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March 22, 2021, 04:44:12 PM
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If you are asking about day trading v long term investing then obviously long term investment is best. The key to long term holding is your buying price. Buy at dip and HODL. Imagine a HODLer buying btc when it was 3k and selling it at 60k.
That is the easiest logic to understand what holding is. But not all of us have the same patience and tolerance through the market. It is that we are very visionary to the future of the market.

But, as said, not all of us have the same vision as we look to the market.
On many occasions Warren Buffet recommends that we can make an investment when we have studied the action that is safest and that can give benefits over the years. Of course, here he inspires those who only see the market as an investment and who are able to wait as long as it takes to take profits.

If a person is watching the market all day and can predict its movement, regardless of whether it is down or up, he can be a market speculator, trade as he wishes, whether in the short, medium or long term.

Radically people talk about investment without knowing that they must wait a long time to get profits, some become millionaires, in this market the safe action is bitcoin, there is a lot of risk when it comes to another cryptocurrency, also if we add that most of the time only there is talk of Bitcoin, and that the alts are many, the most reliable is Bitcoin. there for investment and if there is market speculator wood you can trade with alts.
Market speculators have more vision to the market.

They can have different scenarios playing on their minds if ever they'll enter to the market in a specific period of time and prices. They're likely to make profit from that action and decision that they'll do.

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March 22, 2021, 06:26:22 PM
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If you are asking about day trading v long term investing then obviously long term investment is best. The key to long term holding is your buying price. Buy at dip and HODL. Imagine a HODLer buying btc when it was 3k and selling it at 60k.
That is the easiest logic to understand what holding is. But not all of us have the same patience and tolerance through the market. It is that we are very visionary to the future of the market.

But, as said, not all of us have the same vision as we look to the market.
On many occasions Warren Buffet recommends that we can make an investment when we have studied the action that is safest and that can give benefits over the years. Of course, here he inspires those who only see the market as an investment and who are able to wait as long as it takes to take profits.

If a person is watching the market all day and can predict its movement, regardless of whether it is down or up, he can be a market speculator, trade as he wishes, whether in the short, medium or long term.

Radically people talk about investment without knowing that they must wait a long time to get profits, some become millionaires, in this market the safe action is bitcoin, there is a lot of risk when it comes to another cryptocurrency, also if we add that most of the time only there is talk of Bitcoin, and that the alts are many, the most reliable is Bitcoin. there for investment and if there is market speculator wood you can trade with alts.
Market speculators have more vision to the market.

They can have different scenarios playing on their minds if ever they'll enter to the market in a specific period of time and prices. They're likely to make profit from that action and decision that they'll do.

Well, it is relative, the market speculators are aware of every movement of the market, they can win in any direction, if the price goes down they win by going down and if they go up too, but it is only when they manage to hunt the movements, they often make mistakes, sometimes they trust each other and they also have losses, which is normal.

In the readings of the textbook by Jesse Livermore he said that no matter in which direction the market goes, the important thing is to follow the line of least resistance, if you go there you will always win, sometimes not only the degree of knowledge helps, many times intuition can make you win and sometimes good luck plays a role. What differentiates between a speculator and a market investor is that the investor only follows up and can wait as long as necessary to obtain benefits, whereas the market speculator has a life with more stress in the market, if it is medium and long term you can have some peace of mind but for those who trade "Scalping" mode it is something else, it is much more difficult to predict the movements, however knowing the market movements and doing a good technical analysis it is likely that good ones will be achieved results, but it's still pure adrenaline.

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March 22, 2021, 09:34:24 PM
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Well, it is relative, the market speculators are aware of every movement of the market, they can win in any direction, if the price goes down they win by going down and if they go up too, but it is only when they manage to hunt the movements, they often make mistakes, sometimes they trust each other and they also have losses, which is normal.
Yes.

Mistakes are inevitable but they can minimize them based on their experience and strategy that they're going to do.

IMO, that requires a lot of effort which I think I won't do and would just choose investing over trading.

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April 05, 2021, 09:17:18 PM
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In principle, there is nothing to add to what has already been ordered in this thread. I can only advise you to check everything empirically. But, try doing two different checks.
Open the charts 5 years ago and imagine that you bought a certain cryptocurrency, calculate the profit. Second, make a paper account, one investment, the second trading, and try both in practice, without losing a cent.



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April 05, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
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In principle, there is nothing to add to what has already been ordered in this thread. I can only advise you to check everything empirically. But, try doing two different checks.
Open the charts 5 years ago and imagine that you bought a certain cryptocurrency, calculate the profit. Second, make a paper account, one investment, the second trading, and try both in practice, without losing a cent.

Nice way of making out some comparison on your own if you dont really believe on others words or feedbacks then you can always make your own step and verify if its
true or not.

Honestly, i do consider trading as an investment but it do only differs on the duration and the risk you are putting with the market.They might have difference
but on general sense they are just the same.

As long it could give out the chances or opportunities for you to make money then that what really counts.

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April 05, 2021, 09:59:12 PM
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Trading consists of patience but the term is decided by us but in investing, it is decided by the person or company you invest on. In trading, a trader is a boss of his own where in an investment, your investment will be. In trading, decision is ours and daily returns are possible whether profit or loss while in investments, decision is made by the person/company and whatever the outcome is, we need to take it as it is.
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April 07, 2021, 06:49:40 AM
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Depends on if you're good at trading or not. If not then no you can make a loss too and more people might make a loss than a gain unless you're doing some "proper" analysis of what you're doing.

Investing is essentially slow trading so I'd start with that and see how you do (eg pick an altcoin to put a small investment in and see how it does - then repeat if it profits).

Yups, depending on yourself, you can trade, so do it.

If it is said that trading pays more than investment, I don't think so. Indeed, you can earn in a matter of days by trading. However, trading is usually done by experienced people. If you are still in the learning stage, I think you need to be careful if you want to start trading right away. Because, it is not easy when you lose some of your assets, and you don't know how to return them. This will be very detrimental to you. You have to be steady in understanding the current market volatility, through charts, or through the live market (news), because you are risking your assets in a very short period of time.

In contrast to investing, you put or hold your assets, wait for the market price to rise while monitoring the market volatility, and set a stop loss to guard against big losses. The bigger your investment, the more risky it is. However, if it's in a currency that promises me a sense of security - just be safe. My advice, do not invest your assets or shares in just one investment instrument. Because this can help if you run the risk of one of your investments. You will not lose everything because it is divided into several types of investments.
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April 08, 2021, 08:53:39 AM
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In my opinion I think trading is more logical that investing...
In principle, there is nothing to add to what has already been ordered in this thread. I can only advise you to check everything empirically. But, try doing two different checks.
Open the charts 5 years ago and imagine that you bought a certain cryptocurrency, calculate the profit. Second, make a paper account, one investment, the second trading, and try both in practice, without losing a cent.




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April 08, 2021, 01:50:30 PM
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But don't expect a lot from just simply earning many times.
It is small in portions because volatility of the market doesn't go more than 2x of your capital.
And not everybody is a fan of looking all day at TAs, Bollinger Band, RSI and and sorts of indicator you can think of.
Not my cup of tea at the least.
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April 08, 2021, 03:11:06 PM
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Trading or investing ..does Trading pay more than investing

I believe there are advantages to trading over investing. The fact is that by trading you can earn many times a day and it does not matter where the price goes up or down. And in investing, you bet, for example, on the fact that the asset will grow, but it may, on the contrary, fall. At the same time, when you invest, you need a lot of time to make a profit, and when trading, you can earn immediately if you see a profitable opportunity. I have already tried trading cryptocurrency and it is really more profitable than investing, although it will take more time.

By doing trade in the actual exchange site platform, there is a big chances for us to earn a lot in cryptocurrency. Although there is of course risk if we do this. But if you are confident because you are full of idea and knowledge about in trading I think there's nothing to about it. While on investing there is a big risk for this because your not sure if the investment scheme your gonna enter it will succeed in the end.
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June 23, 2021, 11:17:18 AM
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If we have full time to anlysis the market is better doing trading, because by doing it we can do compounding interest , so will be more faster the gain high reward than just investing for afew years.

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June 23, 2021, 11:50:00 AM
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Trading or investing ..does Trading pay more than investing
Trading pays you income while investing  gives you wealth. How do I mean let's say a trader who has   0.5btc if he decides to trade he would be making reasonable  profits if his analysis  goes in the direction  of the trade and if it doesn't he would record some losses and still get the value for the current price of his coin. But for an investor with same capital he only holds his coin patiently waiting  for a rise in price and makes good profit without any loss except if the coin experience  a drop in price.

For me a trader makes profit in both ways since he trades with an exchange he profits both as a trader and an investor
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Trading or investing ..does Trading pay more than investing
Trading pays you income while investing  gives you wealth. How do I mean let's say a trader who has   0.5btc if he decides to trade he would be making reasonable  profits if his analysis  goes in the direction  of the trade and if it doesn't he would record some losses and still get the value for the current price of his coin. But for an investor with same capital he only holds his coin patiently waiting  for a rise in price and makes good profit without any loss except if the coin experience  a drop in price.

For me a trader makes profit in both ways since he trades with an exchange he profits both as a trader and an investor
They are both found to be risky and it all becomes profitable if we are lucky enough. The only thing I can see that trading has the advantage over trading is that you can make money in a shorter time and even during the bear season which it makes hard when you are just holding it. And were right, losses have also close when you are trading as the disadvantage.
Well, patience could be applied both but holding needed it more. You can't hold longer times if you don't have this...makes some investors sold their coins, not in a good price.
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June 23, 2021, 12:42:02 PM
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Trading is rewarding in a short term to medium term period.  When you trade profitably , you may be tempted not to invest for long term period. The interesting thing about investing with a mindset of holding long term is that, the result of profitability seriously outweigh whatever may be gotten in a short to medium term!

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June 23, 2021, 01:56:49 PM
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well, it seems that trading is just basically a term they should also invest in, Buy and hold the same principle as investment. I will point out that cryptocurrency trading leads more to investment.
If we're investing we should also know that the price might go down and up. I don't prefer investing when the price is at the top even it's for long-term. I suggest they wait for the big dip and market correction before investing. You can buy cheaper price and you can have more tokens if you wait for the right time to buy. Trading on the other hand requires knowledge, the right positioning, and the use of indicators and fundamental analysis is one of the major factors to consider if you're a swing trade. You can get more profit in trading if you have a lot of experience about it. I guarantee that if you're not fully prepared and if you can't control your emotion, it will mess up your trading plans.

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June 23, 2021, 03:09:09 PM
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If we have full time to anlysis the market is better doing trading, because by doing it we can do compounding interest , so will be more faster the gain high reward than just investing for afew years.
Well, actually you are right, it is all depends on what people expertise in. If can analyze, it is better to pick trading because it can really help and not waste what that trader's skill. Although investing (holding in my mind) need analysis too because we can't only buy any coins carelessly and hold without know it's fundamental.

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June 23, 2021, 03:44:21 PM
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We seem to be a bit biased in our method of comparison as to if trading is better than investing. From what I've seen so far, majority of the concerns is filocused on the marginal gain or profit from the two being considered mean while, there is another way to look at it. That is, using the risk element as a factor.

Definitely, they both come with some amount of risk and depending on the type of investment one might come with a greater amount of risk than the other. Here we are talking about cryptos and so, we would base our discussions as such. Which offers more risk than the other and then, if its to note, the greater risk comes greater reward.

For me, trading comes with greater risk and as such, its got greater reward but that, doesn't make it safe.
Incesting in the other hand comes with moderate risk and the rewards ratio varies a lot mean while, it could be relatively safe.

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June 23, 2021, 03:50:15 PM
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If we have full time to anlysis the market is better doing trading, because by doing it we can do compounding interest , so will be more faster the gain high reward than just investing for afew years.
- In the opportunity will be the risk, that is what we can know about the full time option for a trader, we can compare the number of traders who can win and the traders who are lamenting the big crashes, there seems to be very few sane people, full time with no extra harvest, that just sows pressure. Investing is not a quick solution for speed, it is a way to challenge and fight psychologically with the market, ignore the market's thinking, sometimes the harvest will be better than normal trading.


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June 23, 2021, 04:01:27 PM
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Trading or investing ..does Trading pay more than investing

For me, Trading is more profitable for short term, but investing for long term is also good and with higher return if your investment is good. Actually, it depends on what you want and depends on your knowledge and capital. Trading is more risky but if you are knowledgeable in trading then it will give you a good return. Well, if you have enough capital, you can invest for long term while doing trade.

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June 23, 2021, 04:18:59 PM
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Trading or investing ..does Trading pay more than investing

For me, Trading is more profitable for short term, but investing for long term is also good and with higher return if your investment is good. Actually, it depends on what you want and depends on your knowledge and capital. Trading is more risky but if you are knowledgeable in trading then it will give you a good return. Well, if you have enough capital, you can invest for long term while doing trade.

I agree, both sides have their advantages but if you do have enough money to invest splitting between or allocating funds for both long and short-term is the best action to take.

You can split between day trading and long-term investing, it's  a matter of how good your knowledge within this venue of investment.

For those who have skills, they can see every opportunities. Buying low and hold it for long-term or it's also possible to rinse just the
same, buy low then sell when the value rises up, collecting decent amount of profits to add for your initial investment.

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