Covid-19, Lockdown and repercussions

[Ultegra134]

We're going through a similar phase, some response measures were eased in late December/January, which included the full reopening of all retail shops and even the allowance of churches during Christmas. Along with the overcrowded classrooms of schools, it led to a backfire of the pandemic in the country.

All of this happened because the government was pursuing to cut down on Covid-19 benefits for employees/shops etc and have now resulted in a third wave of the epidemic, with the country being in the worst position it has ever been.

I don't understand the point in reopening churches and schools when the services can be conducted online. I am in favor of reopening the essential services such as retail shops, but there is no need to permit churches to reopen. But I can understand the situation in developing nations, where churches make most of the policy decisions and retain a disproportionate influence on the government.

I agree about the churches, I'm an atheist myself and I find it frustrating that such things are still happening in the 21st century. However, a large percentage of the population is religious, closing churches during Christmas celebrations (Or easter's for example) would lead to a condemnation towards the government. The result, a loss of votes in the next election would be one thing.

Unfortunately, the church and the state goes together in Greece, something that the previous government tried to change but was met with great disapproval from the public.

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[Sithara007]

I agree about the churches, I'm an atheist myself and I find it frustrating that such things are still happening in the 21st century. However, a large percentage of the population is religious, closing churches during Christmas celebrations (Or easter's for example) would lead to a condemnation towards the government. The result, a loss of votes in the next election would be one thing.

Unfortunately, the church and the state goes together in Greece, something that the previous government tried to change but was met with great disapproval from the public.

I don't know about the case in other countries. But in South Korea, it was one of the church groups (Shincheonji Church of Jesus) which was responsible for bringing the infection from Wuhan and then spreading it to the general population. And even in the United States, during the initial phases there were a number of clusters concentrated around some of the churches, as the pastors ignored calls to suspend their services.

[Ultegra134]

I agree about the churches, I'm an atheist myself and I find it frustrating that such things are still happening in the 21st century. However, a large percentage of the population is religious, closing churches during Christmas celebrations (Or easter's for example) would lead to a condemnation towards the government. The result, a loss of votes in the next election would be one thing.

Unfortunately, the church and the state goes together in Greece, something that the previous government tried to change but was met with great disapproval from the public.

I don't know about the case in other countries. But in South Korea, it was one of the church groups (Shincheonji Church of Jesus) which was responsible for bringing the infection from Wuhan and then spreading it to the general population. And even in the United States, during the initial phases there were a number of clusters concentrated around some of the churches, as the pastors ignored calls to suspend their services.

The first reported deaths were some religious party who had visited Mount Othos, an Eastern Orthodox monastery. I'm not implying it started from there, but a cluster of cases has been found from Christmas religious events. The politicians never publically pointed their fingers to church, for the reasons I already explained on the previous post, instead, they blamed retail and personal responsibility.

[jaysabi]

We're going through a similar phase, some response measures were eased in late December/January, which included the full reopening of all retail shops and even the allowance of churches during Christmas. Along with the overcrowded classrooms of schools, it led to a backfire of the pandemic in the country.

All of this happened because the government was pursuing to cut down on Covid-19 benefits for employees/shops etc and have now resulted in a third wave of the epidemic, with the country being in the worst position it has ever been.

I don't understand the point in reopening churches and schools when the services can be conducted online. I am in favor of reopening the essential services such as retail shops, but there is no need to permit churches to reopen. But I can understand the situation in developing nations, where churches make most of the policy decisions and retain a disproportionate influence on the government.

Religion doesn't exactly inspire people to be logical about things, in fact it's entirely built on suspending rationale thought and just believing in things whether or not they're true.  It's the perfect example of how not to behave when lives are on the line.  But I will say it's perfectly on brand for religious folks to get angry or even violently upset over someone else not believing what they believe.

[Ultegra134]

We're going through a similar phase, some response measures were eased in late December/January, which included the full reopening of all retail shops and even the allowance of churches during Christmas. Along with the overcrowded classrooms of schools, it led to a backfire of the pandemic in the country.

All of this happened because the government was pursuing to cut down on Covid-19 benefits for employees/shops etc and have now resulted in a third wave of the epidemic, with the country being in the worst position it has ever been.

I don't understand the point in reopening churches and schools when the services can be conducted online. I am in favor of reopening the essential services such as retail shops, but there is no need to permit churches to reopen. But I can understand the situation in developing nations, where churches make most of the policy decisions and retain a disproportionate influence on the government.

Religion doesn't exactly inspire people to be logical about things, in fact it's entirely built on suspending rationale thought and just believing in things whether or not they're true.  It's the perfect example of how not to behave when lives are on the line.  But I will say it's perfectly on brand for religious folks to get angry or even violently upset over someone else not believing what they believe.

I've seen that happen quite often, religious people get way too offended if you're against something they believe in. I know people that in the peak of the pandemic, were visiting churches to receive communion. What a dumb attitude to have during a dire situation we live in, I hope their God saves them when they need an ICU bed.

[Shasha80]

What happened in Greece does not seem very different from what happened in the country I live in. In my country it is prohibited to have crowds,
therefore it is recommended by the government to buy daily necessities online. And some shops that sell daily necessities open later at 10.00 AM.
and closes early at 7.00 PM. And also some offices reduce the number of their employees, and some offices reduce the salaries of their workers too.
The impact of COVID-19 and lockdown is indeed very large, therefore I hope that the COVID-19 pandemic will end soon. If not, the world would be
more chaotic.

[bryant.coleman]

Religion doesn't exactly inspire people to be logical about things, in fact it's entirely built on suspending rationale thought and just believing in things whether or not they're true.  It's the perfect example of how not to behave when lives are on the line.  But I will say it's perfectly on brand for religious folks to get angry or even violently upset over someone else not believing what they believe.

I would agree. At least as far as the COVID 19 pandemic is concerned, many of the organized religions had a negative impact on the containment efforts. From Brazil to Philippines, we are hearing stories about clerics asking their followers to ignore social distancing and refuse vaccination. Without these unnecessary interventions from the religious groups, the death toll from COVID 19 would have been much lower.

[Ultegra134]

Religion doesn't exactly inspire people to be logical about things, in fact it's entirely built on suspending rationale thought and just believing in things whether or not they're true.  It's the perfect example of how not to behave when lives are on the line.  But I will say it's perfectly on brand for religious folks to get angry or even violently upset over someone else not believing what they believe.

I would agree. At least as far as the COVID 19 pandemic is concerned, many of the organized religions had a negative impact on the containment efforts. From Brazil to Philippines, we are hearing stories about clerics asking their followers to ignore social distancing and refuse vaccination. Without these unnecessary interventions from the religious groups, the death toll from COVID 19 would have been much lower.

Such events have also happened here, many priests advised against the usage of masks, vaccines and any measures to tackle the transmission. Let's not mention that some churches completely ignored any taken measures and filled the churches with masses of people with little action taken against them.

Especially the elderly won't give up on going to the church easily. It's funny, you can shop online, work online, sign paperwork and so on, but these people can't stay at home and pray, while remaining in the safety of their own home.

[qwertyup23]

Religion doesn't exactly inspire people to be logical about things, in fact it's entirely built on suspending rationale thought and just believing in things whether or not they're true.  It's the perfect example of how not to behave when lives are on the line.  But I will say it's perfectly on brand for religious folks to get angry or even violently upset over someone else not believing what they believe.

I would agree. At least as far as the COVID 19 pandemic is concerned, many of the organized religions had a negative impact on the containment efforts. From Brazil to Philippines, we are hearing stories about clerics asking their followers to ignore social distancing and refuse vaccination. Without these unnecessary interventions from the religious groups, the death toll from COVID 19 would have been much lower.

I think there was a case here in the Philippines were a parish priest who conducted mass died of Covid-19 and the church in which he held the mass resulted into a lockdown. In addition, the clergymen of the said church also tested positive in the virus.

Unfortunately, most people got too complacent with their daily endeavors. Even with the presence of the vaccine, it does not ABSOLUTELY guarantee that one is immune from acquiring the said virus. Worst, the acquisition of the vaccine is on the hands of the government, in which if the latter acts slow then the cases will definitely spike.

I do hope that people should be extra careful in this second wave of the virus. With new variants being discovered each day, who knows when would be the end of this nightmare of a situation globally.

[cheezcarls]

Religion doesn't exactly inspire people to be logical about things, in fact it's entirely built on suspending rationale thought and just believing in things whether or not they're true.  It's the perfect example of how not to behave when lives are on the line.  But I will say it's perfectly on brand for religious folks to get angry or even violently upset over someone else not believing what they believe.

I would agree. At least as far as the COVID 19 pandemic is concerned, many of the organized religions had a negative impact on the containment efforts. From Brazil to Philippines, we are hearing stories about clerics asking their followers to ignore social distancing and refuse vaccination. Without these unnecessary interventions from the religious groups, the death toll from COVID 19 would have been much lower.

I think there was a case here in the Philippines were a parish priest who conducted mass died of Covid-19 and the church in which he held the mass resulted into a lockdown. In addition, the clergymen of the said church also tested positive in the virus.

Unfortunately, most people got too complacent with their daily endeavors. Even with the presence of the vaccine, it does not ABSOLUTELY guarantee that one is immune from acquiring the said virus. Worst, the acquisition of the vaccine is on the hands of the government, in which if the latter acts slow then the cases will definitely spike.

I do hope that people should be extra careful in this second wave of the virus. With new variants being discovered each day, who knows when would be the end of this nightmare of a situation globally.

And yet here we are averaging more than 7k to 8k cases per day. There are analysts who claimed that COVID-19 is seasonal. If they are right about that, regular vaccinations are needed. As of today, we are still long ways to go before we could achieve herd immunity.

In my city, I am also disappointed with some groups who choose to do private mass gatherings for their business presentations without practicing social distancing, wearing of face masks, etc., (you know network marketing stuff). As a result, average cases continue rising and it won't stop for sure. Public use of vaccines is still a long way to go like Astrazeneca, Sinovac, etc.

I would rule out traveling on inter-islands this year unless some miracle happens. This would be a second wave for sure despite the Department of Health isn't ruling out on this yet.

[Fatunad]

Religion doesn't exactly inspire people to be logical about things, in fact it's entirely built on suspending rationale thought and just believing in things whether or not they're true.  It's the perfect example of how not to behave when lives are on the line.  But I will say it's perfectly on brand for religious folks to get angry or even violently upset over someone else not believing what they believe.

I would agree. At least as far as the COVID 19 pandemic is concerned, many of the organized religions had a negative impact on the containment efforts. From Brazil to Philippines, we are hearing stories about clerics asking their followers to ignore social distancing and refuse vaccination. Without these unnecessary interventions from the religious groups, the death toll from COVID 19 would have been much lower.

I think there was a case here in the Philippines were a parish priest who conducted mass died of Covid-19 and the church in which he held the mass resulted into a lockdown. In addition, the clergymen of the said church also tested positive in the virus.

Unfortunately, most people got too complacent with their daily endeavors. Even with the presence of the vaccine, it does not ABSOLUTELY guarantee that one is immune from acquiring the said virus. Worst, the acquisition of the vaccine is on the hands of the government, in which if the latter acts slow then the cases will definitely spike.

I do hope that people should be extra careful in this second wave of the virus. With new variants being discovered each day, who knows when would be the end of this nightmare of a situation globally.

People did really got confident that they might able to handle out the said virus since now that vaccine is already available but same as you mentioned that this wont really be preventing us for us to get infected
or does give 100% guarantee but people do have made wrong decisions instead of strictly following health protocols which would really result into a disaster or typical increase of infected persons.
Discipline on ones self plus strict implementation of rules and regulations of health protocols should be followed and be handled that properly.We wont really be ending up this
situation if people would really be having that kind of behavior or mindset until the cure would come out.

[Finestream]

What happened in Greece does not seem very different from what happened in the country I live in. In my country it is prohibited to have crowds,
therefore it is recommended by the government to buy daily necessities online. And some shops that sell daily necessities open later at 10.00 AM.
and closes early at 7.00 PM. And also some offices reduce the number of their employees, and some offices reduce the salaries of their workers too.
The impact of COVID-19 and lockdown is indeed very large, therefore I hope that the COVID-19 pandemic will end soon. If not, the world would be
more chaotic.

Exactly. This covid 19 pandemic will definitely leave negative remarks to every country as it affects all the aspects to live a normal life. Lot of people have struggle to find jobs for their own and when this pandemic came, everyone loses their jobs in a sudden. Even big and established companies have greatly affected and resulted into closure which loses the jobs of millions of people.

[AndySt]

People did really got confident that they might able to handle out the said virus since now that vaccine is already available but same as you mentioned that this wont really be preventing us for us to get infected or does give 100% guarantee but people do have made wrong decisions instead of strictly following health protocols which would really result into a disaster or typical increase of infected persons.
Discipline on ones self plus strict implementation of rules and regulations of health protocols should be followed and be handled that properly.We wont really be ending up this
situation if people would really be having that kind of behavior or mindset until the cure would come out.

On the one hand, it is clear that people are already beginning to lose patience, money, and standard of living due to the ongoing lockdowns, not fully understood stories with vaccination and the vaccines themselves. On the other hand, the pandemic has not yet receded much, and indeed the population should show patience and endurance in the face of the challenges that have come. The main reason for all the restrictions imposed is not the high contagion of the virus, but more severe consequences for health and, most importantly, for people's lives.

[Sithara007]

On the one hand, it is clear that people are already beginning to lose patience, money, and standard of living due to the ongoing lockdowns, not fully understood stories with vaccination and the vaccines themselves. On the other hand, the pandemic has not yet receded much, and indeed the population should show patience and endurance in the face of the challenges that have come. The main reason for all the restrictions imposed is not the high contagion of the virus, but more severe consequences for health and, most importantly, for people's lives.

Already one year has passed and there is no end in sight for this pandemic. The vaccination program is also going forward at a very slow pace in most of the countries (with a few exceptions such as Israel, Seychelles and the United Kingdom). Some people (especially those in their teens and 20s) are losing their patience and going out despite the obvious risks. The problem is that these youngsters will get themselves infected and then pass on the virus to their elderly relatives. 

[Ultegra134]

On the one hand, it is clear that people are already beginning to lose patience, money, and standard of living due to the ongoing lockdowns, not fully understood stories with vaccination and the vaccines themselves. On the other hand, the pandemic has not yet receded much, and indeed the population should show patience and endurance in the face of the challenges that have come. The main reason for all the restrictions imposed is not the high contagion of the virus, but more severe consequences for health and, most importantly, for people's lives.

Already one year has passed and there is no end in sight for this pandemic. The vaccination program is also going forward at a very slow pace in most of the countries (with a few exceptions such as Israel, Seychelles and the United Kingdom). Some people (especially those in their teens and 20s) are losing their patience and going out despite the obvious risks. The problem is that these youngsters will get themselves infected and then pass on the virus to their elderly relatives. 

The population is getting tired of the lockdown measures, so am I, but there's nothing else that can be done at this point. We need to be patient. In my opinion, what you described has led to a respectively large amount of deaths and cases. Especially deriving from schools, younger children can easily pass the disease to their parents/grandparents, with a cluster of cases starting from there.

[bryant.coleman]

The population is getting tired of the lockdown measures, so am I, but there's nothing else that can be done at this point. We need to be patient. In my opinion, what you described has led to a respectively large amount of deaths and cases. Especially deriving from schools, younger children can easily pass the disease to their parents/grandparents, with a cluster of cases starting from there.

Among the young people, the mortality rate from COVID 19 is very low (around 0.1% to 0.2%), and therefore they are quite careless as far as protective mechanisms are concerned. Even in my country, I have seen a lot of youngsters roaming around without face masks. But they need to remember that they are not immune to the virus. There have been deaths among the younger people as well (although in smaller numbers).

[Ultegra134]

The population is getting tired of the lockdown measures, so am I, but there's nothing else that can be done at this point. We need to be patient. In my opinion, what you described has led to a respectively large amount of deaths and cases. Especially deriving from schools, younger children can easily pass the disease to their parents/grandparents, with a cluster of cases starting from there.

Among the young people, the mortality rate from COVID 19 is very low (around 0.1% to 0.2%), and therefore they are quite careless as far as protective mechanisms are concerned. Even in my country, I have seen a lot of youngsters roaming around without face masks. But they need to remember that they are not immune to the virus. There have been deaths among the younger people as well (although in smaller numbers).

The mortality rate among the young isn't the main concern here, it's definitely not insignificant, but that's not our main issue here. The main concern is that younger people are contributing to the wide transmission, thus leading to a cluster of both cases and deaths (especially the elderly)

[livingfree]

Exactly. This covid 19 pandemic will definitely leave negative remarks to every country as it affects all the aspects to live a normal life. Lot of people have struggle to find jobs for their own and when this pandemic came, everyone loses their jobs in a sudden. Even big and established companies have greatly affected and resulted into closure which loses the jobs of millions of people.

For those countries that have hard time dealing with it. Flattening the curve is hard and that's really making their economies struggling.

Many have lost jobs and businesses have closed and went into bankrupt. That's one of the effect that we cannot really forget as the result of this pandemic.

People lost jobs means that there will many that have to deal with hunger because that can also effect them having no food to bring into their table.

[MCobian]

It has been about a year since the COVID-19 pandemic is still running, and there is no sign that this pandemic is coming to an end. Already many
people are frustrated and stressed by the current conditions, because it must be admitted that it is very difficult to find a job  in a situation like now.
Even in some countries the number of poor people continues to increase, this is truly catastrophic. Therefore,  it is very fortunate for people who
are familiar with Bitcoin, because Bitcoin can be an alternative source of income in a situation like now.

[Sithara007]

It has been about a year since the COVID-19 pandemic is still running, and there is no sign that this pandemic is coming to an end. Already many
people are frustrated and stressed by the current conditions, because it must be admitted that it is very difficult to find a job  in a situation like now.
Even in some countries the number of poor people continues to increase, this is truly catastrophic. Therefore,  it is very fortunate for people who
are familiar with Bitcoin, because Bitcoin can be an alternative source of income in a situation like now.

Actually rather than getting contained, the pandemic is getting even worse. Yesterday I read a news article, that claimed that the new strain that was found in Brazil can infect even those who have been vaccinated against COVID 19. If this is true, then we will be in big trouble. Right now there are a lot of expectation from the vaccination program, and it is one of the reasons behind the recent dip in deaths reported from some of the countries, such as the United Kingdom and Israel.