25th Amendment after Trump supporters riot in the Capital

[philipma1957]

After Giuliani's call to the senator and Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State, I'm thinking that Trump might seriously be having a mental breakdown. He's a self-centered narcissist; this alone isn't so bad, and many such people are able to do good things. However, when these people go truly nuts, you can get things like Jonestown. Trump is old, he just had COVID a couple months ago, he's had a traumatic 4 years, and failing so publicly and completely challenges his whole worldview, so a mental breakdown doesn't seem that unlikely. If so, he may literally be unable to comprehend that he's actually lost; he may really think that the election was stolen from him through some conspiracy. There's a risk then that if Israel and Saudi Arabia prod him in the right way, they could get him to think that Iran was behind it, and he could order a strike on them. Or even worse, he could get it into his head that China is behind it, and order a nuclear strike against a nuclear power. These are pretty unlikely, but I would feel better if Trump was 25thed. It's difficult to pull off, though, so I doubt it'll happen.

I think that "teflon Don" really did go too far this time. He was clearly stoking the flames before and during the riot, even if he came just shy of actively supporting them. All of the Republican old guard are abandoning him. They did the same thing after the Access Hollywood tape, but this looks more widespread and final. IMO he won't be able to win a 2024 primary, and his brand will become somewhat tainted in the Republican party.

Trump is very dangerous and very likely is starting to feel cornered.

He came out and said he is quitting and is going to help insure a peaceful transition for Biden.

Frankly I think Trump will pull a rabbit 🐇 out of his hat and bust a solid move against Biden.

I feel Trump planned all of this and started with this plan back in 2016 when he said Hillary had millions of fake votes.  He always pushed that elections 🗳 are fixed. So his people now believe and will always believe this election was fixed.

This is all so very sad. so sad 😭.

[BADecker]

Check the site for links and emphasis.


Pence praises Capitol police after they shot unarmed woman dead during unarmed protest

Not long after unarmed Air Force veteran Ashli Babbit was murdered by Capitol police during the false flag “siege” in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, Vice President Mike Pence praised law enforcement for their “service.”

In a tweet, Pence praised Capitol Hill Police and other law enforcement officers “for keeping us safe today,” adding that the Capitol “was secured and we are truly grateful.”

Pence made no mention about Babbit’s death at the hands of these same police officers, joining the chorus of silence from most other politicians and pretty much the entire gamut of mainstream media outlets that feigned “outrage” over a few random people being let into the Capitol building to stage an “insurrection.”

The whole thing was a sham, we now know, as not everyone who was ushered into the Capitol building by police that day was a supporter of President Donald Trump’s “Stop the Steal” rally.

Babbit, however, is said to have been “a strong supporter of President Trump,” this coming from her husband who further described her as “a great patriot to all who knew her.”

Police officers shot Babbit in the neck, killing her, and the entire incident was caught on tape. These same cops then proceeded to enforce D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser’s 6pm curfew, which was imposed as an act of revenge to silence election fraud protesters from exercising their First Amendment rights.

Will Trump supporters still “back the blue” after Babbit’s murder?

Once the throng of Trump supporters outside the Capitol building learned what happened to Babbit inside, many of them started to question their “back the blue” stance, recognizing that not all police officers are on the side of freedom and justice.

[PrimeNumber7]

I think Trump lost a lot of his supporters by the way he acted since the election, especially in the rally on the 6th. Trump failed to condemn the rioting, and he should have done that. I think Trump was trying to delegitimize Biden's presidency, similar to how his presidency was delegitimized, and he ended up going too far.

Biden appears to be appointing a lot of extremists to his cabinet, and a lot of extremist proposals are being pushed by the left. This is counter to the centrist that Biden presented himself as during the election. I would expect voters to reject this in 2022, and in the 2024 presidential election.

After Giuliani's call to the senator and Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State, I'm thinking that Trump might seriously be having a mental breakdown.

This is very well possible, and unfortunate. He has been making bizarre claims privately (such as in the leaked call to the GA secretary of state) that are unsupported by fact.

There's a risk then that if Israel and Saudi Arabia prod him in the right way, they could get him to think that Iran was behind it, and he could order a strike on them. Or even worse, he could get it into his head that China is behind it, and order a nuclear strike against a nuclear power.

Pelosi recently had a call with the military leaders, asking them to not follow Trump's orders if he were to launch military action, or order a nuclear bomb launched. It is unclear as to what their response was, or how the military would actually respond to Trump's orders.

These are pretty unlikely, but I would feel better if Trump was 25thed. It's difficult to pull off, though, so I doubt it'll happen.

The WSJ editial board called for Trump to resign, and I agree this would be best for our country.

[BADecker]

I think Trump lost a lot of his supporters by the way he acted since the election, especially in the rally on the 6th. Trump failed to condemn the rioting, and he should have done that. I think Trump was trying to delegitimize Biden's presidency, similar to how his presidency was delegitimized, and he ended up going too far.

Biden appears to be appointing a lot of extremists to his cabinet, and a lot of extremist proposals are being pushed by the left. This is counter to the centrist that Biden presented himself as during the election. I would expect voters to reject this in 2022, and in the 2024 presidential election.

After Giuliani's call to the senator and Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State, I'm thinking that Trump might seriously be having a mental breakdown.

This is very well possible, and unfortunate. He has been making bizarre claims privately (such as in the leaked call to the GA secretary of state) that are unsupported by fact.

There's a risk then that if Israel and Saudi Arabia prod him in the right way, they could get him to think that Iran was behind it, and he could order a strike on them. Or even worse, he could get it into his head that China is behind it, and order a nuclear strike against a nuclear power.

Pelosi recently had a call with the military leaders, asking them to not follow Trump's orders if he were to launch military action, or order a nuclear bomb launched. It is unclear as to what their response was, or how the military would actually respond to Trump's orders.

These are pretty unlikely, but I would feel better if Trump was 25thed. It's difficult to pull off, though, so I doubt it'll happen.

The WSJ editial board called for Trump to resign, and I agree this would be best for our country.

Since Congress and SCOTUS refused to hear the accusations of election fraud that Trump wanted to present evidence of, what is Trump supposed to do? Was he simply lying about the election fraud? He is being censored on various standard media platforms (twitter, facebook, others). Such a thing has never been done before to a president. In the past, everybody wanted to hear what a president had to say, good or bad.

The point of a lost election isn't a problem if Trump is mistaken, and he really lost the election. To me it looks like an attempt to hide the truth that Trump is trying to project, that he won, and few people in media want to show it. Why not let the info out into the open, since appearances by the crowds of supporters seem to show that there are loads of Trump fans, way beyond the few that Biden could muster?

If Trump lost supporters, it's because they don't understand that the media is projecting a biased and wrong view of things that really went on.


If Trump is making claims that seem so bizarre that they couldn't be supported by fact, where is he supposed to show the fact of his claims if they absolutely ARE supported by fact? SCOTUS seems to have cut him off. Congress won't take him seriously even though Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani have spoken about loads of things that were fraudulent in the election. Powell and Giuliani don't talk like this if they don't have evidence or proof. But Trump's idea was to show the proof through Congressional hearings, which Congress wouldn't allow. Now, the media is cutting Trump off so that he can't even show the proof to the people directly.

It looks like the people love Trump, but the Congress and SCOTUS simply don't. SCOTUS has an excuse... can't hear, because of the kind of law they are, and the kind of law Election Law is. It's the kind where there have to be literal live people claiming personal harm or damage, against somebody who personally oversaw the election, or did the counting of the votes. But Congress is different. Congress isn't hearing because they don't like Trump's policies... because Trump might be causing them to lose money through his actions, even though his actions benefit the people of the USA, and the people know it.


Pelosi asking the military to watch out for Trump like he is crazy or something, is part of the show that she HAS to put on. If she doesn't get Trump out of the way, she and loads of others will go down under the avalanche of evidence Trump has regarding the thing they are doing against the country. She has to try everything that she can. If she fails, she is going down big time... along with many others who are using their position in government for making money, with a who-cares-if-it-hurts-American-people attitude.

Portions of the military are divided over Trump. Some love him, and some hate him. Others are simply following orders.


If Trump truly has proof of big-time election fraud, and if he doesn't act directly in some way within the next ten days, what will anybody do if he doesn't leave office on the 20th? Right now he is showing his proof to military leaders in detail, so that they can see that he won the election, and that there should at least be a formal Congressional investigation in detail... an investigation that is broadcast live to the whole country.

We don't see this happening, because Trump has been cut off from the various media platforms. Why do they cut him off? Because if his proof comes out into the open, many media leaders will be taken down because of their role in the election fraud. It's a good thing that they can't cut him off from showing proof to the military. Pelosi's contacting the military about Trump will act against her when the military see's Trump's proof.

[squatz1]

I think Trump lost a lot of his supporters by the way he acted since the election, especially in the rally on the 6th. Trump failed to condemn the rioting, and he should have done that. I think Trump was trying to delegitimize Biden's presidency, similar to how his presidency was delegitimized, and he ended up going too far.

Biden appears to be appointing a lot of extremists to his cabinet, and a lot of extremist proposals are being pushed by the left. This is counter to the centrist that Biden presented himself as during the election. I would expect voters to reject this in 2022, and in the 2024 presidential election.

After Giuliani's call to the senator and Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State, I'm thinking that Trump might seriously be having a mental breakdown.

This is very well possible, and unfortunate. He has been making bizarre claims privately (such as in the leaked call to the GA secretary of state) that are unsupported by fact.

There's a risk then that if Israel and Saudi Arabia prod him in the right way, they could get him to think that Iran was behind it, and he could order a strike on them. Or even worse, he could get it into his head that China is behind it, and order a nuclear strike against a nuclear power.

Pelosi recently had a call with the military leaders, asking them to not follow Trump's orders if he were to launch military action, or order a nuclear bomb launched. It is unclear as to what their response was, or how the military would actually respond to Trump's orders.

These are pretty unlikely, but I would feel better if Trump was 25thed. It's difficult to pull off, though, so I doubt it'll happen.

The WSJ editial board called for Trump to resign, and I agree this would be best for our country.

Totally has lot a lot of supporters by the way that he acted. There’s no real way to defend the actions of the President leading up to the Capitol riot because he really was the main reason that these people thought the election was stolen from him. There’s no merit to support all of these crazy claims about the voting systems, fake ballots, mail in fraud, and so on and so forth.

Donald Trump has now been impeached (again) by the House and there is a chance that he is found guilty by the Senate. i think this all highly depends on the timing of Dems sending it to the Senate. If they send it now / in the first few days of the Biden admin when Dems have control of the Senate then I think the liklihood is high as this is still news.

Though if this is sent 100 days from now or some shit like that, then there’s a pretty low chance of passing as it gives the GOP the out of ‘well this is already done and he is so far out of the Presidency, why are we even doing this’ — Plus people won’t really care at this point.

[suchmoon]

Totally has lot a lot of supporters by the way that he acted.

Kind of...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/13/trump-approval-rating-poll-458602

A new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll pegs Trump’s approval at just 34 percent, the lowest in four years of tracking opinions of the president’s job performance.

Not that much off the ~40% he's usually at, is it?

Three in four self-identified GOP voters still approve of the job Trump is doing as president — 75 percent — but that is down from 83 percent in the final POLITICO/Morning Consult poll of 2020, conducted in December.

There you go. His base is still there and it's still holding the GOP hostage. This is basically a death sentence (hopefully not literally; just losing the primaries) for the political career of almost any GOP senator who considers voting to convict Trump in the impeachment trial.

[mayo2u]

If Trump decides to set up a new party, let's say "American People's Party" (members will be called Americans, LOL)

There's no chance he would allow it to be named anything that didn't include "Trump".

I think your underestimating how divided the Democrats are though.  It's not all that different from the Republicans right now.  The moderate Dems and Republicans could end up being the third party, especially with Biden in charge.

The Trump party would be middle of the road. Trump is more of a 1990s Democrat than a Republican. His support is largely from the industrial workers that used to be Democrat until the Democratic Party abandoned them.

What are Trump's positions: Bring the industrial base back home; don't be involved in foreign intervention; and secure the borders.

His position does not attract the global capitalist aspect of either the Democratic or Republican Party.

[Quickseller]

Totally has lot a lot of supporters by the way that he acted.

Kind of...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/13/trump-approval-rating-poll-458602

A new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll pegs Trump’s approval at just 34 percent, the lowest in four years of tracking opinions of the president’s job performance.

Not that much off the ~40% he's usually at, is it?

Three in four self-identified GOP voters still approve of the job Trump is doing as president — 75 percent — but that is down from 83 percent in the final POLITICO/Morning Consult poll of 2020, conducted in December.

There you go. His base is still there and it's still holding the GOP hostage. This is basically a death sentence (hopefully not literally; just losing the primaries) for the political career of almost any GOP senator who considers voting to convict Trump in the impeachment trial.

I would not trust the polling of approval ratings. The polls were far off in the 2020 election, and I have no reason to believe their accuracy has since improved.

Trump is not going to be tried while he is in office, and if he remains banned on social media, his grip on his base is going to deteriorate. There are plenty of Republican Senators who will not have to win a primary for 4-6 years, by the time which Trump will long be forgotten.

[squatz1]

Totally has lot a lot of supporters by the way that he acted.

Kind of...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/13/trump-approval-rating-poll-458602

A new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll pegs Trump’s approval at just 34 percent, the lowest in four years of tracking opinions of the president’s job performance.

Not that much off the ~40% he's usually at, is it?

Three in four self-identified GOP voters still approve of the job Trump is doing as president — 75 percent — but that is down from 83 percent in the final POLITICO/Morning Consult poll of 2020, conducted in December.

There you go. His base is still there and it's still holding the GOP hostage. This is basically a death sentence (hopefully not literally; just losing the primaries) for the political career of almost any GOP senator who considers voting to convict Trump in the impeachment trial.

Happy you were able to figure out what I was saying even though I said ‘lot’ instead of ‘lost’ a lot of supporters.

6% shift though, that’s something. Most of his approval rating came from die hard people, so seeing a shift like that is really something. Important to see if that’s just short term shock in regards to the Capitol, or if these people will genuinely not support Trump in the long term. Impossible for us to see now though.

[suchmoon]

6% shift though, that’s something. Most of his approval rating came from die hard people, so seeing a shift like that is really something. Important to see if that’s just short term shock in regards to the Capitol, or if these people will genuinely not support Trump in the long term. Impossible for us to see now though.

Republicans like Jim Jordan are already starting to whitewash the whole thing, along the lines that Trump never told these people to be violent, but the election was still fraudulent, and now on top of all this he's a martyr because Twitter et al banned him. And yes, events like these fade in public memory whereas "judges! abortions! Mexicans!" will remain very important to the base. The only thing that can dethrone Trump is perhaps another Trump-like character rising through the ranks, not sure who that could be though.

[squatz1]

6% shift though, that’s something. Most of his approval rating came from die hard people, so seeing a shift like that is really something. Important to see if that’s just short term shock in regards to the Capitol, or if these people will genuinely not support Trump in the long term. Impossible for us to see now though.

Republicans like Jim Jordan are already starting to whitewash the whole thing, along the lines that Trump never told these people to be violent, but the election was still fraudulent, and now on top of all this he's a martyr because Twitter et al banned him. And yes, events like these fade in public memory whereas "judges! abortions! Mexicans!" will remain very important to the base. The only thing that can dethrone Trump is perhaps another Trump-like character rising through the ranks, not sure who that could be though.

Totally agree with this. Trump still holds a massive amount of support within the party and as time goes on people will forget that the event happened due to news reporting / other republicans saying that Trumps role in this entire thing was minimal.

Really depends on how much time Trump supporters spend on Fox, Newsmax, OAN following the Capitol riots. Cause these networks will do a pretty good job of spinning the story.

Not sure who is the new Trump in the party as well. Maybe someone like DeSantis could emerge on the national stage? Cotton?

[TwitchySeal]

6% shift though, that’s something. Most of his approval rating came from die hard people, so seeing a shift like that is really something. Important to see if that’s just short term shock in regards to the Capitol, or if these people will genuinely not support Trump in the long term. Impossible for us to see now though.

Republicans like Jim Jordan are already starting to whitewash the whole thing, along the lines that Trump never told these people to be violent, but the election was still fraudulent, and now on top of all this he's a martyr because Twitter et al banned him. And yes, events like these fade in public memory whereas "judges! abortions! Mexicans!" will remain very important to the base. The only thing that can dethrone Trump is perhaps another Trump-like character rising through the ranks, not sure who that could be though.

Totally agree with this. Trump still holds a massive amount of support within the party and as time goes on people will forget that the event happened due to news reporting / other republicans saying that Trumps role in this entire thing was minimal.

Really depends on how much time Trump supporters spend on Fox, Newsmax, OAN following the Capitol riots. Cause these networks will do a pretty good job of spinning the story.

Not sure who is the new Trump in the party as well. Maybe someone like DeSantis could emerge on the national stage? Cotton?

With the storming of the capital and possible pile of sealed indictments waiting for Trump to no longer be president I think there's a very real chance that Trumps days may be pretty much over.  There will always be his most loyal followers and the NY Post, but he lost all social media platforms last week and next week he loses the press corp and the biggest platform there is.  I also expect the MSM to go out of their way to not cover him and get shit when they do (and obviously shit when they don't from the muhThEMeDiA crowd).

[BADecker]

DoI really want to show you jokers this link?

Listen to the audio video here - https://www.brighteon.com/7255f5d8-eea8-4067-8c8c-5cdb3b942d03

But you can read a bit about it here - https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-14-situation-update-jan-14th-2021-an-astonishing-theory-fema-and-the-us-military-will-save-america-at-its-final-hour.html#

[suchmoon]

With the storming of the capital and possible pile of sealed indictments waiting for Trump to no longer be president I think there's a very real chance that Trumps days may be pretty much over.  There will always be his most loyal followers and the NY Post, but he lost all social media platforms last week and next week he loses the press corp and the biggest platform there is.  I also expect the MSM to go out of their way to not cover him and get shit when they do (and obviously shit when they don't from the muhThEMeDiA crowd).

Trumplings don't need MSM. As long as OAN is not kicked off cable they'll be fine. If Trump goes to prison it will just add martyrdom points for him. AFAIK one can run for president while being incarcerated. Campaigning might be problematic but maybe he can hold rallies through a chainlink fence.

[PrimeNumber7]

Totally has lot a lot of supporters by the way that he acted. There’s no real way to defend the actions of the President leading up to the Capitol riot because he really was the main reason that these people thought the election was stolen from him. There’s no merit to support all of these crazy claims about the voting systems, fake ballots, mail in fraud, and so on and so forth.

Donald Trump has now been impeached (again) by the House and there is a chance that he is found guilty by the Senate. i think this all highly depends on the timing of Dems sending it to the Senate. If they send it now / in the first few days of the Biden admin when Dems have control of the Senate then I think the liklihood is high as this is still news.

Though if this is sent 100 days from now or some shit like that, then there’s a pretty low chance of passing as it gives the GOP the out of ‘well this is already done and he is so far out of the Presidency, why are we even doing this’ — Plus people won’t really care at this point.

I think there are legitimate concerns about the election, but Trump's messaging was horrible. Trump was repeating unsubstantiated nonsense that likely cost the GOP the Senate after the GA runoff elections.

GOP leadership is firmly not behind Trump right now. Trump's behavior is also a risk to the future of the Republican party, so Republican leadership has good reason to not want Trump to be able to run for President in 2024. An impeachment conviction would prevent Trump from being able to run for office in 2024, and more importantly, would prevent him from running as a 3rd party candidate when he loses the Republican nomination.

Republican leadership did not "whip" votes in the Impeachment vote, and if it has not been as hurried as it was, I suspect more Republicans would have voted to impeach. There are reports that McConnel is very mad at Trump, and may go as far as to vote to convict Trump in an impeachment trial. My guess is if Trump is acquitted, it will be narrow.

[nullius]

Amplifying what I have said elsewhere, the bad-faith abuse of the 25th to remove the President would be an insurrectionary act, a transparent sham covering a coup d’État.  Trump is clearly not suffering any personal incapacity; such claims are, um, trumped-up based on the armchair diagnoses of people who dislike him.  And the political weaponization of the 25th would set a horrible precedent—not that the U.S. Constitution has meant anything for a long time, but this abuse of Constitutional provisions would be a new low.


I must quote hereby the following, because Big Tech’s censorship is inhibiting Trump from directly reaching his supporters with his anti-rioting message—at just the moment when the liar-media are endlessly repeating the absolute lie that he incited the Capitol riot.  More people need to see this.  Please spread it.

(I quote Fox News because it’s the primary source.  I typically despise Fox News as the American GOP/neocon warmonger propaganda outlet.  Boldface added.)

"In light of reports of more demonstrations, I urge that there must be NO violence, NO lawbreaking and NO vandalism of any kind," the president said in a statement to Fox News. "That is not what I stand for and it is not what America stands for. I call on ALL Americans to help ease tensions and calm tempers. Thank You."

The White House press office later sent out the statement while attempting to post it to all of Trump’s official social media accounts.

"President Trump is asking all Americans to join with him in ensuring that there is an orderly and peaceful transition next week," a senior Trump adviser told Fox News. "President Trump is also asking that Big Tech companies join with him in this effort."

The adviser added: "This is a critical time in our nation’s history and surely we can all come together to deliver this important message and not continue to play partisan politics."

Totally has lot a lot of supporters by the way that he acted.

Kind of...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/13/trump-approval-rating-poll-458602

A new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll pegs Trump’s approval at just 34 percent, the lowest in four years of tracking opinions of the president’s job performance.

Not that much off the ~40% he's usually at, is it?

According to Rasmussen (2021-01-14) [edit: archive], Trump currently has 46% approval (34% “Strongly Approve”) versus 53% disapproval (43% “Strongly Disapprove”).

I think that it’s likely that he is picking up almost as much new support as he is losing.  Hate-crazed liberals are making a martyr of him.

But anyway...

I would not trust the polling of approval ratings. The polls were far off in the 2020 election, and I have no reason to believe their accuracy has since improved.

That is an extreme understatement.

GOP leadership is firmly not behind Trump right now. Trump's behavior is also a risk to the future of the Republican party, so [...]

In 2016, Trump was supposed to be the challenger for Americans who distrusted the GOP after decades of being betrayed by them.  He has always been disliked by the corrupt career-politician GOP leadership, and especially by the neocons.  It was as much an upset for him to win the party nomination as it was for him to win the general election; but the GOP leadership had no choice but to go along, because Trump was overwhelmingly popular.

Trump was the anti-GOP candidate for Americans who wish for a viable new political party—a practical impossibility in American politics.

The only thing that has changed is that many Trump voters have recently felt as many Republicans did in the mid-90s, after Gingrich’s “Contract with America” turned out to be a pack of glib false promises.  But that does not bode well for GOP leadership:  Rather, it just means that Trump voters came to see Trump as same-old, same-old corrupt GOP.  I believe that this is why he lost the election (or perhaps better said: why he could not muster enough legitimate votes to overwhelm any ballot fraud on the other side).  And I am not just thinking this now; I predicted it in 2019.  I basically agree with Ann Coulter’s analysis of this (though I disagree with her about some other things, she is often a quite astute political observer).

(Some context on my perspective:  In 2015–16, I got called nasty names for warning Trump supporters of my prediction that he was a big talker who would break his promises.  I basically said in 2015–16 a much stronger version of what Ann Coulter started to say in 2019; and at the time, I used similar rhetoric about Trump v. Hillary as I more recently did about Trump v. Biden.)

Now, I expect that the liberal establishment making a martyr of Trump will bring back many of those disillusioned Trump supporters, in addition to gaining him many new supporters.  Whether he likes it or not, Trump is a generalized symbol of being against everything that is horribly wrong in America.  To some degree, he has always been that—it was how he upset the GOP in the first place!—but now, it is even moreso by an order of magnitude.  Perpend the fact that he is the first American president ever to be massively censored, shut down, deplatformed, and even unbanked.  How could he avoid being a symbol to those who are disgusted by the whole system?

Edit:  Added archival link for current Rasmussen poll numbers.

[TwitchySeal]

Amplifying what I have said elsewhere, the bad-faith abuse of the 25th to remove the President would be an insurrectionary act, a transparent sham covering a coup d’État.  Trump is clearly not suffering any personal incapacity; such claims are, um, trumped-up based on the armchair diagnoses of people who dislike him.  And the political weaponization of the 25th would set a horrible precedent—not that the U.S. Constitution has meant anything for a long time, but this abuse of Constitutional provisions would be a new low.


I must quote hereby the following, because Big Tech’s censorship is inhibiting Trump from directly reaching his supporters with his anti-rioting message—at just the moment when the liar-media are endlessly repeating the absolute lie that he incited the Capitol riot.  More people need to see this.  Please spread it.

(I quote Fox News because it’s the primary source.  I typically despise Fox News as the American GOP/neocon warmonger propaganda outlet.  Boldface added.)

"In light of reports of more demonstrations, I urge that there must be NO violence, NO lawbreaking and NO vandalism of any kind," the president said in a statement to Fox News. "That is not what I stand for and it is not what America stands for. I call on ALL Americans to help ease tensions and calm tempers. Thank You."

Oh wow, Trump said 'no violence plz'?  Well I guess now we know the truth.  Case closed, nice work.

[BADecker]

^^^ Of course we know the truth. It was Left rioters, often wearing MAGA caps, etc., who were doing the rioting.

[franky1]

apart from the fact that those identified are trumpettes.
even the woman who died trying to break through the door was a trumpette

however. trump has now dis-associated himself from his trumpettes and so that does not make them now leftists.. it makes them limboists. they are in limbo without an influencer. they are stuck in the realm of having no leader to support and idolise

trump wants trouble he wants drama he wants chaos but wont take responsibility for it
lesson learned last year during his 'liberate your state' which he then called the national guard in against his own trumpettes.
they should have learned then. they should learn now. following him is not a good idea

[sirazimuth]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/video-dept/a-reporters-footage-from-inside-the-capitol-siege