Have you ever proven fairness of games?

[AdamovichG]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

[gadado]

The best you can do is play at a site that has professional gambling games from a provider such as Netent. There are plenty of large sites on the forum that offer that. Then you know for sure that you play fair games.

[AdamovichG]

The best you can do is play at a site that has professional gambling games from a provider such as Netent. There are plenty of large sites on the forum that offer that. Then you know for sure that you play fair games.

But that's the thing, you can't actually know you're playing fair games just by going to such a casino. Not that I have anything against Netent or other providers. I'm not saying their games aren't fair either, but the fact is that you can't know, you can only trust their word. That's the whole idea behind provably fair games, to get around that.

[Rodeo02]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Why not try to play in different gambling sites and check it on your self how provably fair they are . they can claim to be provably fair and with low house edge but you cannot prove it unless you ever tried to play on them.
If you will play in long run of course you will lost but shortime playing into the casino is enough proof for you to decide if they are fair or not.

[BitcoinAccepted]

I don't think big companies like Netent are cheating on their games. There will be supervision on that. Nor is there any interest for a provider to manipulate games.

You can assume that this is reliable. I have my doubts about other games, but they are simple games put together myself.

One thing is for sure that you can never find out for yourself whether it is all reliable with your own measuring points.

You can't judge it based on statistics yet, as you might just be lucky or unlucky.

[iv4n]

And why would we do that? By that "we" I mean people who like to gamble, have fun, have some basic knowledge about "how it works".. most of us aren't "technically equipped" to prove anything, it's for people with who "know things" (math, programming...).
After all there're people who can do that for us, people who are in the bus! The best example from this forum is BTCGosu. I am sure you can there're other trusted ones, but this one is from here, and you can check their thread, you can talk with people behind... when you see for yourself what they do, their experience and honesty, I believe you will trust their judgment about the fairness of crypto casinos around!
Good luck!

[AdamovichG]

And why would we do that? By that "we" I mean people who like to gamble, have fun, have some basic knowledge about "how it works".. most of us aren't "technically equipped" to prove anything, it's for people with who "know things" (math, programming...).
After all there're people who can do that for us, people who are in the bus! The best example from this forum is BTCGosu. I am sure you can there're other trusted ones, but this one is from here, and you can check their thread, you can talk with people behind... when you see for yourself what they do, their experience and honesty, I believe you will trust their judgment about the fairness of crypto casinos around!
Good luck!

That's true, you don't have to. I just want to know if any of you do.

[Casdinyard]

I think it would be hard to determine whether the game is fair or not. In gambling, there will be times that you will continuously win and same thing with the other way around. This I think what makes gambling, "gambling". There's no assurance of the outcome right? We just cannot manipulate games to be in favor of our fortune. But there are games which are not fair and I think that's another story; Games wherein many people are losing continuously. In this instance you will only know how things are happening if there will be a discussion about such game to know or determine if it is being fair which will be hard in a way that not all gamblers will be initiating such topic since there is a common idea that you won't win most of the time in gambling not knowing that results are already being manipulated by the House. Cases are rare I think, but I've heard this story from a friend of mine.

[akirasendo17]

there is no such thing as fair game, every time two different person meets there is one who have always the upper hand for example when manny fights Mayweather this is just an example guys okay, manny have to use what Mayweather gloves want's, in that Mayweather gets the advantages, in card game? the banker has the upper hand, in basketball LBJ will always have an advantage over Curry.

[iv4n]

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That's true, you don't have to. I just want to know if any of you do.

You can use BTCGosu verifer: https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/. And yes, I did that for the contest from two weeks ago! We had to hit some numbers, to verify them (with seed and everything) and to post it in the topic... I think 7-8 casinos were included in the contest!
Beside that no, and again why would we!? I am telling you when some professionals check it, it's checked! We simply don't have knowledge to do what they can...

[AmoreJaz]

I think it would be hard to determine whether the game is fair or not. In gambling, there will be times that you will continuously win and same thing with the other way around. This I think what makes gambling, "gambling". There's no assurance of the outcome right? We just cannot manipulate games to be in favor of our fortune. But there are games which are not fair and I think that's another story; Games wherein many people are losing continuously. In this instance you will only know how things are happening if there will be a discussion about such game to know or determine if it is being fair which will be hard in a way that not all gamblers will be initiating such topic since there is a common idea that you won't win most of the time in gambling not knowing that results are already being manipulated by the House. Cases are rare I think, but I've heard this story from a friend of mine.

actually there are a lot of games that you can't use the provably fairness tool. you are just relying that the site is doing the right thing. but to have your mind at ease in playing in one of these casinos, better play in the trusted and established casinos. because if they are having dirty tactics, one way or another, a player should have raised that already. also, not many players are really checking the provably fairness of the casino. but if the casino is new and unfamiliar, that's when people are trying to check the the provable fairness of their games.

[carlfebz2]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

You can actually verify those games if they are indeed fair using via 3rd party source like in btcgosu : https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

This had been this place on where i do make out some verification when i do have doubts about my bet.It do list out a handful number of known casinos as well.

Its just normal for us players to be in doubt towards our plays but majority is just too confident when they do saw that the site theyve been dealing does have lots of players
on where they do presume out that theyre dealing with the right site.

[alegotardo]

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Well... I remember having already checked some bets on the website's "validator" itself.
Despite knowing that there are independent sites that do this, I never checked my bets outside the site itself.

I just look for gambling that already have a good reputation and that I believe are reliable. Reputation is something very important and a site would hardly risk losing it.

[Text]

To answer your question, Yes.  Previously, when I was still fond of playing dice games on Bitsler I proved it was fair with the help of @webtricks.  Almost all casinos that have provably fair games have a built-in verifier to ensure that I am not cheated or deceived.  There are also instructions on how to do this.

[webtricks]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Good question. I feel happy to see such threads. Although people argue that gambling is for fun and all but you won't want to have fun at the place which willingly not letting you win. So in my opinion, every player should understand how Provably Fair system works, set his seeds himself and occassionally verify some of his bets as well.

I have been writing few threads on Provably Fair lately but I think this is my best article explaining the system: https://www.btcgosu.com/provably-fair/. If you want you can give it a read sometimes.

Also, I see that few members already gave you the Verifier link above, you can use the verifier and prove the fairness of bets. Currently, it's supporting 26 casinos as we speak. You can suggest more casinos if you would like to get them added in the tool by writing your suggestion in this thread: BTCGosu Thread.

Also, let me know if you got any doubt regarding Provably Fair, I would be happy to help in this thread.

PS: Thank you @Text for mentioning me due to which I noticed the thread.

[longlivecapitalism]

I admit I've never done such a thing. However, when I join a gambling site, I always do my research beforehand and check reviews and what the word is from other users and what the complaints from former users are. So, if there is a game that states that it's provably fair and it doesn't, there is a strong possibility that I'll hear about it.

[maydna]

Why should I prove the fairness of games? I trust the casino will not cheat other members or me. As long as you play gambling on a reputable casino with a good reputation, you don't have to prove fairness. But you can try to prove fairness if you want to make sure that the casino is really not cheating on their members.

I only think that if I prove fairness, that can consume my time instead of playing gambling in my free time. And I will end my time just to prove fairness without enjoying the games. That is not what I want in my free time.

[sunsilk]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Thanks to this forum as it shares what are the reputable casinos that have proven its trust in the crypto gambling community for a long time. Been tested by technical gamblers who can assess and check the fairness of the casino.

And it is easier for non tech people to validate trust through forum's feedback system. You'll see realness and genuineness of a casiono with their games. You are also free to ask about their licenses and can collectively have reviews about them.

[kkaroul4]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

For those who already earned reputation casinos of course I don't even verify it but for new casinos there's in need of checking it. Also if I remember there's a third party website that checks or verifies bet of some known casino here's the link https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

[qory]

Most of the time I didn't confirm whether my game is fair or not even though there's some ways to verify it such as instruction on their website on how it can be proven. Currently I'm more into sports betting which can't be proven if it's fair. It's either real game or rigged one.

[actmyname]

I think the fact that so many gamblers are (apparently) so vehemently against checking the authenticity of their bets is very distressing.

What's that old saying for that one cryptocurrency that people tend to use, again?

"Don't trust. Verify."Blind trust means that exploitation is possible. Instead of saying, "yeah, but I trust them anyway," why not eliminate the need for trust at all?

[Text]

PS: Thank you @Text for mentioning me due to which I noticed the thread.

Welcome, it just that you are the first thing that came to my mind and I remember when such matters because you helped and guided me on how to do it.  Of course, @efi and his Gosu platform are included.  Maybe the others, in the beginning, do not pay attention to the verification of their bets, and only then will they doubt if it is fair when they have experienced a severely loose streak especially if they do not accept defeat.  But when you gamble at reputable and trusted casinos you have no fear of fraud.

[LimLims]

The best you can do is play at a site that has professional gambling games from a provider such as Netent. There are plenty of large sites on the forum that offer that. Then you know for sure that you play fair games.

Yes thats absolutely the OP can do.
Moreover another way the OP can ensure himself that he is being not cheated.
He can play at popular gambling sites or casinos and you can find the list here only.
Op can play at PD, stake, Bitsler and they provide the most fair games possible.
Op also can try sports betting and these events completely based on luck.

[imstillthebest]

not all casino has a provably fair .
 there are honest casinos that dont put provably fair because they dont have but there are liers that put provably fair when they dont have ,
they did it to decieve gamblers because gamblers are looking for a provably fair casino thinking that they can score a win but why choose those who didnt have that  ?
provably or not ,
losses can come  but natural loose is acceptable than loosing because of an unfair game  .
we can easily verify if a casino has a provably fair  or not on our own  , no need to call for  a specialist .

[Russlenat]

If you are not good enough with analyzing or proving the numbers to determine if a site is not cheating to us, I think you should gamble on sites with good reputation, they have volume of gamblers, you can expect that few of them are smart enough, so if there's no complaint against the site, that means they are not cheating gamblers and their provably fair games are real fair.

[lebregone]

It has been raised for quite a few times already on how to see the fairness of their game, maybe a player who have tech knowledge can do so but what about the regular players?

In my case, I am avoiding any games that has a provably fair feature not unless they can provide us a means to verify their fairness via a third party applications that are not bias also. What I will be looking forward is that there will be a platform or a group of people who are willing to create a platform that will verify every algorithm that was used in every casino and to check whether it is probably fair or not.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I think you have to try many sites, platforms that use Provably Fair, which is widely used in most sites and with a great reputation, what you have to keep in mind is that the house will always have a minimal advantage, if you play with a lot of routine, you will lose fast.

[acener]

Although it has come to my mind but I never really question the fairness of the games or the gambling sites that I use.
Even though it might seems that the site is cheating but I think it is just a bad luck or I am just being too greedy that I lost it all.
For me it is part of gambling we would lose and we should just take it as it is since there is nothing we could do about it since we are just a regular player,
I would just leave it to those who have knowledge about it to find out if the gambling sites are cheating or not.

[leea-1334]

I think the fact that so many gamblers are (apparently) so vehemently against checking the authenticity of their bets is very distressing.

What's that old saying for that one cryptocurrency that people tend to use, again?

"Don't trust. Verify."Blind trust means that exploitation is possible. Instead of saying, "yeah, but I trust them anyway," why not eliminate the need for trust at all?

Along with many other sayings that crypto circles promote, yet very few actually practice,,, like "not your keys, not your coins".

I think we have to accept that the majority of crypto retail users just treat crypto as another digital currency, not different from paypal or other ingame coins. And maybe this is the future after all?

[rijaljun]

I played on the casinos that was known for a long time but sometimes when I'm on losing streak I checked my bets to see if they are fair enough so far I managed to check and they are fair I also use some other ways to prove it like using other service or some tutorials online to check it for yourself and not on the built-in verifier.

[peter0425]

Depend on the sites involved , but for Me before i will totally engaged in a gambling site i'll make sure to check their probability in which i will Bet small amount and try in some rolls .

Then my satisfaction will tell me if the site is legit or not.

But asking in general ? yeah i have Proven these are truly In the Games.

[Reatim]

It will Be Unfair if i will Use the Name of my Signature as an example but Indeed , in Here Fairness is happening and you can try checking your self.

Though there are some site that Liar and only imposing their probability but in the reality of Game they are cheater and BS gaming.

I think you have to try many sites, platforms that use Provably Fair, which is widely used in most sites and with a great reputation, what you have to keep in mind is that the house will always have a minimal advantage, if you play with a lot of routine, you will lose fast.

Thats the best advise , Explore the gambling area , bet cheap amount for your own checking  because Fairness will reflect in at least 5-10 bets and you will decide which is legit and which are scam.

[shield132]

The best you can do is play at a site that has professional gambling games from a provider such as Netent. There are plenty of large sites on the forum that offer that. Then you know for sure that you play fair games.

But that's the thing, you can't actually know you're playing fair games just by going to such a casino. Not that I have anything against Netent or other providers. I'm not saying their games aren't fair either, but the fact is that you can't know, you can only trust their word. That's the whole idea behind provably fair games, to get around that.

When it comes to live BlackJack, you actually see what they are doing in live. On another hand, they have thousands of employees, for example Evolution has up to 3K employee in a country where lives up to 3.5 million people, so, I hugely doubt all of them are so professionals to cheat customers online. In overall, no, live casinos and in this case, Evolution, doesn't cheat, the game is 100% provably fair. The problem is that people lose and think that game isn't fair while in reality games are mathematically made to be profitable for casinos in long term. Also, in most cases, governments regulate casinos and it's prohibited to cheat customers (I know a case when the government was checking the casino's fairness).

[actmyname]

I think we have to accept that the majority of crypto retail users just treat crypto as another digital currency, not different from paypal or other ingame coins. And maybe this is the future after all?

Even if that's the case, gamblers especially should do it at least once. If you confirm that the server/client+nonce process functions as intended, then that set of bets is in-line with provable fairness.

However much you want to extrapolate your trust from just that, do as you may, but the fallacy of argumentum ad populum is not one that I want anyone to make. The birth of blind trust leads to death of logic.

[carlisle1]

It's your own way on finding if there is a Fairness or not in casino games.

But in my time playing and betting ? yeah i can assure that legit casino sites has their Percentage of fairness , though not everyone has the same but at least they are offering and giving this to their players.

But of course they will make sure at in the end , They will Win as operators .. Look at the Big casinos now ,how can they offer Huge return for their player if they are not winning and surely taking the Money of each players.

[kryptqnick]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

I must admit that I usually don't check it when I see that it's provably fair and when it looks legit. But I did try checking the fairness a few times on websites that made it very easy. I don't remember the name of that casino, but it had a provably fair check tutorial, and it was really easy to do it because it had explanations and I didn't have to go on a separate website for this. I think it's good when it's possible to check it, but I don't think it's necessary to do it all the time unless you suspect that something is off.

[finaleshot2016]

No, because I believe that gambling is a business and of course they're the one will benefit a lot from this business. There are parts of the games that is probably fair but if you look at the bigger view, there are flaws on the system which makes it unfair such as the algorithm which we don't know because they're the one who develops it. In casino houses, there are tricks that can be done in order to lessen the winning streak of a certain person but I personally don't know how it works. It will be always up to you if you'll consider it fair or not because you're the one who experiences it and you're the one who'll believe it.

[iamsheikhadil]

Well, it depends on the popularity and good-will of the company for me ngl. I never really bet huge funds to actually care if the casino is rigging me in the long term. I do verify bets when I lose right on the first roll or let's say losing at 1.01x twice, I just do it to verify and to quench my ego and anger that says I can't lose for games like slots, it heavily depends on the provider. Games from providers like netent or evolution gaming are so popular so I don't really verify my games I play there. 

[Insanerman]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

I've already been on dozens and dozens of online gambling casinos and their fairness is often measured by how many users have been wagered that wins that must be greater compared to those loses wagers. You cannot really prove a fairness of a platform if its clients were only composed of not exceeding 100, as the probability is more reliable when the data is of a greater number. Hence, I know I can trust the provably fair of a platform once the total number of wins is more than 50%.

[Twentyonepaylots]

Not a lot of people do that because either time constraints, the boiling excitement to gamble, or both are not allowing them, myself included. And to be honest, this term has been thrown here and there that it lost its flavor already, so people most likely aren't even caring about if a game is provably fair in the first place because they don't have any way of proving it to the people anyway, so people stop caring.

[Ryker1]

Not a lot of people do that because either time constraints, the boiling excitement to gamble, or both are not allowing them, myself included. And to be honest, this term has been thrown here and there that it lost its flavor already, so people most likely aren't even caring about if a game is provably fair in the first place because they don't have any way of proving it to the people anyway, so people stop caring.

Well, I think not all people will do the same as this because for me, verifying provably fair is very important and there are too many articles that teach you how to verify and how to determine if the gambling site truly has this provably fair. The fairness of the game is proven, you can verify this through determining the has that given. Technically speaking, proven fairness is to verify first before using because we can't deny the fact that they will perhaps be cheating because there are only a few of us who only know how to verify provably fair and the rest are don't care about it.

[dimonstration]

Well, it depends on the popularity and good-will of the company for me ngl. I never really bet huge funds to actually care if the casino is rigging me in the long term. I do verify bets when I lose right on the first roll or let's say losing at 1.01x twice, I just do it to verify and to quench my ego and anger that says I can't lose for games like slots, it heavily depends on the provider. Games from providers like netent or evolution gaming are so popular so I don't really verify my games I play there. 

As long as the casino or games already built their name and trusted reputation there's no need to verify the fairness. Actually even in some casino except those new casinos what I wanted is a good support team who have something like live chat support or reply fast in inquiries same with fast withdrawal process. Fairness can be proven if we actually win or not just experience loss and loss consecutively.

[TheUltraElite]

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Why would you ever trust a casino without testing their provably fair method?

Not sure how long you have been in this niche of gambling with cryptocurrencies, but the term trust here does not make sense without being able to be verified. Thats why most casinos that have been running for long have a transparent method to use a third part verifier to verify your bets.

It is very simple and if ever you find a casino which lacks such a verification method that you can use or straight up does not mention anything about it, you can be sure that the site is a scam and immediately report it here in this forum in the "Scam Accusations" section for public reference.

[shoreno]

Well, it depends on the popularity and good-will of the company for me ngl. I never really bet huge funds to actually care if the casino is rigging me in the long term. I do verify bets when I lose right on the first roll or let's say losing at 1.01x twice, I just do it to verify and to quench my ego and anger that says I can't lose for games like slots, it heavily depends on the provider. Games from providers like netent or evolution gaming are so popular so I don't really verify my games I play there.  

As long as the casino or games already built their name and trusted reputation there's no need to verify the fairness. Actually even in some casino except those new casinos what I wanted is a good support team who have something like live chat support or reply fast in inquiries same with fast withdrawal process. Fairness can be proven if we actually win or not just experience loss and loss consecutively.

why not ? i see gamblers playing on famous casinos and still verify their bets and some of those gamblers have a complain about the sites fairness . you can do verify them if you are worried and name of the site shouldnt lured us to not check their fairness because we wont know if they are betraying us .

the features that you list and like are also essentials on a gambling site but before them provably fair should come first because this is more important .

[Pmalek]

Why should I prove the fairness of games? I trust the casino will not cheat other members or me. As long as you play gambling on a reputable casino with a good reputation, you don't have to prove fairness.

Why would you trust someone or something blindly if you have a chance to check the claims yourself no matter how trustworthy the casino is or seems to be?
Can trust not be abused?
Can people not change for the worse?
Can the goal of the casino not be to build trust early on, only to misuse that trust later when the customers get comfortable?

All these scenarios are possible. It's another discussion how often they happen. We trust Electrum with our bitcoin, but it's still recommended (even by their main developer) to always check and verify the signatures.     

[Text]

Why would you trust someone or something blindly if you have a chance to check the claims yourself no matter how trustworthy the casino is or seems to be?
Can trust not be abused?
Can people not change for the worse?
Can the goal of the casino not be to build trust early on, only to misuse that trust later when the customers get comfortable?
~snip

This is right, there is no perfect system.  Their platform may be running smoothly at first but it may also have an issue in case there is a new update and it has have bug/s to say.  There are and still are verifying bets even if we play in a reputable and trusted casino.  That is why it is placed and there is such a feature to use, but it is not necessary to do it all or every time we place bets.  Just proof that their provable games are fair.

[Oasisman]

Nobody knows and It's not actually an easy thing to find out.
However, the most possible thing to do to prove a certain website offers a "provably fair" gambling experience is to try them out. I'm pretty sure after many tries you'll be able to make a presumption base on your experience.
But, gambling casino's do dirty tricks in a most unnoticeable way to their client no matter how trustworthy these casino's are. So, my answer to this is "No", nobody has ever proven a hundred percent that a casino applied the provably fair, or whatever kind of "fair" terms in gambling.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

Yes. I have proven fairness in some gambling sites because I have the same experience of winning and losing in playing different gambling games, like playing in a real casino. They do not take advantage of your profits when you experience winning a considerable amount of profit. Some use a provably fair tool to ensure the algorithm and cryptographic hash if it is not cheating and verifying each result to players in an online casino.

[CODE200]

Yes. I have proven fairness in some gambling sites because I have the same experience of winning and losing in playing different gambling games, like playing in a real casino. They do not take advantage of your profits when you experience winning a considerable amount of profit. Some use a provably fair tool to ensure the algorithm and cryptographic hash if it is not cheating and verifying each result to players in an online casino.

Problem is, there is a tendency for other platforms to make such scheme because it is money we are talking about and many people are interested into it, or should I say all of us? Going back, there are stories spreading;some are transfered through tounge and some are on the Internet. The idea that "house always win" somewhat makes the claim valid. Instances of such is due to greed. Even if the house won't use such scheme, it will remain victorious over its players due to the quantity of players. We'll, I hope cases regarding to this concern will someday be  cleared in order for more players to enjoy this industry.

[johhnyUA]

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

It's very easy to prove it by yourself, i think there was few examples here before this post. Personally, when i played in satoshidice.com few first throws i checked through "provably fair" hash method. This is useful and good habit for any gambler. But there is no reason to check every bet. T

[Oilacris]

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

It's very easy to prove it by yourself, i think there was few examples here before this post. Personally, when i played in satoshidice.com few first throws i checked through "provably fair" hash method. This is useful and good habit for any gambler. But there is no reason to check every bet. T

There's no need for some checking when you are dealing already with some popular gambling site which you can automatically presume that they are fair ones because they had been trusted already by the masses.

They wont really be getting such recognition if their provably fair do have some issues because there are really gamblers who do really verify out bets and do elaborate if there are some little bit hint
of issues or not right unto their bets.

So this kind of behavior would already be presuming out that you are dealing with a fair site.

[dothebeats]

Yes, through what the site directly offers and through third-party verifiers as well. For most new platforms, I'm weary of using their provably-fair calculator since they can do some things on the front-end and I will never know, that's why BTCGosu's verifier is a handy tool if I want to ensure that the site isn't playing any games with me in terms of my sessions. I think everyone playing on online gambling platforms should know a thing or two on how to verify their games for fairness. True that most platforms wouldn't do something sinister for a couple of dollars but there are still some that goes under the radar, profiting off of clueless individuals on how provably-fair works.

[Shasha80]

Because the gambling sites I use are mostly popular, I don't feel the need to prove the fairness of the gambling sites I use. Usually someone else
has done it, I just need to read the reviews gambling site that I will use. Usually the reviews provided by members on this forum are very reliable.
But there is nothing wrong if you want to verify the fairness, to make it more convincing that the gambling sites used actually have a fair system.

[Lanatsa]

Because the gambling sites I use are mostly popular, I don't feel the need to prove the fairness of the gambling sites I use. Usually someone else
has done it, I just need to read the reviews gambling site that I will use. Usually the reviews provided by members on this forum are very reliable.
But there is nothing wrong if you want to verify the fairness, to make it more convincing that the gambling sites used actually have a fair system.

to be honest I have never proven that because if you want to do that you have to have a lot of capital to do a gamble that takes up to 100 rounds or more, so I only see some people who have tried to prove the fairness of the game and many people are disappointed because it is proven sometimes it's not fair.

If its not fair then those players will really be complaining and letting other people know about that issue and this is where accusations do being mold up.

I agree on other point of view above that  you wont really be making some investigation or research if you do just simply stick with popular sites.

For sure their players had already proved out that their games were fair and square.

[coin-investor]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

I do check the fairness when I started playing the game and randomly after each round and so far all the gambling sites I'm playing are showing provably fair, all gambling sites that are claiming to be provably fair should show a way for their players a link or a page to check if they are implementing provably fair.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I check the fairness of all the gambling sites where I play regularly. I didn't used to when I first started but then I had some big losses and needed to prove to myself that I wasn't being cheated. There are some third party verifiers that make it really easy and convenient to validate the fairness of your bets so there is really no excuse not to do this. Even if it is not every single bet, you should at least pick a few at random every now and then.

[peter0425]

The votes proves the truth , and that is YES fairness is indeed available in crypto casinos , as long as the Site is Legit and there are plenty of examples here .

I am proud that Mine is one of those ,same as Roobet , DuelBits and Cryptogames.net .

Those are the sites that i use to play.

[YOSHIE]

There are two factors that can prove that casino gambling is fair or not in the game.
1. You must choose an official casino.
2. You should avoid casinos that are not genuine/official.

In this case one is to prove that they are fair in the game, between a fake gambling site and a genuine gambling site you really need to know this is a solution/fact to avoid injustice in betting.

In this case you can conclude that is fair or not.
By the way you bet and you lose streak never get a chance of winning it can also be a sign that they are cheating unfairly in the game, fake casino sites are so dangerous they don't think about positive things for their members, only concerned with their own profits.
The bottom line: real and fake casino gambling sites can determine whether they are fair or not, all that you can find out after you bet on their site.
Thorough, careful choosing casino gambling is important.

[kotajikikox]

I have been wearing for long this signature of gambling site that has Been Proven to be Fair and Worth trusting .
 the fastest growing Gambling site today , with wagering more than million dollars every  day that also proven in their Event in Games and Round here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5307968.0

That assures Us in which the amount being wagered in that site proven how Fait they are to be Visited and played by Many gamblers.

__________________________

But we must Check the site on our own for the best outcome.

that's why BTCGosu's verifier is a handy tool if I want to ensure that the site isn't playing any games with me in terms of my sessions.

Indeed , have used this sometime.

[traderethereum]

But we must Check the site on our own for the best outcome.

If we do not want to get a scam or worst thing, we can select the recommended and trusty site to gamble, so we do not have to check the site.
That will help us minimize our time to check the fairness of games because the site will not cheat the member site.
But we can check the site that we used to gamble if we want to make sure that the site is not doing something suspicious.
If we already found one or more gambling sites that are fair, we do not have to move on to the other website because that can make us feel uncomfortable playing gambling.

[swogerino]

I have somewhat of a different view of this.I believe a provider when after playing one or more of their slots I have been able to hit their biggest payline like that 5000-10000x win.I only trust Play n Go provider as only here I have experienced that 5000x my bet win and I think there is no manipulation on the slots I used.I have played many other providers but haven’t been that lucky to reach a biggest win payout so my trust in other providers is not the same.

Ps:I am in no way affiliated with Play n Go or any other slot provider just sharing my story and point of view for the matter.

[Alucard1]

I don't have so many experiences with different gambling site but to know if the gambling site has proven fairness then you must try it first, if two sportsbooks have the same game then play both games and by that, you may see if there is a fairness in the website, I have tried betfury and for me, it has fairness in a game which makes me trust them and keep on playing on it.

[rodskee]

If we do not want to get a scam or worst thing, we can select the recommended and trusty site to gamble, so we do not have to check the site.

Any Idea how to Find those Recommended and Trusty gambling sites ? where to check those ?

That will help us minimize our time to check the fairness of games because the site will not cheat the member site.

Pardon ?the site will not cheat the member ? which site are these ?

But we can check the site that we used to gamble if we want to make sure that the site is not doing something suspicious.

Looks Like i can't find the reason on your post here ? The one that you quoted has told us to check each site but you propose to have sites that trusted.

If we already found one or more gambling sites that are fair, we do not have to move on to the other website because that can make us feel uncomfortable playing gambling.

Loyalty is one best way , like what we have wearing now but sorry I don't understand your Views here.

[actmyname]

That will help us minimize our time to check the fairness of games because the site will not cheat the member site.

Pardon ?the site will not cheat the member ? which site are these ?

If we already found one or more gambling sites that are fair, we do not have to move on to the other website because that can make us feel uncomfortable playing gambling.

Loyalty is one best way , like what we have wearing now but sorry I don't understand your Views here.

Considering you're advertising a casino that has some form of provably fair generation, I would suggest that you look into what you're actually advertising.

The "proven fairness" in the title is mathematical. You effectively show the player that you are creating random results with the combination of the two seeds given by player and server, along with the unchangeable nonce increments. It would be highly unlikely for a collision to occur where one side knows the future bet outcomes (though still theoretically possible).

_{Of course, none of it matters if they casino is going to block withdrawals in some form. Make sure the ToS doesn't have some stupid shit, first.}

[iTradeChips]

For me, there is really no fool proof way to find out the fairness of games. Of course, most of us have experienced going to websites that offers a "provably fair" gambling whenever they encounter one and it is for them to try these games. Maybe also most of us have experienced nothing peculiar and went along until either we win or we lose in these games. But also we don't shrug off the fact that in some occasions there are gambling places and websites that might be rigging their games so that they can prevent players to win, but that takes a lot of guts to confront then with evidence of tampering, of course.

[Wawa2013]

As long as we choose the gambling platforms correctly, there is no need to prove the gambling site is fair or not. Because for me who is very
selective in choosing gambling platforms, always choose gambling platforms that have positive reviews, have a license, and most importantly
always actively promote. With these three criteria, it makes me sure that the gambling platforms I choose are fair.

[adzino]

-snip-
I only think that if I prove fairness, that can consume my time instead of playing gambling in my free time. And I will end my time just to prove fairness without enjoying the games. That is not what I want in my free time.

Checking if your bets gave the right result is not a time consuming activity. It takes like seconds I guess. Most of the casino will have a short and easy to understand tutorial which you can follow and verify your bet results. They allow you to do so directly through the casino and also by using any third party sites.

Why should I prove the fairness of games? I trust the casino will not cheat other members or me. As long as you play gambling on a reputable casino with a good reputation, you don't have to prove fairness. But you can try to prove fairness if you want to make sure that the casino is really not cheating on their members.

Some user when they lose can't accept the fact that they lost everything. So its not about the reputation of the casino, its more about psychological peace. Some people even take it as a last hope to get back their money by trying to prove that the casino is rigged (even though it isn't).

[jademaxsuy]

Yes, but not in casino platform. I had been observing that most likely casino platform are not really fair in their games house edge has great percentage of winning compare to other betting like sports betting would be better but it takes to know the result after the game ends in which you will unlikely to wait to know the result after the game. Anyway, there are other style of betting now like predicting game to play and bet. This is a new craze and it ia also good for I have tried and earn to it.

[Lakai01]

I had been observing that most likely casino platform are not really fair in their games house edge has great percentage of winning compare to other betting like sports betting ...
-snip-

Which casinos are you talking about? Online Crypto Casinos like bustadice have usually a very low house edge:

What is the house edge?
The house edge is 1 %.

Source

In my opinion, this is far from unfair. The casinos have to be able to make a profit, otherwise they would have to close faster than we would like.

With offline casinos, it very much depends on what game you are playing. Some games like blackjack have a very low house edge of 1.5%.

[fiulpro]

The live events , the sports events , elections and things like that , these are the ones where you can indeed think about playing a fair game but when it comes to sites saying how fair the games are. The more complicated a game is , the more are the chances that you might be getting duped.
That is indeed why one has to go for good sites which are well known and established because they don't really get in these unfair practices.
It doesn't matter what they say : The fairness depends on the site itself. Choose wisely .
Rest remember that the more complicated the game is , lower are the chances of us proving it's fairness.

Well I don't think house edge and fairness go hand in hand though. Fairness depends on how untainted ...a game is. House edge is fairly listed so if you don't want to give 1% then go to some other site. There are plenty out there.

[harizen]

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Not necessary as long as the site passes my own set of "criteria". For popular ones, no need to do such checking or verifying.

And besides, with lots of gamblers around that have some knowledge about verifying the bets "deeply", I doubt these sites, especially the longer in service, will cheat their own system.

Bottom line, it's more of simply trusting the site instead of verifying the fairness side.

[khaled0111]

It's not only about verifying the fairness of games but also about knowing how provably fair systems work and if they do really produce results that can't be predicted by the casino. Some systems are flawed (intentionally) so make sure you fully understand how numbers are being generated.
Personally, I don't even trust the tools provided by casinos to check the fairness but I use third party tools.

[crzy]

That’s a lot of work to do and its not just about a simple game since you have to crack down the codes so I din’t mind proving this one and leave this fairness to the pro gamblers and I’m sure someone will do it. I do gamble on a reputable gambling site, they work fine and many are confident about their fairness.

[ReiMomo]

It's not only about verifying the fairness of games but also about knowing how provably fair systems work and if they do really produce results that can't be predicted by the casino. Some systems are flawed (intentionally) so make sure you fully understand how numbers are being generated.
Personally, I don't even trust the tools provided by casinos to check the fairness but I use third party tools.

Exactly and I agree. It should be an accurate result if they give a hash to verify how the provably fair system work. Most likely the generating result should be exact and you check the gambling site once after that I am sure you will never do that again. Regarding the tools provided by the gambling site, don't use them on their own site because there is a possibility that it could be manipulated by them without knowing us. However, gambling is a form of entertainment not a source of income, don't take it seriously.

[Yamifoud]

That’s a lot of work to do and its not just about a simple game since you have to crack down the codes so I din’t mind proving this one and leave this fairness to the pro gamblers and I’m sure someone will do it. I do gamble on a reputable gambling site, they work fine and many are confident about their fairness.

Aside from having an experience with the site, we also have to check the credibility of the site, of course, the feedback of the players is very helpful tips to know if the site is fair to their players.
The gambling industry is increasing its numbers and so the gamblers as well. It could a part of their propaganda to have such fairness is able to attract players and for sure they have to do it otherwise, they'll get nothing.

[RealMalatesta]

I don't have so many experiences with different gambling site but to know if the gambling site has proven fairness then you must try it first, if two sportsbooks have the same game then play both games and by that, you may see if there is a fairness in the website, I have tried betfury and for me, it has fairness in a game which makes me trust them and keep on playing on it.

Sportsbook are NOT provably fair man that is quite obvious so not sure what you mean by that but yeah I agree and have played at betfury and they are indeed very eye catchy and games are fair.

Verifying your bets is an essential part of crypto gambling and I am not asking or recommending to verify every bet but at least verify a few bets every time you make 100-200 bets randomly because that ensures that if something fishy was going on, it would be visible clearly.

That said, I don't verify many bets myself because I trust these casinos I play at and the bet size is usually small because I chase high multipliers.

[Mauser]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

When I started out with gambling and lost a few games in a row I actually went and checked the games for fairness. But it didn't change anything, the games were fair and I still lost my money. After playing in online casinos for a long time now I kind of stopped checking the fairness of games.

[traderethereum]

If we do not want to get a scam or worst thing, we can select the recommended and trusty site to gamble, so we do not have to check the site.

Any Idea how to Find those Recommended and Trusty gambling sites ? where to check those ?

You really do not know how to find those recommended and trusty gambling sites? That sounds does not make sense
You can try Duelbits (as you wear the code ), fortunejack, bitvest, 777coin, yolodice, roobet, betcoin.ag, bustadice, blackjack.fun, stake, sportsbet.io, cryptogames, playbetr, and many more. I do not need to check all of those sites because I believe those sites are recommended and trusty gambling sites. All of the sites have their own reputations, and you can select one of those sites or all of them.

That will help us minimize our time to check the fairness of games because the site will not cheat the member site.

Pardon ?the site will not cheat the member ? which site are these ?

I do not know which site cheat the member because I do not play on the unknown gambling site. If there are many good reviews from the members about the site, that means a lot for me. But I do not know how you choose the site because we have a different method to determine the site.

But we can check the site that we used to gamble if we want to make sure that the site is not doing something suspicious.

Looks Like i can't find the reason on your post here ? The one that you quoted has told us to check each site but you propose to have sites that trusted.

From that list I gave you, you can check one by one of the sites to find if the site cheats the members or not.

If we already found one or more gambling sites that are fair, we do not have to move on to the other website because that can make us feel uncomfortable playing gambling.

Loyalty is one best way , like what we have wearing now but sorry I don't understand your Views here.

Let assume you trust duelbits. You play on that site, and you do not have any problem with that site. Sooner and later, you trust the site, making you do not want to move to the other site.

[arwin100]

Hi!

This is a question that has been on my mind for quite some time. You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

When playing for the first time you should check the fairness of the game, gambling sites are offering a link or a way to check if the are indeed provably fair, and once the gambling site has established their fairness, you can continue playing and just do random checking if they maintain their provably fair feature, that's every gambler's concern and they should check it from time to time.

Before checking first the fairness you should check the reputation of the casino who you wish to play since if you go on small or new casino for sure the fairness is questionable and the casino state is so risky to play, compare to reputable casino where we can rely on them and their games are tester by the other gamblers, also they have reputation to protect that's why they make sure to provide a fair games to their costumers.

[ralle14]

I had been observing that most likely casino platform are not really fair in their games house edge has great percentage of winning compare to other betting like sports betting ...
-snip-

Which casinos are you talking about?

I think he's referring to casinos that offer several games from the third party providers since those games usually have a big house edge ranging from 2% to 5%.

That’s a lot of work to do and its not just about a simple game since you have to crack down the codes so I din’t mind proving this one and leave this fairness to the pro gamblers and I’m sure someone will do it. I do gamble on a reputable gambling site, they work fine and many are confident about their fairness.

Checking the fairness doesn't require that much work since most of the sites have a step by step on how to verify your bets.

[robelneo]

Checking the fairness doesn't require that much work since most of the sites have a step by step on how to verify your bets.

Yes they do, you mostly find them in their FAQ, if you are a whales or a high roller it's very important that you check the fairness of the game on a new gambling site that you are playing, even if the site has a good reputation, you should do random checking, so far we have not read any complaints on old sites about their fairness they are fair because of their reputation.  

[fullhdpixel]

You can see the term 'provably fair' used all over the place in the Bitcoin gambling market but in this case I'm referring to in-house games in casinos which offer the option to prove fairness of the game to the player.

Have you ever proven fairness of a game yourself or know someone who has or do you simply trust a casino claiming their games are provably fair?

Actually the in-house games are usually provably fair indeed like dice, keno and boost. You can easily verify the bets and I can give you an easy link to verify all your bets in a single place (thanks BTCGOSU for this work!) - https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/

Games that are provided by third party providers, mostly slots are not provably fair and hence are not as popular as the provably fair games. I have played a lot of slot games and I can vouch that for some providers like Relax Gaming and Pragmatic Play but then again they are not provably fair so play at your own risk. I would request any casino owners reading here to implement the buy-feature for slots in your provably fair games if possible, that is a crucial part of gambling for slot players.

[Cling18]

I believe most gamblers here don't. I sometimes rely on gambling sites reputation which is less likely to be unfair for their gamblers. I even don't know how to verify hashes provided by each bet since this requires a lot of technical works which I am not familiar with. I usually play on platforms that are reputable such as Roobet, Duelbits, Primedice, Fortunejack, and a lot more.

[pixie85]

I believe most gamblers here don't. I sometimes rely on gambling sites reputation which is less likely to be unfair for their gamblers. I even don't know how to verify hashes provided by each bet since this requires a lot of technical works which I am not familiar with. I usually play on platforms that are reputable such as Roobet, Duelbits, Primedice, Fortunejack, and a lot more.

You are correct. Probably more than 90% of players don't do it because it takes too much time. People prefer to rely on casino's reputation and hope that other people are doing it.

If you think about it it's not really that bad. Casinos can't cheat 1 single roll and be fair with another so even if 1% of players would check games it would be enough. You have hundreds of players playing every day and you'd risk your business and reputation hoping that not even 1 of them will check fairness? It doesn't happen in the real world.

[ShowOff]

Checking the fairness doesn't require that much work since most of the sites have a step by step on how to verify your bets.

Although relatively easy to do, I believe there are many gamblers who ignore it and they only trust sites based on the reputation they already have. Maybe I would have done the same if I played on a trusted site where they had evidence of game fairness which we can find on the site.

Fairness of the site towards users who gamble should always be considered important by all gamblers. This will remove any doubts about the site regarding its reputation.

[Oilacris]

Checking the fairness doesn't require that much work since most of the sites have a step by step on how to verify your bets.

Although relatively easy to do, I believe there are many gamblers who ignore it and they only trust sites based on the reputation they already have. Maybe I would have done the same if I played on a trusted site where they had evidence of game fairness which we can find on the site.

Fairness of the site towards users who gamble should always be considered important by all gamblers. This will remove any doubts about the site regarding its reputation.

Basing  off with their reputation would be the main  indication for some where they  dont really matter nor care at all about it as long they do presume  out or stick into those reputable ones.

It had been proven out by many or by the community when a certain platform had already some considerable amount of players.They wont really be reaching that
rank or reputation if they werent fair in the first place.

Fairness is the most important factor nor thing that we do mind off when we do gamble thats why people do make out some verifying and testing.

[Lorence.xD]

I believe most gamblers here don't. I sometimes rely on gambling sites reputation which is less likely to be unfair for their gamblers. I even don't know how to verify hashes provided by each bet since this requires a lot of technical works which I am not familiar with. I usually play on platforms that are reputable such as Roobet, Duelbits, Primedice, Fortunejack, and a lot more.

Gambling reputation sometimes equates to the fairness of the gambling site. There is really nothing to help prove the fairness of online gambling, just believe in their system and you are good to go besides someone will know when the going gets fishy. This anxiety of knowing that the game is fair is only a unnecessary burden for the players that they shouldn't worry in the first place.