Fake bets

[Ryker1]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.   

Well I think only greed people can do this, they were very hungry for having money and even they are taking advantage of other people they still ignore this just because of the money. Streamers like this should be reported if they are using Youtube for their streamer or any social media like Facebook, fraudulent is a fraud and that is the way how they will fool people especially newbies that are most likely prone to this kind of scam.
It is not bad if a casino was very clever in having a marketing strategy but they should keep in mind the fairness of the player and tell the truth and not for having a fake bet and hire a professional liar streamer.

[Silberman]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.   

While I have also a problem with streamers like that at the same time we must remember that no one but ourselves is going to care about our money and the way we use it, it is obvious that kind of advertising strategy is predatory but if it exists it is because it works, so people need to find a way to protect themselves and not fall victim of such advertising, and in a way this is very easy to do, do not rely in advertising which is so obvious about its nature, instead try to look for sources that are as objective as possible, and one of the best places to obtain information like that is our forum.

[AmoreJaz]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.    

Well I think only greed people can do this, they were very hungry for having money and even they are taking advantage of other people they still ignore this just because of the money. Streamers like this should be reported if they are using Youtube for their streamer or any social media like Facebook, fraudulent is a fraud and that is the way how they will fool people especially newbies that are most likely prone to this kind of scam.
It is not bad if a casino was very clever in having a marketing strategy but they should keep in mind the fairness of the player and tell the truth and not for having a fake bet and hire a professional liar streamer.

you can always read the feedback these days. for sure, one or more followers will be unhappy with the streamer and give his true experience as feedback. i don't think everyone will just bow their heads and say yes. because at some points, some of these followers will be screwed by following their advise or tips. and i don't think they will just be silent about this. also, usually too-good-to-be-true results are really superficial. don't just believe what you are seeing because they can easily deceive you with their antics.

[STT]

Of the three streaming sites, youtube, facebook and twitch; twitch is by far the least harmful.   Facebook was found recently to promote fake news and groups full of hatred because it maximizes earnings in their advertising.   Youtube sells the advert which has a non existent product, a cream that can fix life long scarring in 10 minutes of rubbing it on your skin or phishing scams are promotional activity youtube find most profitable to promote to all age ranges.   The company executives should be prosecuted for assisting in criminal activity, its far more negative then anything I've ever seen on twitch but people somehow want to rate gambling as worse then stealing.

[rodskee]

The most interesting thing is that many streamers advertise not only little-known gambling platforms but also known to many gamblers platforms with a huge number of negative reviews with evidence of fraud against them. I can understand a streamer who advertises little-known gaming platform for lack of information about it, but I will never understand a streamer who advertises scam!

When the intention is to earn money unfairly, anything is possible, don't doubt the ability of an influential person to do something to achieve their own benefits.
In a single video I've seen streamers posting speech bets on fraudulent sites, advertising links with referral code, earning from video platform advertising and in the end even selling some courses that "teach" their followers to make more profits with exclusive tips.
That is, they "shoot" to all sides, in order to get in one of these "shots" hit the target and get as much money as possible.

That's why we must spread the words mate , there are still some gamblers or those who are just starting in this gambling world in which becoming the target of all these misleading businesses .
they will do everything for the sake of Money because gamblers is the best way or tools to profit from their End .
The more people they fooled is the more money will enter the casino and higher percentage for His referral links .

[finaleshot2016]

The most interesting thing is that many streamers advertise not only little-known gambling platforms but also known to many gamblers platforms with a huge number of negative reviews with evidence of fraud against them. I can understand a streamer who advertises little-known gaming platform for lack of information about it, but I will never understand a streamer who advertises scam!

When the intention is to earn money unfairly, anything is possible, don't doubt the ability of an influential person to do something to achieve their own benefits.
In a single video I've seen streamers posting speech bets on fraudulent sites, advertising links with referral code, earning from video platform advertising and in the end even selling some courses that "teach" their followers to make more profits with exclusive tips.
That is, they "shoot" to all sides, in order to get in one of these "shots" hit the target and get as much money as possible.

That's why we must spread the words mate , there are still some gamblers or those who are just starting in this gambling world in which becoming the target of all these misleading businesses .
they will do everything for the sake of Money because gamblers is the best way or tools to profit from their End .
The more people they fooled is the more money will enter the casino and higher percentage for His referral links .

I don't believe that generating great commercials or promotions aren't misleading businesses; do you believe that your winnings will be decided by the platform? Of course, whether or not you win will still be determined by your luck. As long as the platform is profitable and fair to all of its users, I believe it is a prudent decision. In my opinion, fake bets from streams are simply adverts or promotions, and I'll still do my own research if the platform is truly good and not just based on an obvious promotion. I hope we can take something away from this; we should always learn to do research on whatever we come across. 

[goldkingcoiner]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.   

While I have also a problem with streamers like that at the same time we must remember that no one but ourselves is going to care about our money and the way we use it, it is obvious that kind of advertising strategy is predatory but if it exists it is because it works, so people need to find a way to protect themselves and not fall victim of such advertising, and in a way this is very easy to do, do not rely in advertising which is so obvious about its nature, instead try to look for sources that are as objective as possible, and one of the best places to obtain information like that is our forum.

The predatory advertising strategies like that only work because nobody is currently calling them out on it. We should have an accusation subforum for predators just like we have a subforum for scammers (aka scam accusations).

Once people start calling them out on their behaivor, we will see a huge change. But until then, we are stuck trying to get to the naive youngsters before they do.

[Naficopa]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.   

I agree that if streamers are making promotional video of betting on behalf of a casino, there should be a notice. Viewers should know that the game they are watching has no risk of losing money. This should be regulated by law.
However, if you want to accuse these streamers of being scammers, what about casinos that order the recording of such videos? Are you accusing them of scam too? If so, you should announce it, for example, in the trust section of Roobet Bitcointalk profile.

[Rengga Jati]

The most interesting thing is that many streamers advertise not only little-known gambling platforms but also known to many gamblers platforms with a huge number of negative reviews with evidence of fraud against them. I can understand a streamer who advertises little-known gaming platform for lack of information about it, but I will never understand a streamer who advertises scam!

Unfortunately yes, we can find them very easily in advertisements almost on most sites and platforms.
And many are also being trapped in the scam online casinos that are always offering very sweet interesting bonuses with easiness. That si why we must be careful when clicking or joining certain new sites that have no reputations.
And about the advertisement done by YouTubers or other figures, it may be consuming because sometimes they are quite popular but in fact, one of the sites that they are advertising is a scam. That is why we must also be careful when believing in some certain advertisements

[Naficopa]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.    

I agree that if streamers are making promotional video of betting on behalf of a casino, there should be a notice. Viewers should know that the game they are watching has no risk of losing money. This should be regulated by law.
However, if you want to accuse these streamers of being scammers, what about casinos that order the recording of such videos? Are you accusing them of scam too? If so, you should announce it, for example, in the trust section of Roobet Bitcointalk profile.

Well, it is not possible to 100% preventing scam practice in the crypto world, kinda we can decrease the ratio by educating potential victims. GambleAware should be sticky on Twitch sessions to prevent the newbies fall into this trap and keep draining credit cards or taking loans from close relatives in the worst case. Ethics are on the second plan if the plan is to make more money with tricky methods, unfortunately.

Any form of prevention is good to reduce frauds made on inexperienced users. You will definitely never be able to eliminate scams in 100%.
However, when it comes to streamers who mislead by claiming that they are really playing with real money, and this is not true, it should be regulated by law. If it is not regulated then it is obvious that the casino is taking advantage of it.

[Saint-loup]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.    

I agree that if streamers are making promotional video of betting on behalf of a casino, there should be a notice. Viewers should know that the game they are watching has no risk of losing money. This should be regulated by law.
However, if you want to accuse these streamers of being scammers, what about casinos that order the recording of such videos? Are you accusing them of scam too? If so, you should announce it, for example, in the trust section of Roobet Bitcointalk profile.

Well, it is not possible to 100% preventing scam practice in the crypto world, kinda we can decrease the ratio by educating potential victims. GambleAware should be sticky on Twitch sessions to prevent the newbies fall into this trap and keep draining credit cards or taking loans from close relatives in the worst case. Ethics are on the second plan if the plan is to make more money with tricky methods, unfortunately.

Any form of prevention is good to reduce frauds made on inexperienced users. You will definitely never be able to eliminate scams in 100%.
However, when it comes to streamers who mislead by claiming that they are really playing with real money, and this is not true, it should be regulated by law. If it is not regulated then it is obvious that the casino is taking advantage of it.

Why it would need to be regulated by law? Laws are local to countries while the streams are broadcasted internationally then laws can't do anything IMHO. Only streaming platforms like Twitch can do something against that.

[dunfida]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.    

I agree that if streamers are making promotional video of betting on behalf of a casino, there should be a notice. Viewers should know that the game they are watching has no risk of losing money. This should be regulated by law.
However, if you want to accuse these streamers of being scammers, what about casinos that order the recording of such videos? Are you accusing them of scam too? If so, you should announce it, for example, in the trust section of Roobet Bitcointalk profile.

Well, it is not possible to 100% preventing scam practice in the crypto world, kinda we can decrease the ratio by educating potential victims. GambleAware should be sticky on Twitch sessions to prevent the newbies fall into this trap and keep draining credit cards or taking loans from close relatives in the worst case. Ethics are on the second plan if the plan is to make more money with tricky methods, unfortunately.

Any form of prevention is good to reduce frauds made on inexperienced users. You will definitely never be able to eliminate scams in 100%.
However, when it comes to streamers who mislead by claiming that they are really playing with real money, and this is not true, it should be regulated by law. If it is not regulated then it is obvious that the casino is taking advantage of it.

Why it would need to be regulated by law? Law are local to countries while the streams are broadcasted internationally then laws can't do anything IMHO. Only streaming platforms like Twitch can do something against that.

True and there would be only changes if there's a certain country would really gave out some legal issues towards the platform that had been used and thats the time regulatory responses would take place.

Fake bets or some deceptive activity is something casual on this market specially into those streamers but as a viewer/gambler then you arent really that dumb on not to notice that.
No one could be blamed but only yourself because you arent forced to play on the first place.

[Naficopa]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.    

I agree that if streamers are making promotional video of betting on behalf of a casino, there should be a notice. Viewers should know that the game they are watching has no risk of losing money. This should be regulated by law.
However, if you want to accuse these streamers of being scammers, what about casinos that order the recording of such videos? Are you accusing them of scam too? If so, you should announce it, for example, in the trust section of Roobet Bitcointalk profile.

Well, it is not possible to 100% preventing scam practice in the crypto world, kinda we can decrease the ratio by educating potential victims. GambleAware should be sticky on Twitch sessions to prevent the newbies fall into this trap and keep draining credit cards or taking loans from close relatives in the worst case. Ethics are on the second plan if the plan is to make more money with tricky methods, unfortunately.

Any form of prevention is good to reduce frauds made on inexperienced users. You will definitely never be able to eliminate scams in 100%.
However, when it comes to streamers who mislead by claiming that they are really playing with real money, and this is not true, it should be regulated by law. If it is not regulated then it is obvious that the casino is taking advantage of it.

Why it would need to be regulated by law? Law are local to countries while the streams are broadcasted internationally then laws can't do anything IMHO. Only streaming platforms like Twitch can do something against that.

Probably it would be hard to introduce the same law everywhere, but I think regulations should be defined top-down. If such legal regulations were created, then stream distributors could be guided by them and introduce appropriate changes in rules on their platforms. It would also help to standardize these rules and ensure that there would be no "backdoors" in them. Of course, if the operators themselves did it, it would be much faster.

[Saint-loup]

Well, it is not possible to 100% preventing scam practice in the crypto world, kinda we can decrease the ratio by educating potential victims. GambleAware should be sticky on Twitch sessions to prevent the newbies fall into this trap and keep draining credit cards or taking loans from close relatives in the worst case. Ethics are on the second plan if the plan is to make more money with tricky methods, unfortunately.

Any form of prevention is good to reduce frauds made on inexperienced users. You will definitely never be able to eliminate scams in 100%.
However, when it comes to streamers who mislead by claiming that they are really playing with real money, and this is not true, it should be regulated by law. If it is not regulated then it is obvious that the casino is taking advantage of it.

Why it would need to be regulated by law? Law are local to countries while the streams are broadcasted internationally then laws can't do anything IMHO. Only streaming platforms like Twitch can do something against that.

Probably it would be hard to introduce the same law everywhere, but I think regulations should be defined top-down. If such legal regulations were created, then stream distributors could be guided by them and introduce appropriate changes in rules on their platforms. It would also help to standardize these rules and ensure that there would be no "backdoors" in them. Of course, if the operators themselves did it, it would be much faster.

It seems you are not aware of the complete story, because streaming platforms like Twitch have already rules against that and are already fighting those kind of fake gambling shows. They don't tolerate these behaviours anymore.

[Naficopa]

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I believe that such streamers have no place in our society. It is a pity that at present there is no real working tool to limit their advertising activities, which bring losses to gullible subscribers. Apparently, until we ourselves begin to protect the interests of society as a whole, such advertising activities cannot be eradicated.    

I agree that if streamers are making promotional video of betting on behalf of a casino, there should be a notice. Viewers should know that the game they are watching has no risk of losing money. This should be regulated by law.
However, if you want to accuse these streamers of being scammers, what about casinos that order the recording of such videos? Are you accusing them of scam too? If so, you should announce it, for example, in the trust section of Roobet Bitcointalk profile.

Well, it is not possible to 100% preventing scam practice in the crypto world, kinda we can decrease the ratio by educating potential victims. GambleAware should be sticky on Twitch sessions to prevent the newbies fall into this trap and keep draining credit cards or taking loans from close relatives in the worst case. Ethics are on the second plan if the plan is to make more money with tricky methods, unfortunately.

Any form of prevention is good to reduce frauds made on inexperienced users. You will definitely never be able to eliminate scams in 100%.
However, when it comes to streamers who mislead by claiming that they are really playing with real money, and this is not true, it should be regulated by law. If it is not regulated then it is obvious that the casino is taking advantage of it.

Why it would need to be regulated by law? Law are local to countries while the streams are broadcasted internationally then laws can't do anything IMHO. Only streaming platforms like Twitch can do something against that.

Probably it would be hard to introduce the same law everywhere, but I think regulations should be defined top-down. If such legal regulations were created, then stream distributors could be guided by them and introduce appropriate changes in rules on their platforms. It would also help to standardize these rules and ensure that there would be no "backdoors" in them. Of course, if the operators themselves did it, it would be much faster.

It seems you are not aware of the complete story, because streaming platforms like Twitch have already rules against that and are already fighting those fake gambling shows.

As far as I know, Twitch wanted or wants to completely remove streamers who operate not only in the field of crypto gambling, but also cryptocurrencies in general (I may be wrong, but I will check it later).
I think that instead of combating this type of activity, it should be properly regulated by all platforms.
Better for them to stay regulated and ethically promote cryptocurrencies than for them to be removed.

[Saint-loup]

Any form of prevention is good to reduce frauds made on inexperienced users. You will definitely never be able to eliminate scams in 100%.
However, when it comes to streamers who mislead by claiming that they are really playing with real money, and this is not true, it should be regulated by law. If it is not regulated then it is obvious that the casino is taking advantage of it.

Why it would need to be regulated by law? Law are local to countries while the streams are broadcasted internationally then laws can't do anything IMHO. Only streaming platforms like Twitch can do something against that.

Probably it would be hard to introduce the same law everywhere, but I think regulations should be defined top-down. If such legal regulations were created, then stream distributors could be guided by them and introduce appropriate changes in rules on their platforms. It would also help to standardize these rules and ensure that there would be no "backdoors" in them. Of course, if the operators themselves did it, it would be much faster.

It seems you are not aware of the complete story, because streaming platforms like Twitch have already rules against that and are already fighting those fake gambling shows.

As far as I know, Twitch wanted or wants to completely remove streamers who operate not only in the field of crypto gambling, but also cryptocurrencies in general (I may be wrong, but I will check it later).
I think that instead of combating this type of activity, it should be properly regulated by all platforms.
Better for them to stay regulated and ethically promote cryptocurrencies than for them to be removed.

Cryptocurrencies too? Where have you seen that? I'm not aware of that. I think cryptocurrencies are important for the platform because streamers can receive them. And big streamers like this platform because they can earn money there. So if they can't speak about cryptos they will certainly go elsewhere.

[South Park]

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

They really don't. Although I'm not following that much those streamers and content creators that focus more on gambling I see them once in a while, people should be careful with their strategy of convincing their audiences. I think there's a psychology impact why these advertisers are also choosing some line of audience like an age bracket that they're targeting through these streamers because they're likely to be the ones that are very much active.

Those streamers may not realize it but what they are doing is dangerous, when we see an ad on television we have no possibility to interact with the person promoting the product and this is obviously even more true if we are taking about someone famous, but those people not only have big influence over their viewers, by interacting with them they can more easily convince them about buying or using the products they are promoting, which makes this a very effective way to market something and it makes even more insidious any kind of fake advertising.

[madnessteat]

I guess you don't have to worry about gambling when you have unlimited sponsorship money! So trusting such streamers is like trusting Twitter's shitcoin shillers!
Gambling is fundamentally unprofitable for players, and by trusting ads that are designed to attract new gamblers you increase the risks!

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

I do not think that setting an age limit on the channel solves this problem because many children and teenagers watch YouTube without registration. They are gullible and very often try to get easy money. That's why I'm of the opinion that YouTube should tighten its policy for advertising fraud up to banning the channel without the possibility of restoring it. Only such measures will help clean up YouTube from promoting scams.

[Oilacris]

Seriously these streamers don't care about their audience.

See YouTubers like RiceGum, JapePual.
And recently I've started watching a streamer from the league community and he's promoting a well known gambling casino to their audience knowing full well the majority of the audience is under 18. But that solves after they put 18+ in the video but does that work for people who wants to break rules whenever they can?

They really don't. Although I'm not following that much those streamers and content creators that focus more on gambling I see them once in a while, people should be careful with their strategy of convincing their audiences. I think there's a psychology impact why these advertisers are also choosing some line of audience like an age bracket that they're targeting through these streamers because they're likely to be the ones that are very much active.

Those streamers may not realize it but what they are doing is dangerous, when we see an ad on television we have no possibility to interact with the person promoting the product and this is obviously even more true if we are taking about someone famous, but those people not only have big influence over their viewers, by interacting with them they can more easily convince them about buying or using the products they are promoting, which makes this a very effective way to market something and it makes even more insidious any kind of fake advertising.

I dont really believe that they havent able to realize it because they arent dumb people on not to notice that one but simply they had just set aside those conscience for the sake of income or making money.

They wouldnt care if there would be someone who would believe on him and make some big bets and lost on the gambling site just because he had been interested? This is actually a self preferred kind of

decision on which people do make out and there's no one should be blamed off but only himself.As long the casino online that they've been dealing with is fair and safe then i dont see any issues.

[l3pox]

I could agree with you that the internet can be a bit like the wild west sometimes in terms of rules

When a new project appears on the market that has not yet been regulated, it almost always looks like in the wild west. See that even Bitcoin, which has been on the market for around 12 years, has still not been regulated. I think that this type of marketing campaign will also be regulated soon and it will all have to be official. It just takes a while longer for that.

the interesting thing is:
some things can't be regulated and regulation sometimes will hurt more than help

but I'd agree that in terms of online marketing things can get tricky and we should be paying attention to how people make ads, specially when it comes to ads for kids
it'll still be easier to regulate it on traditional media than online


didn't see any news on twitch banning crypto related subjects too