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May 22, 2021, 04:48:18 PM
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If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

It is true that probability and statistics are fundamental. But there are many variants and strategies. So it is necessary to be able to read the opponent, to try to understand what this strategy is. If you stick to the statistics, the chances of losing increase. We cannot forget that a human player can be unpredictable.
Yeah, depending on statistics whether you are playing poker or making a sports match bet, does not increase your chances of winning most of the time. Especially, in Poker reading your opponent is the key. It might sound unrealistic, but by the time you will start automatically feel that you will start to read him by his emotions, facial expressions, anxiety, change in this voice tone, or even fear.

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May 22, 2021, 04:53:06 PM
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Now online poker is more difficult and easier at the same time. On the one hand, it is more difficult to understand the strategy that opponents use, and to discover patterns. On the other hand, it is played with amateurs that is easier to win.


If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

The correct way of bluffing is very hard, sure we can just try to bluff with any two cars, but the risk of running into the nuts is very high like that. We need to block atleast some part of the nuts with our hand to have a plausible bluff. I agree that professional poker players rely heavily on statistics, so bluff against them is extra hard. Too many times a good poker player will just call you down with Ace or King high, because the chances that you both miss the flop, turn and river is quite high. On Youtube it seems so cool to watch the best off bluff compilations, but these are very rare hands. I think its better to just play the best hands and don't try to rely too much on bluffing.
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May 22, 2021, 06:17:40 PM
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I think playing poker requires a good eye and knowledge of the statistics and probability of the outcome of the card it's hard to just imagine what kind of card you will get. We've seen some of them told it depends on the outcome base on the Dealers shuffling the cards. As for now, I've seen a lot of casinos in every game they get a different set of cards to prevent the doubt of their players. These are just things I observe on the opinion of people I know and my perspective too. Still, it's a risk-reward game the higher you risk the higher chance to win or lose.

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May 22, 2021, 06:27:22 PM
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The first and essential thing is to know how to show poker face

Second is to know your own habits (when affected by emotions), people are tend to show habitual actions depending on their emotions and this was observable especially when in the gambling table.

Third is to gain experience. You can't just learn it by day (Though, there are people who can do it almost the first time) but nevertheless, in our case, practice makes perfect.

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May 22, 2021, 07:30:51 PM
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Third is to gain experience. You can't just learn it by day (Though, there are people who can do it almost the first time) but nevertheless, in our case, practice makes perfect.
Yes,  many people are so lucky for their first winning.  But in fact,  they may be very hard to get that kind of winning later.  Does it only a matter of luck and unlucku or it has also relation to the platform,  that let beginner to win for the first bet? 

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May 22, 2021, 07:34:50 PM
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Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good  cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games. 

Being afraid of giving away takes during poker games is real issue. That is probably why at the moment is the best time to play poker on casino. Wearing a face mask will hide most our expression, if on top of that we wear a scarf, hat and glasses it should be impossible for anybody to read us. But if we do that than it is very likely that other players will do so too. Being able to show expressions is a good thing in my opinion because we can look excited when actually having a bad hand. As long as we can control our emotions we can make good use of them. Then again when playing online all these points are invalid.

yes, it's even harder to learn how to hide expressions without the mask/glass/scarf etc... and how to be more aware of our body expression,
quite a challenge

studying body language and observing it on other people doing everyday movements and actions is also quite rewarding for this.

In other words, playing poker of course doesn't always focus on the cards we have, everyone at the table will pay attention to the expressions of their playing opponents. this will damage our concentration in playing, if so of course offline poker games will not be fun, and the best option is to choose to play poker online.

hahahahah no way!
I find way more enjoyment on playing poker offline than online.
Online is more about the game, and only.
offline adds many other dimensions, making it much more challenge imo

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May 26, 2021, 09:29:43 AM
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Now online poker is more difficult and easier at the same time. On the one hand, it is more difficult to understand the strategy that opponents use, and to discover patterns. On the other hand, it is played with amateurs that is easier to win.


If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

I disagree. If it were so, poker bots would be winning all the time, because surely they "know" those things, probability and statistics, better than any human poker player.

The more I play poker, the more I realize that there's something else, maybe something that may look a bit irrational even, that is very important to win in poker. I said "may look' because in fact it's not irrational. Your actions may look irrational to your opponents, while you do it to be unpredictable, that's all.

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May 26, 2021, 09:35:47 AM
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Poker face and make it looks natural, that's truly hard to predict what encircling inside your minds.

Lots of gamblers practice this and make it realistic, they use this skills to take advantage with those gamblers who played against them,

if you able to practice this and managed to make it more realistic from time to time, you really got the opportunities to collect winning stats each time you made a call.
Besides the traditional poker face, aspiring pro poker players, mind games can be a good way to make things much more complicated for your opponents because they will be second guessing everytime since you employ two ways to confuse your opponent.

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May 26, 2021, 09:49:19 AM
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Second is to know your own habits (when affected by emotions), people are tend to show habitual actions depending on their emotions and this was observable especially when in the gambling table.


Sometimes we just don't know our own habits, sometimes our habits have unwittingly been learned by our opponents. Especially if we can't control
our emotions when playing gambling, this is very clear to our opponents and usually our steps are easy to predict. Therefore it is necessary to
understand ourselves, after that exercise to control emotions is very important. That way we can make changes to our habits, so this will surprise
our opponents, this is what ultimately makes us unpredictable.

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May 26, 2021, 10:23:09 AM
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If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.
I disagree. If it were so, poker bots would be winning all the time, because surely they "know" those things, probability and statistics, better than any human poker player.

The more I play poker, the more I realize that there's something else, maybe something that may look a bit irrational even, that is very important to win in poker. I said "may look' because in fact it's not irrational. Your actions may look irrational to your opponents, while you do it to be unpredictable, that's all.
This. Statistics and probability? Yep, they're most likely needed, though it's more of actually memorizing the cards that are possible for you to lose against while pairing up with the cards the dealer has already placed. That's just determining your odds though, and it's not like you can always fold when your cards are bad, or heck even at the middle range good cards. Bluffing is needed to guarantee a win in those cases, since it adds what @betwrong said, unpredictability.

 
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May 26, 2021, 11:20:21 AM
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This. Statistics and probability? Yep, they're most likely needed, though it's more of actually memorizing the cards that are possible for you to lose against while pairing up with the cards the dealer has already placed. That's just determining your odds though, and it's not like you can always fold when your cards are bad, or heck even at the middle range good cards. Bluffing is needed to guarantee a win in those cases, since it adds what @betwrong said, unpredictability.
Statistics and probability aren't on the realm of what the player can control so I don't think that it isn't really needed, you are right about memorizing the cards since a process of elimination is going to help you deduce the possibility but you are only limited to your cards and the cards shown by the dealer. Bluffing is good but you don't have to look like a try hard doing it because they pros will see through you when you are bluffing way too hard.
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May 26, 2021, 12:10:42 PM
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This. Statistics and probability? Yep, they're most likely needed, though it's more of actually memorizing the cards that are possible for you to lose against while pairing up with the cards the dealer has already placed. That's just determining your odds though, and it's not like you can always fold when your cards are bad, or heck even at the middle range good cards. Bluffing is needed to guarantee a win in those cases, since it adds what @betwrong said, unpredictability.
Statistics and probability aren't on the realm of what the player can control so I don't think that it isn't really needed, you are right about memorizing the cards since a process of elimination is going to help you deduce the possibility but you are only limited to your cards and the cards shown by the dealer. Bluffing is good but you don't have to look like a try hard doing it because they pros will see through you when you are bluffing way too hard.
Memorizing the cards will not easy to do, especially if a person that can not memorize them. Not many people can learn about poker, but they can learn more details about the game. They can also learn about how to bluff the opponent to have a chance to win. But that will be difficult if their opponent will have more skills than them because their chance to win will not be bigger. But I think if they can often to playing poker game, sooner or later, they can try to bluff and memorize the card of the opponent

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May 26, 2021, 12:50:19 PM
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Poker face and make it looks natural, that's truly hard to predict what encircling inside your minds.

Lots of gamblers practice this and make it realistic, they use this skills to take advantage with those gamblers who played against them,

if you able to practice this and managed to make it more realistic from time to time, you really got the opportunities to collect winning stats each time you made a call.
Besides the traditional poker face, aspiring pro poker players, mind games can be a good way to make things much more complicated for your opponents because they will be second guessing everytime since you employ two ways to confuse your opponent.

Strategy that's being created from experienced that they've already got while playing this game.

Just like what you have said, mind games gives hardship with your opponents. Not giving them any idea what inside you and with the
help of your emotion control, it will give you some good edge not being predictable. If you combine things out it will give you the outcome that you are aiming.
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May 26, 2021, 01:04:28 PM
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This. Statistics and probability? Yep, they're most likely needed, though it's more of actually memorizing the cards that are possible for you to lose against while pairing up with the cards the dealer has already placed. That's just determining your odds though, and it's not like you can always fold when your cards are bad, or heck even at the middle range good cards. Bluffing is needed to guarantee a win in those cases, since it adds what @betwrong said, unpredictability.
Statistics and probability aren't on the realm of what the player can control so I don't think that it isn't really needed, you are right about memorizing the cards since a process of elimination is going to help you deduce the possibility but you are only limited to your cards and the cards shown by the dealer. Bluffing is good but you don't have to look like a try hard doing it because they pros will see through you when you are bluffing way too hard.
Memorizing the cards will not easy to do, especially if a person that can not memorize them. Not many people can learn about poker, but they can learn more details about the game. They can also learn about how to bluff the opponent to have a chance to win. But that will be difficult if their opponent will have more skills than them because their chance to win will not be bigger. But I think if they can often to playing poker game, sooner or later, they can try to bluff and memorize the card of the opponent

I don't think that memorising cards is needed in poker. We won't really see the cards of our opponents, except of the table is being streamed online, that we could see other cards but this usually happens with a 5 to 30 minute delay. The only thing that we need is a poker strategy to play by, for that we will need to be able to calculate our chances of winning. This should be not so difficult if we don't multiple table many games. But since many people like to play fast online with many table at once, it makes more sense to create a chart for our hands we play with and our hands we fold. Such an strategy makes it very easy for us to decide which hands we want to focus on.
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May 26, 2021, 01:52:43 PM
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Memorizing the cards will not easy to do, especially if a person that can not memorize them. Not many people can learn about poker, but they can learn more details about the game. They can also learn about how to bluff the opponent to have a chance to win. But that will be difficult if their opponent will have more skills than them because their chance to win will not be bigger. But I think if they can often to playing poker game, sooner or later, they can try to bluff and memorize the card of the opponent
It isn't easy but if you put your mind into something, there is a high chance that you can do it. Bluffing is an easy skill to learn but the problem is how can you make yourself look convincing, you have to look like you don't know a thing about bluffing and at the same time know about bluffing without the opponent knowing the latter.
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May 26, 2021, 04:23:25 PM
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Now online poker is more difficult and easier at the same time. On the one hand, it is more difficult to understand the strategy that opponents use, and to discover patterns. On the other hand, it is played with amateurs that is easier to win.


If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

I disagree. If it were so, poker bots would be winning all the time, because surely they "know" those things, probability and statistics, better than any human poker player.

The more I play poker, the more I realize that there's something else, maybe something that may look a bit irrational even, that is very important to win in poker. I said "may look' because in fact it's not irrational. Your actions may look irrational to your opponents, while you do it to be unpredictable, that's all.

totally agree with @Betwrong here
somehow I wouldn't even classify poker as gambling, it's way closer to a skill game damn to betting, as an example
a lot more in play than just luck

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May 27, 2021, 03:27:25 AM
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I don't think that memorising cards is needed in poker. We won't really see the cards of our opponents, except of the table is being streamed online, that we could see other cards but this usually happens with a 5 to 30 minute delay. The only thing that we need is a poker strategy to play by, for that we will need to be able to calculate our chances of winning. This should be not so difficult if we don't multiple table many games. But since many people like to play fast online with many table at once, it makes more sense to create a chart for our hands we play with and our hands we fold. Such an strategy makes it very easy for us to decide which hands we want to focus on.
Each people will have their way to play poker so perhaps, memorizing cards will be one of many ways for them to win. Calculating the chances of winning is the other way to help us to win but not many of them can calculate with the right. We could miss the calculation if we don't have much experience playing poker card games.

It isn't easy but if you put your mind into something, there is a high chance that you can do it. Bluffing is an easy skill to learn but the problem is how can you make yourself look convincing, you have to look like you don't know a thing about bluffing and at the same time know about bluffing without the opponent knowing the latter.
Perhaps, I can try it someday, but I hope that will works for me since I don't much about poker cards. But I think I can bluff someone and make myself look convincing in front of them because I can do that in the other things Grin

Pretend to be a newbie can the other way for us to trick another player, so they don't expect that we have skills to win the game. I think that can work for people who want to hide their skills in poker.

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In the big tournaments, everything you do while playing poker will be noticed and the players have the deep analysis about your character and behaving on table so yes it is very important to be unpredictable and never show any kind of emotions when you get good combination of cards or the worst one then only you can bluff with the bet amount.
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May 27, 2021, 08:48:23 AM
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In the big tournaments, everything you do while playing poker will be noticed and the players have the deep analysis about your character and behaving on table so yes it is very important to be unpredictable and never show any kind of emotions when you get good combination of cards or the worst one then only you can bluff with the bet amount.

When I play poker, I imagine to myself, I just ate a very sour lemon.  

My opponents are trying to guess what I am thinking, but they are confused by my twisted face.  

They think I have bad cards in my hands.  However, it is not!  I have winning combinations of cards and my expression is just a bluff!  This trick was taught to me by my personal acting teacher.  

At the same time, when I have bad cards in my hands, then I act differently.  I imagine myself eating a meringue cake.  I have a blissful and slightly silly expression on my face.  

My opponents think that I have great cards and lose.

 
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May 27, 2021, 10:26:41 AM
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In the big tournaments, everything you do while playing poker will be noticed and the players have the deep analysis about your character and behaving on table so yes it is very important to be unpredictable and never show any kind of emotions when you get good combination of cards or the worst one then only you can bluff with the bet amount.

Most of those gamblers around you are just simply trying to read you out.

Some might try to give you the win that you wanted as they are trying to assess your strategy, it's best to have a plain expressions and keep it that way, experienced gamblers most of the time take a little longer assessing you.
Winning with this people is like palying against yourself, as in any moment you'll be catch offguard and snatch the win from your hands.
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