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wildan88, gadado, Cacingkemi, BitcoinAccepted, coin.princess & MI6, personal attack? Or shilling for Adkinsbet? You can see Steve already replied on that thread, which means he took over the case. I think he investigating the whole thing deeply and he will back with a resolution. I don't think anyone should attack personally for their own benefit. I will suggest everyone please stay on topic and wait for Steve's reply. Then we may come to a conclusion.

Hi Coolcryptovator + others,

Quick Update:
In regards to the 8,000 confiscated from the customer.. yes Coolcryptovator, this is exactly what is happening, I need to look at all the evidence enough to overturn my own company's decision basically. A few other things have popped up and all of a sudden its monday.

I have contacted the user via PM a couple of times and at this stage this is where we are.


On a separate matter, It has come to my attention that there is some misleading thoughts from these AdkinsBet signature wearing guys.

My understanding is that they feel sportsbet.io are paying people to directly attack them, mainly on their own 5 outstanding scam accusations. I think we all know that this is NOT the case.
We have never paid anyone to attack anyone and never will. Considering we have had stability issues in peak periods during the month of January.. It would be completely dumb of us to start having a crack at other sportsbooks.
AdkinsBet signature wearers have made some massively inaccurate accusations towards independent and respected accounts on this BTCTalk forum and they just do not seem to understand the setup.

Its disappointing AdkinsBet has announced that it is leaving the BTCtalk family, but all the best to them.

Ill be back in touch about the scamming allegation shortly.

thanks guys.

Steve.
Sportsbet.io

[TalkStar]

Hi Coolcryptovator + others,

Quick Update:
In regards to the 8,000 confiscated from the customer.. yes Coolcryptovator, this is exactly what is happening, I need to look at all the evidence enough to overturn my own company's decision basically. A few other things have popped up and all of a sudden its monday.

I have contacted the user via PM a couple of times and at this stage this is where we are.

After having your update i think no one will be interested to bump this topic (without spammers). Good to hear that you have already contacted that user and maintaining your discussion.

I will suggest you to solve this issue as early as possible which will definitely help you to concentrate on your business.

On a separate matter, It has come to my attention that there is some misleading thoughts from these AdkinsBet signature wearing guys.

My understanding is that they feel sportsbet.io are paying people to directly attack them, mainly on their own 5 outstanding scam accusations.

Let them think by using their own brain and no one can't change someone's mind if they don’t want to keep patience. Joining campaign or wearning a signature doesn’t mean that signature owners are giving weekly payments to support them blindly. Its completely depend on participants and only they can stop spammers from spreading lies.

[The Cryptovator]

Quick Update:
In regards to the 8,000 confiscated from the customer.. yes Coolcryptovator, this is exactly what is happening, I need to look at all the evidence enough to overturn my own company's decision basically. A few other things have popped up and all of a sudden its monday.

Good to hear from you. I have to admit it's quite a lengthy process to review an account for second times where need verify all the evidence provided by OP. It is better to know that my assumptions were true which would lead to a positive outcome for OP. Don't be scared of the personal attack by the Adkinsbet army. The community will never support anyone who will abuse the forum system and advertise their own platform by attacking someone else wouldn't be a good practice. But a constructive discussion on the topic should be appreciated as well.

Since Steve already connected OP via PM so I think OP should stay calm and wait for a final decision.

[BitcoinAccepted]

Thieves never dare to speak in front of people.... He is a liar and a deceiver.. Or why he is not clearing the matter in front of people

What do you expekt? People warned how corrupt the forum is.

But it seems you do not want to listen.

[Slow death]

Ill be back in touch about the scamming allegation shortly.

today Is friday, was the case resolved or not? in these cases it would be more prudent that in the future they would be faster in resolving, imagine having to spend many days in anguish if the person will have their problem solved or not! anyone is stressed about it. I like sportsbet and I think it is in my opinion the best sports betting site, so you have to create conditions so that problems like these can be solved quickly, I understand that they are complex things, but there must be some mechanism to speed up the resolution

Thieves never dare to speak in front of people.... He is a liar and a deceiver.. Or why he is not clearing the matter in front of people

What do you expekt? People warned how corrupt the forum is.

But it seems you do not want to listen.

it seems to me that OP deleted the post, but I am not corrupt and I am neutral. I do not let emotions determine my judgment and these cases are always complex...

[aziamio7]

Finally, Sportsbet.io defrauded me.

We have exchanged numerous messages through PM, however, the result isn't anything. Steve just constrained me to concede any mistake and his suspection my KYC was fake. How ridiculous that during KYC confirmation they didn't saw my KYC was fake, now accusing that. Indeed, even I was consent to provide documents again then Steve just quit answering me. Sportsbet.io not giving any legitimate motivation behind account lock.

Steve simply answering I have withdrawn more than deposits. Is this definite motivation behind why my account locked? On the off chance that I lose my assets rather than win, will they return my assets?

Please community, help me to unlock the account.

[dancpats]

i suggest you file a complaint at askgamblers.com  and force them to respond publicly and display evidence of their claims

[MI6]

Finally, Sportsbet.io defrauded me.

We have exchanged numerous messages through PM, however, the result isn't anything. Steve just constrained me to concede any mistake and his suspection my KYC was fake. How ridiculous that during KYC confirmation they didn't saw my KYC was fake, now accusing that. Indeed, even I was consent to provide documents again then Steve just quit answering me. Sportsbet.io not giving any legitimate motivation behind account lock.

Steve simply answering I have withdrawn more than deposits. Is this definite motivation behind why my account locked? On the off chance that I lose my assets rather than win, will they return my assets?

Please community, help me to unlock the account.

Nobody is going to help you, idiot.
I have send you a PM to help you, but instead of appreciate my help and time you decided to post my message in this topic.
I do not even have 1% empathy for you anymore, I hope sportsbet will keep your money.

[The Cryptovator]

Thread has been created for almost 10 days. Although there is 2 reply from Steve but no solution. Steve said he is in a touch with the OP but seems OP telling Steve stopped replying after etched of a few messages. If OP's accusation is wrong them Steve should provide the appropriate reasons and evidence to prove this wrong. Ignoring wouldn't be a solution at all. Since the accusation in public, then resolution should be public as well.

I am tagging Sportsbet.io since they stopped replying here (but active). Will be removed after solving the issue or prove the accusation is wrong.

[DireWolfM14]

Thread has been created for almost 10 days. Although there is 2 reply from Steve but no solution. Steve said he is in a touch with the OP but seems OP telling Steve stopped replying after etched of a few messages. If OP's accusation is wrong them Steve should provide the appropriate reasons and evidence to prove this wrong. Ignoring wouldn't be a solution at all. Since the accusation in public, then resolution should be public as well.

How would you suppose sportsbet.io prove that the OP is violating their TOS?  The OP said that Steve wrote to him saying his KYC documents were stolen, so they could not accept them.  Do you want Steve to publish the documents, which he believes are stolen?  That would be doxing some unknown, uninvolved individual.  Something similar happened not long ago, which was settle via mediation by members of the forum.

In closing Trofo wrote this:

However, despite being identified as being well-placed to mediate, we have now learnt that in such cases, claims of Terms of Service (ToS) breach are virtually impossible to prove or disprove beyond dispute via remote mediation.

We would urge gamblers to read and comply with the terms of gambling sites and not use sites that have conditions they find unfavorable to their gambling preferences. This mediation process should be seen as a rare exception and not as a routine dispute resolution process. Gamble responsibly.

I am tagging Sportsbet.io since they stopped replying here (but active). Will be removed after solving the issue or prove the accusation is wrong.

Your opinion your tag, but I'm not sure that's really helpful.  Sportsbet isn't some fly-by-night outfit, looking for the short scam.  This is a legitimate business we're talking about, one with a lot to lose.  Their reputation is worth far more than $8k, and I doubt they would risk that reputation without just cause.  

In the example from last summer Sportsbet was certain their terms of service had been violated, yet due to the pressure from the community they acquiesced to a settlement to appease the crowd.  Is this really a good precedent?  Are we going to tag all businesses that are implicated by a newbie, no matter how long they've been operating here, and ignoring other mitigating, although extraneous factors?  How many times will Sportsbet allow themselves to be extorted before they abandon the forum all together?

I'm not defending sportsbet because they throw me some sats whenever I post.  If I believed these allegations I would be ashamed to don their banner.  But yes, I'm inclined to believe sportsbet.io, they've demonstrated they are a trustworthy company, and at the very least they deserve that.  Instead of putting the burden on sportsbet to prove their ToS were violated, lets put the burden of proof on the newbie.

[The Cryptovator]

How would you suppose sportsbet.io prove that the OP is violating their TOS?  The OP said that Steve wrote to him saying his KYC documents were stolen, so they could not accept them.  Do you want Steve to publish the documents, which he believes are stolen?  That would be doxing some unknown, uninvolved individual.  Something similar happened not long ago, which was settle via mediation by members of the forum.

How you so confident that the documents were fake? Is there no way to verify KYC except publish documents in public? So only we suppose to believe what is Sportsbet saying (even not posting here)? We hadn't heard anything from Steve either OP wrong or right.

Your opinion your tag, but I'm not sure that's really helpful.  Sportsbet isn't some fly-by-night outfit, looking for the short scam.  This is a legitimate business we're talking about, one with a lot to lose.  Their reputation is worth far more than $8k, and I doubt they would risk that reputation without just cause.  

How are we be sure there aren't similar cases out of the forum? There is the possibility that all victims don't know about this forum to create an accusation. Of course, we don't have the right to talk about it out of the forum, but those are on the forum I believe we have the right to talk about it.

In the example from last summer Sportsbet was certain their terms of service had been violated, yet due to the pressure from the community they acquiesced to a settlement to appease the crowd.  Is this really a good precedent?  Are we going to tag all businesses that are implicated by a newbie, no matter how long they've been operating here, and ignoring other mitigating, although extraneous factors?  How many times will Sportsbet allow themselves to be extorted before they abandon the forum all together?

I am not getting the point why you are saying it pressure instead of legitimate questions? So we can't raise legitimate questions against Sportsbet? We or I can't tag all businesses if there are no valid accusations neither I involved will all accusation threads. Different DT members are involving with different cases if they feel to contribute there. It doesn't mean I or everyone should handle all the accusations here and tag all the business. Sportsbet should respond and explain the situation at least when someone creates a valid accusation against them.

I'm not defending sportsbet because they throw me some sats whenever I post.  If I believed these allegations I would be ashamed to don their banner.  But yes, I'm inclined to believe sportsbet.io, they've demonstrated they are a trustworthy company, and at the very least they deserve that.  Instead of putting the burden on sportsbet to prove their ToS were violated, lets put the burden of proof on the newbie.

I am not saying you defending. You wrote what you believe and I wrote what I believe. But any conclusion wouldn't come from our beliefs or emotions. OP describes whatever he has, so Sportsbet should describe as well the current situations. After that, we may come to a conclusion. There wouldn't be any solution by you or me only without the involvement of Sportsbet. OP said he is ready to cooperate if Sportsbet needs something else to unlock the account and it was stated publicly but seems Steve just stop replying here and I don't think this is a positive move of Sportsbet.

So don't much worry about feedback or your banner. Anyone not blaming yet about wearing their banner or advertising them. I really don't see any reason why you should feel ashamed, this is an ongoing process and hope Sportsbet will solve it or prove OP is wrong.

[TalkStar]

Finally, Sportsbet.io defrauded me.

We have exchanged numerous messages through PM, however, the result isn't anything. Steve just constrained me to concede any mistake and his suspection my KYC was fake. How ridiculous that during KYC confirmation they didn't saw my KYC was fake, now accusing that. Indeed, even I was consent to provide documents again then Steve just quit answering me. Sportsbet.io not giving any legitimate motivation behind account lock.

Its been a long time i am watching this topic and looking forward to see the explanation from Sportbet team here. After having your reply it seems to me they are trying to solve the accusation personally rather than exposing here. I don't know exactly why steve isn't making response here for a long time but its not looking good to me. KYC justification can be a easy solution for this issue and if you are ready to provide your doc twice then why they are taking too much time or showing no interest on that. No doubt that they are not taking it seriously.  

Steve simply answering I have withdrawn more than deposits. Is this definite motivation behind why my account locked? On the off chance that I lose my assets rather than win, will they return my assets?

Please community, help me to unlock the account.

If you haven't done anything wrong or fraudulent then you can expect that they will return your money and no need to think that platform like Sportbet will steal that amount from you. Although its been a long time but i will suggest you to give them another PM to make response here.

[jeremypwr]

Finally, Sportsbet.io defrauded me.

Yeah; sure pal.


Hey Coolcryptovator,

Even though I'm not Steve and can't speak on this specific "accusation," I've always considered you trustworthy so I wanted to chime in here.

Since Steve already connected OP via PM so I think OP should stay calm and wait for a final decision.

That's some really good advice that I'd expect out of a Legendary member like yourself to give a newbie.

But no offense; you are doing the exact opposite of what you suggested to the OP by continuing to post in this thread and by prematurely tagging Sportsbet; a "reputable betting platform" as you describe them.

[The Cryptovator]

That's some really good advice that I'd expect out of a Legendary member like yourself to give a newbie.

But no offense; you are doing the exact opposite of what you suggested to the OP by continuing to post in this thread and by prematurely tagging Sportsbet; a "reputable betting platform" as you describe them.

Good to see you here. Hope you read all the messages. Isn't Steve taking a quite long time to respond on the thread? I thought he will come here with a solution or explanation. But seems it didn't happen. Based on their previous behavior, of course, I have to admit they were reputable. But as you have seen the current behavior is quite disappointing to me. I didn't write they are scammer on the feedback, just simply wrote open accusation, so that they would come here to make a resolution. I don't think it's a premature tag since Steve already takes enough time and he told that he will back with the scamming allegation.  Also, Steve said he is in touch with OP, but OP said Steve stopped communicating with him. So the situation is quite controversial IMO.

Don't worry about the tag, hope it will resolve as soon as Steve solves the issue or convince that OP is abusing the system.

[Slow death]

That's some really good advice that I'd expect out of a Legendary member like yourself to give a newbie.

But no offense; you are doing the exact opposite of what you suggested to the OP by continuing to post in this thread and by prematurely tagging Sportsbet; a "reputable betting platform" as you describe them.

Good to see you here. Hope you read all the messages. Isn't Steve taking a quite long time to respond on the thread? I thought he will come here with a solution or explanation. But seems it didn't happen. Based on their previous behavior, of course, I have to admit they were reputable. But as you have seen the current behavior is quite disappointing to me. I didn't write they are scammer on the feedback, just simply wrote open accusation, so that they would come here to make a resolution. I don't think it's a premature tag since Steve already takes enough time and he told that he will back with the scamming allegation.  Also, Steve said he is in touch with OP, but OP said Steve stopped communicating with him. So the situation is quite controversial IMO.

Don't worry about the tag, hope it will resolve as soon as Steve solves the issue or convince that OP is abusing the system.

I think Steve should show these documents that they say are false, for that it is enough to choose a member of the DT that is from the country where the document that they say is false belongs to and that member of the DT will tell us if the document is really false or true.

[actmyname]

I think Steve should show these documents that they say are false, for that it is enough to choose a member of the DT that is from the country where the document that they say is false belongs to and that member of the DT will tell us if the document is really false or true.

This is not a good idea. I do not think any DT member should get their hands on any user's documents.

There isn't a good resolution to the he said/they said problem of casino vs. player.

[DireWolfM14]

How you so confident that the documents were fake? Is there no way to verify KYC except publish documents in public? So only we suppose to believe what is Sportsbet saying (even not posting here)? We hadn't heard anything from Steve either OP wrong or right.

That's exactly my point.  There is no way for us to prove whether the documents are authentic, and publishing them in public will only hurt people, probably innocent people who've already had their documents robbed.  It appears that the previous time this happened, the dox were shared with other forum members, is that any better?  The OP himself said that Steve told him his documents are unacceptable, do we need Steve to come here and declare so himself?  What would that achieve other than bringing up more questions?

I can only assume that sportsbet.io has a system in place to verify the identity of their clients who submit KYC.  It's there job, and the legality of their business depends on it.  If they say the documents are fraudulent, I'm going to take their word for it over an anonymous newbie.  I would give any reputable member here the same benefit of the doubt.  

How are we be sure there aren't similar cases out of the forum? There is the possibility that all victims don't know about this forum to create an accusation. Of course, we don't have the right to talk about it out of the forum, but those are on the forum I believe we have the right to talk about it.

I'm sure there are.  People abuse casinos' terms of service all the time.  That doesn't make any of them legitimate claims.

I am not getting the point why you are saying it pressure instead of legitimate questions? So we can't raise legitimate questions against Sportsbet? We or I can't tag all businesses if there are no valid accusations neither I involved will all accusation threads. Different DT members are involving with different cases if they feel to contribute there. It doesn't mean I or everyone should handle all the accusations here and tag all the business. Sportsbet should respond and explain the situation at least when someone creates a valid accusation against them.

How do you know it's a different member?  What if it's the same person?  If he was able to get the DT community to strong-arm sprotsbet into settling last time, maybe he's employing the same shenanigans to extort them again.  Would that surprise you?

It's odd, but we give the benefit of the doubt to a verity of businesses and long-standing trusted members, but not casinos.  It's not just sportsbet; Bitcasino, Fortune Jack, and others have all had their run-ins with these types of accusations, but they don't get the same treatment from the community.  Is it because they're casinos?  I don't get it.

There are plenty of regular members here who use sportsbet, yet none of them have claimed to be defrauded by them.  Why is it only newbies?

Sportsbet.io specifically has done tremendous things promote bitcoin, and to support this forum.  They've been incredibly generous to the community, and continue to promote bitcoin with their expanding sponsorship of one of the worlds most popular sports.  They have a link to this forum on nearly every page of their website.  It's obvious they care about this community, shouldn't they some credit for that?

So don't much worry about feedback or your banner. Anyone not blaming yet about wearing their banner or advertising them. I really don't see any reason why you should feel ashamed, this is an ongoing process and hope Sportsbet will solve it or prove OP is wrong.

Believe me, I'm not ashamed.  I'm proud to wear their banner.

A little story about my experience using the sportsbet service:  Not long ago I had a deposit double-credited to my sportsbet wallet.  Being the honest guy I am, I reported it to Steve, and customer service.  They fixed it, and took their money from my wallet, but then Steve gave me 150% of amount as free bets.  That's the type of outfit we're dealing with.

They give away free bets all the time to the regular participants of their thread, for a variety of reasons.  They're constantly sponsoring forum games and contests.  They've been one of the most generous entities here.  Scammers don't behave that way.

And, barring any hard evidence to suggest they are scammers, I would recommend a bit of restraint before taking the word of newbie over theirs.

[actmyname]

Why is it only newbies?

This is the only part I would have an issue with: sampling bias would be one factor in the explanation. Another would be the concept of selective scamming.

Not making any direct accusations - just revealing the possibilities - with any long-standing reputation, if accusations can be dismissed simply due to the reputation, you construct a bit of a ellipse in your reasoning.

[aziamio7]

I need present my KYC reports here? Anybody on the world can confirm my NID from government site. Here is site: https://services.nidw.gov.bd/nid_info

I'm agree to submit selfie with NID card to demonstrate that is my NID card. Advise me to whom I need to send. If my NID card confirmed here, I need back my money. If my NID card become fake, I will pull out my allegation.

[The Cryptovator]

The OP himself said that Steve told him his documents are unacceptable, do we need Steve to come here and declare so himself?  What would that achieve other than bringing up more questions?

It's quite surprising to me why are you pushing to just believe what Steve said. If OP agrees with Steve and there are no arguments then why will we ask to Steve come here to explain? But seems OP doesn't agree with Steve. Of course, there would be questions for both, not only for Steve.

Why the KYC documents become suspicious or fake once win or withdraw funds? I don't know the way how they verify nor I need to know. But a few questions would be raised like this. Why the system wouldn't identify fake documents during KYC verification or during generate a deposit address since they could detect it upon withdrawals or wining?

@DireWolfM14 I can understand your feelings and beliefs my friend. But it would be nice if you be realistic with the situation. Immediate decline the scam allegation due to it has created by newbies and the platform is well established isn't a good example IMO.

I think we should stop arguments with each other until we hear from the authorized person from Sportsbet.io. We can't reach any stage of conclusion without them. Seems Steve is active today and I believe he will come here and explain everything since a problem has occurred.