94 year old healthy woman gets the vaccine.

[BADecker]

It's a shame that the elderly are just a little slower mentally, so that their mentally slow kids can talk them into all kinds of things they knew were wrong in the first place.

[Mauser]

Honestly, I wouldn't force older people to be vaccinated. Because according to sources I read that the covid-19 vaccine has side effects such as diarrhea and dizziness, and I don't want to harm the people closest to me, especially those who are old.

Of course. You wouldn't want to feel dizzy for a few hours! How barbaric! I know I'd much rather have respiratory failure and a 20% chance of death than feel a bit dizzy.

If the vaccine is really helping we should all be taking them. It also depends on how much contact you have with others. If you live in a retirement home than the risk of catching corona is much higher than if you live alone.

[squatz1]

The virus isn't serious enough to bother anyone that has decent immunity.

Your 94 year old friend has a >20% chance of death if she catches the virus. Source: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

WELL YEAH SHE MAY HAVE A 20% CHANCE OF DEATH BUT SHE IS OBVIOUSLY STRONG SO THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS VIRUS THAT HAS KILLED 2.5M PEOPLE WILL ALSO KILL HER.

/S

Not sure on why Jet Cash is still going on about this. The vaccine is essential to get to the oldest and most vulnerable part of the population to ensure that they DO NOT DIE.

I’ll never understand why people can’t understand that. These older people want to live and they want the vaccine, let them get it.

[franky1]

I’ll never understand why people can’t understand that. These older people want to live and they want the vaccine, let them get it.

conspiracy sites created by US republicans use the year old debunked TRUMP narrative that 'its just flu'
they use trumps february2020 quotes and pretend that its scientific.
they forget that trump had breathing problems and had to be hospitalised when he got covid
they forget that normal citizens are not given the same great care as trump got.
so they completely forget that normal people that are in trumps same risk factor or above wont get the same experience. but worse experience than trump got.

all they can remember is a year ago trump called it a flu
and they think thats enough science for them to care about

[BADecker]

^^^ Those old "conspiracy sites created by US republicans use the year old debunked TRUMP narrative that 'its just flu'" are still debunking most of what you say.

[Jet Cash]

It's pretty obvious that most people seem to be myopic and believe the media propaganda. You don't have to be Einstein to be aware that the human immune system knows more about viruses than any modern doctors, and it is 100% effective in healthy people. Of course if you are one of the many who spends large sums on so-called health care, then you aren't healthy, and you need to delude yourself to justify all that wasted money.

Anyway, I'm a bit tired of taking criticism from those who can't be bothered to do any real research, and to deflect on their observation of the world around them.

[o_e_l_e_o]

It's pretty obvious that most people seem to be myopic and believe the media propaganda.

I don't believe anything. I understand why the science is correct.

You don't have to be Einstein to be aware that the human immune system knows more about viruses than any modern doctors, and it is 100% effective in healthy people.

What? Are you claiming that no one without a pre-existing condition has died from an infection ever?

[Jet Cash]

What? Are you claiming that no one without a pre-existing condition has died from an infection ever?

We are discussing covid in this thread, I didn't think I needed to qualify my comments because of this.

[o_e_l_e_o]

You stated that the immune system, in relation to "viruses", is 100% effective.

So are you instead claiming that no one without a pre-existing condition has ever died from COVID?

[Mpamaegbu]

Now, that makes it scary. If the 94-year old doesn't come out of this experience, it will cause more panic and skepticism of people wanting to be vaccinated. They would rather fancy their chances of self isolating and not taking it than taking it and allegedly dying from it. Well, 94 is a pretty old age where I come from. People hardly live up to that healthily. It's either they're already bedridden around that age or limited by poor health. Europe and Asia are blessed with old people, honestly.

[franky1]

You don't have to be Einstein to be aware that the human immune system knows more about viruses than any modern doctors, and it is 100% effective in healthy people.

just saying 'don't have to be einstein' followed by blab. does not make the blab true

1. the immune system knows alot about pre-existing pathogen it had come into contact with before
2. the immune system can and does over react and under react even in healthy people
3. the immune system is only called in when cells send a signal that they have been attacked.
4.the immune system is not smart. on first signal of a new pathogen all they know is to try. they dont yet know how. they have to learn
4. your definition of healthy is not the common definition most people know
5. about ~80% of peoples immune system does not know how to fight a pathogen with a certain spike identifier. the only way to learn is to get infected. there are 2 options:
    a. get the replicating virus that kills cells in the lungs - dangerous
    b. get a vaccine in the arm that doesnt replicate - safer
6. yes healthier younger people can respond to signals faster. and produce more antibodies faster, meaning they can fight the pathogen faster. but a healthy 70yo is not as quick or productive as a less than healthy 10yo
and a healthy 94yo is even less productive and quick
7.imagine it this way. immunocells trained to fight old pathogens are like 10year vetaren marines. able to go on mission attack old pathogens quick and many squads of them.
but a new pathogen. well thats fresh recruits that have not even gone through 'hell week' they have alot to learn about new battle strategy. it takes longer to recruit new troops and train them

[Cnut237]

The virus isn't serious enough to bother anyone that has decent immunity.

Your 94 year old friend has a >20% chance of death if she catches the virus. Source: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

And if, as we expect, having the vaccine means you're less likely to transmit the virus, then there's less chance of that 94yo passing the virus onto her similarly-aged friends, or spreading it around a nursing home, etc.

The main reason that healthy people of any age should take the vaccine is to protect other, more vulnerable people. Same with face masks, etc.

The two ways to beat this thing are a) vaccinate everyone, or b) let everyone catch it, and in certain cases, die. That's it; they're the options. It won't just go away by itself.

[BADecker]

^^^ Death is inevitable. Few people like the idea of death when they are healthy and free.

Some of the people who voluntarily get vaccinated are free. Some of them aren't.

The free ones know about the dangers of the vaccine and get it anyway. The un-free ones are those who listen to the propaganda and lies set out by the medical, without knowing that there is other information that is WAY more truthful than what the medical provides.

[Poker Player]

In my case I think having optimal vitamin D levels is going to be at least as effective as the vaccine, but you won't hear the pharmaceuticals talking about this. Neither will the mainstream Mass Media but there are plenty of articles in Pubmed and scientific journals on this.

The point is that optimal Vitamin D levels can be obtained for free from the sun or cheaply in supplements sold in herbalists, but that is of no interest to Big Pharma.

On the other hand, I do not trust these vaccines, at least in principle, but I have several friends and acquaintances working in health care who have already taken them and and what they usually say is that they had mild symptoms the next day similar to a cold. But what you cannot do if you distrust vaccines is to close your eyes to the evidence and say that a lot of people are dying because of them because that is make up a story that has nothing to do with reality, and that you can't prove because if people were dying everywhere, the mass media couldn't hide it and you could post links here..

[squatz1]

Honestly, I wouldn't force older people to be vaccinated. Because according to sources I read that the covid-19 vaccine has side effects such as diarrhea and dizziness, and I don't want to harm the people closest to me, especially those who are old.

Of course. You wouldn't want to feel dizzy for a few hours! How barbaric! I know I'd much rather have respiratory failure and a 20% chance of death than feel a bit dizzy.

I'd really hate to feel the effects of the second vaccine for a day or so (as the first vaccination doesn't typically have side effects) instead of death.

Ugh -- a headache and being in bed for a day is so much better then dying. LOL. I understand not wanting to force vaccinations on people, as older people can just quarantine indefinitely if they want to / can but that's not a reason to just write off vaccinations as a whole.

[BADecker]

Honestly, I wouldn't force older people to be vaccinated. Because according to sources I read that the covid-19 vaccine has side effects such as diarrhea and dizziness, and I don't want to harm the people closest to me, especially those who are old.

Of course. You wouldn't want to feel dizzy for a few hours! How barbaric! I know I'd much rather have respiratory failure and a 20% chance of death than feel a bit dizzy.

I'd really hate to feel the effects of the second vaccine for a day or so (as the first vaccination doesn't typically have side effects) instead of death.

Ugh -- a headache and being in bed for a day is so much better then dying. LOL. I understand not wanting to force vaccinations on people, as older people can just quarantine indefinitely if they want to / can but that's not a reason to just write off vaccinations as a whole.

Right!

It's like 99% of the people get no Covid symptoms, or mild symptoms.

It's like 99% of the people who get the vaccine get mild to intense symptoms of something, and some die.

And if you are in the hospital with some dangerous comorbidity, your chances of dying from the vaccine greatly increase.

I'd stay away from the vaccine. I'll take my chances with the 99% who get no or mild Covid symptoms.

[franky1]

your 99% stat is a figment of your imagination.
try to find reality. the numbers are not what you think

[BADecker]

^^^ I know, I know. I was simply playing the game. Most people think that Covid exists. So, to talk "their language," I act like it exists, too, at times.

And, I could have said "roughly 99%" rather than "like 99%." We all know that you can't split a person into pieces just to make an exact 99% claim. Either the person has it or they don't.

[squatz1]

Honestly, I wouldn't force older people to be vaccinated. Because according to sources I read that the covid-19 vaccine has side effects such as diarrhea and dizziness, and I don't want to harm the people closest to me, especially those who are old.

Of course. You wouldn't want to feel dizzy for a few hours! How barbaric! I know I'd much rather have respiratory failure and a 20% chance of death than feel a bit dizzy.

I'd really hate to feel the effects of the second vaccine for a day or so (as the first vaccination doesn't typically have side effects) instead of death.

Ugh -- a headache and being in bed for a day is so much better then dying. LOL. I understand not wanting to force vaccinations on people, as older people can just quarantine indefinitely if they want to / can but that's not a reason to just write off vaccinations as a whole.

Right!

It's like 99% of the people get no Covid symptoms, or mild symptoms.

It's like 99% of the people who get the vaccine get mild to intense symptoms of something, and some die.

And if you are in the hospital with some dangerous comorbidity, your chances of dying from the vaccine greatly increase.

I'd stay away from the vaccine. I'll take my chances with the 99% who get no or mild Covid symptoms.

You understand that the groups of people that we want to take the vaccine right now are those that have a very high chance of death if they were to get Covid? Somewhere in the realm of 5-20% depending on age and health related issues that cause them to be the first in line.

Like if you’ve ever gotten any sort of vaccine in your life you’d know that some mild symptoms — headache, aching, and so on is expected but that’s the short term (day or two) downside of ensuring that you wont die to this illness / wont be symptomatic so your chance of spreading it is lesser as well.

Sigh.

[o_e_l_e_o]

You understand that the groups of people that we want to take the vaccine right now are those that have a very high chance of death if they were to get Covid?

Incredibly basic concepts like the one you have stated here have been explained to BADecker multiple times. It's a concept so basic - that high risk people get vaccinated first - that a preschooler could understand it. BADecker's continued inability to grasp concepts like this should prompt everyone to ignore his nonsensical ramblings.