94 year old healthy woman gets the vaccine.

[BADecker]

I've already been vaccinated, thanks.

An interview is not evidence either. Links to large randomized control trials please.

So now you're trying to tell us that we must have faith in what professionals say, because the evidence doesn't mean anything to us ignorant people anyway. But that's part of the point. It is the professional people who Bigtree interviews who are the evidence themselves through what they have been doing and saying... at least they are the evidence for those of us who aren't knowledgeable enough to follow the actual medical studies.

And it is Big Pharma who is using bad faith, because they can't provide the safety studies required by law, which they would provide if they were using good faith. Odds are that they haven't done them.

What does that sound like to you? Sounds to me like the whole medical is a bunch of lying crooks, full of bad faith regarding the law and our health.

[o_e_l_e_o]

So now you're trying to tell us that we must have faith in what professionals say

I'm saying the exact opposite. You are the one saying "Have faith in what this person tells you". I'm saying "Here are the links to the trials".

It's OK to admit you were wrong and that there is no evidence to support your claim that the vaccine causes other diseases.

[BADecker]

So now you're trying to tell us that we must have faith in what professionals say

I'm saying the exact opposite. You are the one saying "Have faith in what this person tells you". I'm saying "Here are the links to the trials".

It's OK to admit you were wrong and that there is no evidence to support your claim that the vaccine causes other diseases.

The links to the trials aren't all there is. There is the interpretation. What I am saying is that the official interpretation isn't enough because of what the trials are showing.

For example. There's a difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus; Covid-19 is the symptoms caused by the virus.

The trials don't make a clear distinction between the two. Just because somebody happens to be cured of the symptoms, doesn't mean that he can't get the symptoms back, and doesn't bean he won't be infecting others. Why? Because the virus is only aimed at Covid-19, but doesn't do anything about SARS-CoV-2.

And this is only one example. It doesn't even include the people who are dying after getting the virus.

[o_e_l_e_o]

-snip-

What a long winded way to say "I have no evidence'.

[BADecker]

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What a long winded way to say "I have no evidence'.

What a way to say noting yourself. But here is some info that anybody can verify. It shows that the nations with the greatest medical systems, and the greatest doctors who are instructing them, are some of the worst regarding deaths by Covid.

Seven minute video - https://www.bitchute.com/video/LBpQjwNrTb6Y/

This is part of the full video - Fed Up - https://www.bitchute.com/video/u4J9vhv7Dhtv/.

Again, you can find the statistics all over the place, yourself. The point is that if they lie to us enough so that we have some of the worst Covid-19 death statistics, they are lying about the vaccine, as well.

[franky1]

again badecker derails a topic. all badecker is proving is his ignorance.
..we get it. you have proved your ignorance. no need to keep proving it
we formally accept your win. congratulations. we formally admit you are  ignorant, the result you hve been trying to prove for 11 months.

now we have played your 'prove badeckers ignorance' game for 11 months. its time you move on

actually learn what is happening in the real world
i know your next game is to flip flop and want to prove your not ignorant. so hurry up with the next game. start proving you can learn and understand whats really happening in the world

[FIFA worldcup]

You claimed the COVID vaccine causes people to catch other diseases. Present the evidence to support your claim. Failure to do so means you are lying.

It could be possible that vaccine do not suit few people who get vaccinated or there could be small side effects which are neglectable. For example if you get a typhoid vaccine there is a chance that you get little fever right after you injected the vaccine.

I've already been vaccinated, thanks.

Does this means that now you can never be effected by the covid-19 ?

[Natsuu]

I've already been vaccinated, thanks.

Does this means that now you can never be effected by the covid-19 ?

Let me answer this, There is still a chance for vaccinated peeps to be infected by the virus but the chances are closer to zero. Thats why there is different percentage of effectivity for different kinds of vaccine. Though, getting infected by the Covid after being vaccinated can make you be just sick but not to be hospitalized as you have already antibodies to fight the virus itself.

But just to be clear, vaccinated peeps can still spread the virus, as they can be infected by it, but the effect will be different to vaccinated and unvaccinated.

[tvbcof]

The face of Fabian Socialism in practice:



https://www.bitchute.com/video/AQZuHqNAWjxC/

Welcome to the 'new normal' under which we can enjoy the 'efficiencies' of the technocracy.






Was 2020 not hard enough for you?  Hold my beer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0fHMljbvLE

[Cnut237]

So now you're trying to tell us that we must have faith in what professionals say

I'm saying the exact opposite. You are the one saying "Have faith in what this person tells you". I'm saying "Here are the links to the trials".

The crux of this is science vs faith.

BADecker, those of us with scientific backgrounds use science as a tool to determine truth. We start from a hypothesis, an idea of a thing that might or might not be true. Then we gather data to test the hypothesis. We analyse the results and use these to reach a conclusion as to whether or not the original hypothesis is correct. We start from an idea, and then gather facts to determine whether or not the idea is correct. This is how science builds up over centuries, experiment after experiment, evidence upon evidence.

Your arguments aren't like this, they're faith-based. You start from a conclusion, and then seek out opinions and selective facts that back-up your pre-conceived idea of what is true. I challenged you last month to give me an example of one single occasion when you have changed your mind on something after being presented with facts and evidence. You failed to do so.

We are using logic, and facts obtained through the application of the scientific method, to try to convince you. We are linking to datasets, papers, charts. I've done this I don't know how many times, and I'll concede that it's the wrong approach, because science will not defeat a faith-based position. God of the ever-diminishing gaps, but for as long as we don't have a scientific explanation for every single aspect of reality, then faith-based arguments, although ever-weakening, will persist. We can't use science, logic, facts, evidence to convince you.

-snip-

What a long winded way to say "I have no evidence'.

What a way to say noting yourself. But here is some info that anybody can verify. It shows that the nations with the greatest medical systems, and the greatest doctors who are instructing them, are some of the worst regarding deaths by Covid.

But similarly, as your argument is faith-based, you shouldn't be searching for 'facts' to reinforce your position. If you want to use facts, then use them correctly. Start from an idea and use facts to reach a conclusion, not the other way around. If instead you want to start from a conclusion, then fine, do so, just don't try to support a faith-based conclusion with facts.

[Natsuu]

So now you're trying to tell us that we must have faith in what professionals say

I'm saying the exact opposite. You are the one saying "Have faith in what this person tells you". I'm saying "Here are the links to the trials".

The crux of this is science vs faith.

BADecker, those of us with scientific backgrounds use science as a tool to determine truth. We start from a hypothesis, an idea of a thing that might or might not be true. Then we gather data to test the hypothesis. We analyse the results and use these to reach a conclusion as to whether or not the original hypothesis is correct. We start from an idea, and then gather facts to determine whether or not the idea is correct. This is how science builds up over centuries, experiment after experiment, evidence upon evidence.

Your arguments aren't like this, they're faith-based. You start from a conclusion, and then seek out opinions and selective facts that back-up your pre-conceived idea of what is true. I challenged you last month to give me an example of one single occasion when you have changed your mind on something after being presented with facts and evidence. You failed to do so.

We are using logic, and facts obtained through the application of the scientific method, to try to convince you. We are linking to datasets, papers, charts. I've done this I don't know how many times, and I'll concede that it's the wrong approach, because science will not defeat a faith-based position. God of the ever-diminishing gaps, but for as long as we don't have a scientific explanation for every single aspect of reality, then faith-based arguments, although ever-weakening, will persist. We can't use science, logic, facts, evidence to convince you.

-snip-

What a long winded way to say "I have no evidence'.

What a way to say noting yourself. But here is some info that anybody can verify. It shows that the nations with the greatest medical systems, and the greatest doctors who are instructing them, are some of the worst regarding deaths by Covid.

But similarly, as your argument is faith-based, you shouldn't be searching for 'facts' to reinforce your position. If you want to use facts, then use them correctly. Start from an idea and use facts to reach a conclusion, not the other way around. If instead you want to start from a conclusion, then fine, do so, just don't try to support a faith-based conclusion with facts.

Then he will just state biblical statements to "enclosed" his conclusion, thinking it is the fact, and believed it.

[o_e_l_e_o]

BADecker is a lost cause. My goal with the above posts was simply to make it clear to anyone else reading his posts that he is making up unfounded nonsense with no basis in reality and no facts or evidence to support his position.

The vaccine works, works very well, and is safe. That is what the evidence proves.

[tvbcof]

The vaccine works, works very well, and is safe. That is what the evidence proves.

Even if that were true, there is simply no need for it.  This is evidenced by the many countries where it doesn't even register statistically such as Vietnam.  In other words, countries who, for whatever reason, cannot be easily bullied by the bigger ones.

Neither China nor the U.S. want to fuck with Vietnam.  Once bitten, twice shy I guess.  Vietnam is making their own vaccine too.  If I had to hazard a guess at the chemical constituents of their vaccine I would guess they are H2O and NaCl, and it will be as 'efficacious' against 'covid' as any.

[Cnut237]

The vaccine works, works very well, and is safe. That is what the evidence proves.

Absolutely. I'm eagerly awaiting my chance to take the vaccine.

Vietnam is making their own vaccine too.  If I had to hazard a guess at the chemical constituents of their vaccine I would guess they are H2O and NaCl, and it will be as 'efficacious' against 'covid' as any.

I would guess that's not as effective an approach. But why guess? Let's await the data.

[o_e_l_e_o]

This is evidenced by the many countries where it doesn't even register statistically such as Vietnam.  In other words, countries who, for whatever reason, cannot be easily bullied by the bigger ones.

Or, rather than making up statements with no basis in reality, we could look at the facts.

Over a year ago, Vietnam had already closed schools, had border health checks and quarantines, had travel restrictions, had mandated wearing masks, had an extensive contact tracing and quarantine system, and put whole towns under lockdown with the army.

Many badly hit countries still don't have some of those measures a year later.

[Natsuu]

This is evidenced by the many countries where it doesn't even register statistically such as Vietnam.  In other words, countries who, for whatever reason, cannot be easily bullied by the bigger ones.

Or, rather than making up statements with no basis in reality, we could look at the facts.

Over a year ago, Vietnam had already closed schools, had border health checks and quarantines, had travel restrictions, had mandated wearing masks, had an extensive contact tracing and quarantine system, and put whole towns under lockdown with the army.

Many badly hit countries still don't have some of those measures a year later.

I can see nothing but FACTS

[tvbcof]

This is evidenced by the many countries where it doesn't even register statistically such as Vietnam.  In other words, countries who, for whatever reason, cannot be easily bullied by the bigger ones.

Or, rather than making up statements with no basis in reality, we could look at the facts.

Over a year ago, Vietnam had already closed schools, had border health checks and quarantines, had travel restrictions, had mandated wearing masks, had an extensive contact tracing and quarantine system, and put whole towns under lockdown with the army.

Many badly hit countries still don't have some of those measures a year later.

The trouble is, in this case I know people personally in Hanoi and don't need to rely on what the mainstream media is reporting.  The are NOT wearing masks and 'social distancing'.  As a matter of fact, my friend just started another restaurant.

The situation in Vietnam is much like the situation in Wuhan, China a quarter or two after 'they started it':



Are you the kind of 'doctor' who will say that the same coronavirus can cause 200 times more 'infections' in one SE Asian country where they are using masks and face shields than in another where they don't?

Or the type of 'doctor' who will say that world travel is so tight that for 13 months Vietnam has remained isloated and SARS-cov-2 has been unable to jump across the S. China Sea?

Think hard, 'doc', before you choose one because we all know that that this is supposed to be quite infectious even by coronavirus standards.

Or are going to say that the _government_ of Vietnam is lying about their numbers?  If you open up that can of worms, then you are going to have to explain why a government like Vietnam is capable of lying and changing numbers while a government like that of The Philippines is absolutely above reproach and incapable of being swayed by political pressure and money to get the kinds of numbers that the vaccine scammers want to see.

[o_e_l_e_o]

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Great job following in BADecker's footsteps of providing zero evidence. Anecdotes are not evidence. Interviews are not evidence. "I have a friend who..." is not evidence.

Here is the evidence: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n415

Wuhan's mortality rate 56% higher than predicted due to an 8 fold increase in deaths due to pneumonia.

And yes, Vietnam has remained closed to all foreign nationals for a year, except a select few diplomats, experts, etc. who have to quarantine for 21 days on arrival. You should try Googling simple facts before writing all that nonsense.

[tvbcof]

...
And yes, Vietnam has remained closed to all foreign nationals for a year, except a select few diplomats, experts, etc. who have to quarantine for 21 days on arrival. You should try Googling simple facts before writing all that nonsense.

You are such a fraud and a joke.  The first vid I pulled up shows what a liar you are:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqmGKdIEPtE

This is Ho Chi Minh rather than Hanoi, but even in the international airport many people are not bothering with the masks, and nobody seems to care much.  Quite a lot of 'select diplomats' by the looks of things wouldn't you say?

OK, maybe not a 'liar' as much just an idiot who believes everything they read on mainstream media and looks at nothing else.  That would explain why you are wrong in interpretation if not in fact about almost everything you spew.  Probably more of a flat out liar though I would guess.

Whoever takes your 'medical advice' after seeing your lies about something like this deserves what's coming to them.  I'm guessing that you will actually agree with that as you guide people off the cliff.

Edit:  OK, to be fair, I see that although the vid was recently uploaded, it is from 2020.  But a quick look just now at flightradar24 shows at least 6 international flights coming into Vietnam.  Mostly to Hanoi.

Glad to have you verify that you believe a coronavirus pandemic could be halted for 13 months by some nebulous restrictions which are true in the mainstream media but not true according to people I know who actually live in the country.  'Doc'.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Sorry, petty insults and a video from February 18th 2020 aren't evidence either.

Since March 22, 2020, the country's borders have been closed to foreign travellers.

Amazing that a video from before the borders were closed showed the borders not being closed.
Maybe you could find a video of a concert from 2018 to prove there is no lockdown either.