by technical gamblers who can assess and check the fairness of the casino.

And it is easier for non tech people to validate trust through forum's feedback system. You'll see realness and genuineness of a casiono with their games. You are also free to ask about their licenses and can collectively have reviews about them.

[kkaroul4]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

For those who already earned reputation casinos of course I don't even verify it but for new casinos there's in need of checking it. Also if I remember there's a third party website that checks or verifies bet of some known casino here's the link https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

[qory]

Most of the time I didn't confirm whether my game is fair or not even though there's some ways to verify it such as instruction on their website on how it can be proven. Currently I'm more into sports betting which can't be proven if it's fair. It's either real game or rigged one.