Solved by sportbet

[aziamio7]

Website: www.sportsbet.io
Sportsbet username: aziamio7
What happen: Sportsbet ban my account $8080

Below are screenshots from support. They accused me for multi account and ban my account. But I am only using one account and don't know others account.















All picture: https://imgur.com/a/VZGwqmY

Please unban my account and return my money.

[wildan88]

There could be several reasons why they came to this conclusion. How much have you deposited and wagered? And have you used a VPN connection? usually, when using a double account, you will get the money back from your deposit.

[acroman08]

did you use a VPN? there have been cases before where users that had been accused of multi-accounting after using a public VPN. this could be another case of that.

I suggest following this format

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[b][color=black]What happened:: [/color][/b]

[b][color=black]Scammers Profile Link: [/color][/b]

[b][color=black]Reference Link: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Amount Scammed: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Payment Method: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Proof of Payment: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]PM/Chat Logs: [/color][/b]
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[aziamio7]

There could be several reasons why they came to this conclusion. How much have you deposited and wagered? And have you used a VPN connection? usually, when using a double account, you will get the money back from your deposit.

i am not a VPN user. I have no more sportsbet account. Their team member is liar. Please help me.

[NotATether]

Well they said you're breaching their rule 17.1 so check that out.



If you were banned from there before and you made another account to evade that ban, they will block your new account too.

Placing arbitrage bets, depositing money that came from an address flagged as associated with illegal activity (I suppose this is to stop scammers from "playing" or just mixing with their stolen money) and running a gambling script to cheat Sportsbet are also reasons they'd close your account.

i am not a VPN user. I have no more sportsbet account. Their team member is liar. Please help me.

What is your connection between you and tipu365, robin365, monir777 and MDABDUS, your alleged alt accounts?

[aziamio7]

Someone PM me to solve my issue.
Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=756924

You do not have to expekt much help on the forum.
Sportsbet.io owns the forum and the forum is corrupt.
Maybe I have some ideas to help you. But we have to talk in private like telegram.

I think he is trying to scamming me again. I am honest and I want to go with honest way.

[Jawhead999]

I think he is trying to scamming me again. I am honest and I want to go with honest way.

Talking outside of the forum especially using telegram is most likely a scammer since on telegram you can edited or delete all the entire chat.

What is your connection between you and tipu365, robin365, monir777 and MDABDUS, your alleged alt accounts?

I don't know who are they. Why not ask them to verify account or ban them. Why banned my account. I didn't broke any rules. How they detect alt account I don't have idea.

I tend to agree if @sportsbet.io need to ask them to verify those 4 accounts that they detect as your alt.

Besides of multiple accounts, did you have break the other rules of 17.1 above? By using illegal money or something script to cheat.

[DireWolfM14]

Someone PM me to solve my issue.
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I think he is trying to scamming me again. I am honest and I want to go with honest way.

Don't trust MI6, he's a shill for a competing sportsbook that has legitimate scam accusations against them.

There are only a few ways I can think of that sportsbet.io would connect your account to those others, and in your case it's likely your IP address.  Are you using a public internet connection to access sportsbet.io?  Are there others who have access to your wifi?  If so, have you been colluding with others to coordinate your wagers?

[aziamio7]

Someone PM me to solve my issue.
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I think he is trying to scamming me again. I am honest and I want to go with honest way.

Don't trust MI6, he's a shill for a competing sportsbook that has legitimate scam accusations against them.

There are only a few ways I can think of that sportsbet.io would connect your account to those others, and in your case it's likely your IP address.  Are you using a public internet connection to access sportsbet.io?  Are there others who have access to your wifi?  If so, have you been colluding with others to coordinate your wagers?

Most people in our country use shared ip, because it's cheap. Yes, I am using public wifi also if go somewhere. I am honest, I don't know other account and don't know how they connected with me. No coordinate with any other account. I have only single account. Yes, others have access of my wifi. If some relatives or friends come in house they use my wifi. Also some neighbors have access of my wifi.

[Cacingkemi]

Someone PM me to solve my issue.
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I think he is trying to scamming me again. I am honest and I want to go with honest way.

Don't trust MI6, he's a shill for a competing sportsbook that has legitimate scam accusations against them.

There are only a few ways I can think of that sportsbet.io would connect your account to those others, and in your case it's likely your IP address.  Are you using a public internet connection to access sportsbet.io?  Are there others who have access to your wifi?  If so, have you been colluding with others to coordinate your wagers?

So far what we can judge it is sportsbet.io only that is scamming at the moment.
I am pretty sure that this user is not using multiple accounts and that sportsbet just want to take the 8800 usd easily with bullshit arguments.
MI6 is right, there is to much corruption on the forum.

[owlcatz]

And you are working for sportsbet.io, which scammed him. So obviously he should not listen to you.

Quit double-posting. And we already know Direwolf is way more trustworthy than you are, so gtfo.

[Jawhead999]

And you are working for sportsbet.io, which scammed him. So obviously he should not listen to you.

Better to do own introspection first rather than judging someone

How about you? Just a paid shills of Adkindsbet and defending them which is clearly has scamming many gamblers.

[sportsbet.io]

Hi guys,

Let me look into this for you.. Ill be back shortly.

Just for the people who don't know.. we at Sportsbet.io do not own any forums. Infact, unlike other forum users, we have a open thread and are happy for people to post opinions and views on them. We just trust that they shall be realistic and true. We know that always doesn't happen.

Also, we do NOT have a self-moderated thread. We will not ever open up a self-moderated thread either. I am 100% against this and will not ever do this.

Back shortly fellas.

regards,

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

[The Cryptovator]

I strongly believe OP isn't laying in this case and most probably the problem happened due to the broadband issue (realized from all discussion). As far as I know, there are two types of broadband connect shared and dedicated IP. A shared IP connection would be the same IP under a single internet service provider. I am not sure but the most likely website would detect such as connection as the same IP. Even me, I am using shared IP for my broadband. Because dedicated IP is quite expensive here. Since OP complied with KYC procedures and didn't cheat any other way, Sportsbet shouldn't ban the account due to IP detection. Sportsbet should ask also other accounts to verify, if failed then that accounts should ban either there is a fund or not.

I Hope Steve will solve this issue as soon as possible since you already aware of this case. @OP, just stay calm,  Steve is enough friendly to resolve such as issue.

I am curious and following this thread to see the solution.

[DireWolfM14]

And you are working for sportsbet.io, which scammed him. So obviously he should not listen to you.

So, because I work for sportsbet I'm not allowed to ask the OP some questions?  Questions that may help him and sportsbet find a discrepancy and potential solution?

MI6 sent the OP a PM full of misinformation, obviously intended on slandering sportsbet.  The scam accusations against both sportsbooks are out in the open for all to see.  All I did was inform the OP of the facts.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Their team member is liar. Please help me.

Yeah, sure, Steve the massive liar!

Yes, others have access of my wifi. If some relatives or friends come in house they use my wifi. Also some neighbors have access of my wifi.

Dude, this is how about 99% of multi accounting cases begin.

I strongly believe OP isn't laying in this case

Come on man, what makes you think that?  Because he's a first time poster blaming one of the the most respectable and trustworthy sportsbooks?

Since OP complied with KYC procedures and didn't cheat any other way

How can you be so confident of that?
Fake docs are all over the internet and he's already been linked to other SB accounts.

Sportsbet shouldn't ban the account due to IP detection.

Does that conclusion come from your extensive years of cyber security? It doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.  
What would you recommend, that Sportsbet just continue to allow the user to multi account?

I think we should wait for the SB investigation before taking sides.
Steve has already responded to this accusation; I don't think anymore shit posting about speculation to earn campaign sats is a good idea.

[The Cryptovator]

Come on man, what makes you think that?  Because he's a first time poster blaming one of the the most respectable and trustworthy sportsbooks?

Hadn't more accusations created against Sportsbet? And hadn't you notice they solved the issue as well? I am not saying Sportsbet isn't trustworthy, it doesn't mean there wouldn't a problem. If there are problems then there is a solution at the same time.

How can you be so confident of that?
Fake docs are all over the internet and he's already been linked to other SB accounts.

You are right, but how you be so confident OP used fake documents? I know fake documents all over the internet it doesn't mean all verified accounts on the Sportsbet platform are fake.

Does that conclusion come from your extensive years of cyber security? It doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.  
What would you recommend, that Sportsbet just continue to allow the user to multi account?

Did I ask something like that? Why only is that action taking after making a deposit and after wining? It wouldn't detect during registration? Why allowing users to create multiple accounts from the same IP? Shouldn't they provide an appropriate explanation of how and when IP has been detected?

I think we should wait for the SB investigation before taking sides.
Steve has already responded to this accusation; I don't think anymore shit posting about speculation to earn campaign sats is a good idea.

Same here, we should wait and you should wait as well for the investigation. Posting here doesn't mean everyone just posting for the campaign. I express the possible problems and solutions. Nowadays most of the casinos using very cheap tricks to ban account with false multi-account accusations. I believe many stories exist on the forum, for example, you may see a 1xbet resolution thread.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

@Coolcryptovator

There are zero unsolved scam accusations against sportsbet.io made on bitcointalk.

I don’t know why you say you believe the OP dude, sorry.
As a betting man, I’d say the odds are significantly leaning towards the OP having broken T&C’s.

I don’t think it’s fair to compare SB with the scam factory that is 1xbet.

I’m looking forward to seeing Steve’s response.

[The Cryptovator]

There are zero unsolved scam accusations against sportsbet.io made on bitcointalk.

I told the same thing above.

I don’t know why you say you believe the OP dude, sorry.
As a betting man, I’d say the odds are significantly leaning towards the OP having broken T&C’s.

I didn't say OP can't break the T&C. There is something that OP had made a mistake and most probably that's why the system detects it.

I don’t think it’s fair to compare SB with the scam factory that is 1xbet.

I didn't compare exactly, I mentioned that how casinos blaming for multi-account and closing accounts with the funds.

I’m looking forward to seeing Steve’s response.

Yea, it's better than argue between ourselves.

[gadado]

So Sportsbet.io claims this user has created multiple account.
First of all: Why would he do that?

And if he really did this, how handles sportsbet the situation when they detected he created the second account?
Considering sportsbet is a long time in this business, they should have software that would detect the moment the second account was created from the same ip address.
Then hey should inform the user.
Does not make any sense to make 4 accounts and with the last account deposit 8k, who in earth would do that after already created accounts before?

[Insanerman]

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Sportsbet.io is a reputable gambling platform that is on a long run and still haven't had any lapses and accusations that lasts for a long time nor was proven by anyone. The only problem I see in this issue is that they've verified your account and looked it up on either their own list of banned users or external list of people that has issues and/or accusations with regards to money laundering and etc. I am not accusing you that you done bad things in real life, yet there can be instances that some users seeks to use online platform yet had been detected by such platform that that person has a bad history with regards to money or whatnot. Again, that's just my honest judgement and opinion.

Nonetheless, better be calm and just stand firm, as long as you know you never met the prohibition that they mentioned in the rule they pointed out their response.

[MI6]

Did the user in question received his money?

[wildan88]

Did the user in question received his money?

Probably not. Very surprising that everybody is on the hand of Sportsbet.io while they clearly scammed here.
When another bookmaker would do things like this, they would receive a yellow or red card right away.

[aziamio7]

This picture is of KYC verification confirmation.



They sportsbet not detect multi account when they verified KYC. Why locking my account after make deposit when I am win.

[coin.princess]

This picture is of KYC verification confirmation.



They sportsbet not detect multi account when they verified KYC. Why locking my account after make deposit when I am win.

If they wrote that the KYC was completed, then it is impossible that you have more accounts.
I would also like to know from Sportsbet based on which terms did user was accused for multi accounting.
And why was the user able to create more accounts, and sportsbet only jump to the conclusion on the moment he has 8800$ in his account.
If he really owns 4 accounts, why did you guys not inform him when he made his second account? Your software should be able to detect that easily.
OP should be paid in full in this situation. If they refuse to pay you, I suggest to contact the master license holder and the gambling commission if they confiscate the funds.

[scammed-by-nitro]

I hope he gets his money but its funny how all the paid Adkinsbet tools comment here he should get paid.

The website you advertise is the biggest scam site at the moment and even stopped replying here and yet you still promote them, hahaha.

[BitcoinAccepted]

I hope he gets his money but its funny how all the paid Adkinsbet tools comment here he should get paid.

The website you advertise is the biggest scam site at the moment and even stopped replying here and yet you still promote them, hahaha.

Maybe you should check the internet how many people are scammed by sportsbet.

By the way, your message is completely off topic. This topic is about sportsbet, not about Adkinsbet.

The facts speak for themselves. Pretty sure that he did not make more accounts. Just an argument from Sportsbet to avoid paying.

Op should continue until he get his money.

[Cacingkemi]

Sportsbet has to many corrupt connections on the forum. That is why they just can continue with their "business".
I am not even surprised that people like jollygood not even reply on here. Actmyname same story. On the moment they go negative, they will get tagged and they are scared to post negative.

[DireWolfM14]

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Look princess, not you nor your army of alts is going to discredit sportsbet.io.  They're in a completely different realm than you and your scam, there's no comparison.  It's physically and metaphysically impossible for someone in your position to effect their reputation.  So, you might as well give up on the fantasy.

The website you advertise is the biggest scam site at the moment and even stopped replying here and yet you still promote them, hahaha.

Don't confuse what these users are doing with advertising.  These are not paid advertisers, they are almost certain to be alt accounts of the scammer behind adkinsbet.  Not one person on this forum who has any hope of preserving their reputation would wear that signature or avatar.

[wildan88]

You guys only confirmed the conspiracy on the forum by defending Sportbset
Let's not deviate from the subject: Sportsbet.io scammed me $8080

[actmyname]

I am not even surprised that people like jollygood not even reply on here. Actmyname same story. On the moment they go negative, they will get tagged and they are scared to post negative.

I fail to see what relevance JollyGood and my name have here. I am waiting for the reply from Sportsbet.io as I would prefer that this thread follow a streamlined correspondence and dialogue. After all, are JollyGood or I expected to respond to all new threads every single time they pop up? When you made your reply, it had only been about a day and a half since the topic was posted - rather than project malicious intent onto us, are there not countless alternative reasons for why we didn't respond?

It is better for both parties if ad hominem was not used and if all participants of the thread could stick to the actual content of the posts.

The same casual defense of ToS-based clauses is also something that needs to be addressed - they should not have absolute power and consumers should be protected against abuse of the system.

[The Cryptovator]

wildan88, gadado, Cacingkemi, BitcoinAccepted, coin.princess & MI6, personal attack? Or shilling for Adkinsbet? You can see Steve already replied on that thread, which means he took over the case. I think he investigating the whole thing deeply and he will back with a resolution. I don't think anyone should attack personally for their own benefit. I will suggest everyone please stay on topic and wait for Steve's reply. Then we may come to a conclusion.

[scammed-by-nitro]

I hope he gets his money but its funny how all the paid Adkinsbet tools comment here he should get paid.

The website you advertise is the biggest scam site at the moment and even stopped replying here and yet you still promote them, hahaha.

Maybe you should check the internet how many people are scammed by sportsbet.

By the way, your message is completely off topic. This topic is about sportsbet, not about Adkinsbet.

The facts speak for themselves. Pretty sure that he did not make more accounts. Just an argument from Sportsbet to avoid paying.

Op should continue until he get his money.

EVERYTHING a bought account says is offtopic so please go back to advertising adkinsbet. bye

Good luck to the OP, if everything is clean from your end I hope you get paid!

[Cacingkemi]

It looks like this issue is still not resolved and the accusation remains open?
op should receive his 8800$ in full.

[BitcoinAccepted]

It looks like this issue is still not resolved and the accusation remains open?
op should receive his 8800$ in full.

Yes, should paid in full.

I do not think they will pay him though. On the moment they can take the money, they will not hesitate to do so.

The argument that the op has 4 accounts in total is very strange.

They could have inform him also after the 2nd account for example.

Op does have only 1 account and now sportsbet is avoiding ways to pay him.

[TalkStar]

Every gambling platforms real asset is their user. Honest and professional gambling platforms always give priority to their regular gamblers who generate ROI for them on a regular basis. All we know Sportbet is a popular gambling  destination for worldwide crypto oriented sports betting lovers and as far as i know they are delivering overall good service to platform users. Getting accusation against gambling platforms is not a new thing and i never like to reach on a decision before hearing the full story. In most cases user make baseless accusations and want to prove platform authority is not doing the right thing but it doesn’t mean every time victims are making false accusation. Mistakes can be done from both sides and it can happen when a platform is handling millions of users.

Taking anyone’s side isn’t a good option here where its necessary to bring the justice and Justice for both side. Sportbet authority have already made their response here and in a situation like this we can only take our actions after getting their final reply.

I am little bit surprised after seeing some users reply here where one group is trying to defend on be half of Sportbet and another group is trying to make us believe that victim is right here. I wanna tell both side to stay calm and observing until we get clear actually what happened with thread creator.

• How can we believe that OP haven’t broke sportbet terms and conditions?
• How can we get so clear that sportbet haven’t made mistakes from their end and locked OP's account without valid reason?

I will suggest everyone not to make early decision before having the final reply from Steve.

Note: This forum never support scammers and everyone here always trying to bring Justice. Specially for this case justice for user or Platform authority.

[ScamViruS]

It looks like this issue is still not resolved and the accusation remains open?
op should receive his 8800$ in full.

Yes, should paid in full.

I do not think they will pay him though. On the moment they can take the money, they will not hesitate to do so.
The argument that the op has 4 accounts in total is very strange.
They could have inform him also after the 2nd account for example.
Op does have only 1 account and now sportsbet is avoiding ways to pay him.

Give them enough time to investigate, because what I see here is that it will take time. Op gave here all the evidence he had and all were real. I am waiting to see how Sportsbet proves that Sportsbet has blocked OP's account for violating the rules. The amount with which op's account has been blocked is a huge amount for an ordinary gambler. Now sportsbet's reply will actually understand what they got after investigation. So there will be no benefit in discussing anything other than the this topic.

[aziamio7]

I am waiting.....😥😥😥

[acroman08]

I am waiting.....😥😥😥

be patient. as a member actively visiting scam accusations and seeing a lot of complaints against gambling casinos it takes several days before a casino staff/representative replies. seeing that sportbet.io already contacted you it will only be a matter of time before they tell you what the result of their investigation. Goodluck!

[Cacingkemi]

I am waiting.....😥😥😥

Why does such a simple thing has to take so long? Just pay the op his money that he deserves.

He is already waiting for a week now I think? And waiting on what?
It could not be to difficult to pay this guy the 8800 that belongs to him.

[sportsbet.io]

wildan88, gadado, Cacingkemi, BitcoinAccepted, coin.princess & MI6, personal attack? Or shilling for Adkinsbet? You can see Steve already replied on that thread, which means he took over the case. I think he investigating the whole thing deeply and he will back with a resolution. I don't think anyone should attack personally for their own benefit. I will suggest everyone please stay on topic and wait for Steve's reply. Then we may come to a conclusion.

Hi Coolcryptovator + others,

Quick Update:
In regards to the 8,000 confiscated from the customer.. yes Coolcryptovator, this is exactly what is happening, I need to look at all the evidence enough to overturn my own company's decision basically. A few other things have popped up and all of a sudden its monday.

I have contacted the user via PM a couple of times and at this stage this is where we are.


On a separate matter, It has come to my attention that there is some misleading thoughts from these AdkinsBet signature wearing guys.

My understanding is that they feel sportsbet.io are paying people to directly attack them, mainly on their own 5 outstanding scam accusations. I think we all know that this is NOT the case.
We have never paid anyone to attack anyone and never will. Considering we have had stability issues in peak periods during the month of January.. It would be completely dumb of us to start having a crack at other sportsbooks.
AdkinsBet signature wearers have made some massively inaccurate accusations towards independent and respected accounts on this BTCTalk forum and they just do not seem to understand the setup.

Its disappointing AdkinsBet has announced that it is leaving the BTCtalk family, but all the best to them.

Ill be back in touch about the scamming allegation shortly.

thanks guys.

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

[TalkStar]

Hi Coolcryptovator + others,

Quick Update:
In regards to the 8,000 confiscated from the customer.. yes Coolcryptovator, this is exactly what is happening, I need to look at all the evidence enough to overturn my own company's decision basically. A few other things have popped up and all of a sudden its monday.

I have contacted the user via PM a couple of times and at this stage this is where we are.

After having your update i think no one will be interested to bump this topic (without spammers). Good to hear that you have already contacted that user and maintaining your discussion.

I will suggest you to solve this issue as early as possible which will definitely help you to concentrate on your business.

On a separate matter, It has come to my attention that there is some misleading thoughts from these AdkinsBet signature wearing guys.

My understanding is that they feel sportsbet.io are paying people to directly attack them, mainly on their own 5 outstanding scam accusations.

Let them think by using their own brain and no one can't change someone's mind if they don’t want to keep patience. Joining campaign or wearning a signature doesn’t mean that signature owners are giving weekly payments to support them blindly. Its completely depend on participants and only they can stop spammers from spreading lies.

[The Cryptovator]

Quick Update:
In regards to the 8,000 confiscated from the customer.. yes Coolcryptovator, this is exactly what is happening, I need to look at all the evidence enough to overturn my own company's decision basically. A few other things have popped up and all of a sudden its monday.

Good to hear from you. I have to admit it's quite a lengthy process to review an account for second times where need verify all the evidence provided by OP. It is better to know that my assumptions were true which would lead to a positive outcome for OP. Don't be scared of the personal attack by the Adkinsbet army. The community will never support anyone who will abuse the forum system and advertise their own platform by attacking someone else wouldn't be a good practice. But a constructive discussion on the topic should be appreciated as well.

Since Steve already connected OP via PM so I think OP should stay calm and wait for a final decision.

[BitcoinAccepted]

Thieves never dare to speak in front of people.... He is a liar and a deceiver.. Or why he is not clearing the matter in front of people

What do you expekt? People warned how corrupt the forum is.

But it seems you do not want to listen.

[Slow death]

Ill be back in touch about the scamming allegation shortly.

today Is friday, was the case resolved or not? in these cases it would be more prudent that in the future they would be faster in resolving, imagine having to spend many days in anguish if the person will have their problem solved or not! anyone is stressed about it. I like sportsbet and I think it is in my opinion the best sports betting site, so you have to create conditions so that problems like these can be solved quickly, I understand that they are complex things, but there must be some mechanism to speed up the resolution

Thieves never dare to speak in front of people.... He is a liar and a deceiver.. Or why he is not clearing the matter in front of people

What do you expekt? People warned how corrupt the forum is.

But it seems you do not want to listen.

it seems to me that OP deleted the post, but I am not corrupt and I am neutral. I do not let emotions determine my judgment and these cases are always complex...

[aziamio7]

Finally, Sportsbet.io defrauded me.

We have exchanged numerous messages through PM, however, the result isn't anything. Steve just constrained me to concede any mistake and his suspection my KYC was fake. How ridiculous that during KYC confirmation they didn't saw my KYC was fake, now accusing that. Indeed, even I was consent to provide documents again then Steve just quit answering me. Sportsbet.io not giving any legitimate motivation behind account lock.

Steve simply answering I have withdrawn more than deposits. Is this definite motivation behind why my account locked? On the off chance that I lose my assets rather than win, will they return my assets?

Please community, help me to unlock the account.

[dancpats]

i suggest you file a complaint at askgamblers.com  and force them to respond publicly and display evidence of their claims

[MI6]

Finally, Sportsbet.io defrauded me.

We have exchanged numerous messages through PM, however, the result isn't anything. Steve just constrained me to concede any mistake and his suspection my KYC was fake. How ridiculous that during KYC confirmation they didn't saw my KYC was fake, now accusing that. Indeed, even I was consent to provide documents again then Steve just quit answering me. Sportsbet.io not giving any legitimate motivation behind account lock.

Steve simply answering I have withdrawn more than deposits. Is this definite motivation behind why my account locked? On the off chance that I lose my assets rather than win, will they return my assets?

Please community, help me to unlock the account.

Nobody is going to help you, idiot.
I have send you a PM to help you, but instead of appreciate my help and time you decided to post my message in this topic.
I do not even have 1% empathy for you anymore, I hope sportsbet will keep your money.

[The Cryptovator]

Thread has been created for almost 10 days. Although there is 2 reply from Steve but no solution. Steve said he is in a touch with the OP but seems OP telling Steve stopped replying after etched of a few messages. If OP's accusation is wrong them Steve should provide the appropriate reasons and evidence to prove this wrong. Ignoring wouldn't be a solution at all. Since the accusation in public, then resolution should be public as well.

I am tagging Sportsbet.io since they stopped replying here (but active). Will be removed after solving the issue or prove the accusation is wrong.

[DireWolfM14]

Thread has been created for almost 10 days. Although there is 2 reply from Steve but no solution. Steve said he is in a touch with the OP but seems OP telling Steve stopped replying after etched of a few messages. If OP's accusation is wrong them Steve should provide the appropriate reasons and evidence to prove this wrong. Ignoring wouldn't be a solution at all. Since the accusation in public, then resolution should be public as well.

How would you suppose sportsbet.io prove that the OP is violating their TOS?  The OP said that Steve wrote to him saying his KYC documents were stolen, so they could not accept them.  Do you want Steve to publish the documents, which he believes are stolen?  That would be doxing some unknown, uninvolved individual.  Something similar happened not long ago, which was settle via mediation by members of the forum.

In closing Trofo wrote this:

However, despite being identified as being well-placed to mediate, we have now learnt that in such cases, claims of Terms of Service (ToS) breach are virtually impossible to prove or disprove beyond dispute via remote mediation.

We would urge gamblers to read and comply with the terms of gambling sites and not use sites that have conditions they find unfavorable to their gambling preferences. This mediation process should be seen as a rare exception and not as a routine dispute resolution process. Gamble responsibly.

I am tagging Sportsbet.io since they stopped replying here (but active). Will be removed after solving the issue or prove the accusation is wrong.

Your opinion your tag, but I'm not sure that's really helpful.  Sportsbet isn't some fly-by-night outfit, looking for the short scam.  This is a legitimate business we're talking about, one with a lot to lose.  Their reputation is worth far more than $8k, and I doubt they would risk that reputation without just cause.  

In the example from last summer Sportsbet was certain their terms of service had been violated, yet due to the pressure from the community they acquiesced to a settlement to appease the crowd.  Is this really a good precedent?  Are we going to tag all businesses that are implicated by a newbie, no matter how long they've been operating here, and ignoring other mitigating, although extraneous factors?  How many times will Sportsbet allow themselves to be extorted before they abandon the forum all together?

I'm not defending sportsbet because they throw me some sats whenever I post.  If I believed these allegations I would be ashamed to don their banner.  But yes, I'm inclined to believe sportsbet.io, they've demonstrated they are a trustworthy company, and at the very least they deserve that.  Instead of putting the burden on sportsbet to prove their ToS were violated, lets put the burden of proof on the newbie.

[The Cryptovator]

How would you suppose sportsbet.io prove that the OP is violating their TOS?  The OP said that Steve wrote to him saying his KYC documents were stolen, so they could not accept them.  Do you want Steve to publish the documents, which he believes are stolen?  That would be doxing some unknown, uninvolved individual.  Something similar happened not long ago, which was settle via mediation by members of the forum.

How you so confident that the documents were fake? Is there no way to verify KYC except publish documents in public? So only we suppose to believe what is Sportsbet saying (even not posting here)? We hadn't heard anything from Steve either OP wrong or right.

Your opinion your tag, but I'm not sure that's really helpful.  Sportsbet isn't some fly-by-night outfit, looking for the short scam.  This is a legitimate business we're talking about, one with a lot to lose.  Their reputation is worth far more than $8k, and I doubt they would risk that reputation without just cause.  

How are we be sure there aren't similar cases out of the forum? There is the possibility that all victims don't know about this forum to create an accusation. Of course, we don't have the right to talk about it out of the forum, but those are on the forum I believe we have the right to talk about it.

In the example from last summer Sportsbet was certain their terms of service had been violated, yet due to the pressure from the community they acquiesced to a settlement to appease the crowd.  Is this really a good precedent?  Are we going to tag all businesses that are implicated by a newbie, no matter how long they've been operating here, and ignoring other mitigating, although extraneous factors?  How many times will Sportsbet allow themselves to be extorted before they abandon the forum all together?

I am not getting the point why you are saying it pressure instead of legitimate questions? So we can't raise legitimate questions against Sportsbet? We or I can't tag all businesses if there are no valid accusations neither I involved will all accusation threads. Different DT members are involving with different cases if they feel to contribute there. It doesn't mean I or everyone should handle all the accusations here and tag all the business. Sportsbet should respond and explain the situation at least when someone creates a valid accusation against them.

I'm not defending sportsbet because they throw me some sats whenever I post.  If I believed these allegations I would be ashamed to don their banner.  But yes, I'm inclined to believe sportsbet.io, they've demonstrated they are a trustworthy company, and at the very least they deserve that.  Instead of putting the burden on sportsbet to prove their ToS were violated, lets put the burden of proof on the newbie.

I am not saying you defending. You wrote what you believe and I wrote what I believe. But any conclusion wouldn't come from our beliefs or emotions. OP describes whatever he has, so Sportsbet should describe as well the current situations. After that, we may come to a conclusion. There wouldn't be any solution by you or me only without the involvement of Sportsbet. OP said he is ready to cooperate if Sportsbet needs something else to unlock the account and it was stated publicly but seems Steve just stop replying here and I don't think this is a positive move of Sportsbet.

So don't much worry about feedback or your banner. Anyone not blaming yet about wearing their banner or advertising them. I really don't see any reason why you should feel ashamed, this is an ongoing process and hope Sportsbet will solve it or prove OP is wrong.

[TalkStar]

Finally, Sportsbet.io defrauded me.

We have exchanged numerous messages through PM, however, the result isn't anything. Steve just constrained me to concede any mistake and his suspection my KYC was fake. How ridiculous that during KYC confirmation they didn't saw my KYC was fake, now accusing that. Indeed, even I was consent to provide documents again then Steve just quit answering me. Sportsbet.io not giving any legitimate motivation behind account lock.

Its been a long time i am watching this topic and looking forward to see the explanation from Sportbet team here. After having your reply it seems to me they are trying to solve the accusation personally rather than exposing here. I don't know exactly why steve isn't making response here for a long time but its not looking good to me. KYC justification can be a easy solution for this issue and if you are ready to provide your doc twice then why they are taking too much time or showing no interest on that. No doubt that they are not taking it seriously.  

Steve simply answering I have withdrawn more than deposits. Is this definite motivation behind why my account locked? On the off chance that I lose my assets rather than win, will they return my assets?

Please community, help me to unlock the account.

If you haven't done anything wrong or fraudulent then you can expect that they will return your money and no need to think that platform like Sportbet will steal that amount from you. Although its been a long time but i will suggest you to give them another PM to make response here.

[jeremypwr]

Finally, Sportsbet.io defrauded me.

Yeah; sure pal.


Hey Coolcryptovator,

Even though I'm not Steve and can't speak on this specific "accusation," I've always considered you trustworthy so I wanted to chime in here.

Since Steve already connected OP via PM so I think OP should stay calm and wait for a final decision.

That's some really good advice that I'd expect out of a Legendary member like yourself to give a newbie.

But no offense; you are doing the exact opposite of what you suggested to the OP by continuing to post in this thread and by prematurely tagging Sportsbet; a "reputable betting platform" as you describe them.

[The Cryptovator]

That's some really good advice that I'd expect out of a Legendary member like yourself to give a newbie.

But no offense; you are doing the exact opposite of what you suggested to the OP by continuing to post in this thread and by prematurely tagging Sportsbet; a "reputable betting platform" as you describe them.

Good to see you here. Hope you read all the messages. Isn't Steve taking a quite long time to respond on the thread? I thought he will come here with a solution or explanation. But seems it didn't happen. Based on their previous behavior, of course, I have to admit they were reputable. But as you have seen the current behavior is quite disappointing to me. I didn't write they are scammer on the feedback, just simply wrote open accusation, so that they would come here to make a resolution. I don't think it's a premature tag since Steve already takes enough time and he told that he will back with the scamming allegation.  Also, Steve said he is in touch with OP, but OP said Steve stopped communicating with him. So the situation is quite controversial IMO.

Don't worry about the tag, hope it will resolve as soon as Steve solves the issue or convince that OP is abusing the system.

[Slow death]

That's some really good advice that I'd expect out of a Legendary member like yourself to give a newbie.

But no offense; you are doing the exact opposite of what you suggested to the OP by continuing to post in this thread and by prematurely tagging Sportsbet; a "reputable betting platform" as you describe them.

Good to see you here. Hope you read all the messages. Isn't Steve taking a quite long time to respond on the thread? I thought he will come here with a solution or explanation. But seems it didn't happen. Based on their previous behavior, of course, I have to admit they were reputable. But as you have seen the current behavior is quite disappointing to me. I didn't write they are scammer on the feedback, just simply wrote open accusation, so that they would come here to make a resolution. I don't think it's a premature tag since Steve already takes enough time and he told that he will back with the scamming allegation.  Also, Steve said he is in touch with OP, but OP said Steve stopped communicating with him. So the situation is quite controversial IMO.

Don't worry about the tag, hope it will resolve as soon as Steve solves the issue or convince that OP is abusing the system.

I think Steve should show these documents that they say are false, for that it is enough to choose a member of the DT that is from the country where the document that they say is false belongs to and that member of the DT will tell us if the document is really false or true.

[actmyname]

I think Steve should show these documents that they say are false, for that it is enough to choose a member of the DT that is from the country where the document that they say is false belongs to and that member of the DT will tell us if the document is really false or true.

This is not a good idea. I do not think any DT member should get their hands on any user's documents.

There isn't a good resolution to the he said/they said problem of casino vs. player.

[DireWolfM14]

How you so confident that the documents were fake? Is there no way to verify KYC except publish documents in public? So only we suppose to believe what is Sportsbet saying (even not posting here)? We hadn't heard anything from Steve either OP wrong or right.

That's exactly my point.  There is no way for us to prove whether the documents are authentic, and publishing them in public will only hurt people, probably innocent people who've already had their documents robbed.  It appears that the previous time this happened, the dox were shared with other forum members, is that any better?  The OP himself said that Steve told him his documents are unacceptable, do we need Steve to come here and declare so himself?  What would that achieve other than bringing up more questions?

I can only assume that sportsbet.io has a system in place to verify the identity of their clients who submit KYC.  It's there job, and the legality of their business depends on it.  If they say the documents are fraudulent, I'm going to take their word for it over an anonymous newbie.  I would give any reputable member here the same benefit of the doubt.  

How are we be sure there aren't similar cases out of the forum? There is the possibility that all victims don't know about this forum to create an accusation. Of course, we don't have the right to talk about it out of the forum, but those are on the forum I believe we have the right to talk about it.

I'm sure there are.  People abuse casinos' terms of service all the time.  That doesn't make any of them legitimate claims.

I am not getting the point why you are saying it pressure instead of legitimate questions? So we can't raise legitimate questions against Sportsbet? We or I can't tag all businesses if there are no valid accusations neither I involved will all accusation threads. Different DT members are involving with different cases if they feel to contribute there. It doesn't mean I or everyone should handle all the accusations here and tag all the business. Sportsbet should respond and explain the situation at least when someone creates a valid accusation against them.

How do you know it's a different member?  What if it's the same person?  If he was able to get the DT community to strong-arm sprotsbet into settling last time, maybe he's employing the same shenanigans to extort them again.  Would that surprise you?

It's odd, but we give the benefit of the doubt to a verity of businesses and long-standing trusted members, but not casinos.  It's not just sportsbet; Bitcasino, Fortune Jack, and others have all had their run-ins with these types of accusations, but they don't get the same treatment from the community.  Is it because they're casinos?  I don't get it.

There are plenty of regular members here who use sportsbet, yet none of them have claimed to be defrauded by them.  Why is it only newbies?

Sportsbet.io specifically has done tremendous things promote bitcoin, and to support this forum.  They've been incredibly generous to the community, and continue to promote bitcoin with their expanding sponsorship of one of the worlds most popular sports.  They have a link to this forum on nearly every page of their website.  It's obvious they care about this community, shouldn't they some credit for that?

So don't much worry about feedback or your banner. Anyone not blaming yet about wearing their banner or advertising them. I really don't see any reason why you should feel ashamed, this is an ongoing process and hope Sportsbet will solve it or prove OP is wrong.

Believe me, I'm not ashamed.  I'm proud to wear their banner.

A little story about my experience using the sportsbet service:  Not long ago I had a deposit double-credited to my sportsbet wallet.  Being the honest guy I am, I reported it to Steve, and customer service.  They fixed it, and took their money from my wallet, but then Steve gave me 150% of amount as free bets.  That's the type of outfit we're dealing with.

They give away free bets all the time to the regular participants of their thread, for a variety of reasons.  They're constantly sponsoring forum games and contests.  They've been one of the most generous entities here.  Scammers don't behave that way.

And, barring any hard evidence to suggest they are scammers, I would recommend a bit of restraint before taking the word of newbie over theirs.

[actmyname]

Why is it only newbies?

This is the only part I would have an issue with: sampling bias would be one factor in the explanation. Another would be the concept of selective scamming.

Not making any direct accusations - just revealing the possibilities - with any long-standing reputation, if accusations can be dismissed simply due to the reputation, you construct a bit of a ellipse in your reasoning.

[aziamio7]

I need present my KYC reports here? Anybody on the world can confirm my NID from government site. Here is site: https://services.nidw.gov.bd/nid_info

I'm agree to submit selfie with NID card to demonstrate that is my NID card. Advise me to whom I need to send. If my NID card confirmed here, I need back my money. If my NID card become fake, I will pull out my allegation.

[The Cryptovator]

The OP himself said that Steve told him his documents are unacceptable, do we need Steve to come here and declare so himself?  What would that achieve other than bringing up more questions?

It's quite surprising to me why are you pushing to just believe what Steve said. If OP agrees with Steve and there are no arguments then why will we ask to Steve come here to explain? But seems OP doesn't agree with Steve. Of course, there would be questions for both, not only for Steve.

Why the KYC documents become suspicious or fake once win or withdraw funds? I don't know the way how they verify nor I need to know. But a few questions would be raised like this. Why the system wouldn't identify fake documents during KYC verification or during generate a deposit address since they could detect it upon withdrawals or wining?

@DireWolfM14 I can understand your feelings and beliefs my friend. But it would be nice if you be realistic with the situation. Immediate decline the scam allegation due to it has created by newbies and the platform is well established isn't a good example IMO.

I think we should stop arguments with each other until we hear from the authorized person from Sportsbet.io. We can't reach any stage of conclusion without them. Seems Steve is active today and I believe he will come here and explain everything since a problem has occurred.

[wildan88]

@DireWolfM14

Stop with your circus talk!
You are paid by Sportsbet to post here. Nobody is taking your nonsense talk serious anymore.

@aziamio7
You should not dispose your KYC here on the forum.
KYC can be easily solved by a skype call with sportsbet where you hold your passport for example, then it is 100% that you are the real person.
Right now Sportsbet.io is only looking for excuses not to pay, and they must pay you.

[DireWolfM14]

It's quite surprising to me why are you pushing to just believe what Steve said. If OP agrees with Steve and there are no arguments then why will we ask to Steve come here to explain? But seems OP doesn't agree with Steve. Of course, there would be questions for both, not only for Steve.

I was afraid I would be misinterpreted.  I am not pushing to just believe Steve, but I am suggesting that we don't just believe the newbie either.  Mostly I'm suggesting we keep things in perspective, look at the big picture.  

Why the KYC documents become suspicious or fake once win or withdraw funds? I don't know the way how they verify nor I need to know. But a few questions would be raised like this. Why the system wouldn't identify fake documents during KYC verification or during generate a deposit address since they could detect it upon withdrawals or wining?

KYC docs aren't required to have an account on sportsbet.  They haven't asked me to provide mine.  If they suspect cheating or other fraudulent activity, they will require documents before they allow a withdrawal.  I suspect they are also beholden to adhere to AML laws, so certain amounts that are withdrawn by users from certain countries will also trigger the need for KYC documents.

@DireWolfM14 I can understand your feelings and beliefs my friend. But it would be nice if you be realistic with the situation. Immediate decline the scam allegation due to it has created by newbies and the platform is well established isn't a good example IMO.

I think we should stop arguments with each other until we hear from the authorized person from Sportsbet.io. We can't reach any stage of conclusion without them. Seems Steve is active today and I believe he will come here and explain everything since a problem has occurred.

Again, I'm not suggesting we deny every scam accusation against sportsbet nor ignore the claims of newbies.  I am suggesting we keep things in perspective.  You yourself suggesting that we be patient and wait until Steve responds, but then you red-tag him because he's taking too long for your liking.  To me that doesn't look like keeping things in perspective, or being patient.

And I agree about this back and forth being pointless.  You and I won't be able to solve this issue, and like you said, we need to wait and be patient to learn more.

[Slow death]

I think Steve should show these documents that they say are false, for that it is enough to choose a member of the DT that is from the country where the document that they say is false belongs to and that member of the DT will tell us if the document is really false or true.

This is not a good idea. I do not think any DT member should get their hands on any user's documents.

There isn't a good resolution to the he said/they said problem of casino vs. player.

I agree that it is a very dangerous and risky idea, but without a third party to get involved in this conflict it will be difficult to find a solution. because there is always a TOS who is a god for gambling sites and casinos and on the other side there is always a smart guy who breaks this TOS and it is difficult to know who is telling the truth

@ wildan88 gave a good suggestion, although I don’t support much of what he says, in this part I think his idea could be a good solution

I need present my KYC reports here? Anybody on the world can confirm my NID from government site. Here is site: https://services.nidw.gov.bd/nid_info

I'm agree to submit selfie with NID card to demonstrate that is my NID card. Advise me to whom I need to send. If my NID card confirmed here, I need back my money. If my NID card become fake, I will pull out my allegation.

now we have to wait and see what Sportsbet.io will say

[sempak]

The skype conversation could be an easy and useful solution.
Still i want to know how a bookmaker can be so sure about a double account since most IP addresses are dynamically these days.
It could happen easily you will get the IP address from somebody else in your street in a few days. So how can you be so sure it is a double account?
You can only jump to this conclusion when you undergo the KYC procedure in a strict way, then everything is solved.

[Cacingkemi]

The skype conversation could be an easy and useful solution.
Still i want to know how a bookmaker can be so sure about a double account since most IP addresses are dynamically these days.
It could happen easily you will get the IP address from somebody else in your street in a few days. So how can you be so sure it is a double account?
You can only jump to this conclusion when you undergo the KYC procedure in a strict way, then everything is solved.

Sportsbet owns to much power on the forum here. As soon as you want to give them  red tag, they write it on their telegram group and enough people will make sure they oppose the card.
DireWolfM14 is a moron that works for sportsbet and will always defend them. And people like hem have a DT status, they can not be touched.

[actmyname]

As soon as you want to give them  red tag, they write it on their telegram group and enough people will make sure they oppose the card.

Do you have proof of this or is this just fantasy? If you don't, then why bother saying it at all?

I agree that it is a very dangerous and risky idea, but without a third party to get involved in this conflict it will be difficult to find a solution. because there is always a TOS who is a god for gambling sites and casinos and on the other side there is always a smart guy who breaks this TOS and it is difficult to know who is telling the truth

What happens if cases like these become more common?

There are a few avenues I can think of directly:

• The casino is increasingly selectively scamming
• Casino exploiters are increasingly being restricted with reason
• A combination of both

If you want to have DefaultTrust users intervening every time one of these cases comes up and inevitably ends in, "you broke ToS" (look at past casino cases and see how many have this result), then you've basically pushed the issue of "who do I believe" to just the DefaultTrust users and the very limited evidence they would be provided by the casino.

I'm not comfortable with DefaultTrust users getting their hands on all this stuff. They would either have to be extremely, extremely trustworthy, or you run the risk of the casinos potentially adding in DT bodies to support their side. Call it an extension of the "reputable party performing selective scamming" tactic.

Still i want to know how a bookmaker can be so sure about a double account since most IP addresses are dynamically these days.

FYI your browser has a fingerprint and you are vulnerable in other ways. You probably want to check that out.

[sportsbet.io]

Thread has been created for almost 10 days. Although there is 2 reply from Steve but no solution. Steve said he is in a touch with the OP but seems OP telling Steve stopped replying after etched of a few messages. If OP's accusation is wrong them Steve should provide the appropriate reasons and evidence to prove this wrong. Ignoring wouldn't be a solution at all. Since the accusation in public, then resolution should be public as well.

I am tagging Sportsbet.io since they stopped replying here (but active). Will be removed after solving the issue or prove the accusation is wrong.

Hi guys, apologies for the delay here.

As the user has rightly stated, I have been in contact with him personally.

I have asked several questions directly and repeatedly and I am not getting the information returned that I believe to be a truthful response.

Anyone can supply a KYC document for themselves and it can be cleared. Unfortunately, that is not the basis of the money removal case here.

Previously our relevant department approached the user to clarify some questions regarding other accounts that we are rightly concerned about. the information we received was not in line with the information we have on hand.

I will give the user one last chance to help himself.I need some solid information to go back to my company and overturn this decision. Until then, I don't have enough correct information on my side to change the result as it stands.

I hope to get a resolution by the end of the week.

regards,

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

[wildan88]

What a trashtalk. Pay him his money!

[gadado]

What a trashtalk. Pay him his money!

That s how it usually goes. They have many accounts who work for them which have a high DT status. In that way, they never get into problem. Good example is Direwolf14, but there are many others.

[Adzivu]

Why don't you guys tell adkinsbet to pay me or other users that are scammed by them?
You could do that but you are promoting that site and don't want to lose the money they are paying you.

[TwitchySeal]

Has an official adkins rep bet been made aware of the way their sig campaign members have been acting?

They pull the same crap with other casinos also and it's obvious they wouldn't be making any of these attacks if they weren't in the sig campaign. If anything this ultimately does more damage to Adkins reputation (and their own) than the people they attack.

Edit:  Ok just found the The AdkinsBET Army of Alts thread.  Way to put a ton of effort into destroying your own reputation Adkins!

[eddie13]

Well they said you're breaching their rule 17.1 so check that out.



If you were banned from there before and you made another account to evade that ban, they will block your new account too.

Placing arbitrage bets, depositing money that came from an address flagged as associated with illegal activity (I suppose this is to stop scammers from "playing" or just mixing with their stolen money) and running a gambling script to cheat Sportsbet are also reasons they'd close your account.

i am not a VPN user. I have no more sportsbet account. Their team member is liar. Please help me.

What is your connection between you and tipu365, robin365, monir777 and MDABDUS, your alleged alt accounts?

17.1 could be used as an excuse not to pay out to anyone..

Didn’t mix your coins? They probably have some taint..
Mixed your coins? Suspicion of money laundering..

[sportsbet.io]

Hi all,

UPDATE:

After being in contact with Aziamio7 this week we have reversed the decision to withhold the funds of his account.

Aziamio7 has been fully paid back and he will update the forum when he gets a chance.

As you would expect, details of our investigations and discussions via PM will not be made public due to security and personal request reasons.

thanks and regards,

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

[aziamio7]

Hi all,

UPDATE:

After being in contact with Aziamio7 this week we have reversed the decision to withhold the funds of his account.

Aziamio7 has been fully paid back and he will update the forum when he gets a chance.

As you would expect, details of our investigations and discussions via PM will not be made public due to security and personal request reasons.

thanks and regards,

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

Sportsbet and I agreed to a full payout - details will not be discussed and the matter is now closed. Got my Money.

Thanks all for your support and special thanks to Coolcryptovator.

[CLS63]

Hi all,

UPDATE:

After being in contact with Aziamio7 this week we have reversed the decision to withhold the funds of his account.

Aziamio7 has been fully paid back and he will update the forum when he gets a chance.

As you would expect, details of our investigations and discussions via PM will not be made public due to security and personal request reasons.

thanks and regards,

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

As far as I can see, sportsbet.io are trying their best to solve the problems of their customers. It is very important for a bet website. I appreciate it very much as a bitcointalk user.

[The Cryptovator]

Thanks, Steve for solving the issue. Feedback has been removed as well since both of you agreed to closed this case. However, I think we can solve such issues through constructive discussion. Silence or blind arguments wouldn't be a solution anyway. I can't say you are wrong those support Sportsbet, but I will appreciate it if you be more constructive based on the situation, beliefs would be wrong sometimes. I don't know both of your's (Sportsbet & OP) inside the discussion, but I will suggest both identify your lacks and correct them to avoid such issues in the future.

@OP, you can marked 'solved' in the topic title since you stated it solved.