Do You Trust In-House Casino Competition? (Wager/Multiplier/Raffle)

[Quidat]

You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.

If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.

Connecting to other platform as a sign of transparency? To think that creating one would really be that simple and if the management do such shady tricks then they can
anytime create one to patch up the hole on getting busted.
I do have always the same impressions when it comes to competition even though you are already on the top rank but on the last minute or hour then suddenly those
names do climb up in the leader board so fast.
I dont have any trust at all thats why i do skip most of competition and promotions out there.

[KTChampions]

You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.

If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.

Oh, why does a casino have to do this? I don't think they want to be associated in any way with BTT. Plus, how did you get the idea that real people are behind the accounts on BTT? Check out my investigations and how many multi-accounts I found here)
Maybe I misunderstood you, but if not, then your idea is very strange to me.

[dunfida]

You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.

If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.

Oh, why does a casino have to do this? I don't think they want to be associated in any way with BTT. Plus, how did you get the idea that real people are behind the accounts on BTT? Check out my investigations and how many multi-accounts I found here)
Maybe I misunderstood you, but if not, then your idea is very strange to me.

Strange idea indeed and as Quidat said above ^ there's no way on proving out those accounts are owned by each individual, so there's no point on having this kind of indication about legitimacy.

[South Park]

Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).

Could be, but I don't see casinos to do it, as what the OP is, gamblers are very skeptic in this kind of things. Gamblers tend to keep a close eyes on things they anticipated to win, so if the competition have been painted with other colors, there is a high chance of gamblers to notice it very quick. Aside from being skeptic, being friendly is also part of a gamblers attitude, so it is natural that this gamblers pretty much know who are they competing to.

Why would they care about that? Even if regular users could suspect something, there are many newbies who won't suspect anything and will fall into the trap. The crypto land is full of scams, casinos are not spared.

It is important because for the most part most of the money that comes to casinos comes from regular gamblers, it is obvious casinos spend a lot of time trying to get new customers but they also spend a lot of time trying to keep the customers they already have, if those customers realized that there was something wrong on the promotions they were receiving then why bother to keep playing in that casino when they can move to another one that is honest and in which they have an actual chance of winning competitions like those?

[mu_enrico]

So if we remove "reputation" from the equation, there are not many things that can determine fairness. The only practical idea is to observe whether the username was active in the chat or not. That's bad

So this case is still in the grey area, where there is no way to verify the competition's fairness.

The proposed idea about utilizing Bitcointalk also not perfect, but based on the history, cheaters often got caught as in guess the score on Betnomi or Adskinsbet? (I forgot). You can see also in multiplier competitions that the winners are well-known addicts.

[jaberwock]

You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.

Even if there is a real name, how do you know they are actually real people? Suppose the leaderboard shows the name Peter, how do you know if Peter actually plays or is just a dummy account to cheat players by placing Peter on the top of the wagering contests. Names and usernames don't matter as much as the reputation of the casino in my opinion because no casinos with a good reputation like PD would risk doing such frauds.

If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.

Stake allows users to connect their stake forum profile with their stake but that is to facilitate the user with the prizes they win on the forum in the various promotions run by stake. It has nothing to do with fairness or making wager contests more legit.

[famososMuertos]

In a way when casinos start they have bots and even players who test the platform, some even in god mode. It is a very valid question, but there are ways to find out, perhaps the easiest is reputation, some casinos have it because they have been verified and are handled on certain industry standards.

Among other things that help to have confidence in a (certain) casino is that these prizes, although they may seem high, most are so profitable that it would be stupid for a so-called serious casino to be involved in such a scam.

Perhaps it is repetitive in mentioning it, but the answer is as classic as your question about the OP, only use trusted casinos.

[leea-1334]

You really can't trust anyone unless there is a real name or account behind every user in the leaderboard. I feel the same with the exchange trading competition, I have joined several times and although I'm not really hoping to win, I just notice the top usernames do not resemble any real name.

If they connect the Bitcointalk account to the account on bitcointalk I guess that's something transparent. I think stake.com has this kind of system in which users in their stake.com forum are connected to their casino account.

Oh, why does a casino have to do this? I don't think they want to be associated in any way with BTT. Plus, how did you get the idea that real people are behind the accounts on BTT? Check out my investigations and how many multi-accounts I found here)
Maybe I misunderstood you, but if not, then your idea is very strange to me.

On the contrary,,, I think a lot of people in the casino industry would love to associate their players with a secondary source of identity without KYC. And if it is an active and old forum user here, then it is more likely to be a real player they do not have to ask for ID documents from. That is just my personal opinion though,,, and as you say it is not a guarantee of real identity but it is one extra step towards it:)

[stomachgrowls]

In a way when casinos start they have bots and even players who test the platform, some even in god mode. It is a very valid question, but there are ways to find out, perhaps the easiest is reputation, some casinos have it because they have been verified and are handled on certain industry standards.

Among other things that help to have confidence in a (certain) casino is that these prizes, although they may seem high, most are so profitable that it would be stupid for a so-called serious casino to be involved in such a scam.

Perhaps it is repetitive in mentioning it, but the answer is as classic as your question about the OP, only use trusted casinos.

Only the viable solution for you to take on because there's no other way on verifying out things to be true other than to be an employee on the said gambling site or company and having those information.

Other than that, you cant really find any proofs that they've been cheating.I dont exclude out those reputable ones because i do believe that they are still making out a bit of those kind of shady acts.
This is just in my hunch though but not totally been proven out.

Sticking out with reputable ones is a bit better but doesnt guaranteed out fairness.Just play on where the masses been hanging out and dont mind if those competitions are
fair enough for you to believe on.

[Lordhermes]

How about the casino platform that has the option of searching out usernames on the leaderboard, if the user profile exist then it's likely be a true user not a fake one. Also, you can verify it if you know a particular user that play with higher amount of money and wins it, that could also be way of verifying people on the leaderboard, I'm just having a feeling that there could be some ways if verifying those users if they aren't fake at all.

[Boov]

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

Bitcointalk published competition is legit compared to those advertised from social media or other website promotions. We can only relied on that aspects, because it's been supported by many trusted members who also participate with that competition.
In this ways, we can be confident to join and thus other fake users will be eliminated.

[uneng]

The issue is that the community wants to have total privacy and transparency at same time, what is impossible. To verify if a winner is legit you would need his personal ID and his betting history to make sure he isn't a casino's *strawman*. But no one wants to give personal details in public in order to join a competition. The maximum we can have are usernames linked to betting histories (when it is not hidden by the player or casino).
Anyway, the best you can do is to avoid a casino competition when you feel there is some cheating in the air, or just stick with single player games.

[ralle14]

Oh, why does a casino have to do this? I don't think they want to be associated in any way with BTT. Plus, how did you get the idea that real people are behind the accounts on BTT? Check out my investigations and how many multi-accounts I found here)
Maybe I misunderstood you, but if not, then your idea is very strange to me.

I guess with a linked account it simply adds an extra layer of difficulty to participate contests and i've noticed that it's somewhat effective at least on stake's forum as there's a lot of forum accounts that got banned there.

How about the casino platform that has the option of searching out usernames on the leaderboard, if the user profile exist then it's likely be a true user not a fake one. Also, you can verify it if you know a particular user that play with higher amount of money and wins it, that could also be way of verifying people on the leaderboard, I'm just having a feeling that there could be some ways if verifying those users if they aren't fake at all.

I think that's similar to what mu_enrico just mentioned above, even if every participant in the contest did have an actual profile it's still not enough proof to determine that they're unique from one another.

[sunsilk]

If it is coming from a reputable casino, I wouldn't doubt the competition that they held and the stats that they show. That is why their reputation is for.

About the leaderboards, yes, sometimes it is doubting if they have actually won the prize but I would still trust if that is coming from the very reputed casino. Otherwise, if it is from an unknown casino, it is normal to suspect.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

How about the casino platform that has the option of searching out usernames on the leaderboard, if the user profile exist then it's likely be a true user not a fake one. Also, you can verify it if you know a particular user that play with higher amount of money and wins it, that could also be way of verifying people on the leaderboard, I'm just having a feeling that there could be some ways if verifying those users if they aren't fake at all.

They can just fake the identity behind that player you know, if you are going to cheat then don't go half-assed on it along the way. I do trust in-house competitions because they are in a way make the players play more and have other reason for playing at that casino, I mean if you don't trust it then probably you aren't in that casino in the first place.

[justdimin]

In a way when casinos start they have bots and even players who test the platform, some even in god mode. It is a very valid question, but there are ways to find out, perhaps the easiest is reputation, some casinos have it because they have been verified and are handled on certain industry standards.

Testing the platform with bots and/or multiple accounts is a very different angle as compared to casino cheating giveaways by faking data and stats. I slightly agree reputation can be a good way to avoid fake giveaways and wager contests but even then we cannot assure if there is cheating going on. It's similar to how some players avoid betting on new casinos because they don't want to get in the hassle of verifying bets and rather go with the reputed ones knowing they won't cheat.

Perhaps it is repetitive in mentioning it, but the answer is as classic as your question about the OP, only use trusted casinos.

I recall a site named dicebitco.in or close to that name used to be very famous before a player found how they were cheating, so every casino is only trusted until they are caught cheating. I am not very actively taking part in wager races so it doesn't concerns me a lot though.

[South Park]

The issue is that the community wants to have total privacy and transparency at same time, what is impossible. To verify if a winner is legit you would need his personal ID and his betting history to make sure he isn't a casino's *strawman*. But no one wants to give personal details in public in order to join a competition. The maximum we can have are usernames linked to betting histories (when it is not hidden by the player or casino).
Anyway, the best you can do is to avoid a casino competition when you feel there is some cheating in the air, or just stick with single player games.

At the end this is what it boils down to, we want to retain our privacy and we are within our rights to do so, but when it comes to those competitions the only way to verify if the people at the top of the leaderboards are real people would be with KYC and no one is going to be willing to go through that so at the end the only thing we can do if you want to participate in those competitions is to only do so if you are in a casino you completely trust.

[paxmao]

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That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

You have good reasons to be sceptic in general, but there are places and places. Some edgy sites, too recent or that want to make just quick profit may try to benefit from such as strategy as fake players, however that eventually drives the customers out. The usual legitimate odds and methods are more than enough to drive the right profit from a betting platform, so for the old and well stablished ones there is no need to cheat.

[dunfida]

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That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

You have good reasons to be sceptic in general, but there are places and places. Some edgy sites, too recent or that want to make just quick profit may try to benefit from such as strategy as fake players, however that eventually drives the customers out. The usual legitimate odds and methods are more than enough to drive the right profit from a betting platform, so for the old and well stablished ones there is no need to cheat.

Gambling site owners would neither be minding on having a temporal profit out of cheating or would really be minding about making money in long term ones.
So cheating out those competitions would be no point because once the masses or community got caught you then say goodbye into your business
Its true that even with just those typical house edge and methods you would really be definitely profit and thats the word or common saying that
house do always win.

We cant directly tell if they are doing this stuffs in the past and changed up when they get some recognition, no one really knows.

[KTChampions]

Gambling site owners would neither be minding on having a temporal profit out of cheating or would really be minding about making money in long term ones.
So cheating out those competitions would be no point because once the masses or community got caught you then say goodbye into your business
Its true that even with just those typical house edge and methods you would really be definitely profit and thats the word or common saying that
house do always win.

We cant directly tell if they are doing this stuffs in the past and changed up when they get some recognition, no one really knows.

Even if they are not caught cheating, it will be an unprofitable undertaking. The point of bonuses is that in fact, they buy the loyalty of the player, and these bonuses are aimed specifically at the top players. If casino have not "bought" a player, then another casino will buy him, since a large player is a tasty morsel for any establishment. I read stories about how offline casinos paid the (top) players for flights and hotels and made a lot of profit because these gamblers lost much more than these costs.