Suggestion about Merit Pop up

[bitmover]

Hello everyone.

I have a small suggestion for merit pop up
When I click +Merit to a user, I am redirected to this window:



The default value for a merit transfer is 0.

However, 0 is an invalid merit value to transfer. Additionally, I often write 1 and see "10" as a result, because i forgot to delete zero (I never clicked ok after that, thankfully).

I suggest that this default value is changed to 1, which is the most common merit value transacted. This will also avoid mistakes like sending 10.

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[isaac_clarke22]

Or make it at least a placeholder text of "Amount" instead of being a default value of the minimum valid amount so that if one decides to give merit more than 1 merit but less than 11, he/she won't accidentally send 12-19 merits as well if the default value is 1.

[Rikafip]

I think I saw others complaining about the same thing, and I must say that I agree as I don't really see the reason to have "0" set as default. To be honest, why have any number set as default as all that can cause is either to have to first delete that number or even you may misclick and send way more merit than you initially intended to. Not really a problem for me as I don't remember last time i had more than 6-7 merits to share, but that probably must have happened to merit sources. I guess.

[DdmrDdmr]

Perhaps a blank value would be preferable.

There is a spike in awarding 10 sMerits in a single TX, in relation to 9 and 11, but for amounts with two digits involved, there is a tendency to have more of a soft spot for multiples of 5. Can´t really infer from the data if those awarded tenners were all deliberate, or whether any or a meaningful number were due to the depicted effect.

Number of Merit TXs in 2021 by amount:

Code:

amount	nTx
1	18744
2	4982
3	993
4	881
5	513
6	115
7	76
8	50
9	31
10	131
11	8
12	13
13	4
14	3
15	14
16	3
18	1
19	7
20	21
21	6
22	1
23	1
24	5
25	3
26	2
28	2
29	1
30	6
31	1
33	1
35	1
39	1
43	1
45	1
50	15

[skarais]

What if someone forget to delete the number "1" when they want to send "2" so that the number of merit to be sent will be "21"?

I don't think a value "0" as default has any more potential error than a value "1" because it all started out habit. If regular users delete the "0" value before they add the number of merit to be send, imo error may not occur. I don't have any issue regarding the default value at the moment, that's fine for now personally.

[Oshosondy]

I suggest that this default value is changed to 1, which is the most common merit value transacted. This will also avoid mistakes like sending 10.

I think making it just blank will be the best, it will make people to avoid the error. But thinking it should be changed to 1 is just self centeredness, how about LoyceV that do send 4 or 6, or Suchmoon that do send 4 or 7, o-e-l-e-o do send 2. Because you do send 1 should not be the reason while it should be changed because there are some people that do send more than 1. Making it blank will be good by default, but if changed or not changed, always be careful and check and recheck before sending merit to someone.

[LoyceV]

What if someone forget to delete the number "1" when they want to send "2" so that the number of merit to be sent will be "21"?

That means a "1" is worse than a "0". It doubles the chance to send more than intended.
I've accidentally sent 40 sMerit twice so far: I never remove the 0, I just leave it as a leading zero. And once every few thousand transactions I messed up.

The easy solution is sending no less than 6 sMerit. That can only be "06". Unless it becomes "16".

Long story short: remove the 0, make it empty by default!

[JohnBitCo]

However, 0 is an invalid merit value to transfer. Additionally, I often write 1 and see "10" as a result, because i forgot to delete zero (I never clicked ok after that, thankfully).

I suggest that this default value is changed to 1, which is the most common merit value transacted. This will also avoid mistakes like sending 10.

Since we all are in the bitcoin forum and are used to send bitcoin and satoshi,s to other addresses. If this forum was not about cryptocurrencies, then i could have thought that someone might do this mistake but i do not expect anyone to do this mistake. If we can't double check the number of merits to send, how can we double check the sending bitcoin address and the amount of bitcoins to be send (one less zero can result in a big loss of money).

[Findingnemo]

I am am also with the suggestion of making the box is blank better than having any value on it and also why not we have a fast merit button when we want to give merits to so many posts at a time. Like 1 merit, 2 merits, 5 merits, 10 merits, 25 merits and 50 merits.

[Insanerman]

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Having a better user experience by using placeholders in text-input boxes is better than having a preloaded content in it. Some people then might experience the same problem as your solution suggested doesn't really eliminate your claimed problem but rather improve it a little. Other way is to make it's value empty once the user clicked the input box, and if it was changed already then clicking it again wouldn't make it empty again. With this, people struggling in misplacing numbers/misclicking wouldn't be bothered as they were required to input their initial amount at the first place.

[OgNasty]

Hello everyone.

I have a small suggestion for merit pop up
When I click +Merit to a user, I am redirected to this window:



The default value for a merit transfer is 0.

However, 0 is an invalid merit value to transfer. Additionally, I often write 1 and see "10" as a result, because i forgot to delete zero (I never clicked ok after that, thankfully).

I suggest that this default value is changed to 1, which is the most common merit value transacted. This will also avoid mistakes like sending 10.

I have nearly made a similar suggestion many times.  You are right, having the 0 in there is a pain in the ass and I see no good reason for it.  I think a 1 while making more sense for 1 merit transactions still could have the issue of someone adding a number and giving 12 merit when they meant to give 2 or having to take the time delete the 1 to put in a 2.  For that reason I think it should just be left blank.  It would make it much easier for those of us awarding merit on our mobiles without having to delete the 0 or worry about which side of the 0 our finger was recorded as touching the screen...  So ya, 1 is better than 0, but leaving it blank would be preferred to either.  Thanks for starting this thread so I didn't have to! 

[Lafu]

but leaving it blank would be preferred 

That would be the best solution !
Or maybe after you clicked the send button there will be another small window pop up and you have to confirm that you realy want to the send the amount of merits you have insert.
Like something : " Please confirm that you are sure to send  .... Merits to this user " and you click ok and it gets sended.
Just an Idea and dont know if that was written already in a other Thread.

[sheenshane]

but leaving it blank would be preferred  

That would be the best solution !

I tend to agree too.

But IMO, I don't have a problem with the current default value for a merit transfer (maybe because ain't merit source to send a bulk of smerit at once), it might not take too long for you to replace the default 0 to the desired amount that you wanted to send (asking my self, why it needs to be quick sending smerit?).  Probably that's for me but that's right and tend to agree among others above, leaving it blank would be a better solution to avoid the error of spending smerit or stay as is would be fine too.

[Welsh]

Blank is probably the way to go. By displaying any number at all, you're effectively already planting a seed that this is the expected amount, or the amount that they should award, which ideally isn't something you want to do. Especially as it is currently,  we probably want more people meriting more than a single merit to each post. 

The only issue I see with leaving it blank, and this probably isn't a big problem is that to someone that isn't familiar with the merit system, and most critically how to give merit to a post, while it is blank they might assume that clicking "merit, is enough to merit the post. Obviously, we have an error if you were to attempt that which states "invalid amount", however it might not appear immediately obvious where they should put the amount. Well, I say that it should be pretty damn obvious, but that all depends on the end user. I was taught, as many of you were probably too that you should make your UI as intuitive as possible, that even a drunk person could navigate it. This is often ignored, and sometimes it can be frustrating. Personally, the current system with a blank box instead of its current implementation sounds pretty self explanatory to me, but its hard to think if I wasn't as technically minded, and I wasn't familiar with the system, maybe it wouldn't be.

[nullius]

There is a spike in awarding 10 sMerits in a single TX, in relation to 9 and 11, but for amounts with two digits involved, there is a tendency to have more of a soft spot for multiples of 5. Can´t really infer from the data if those awarded tenners were all deliberate, or whether any or a meaningful number were due to the depicted effect.

Humans think in base 10, so 10 is a round number.  Of course, it will occur more frequently than 9 and 11; indeed, it would be remarkable if that were not the case!  I know that I have sent some tenners, and received some from people who clearly intended it.  Similarly (but less so) as for higher multiples of 10.

Now, just think:  What if there were a monetary system with irrevocable transactions?  Would people here have problems entering the amounts that they actually intended, before sending?  —And would transactions frequently be made in such amounts as 10, 1, 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, ...?

That said, I will admit that hereby, perhaps I may be a bit ornery; for I, nullius, find the default 0 to be quite pleasing.

[PrimeNumber7]

Perhaps a blank value would be preferable.

There is a spike in awarding 10 sMerits in a single TX, in relation to 9 and 11, but for amounts with two digits involved, there is a tendency to have more of a soft spot for multiples of 5. Can´t really infer from the data if those awarded tenners were all deliberate, or whether any or a meaningful number were due to the depicted effect.

There is a spike at 20 merits in relation to 19 and 20 as well. The number of times that 25 merits is sent is approximately the same as 24 and 26. There is a similar, but smaller spike at 30 merits being sent.

I think there is a chance that, when someone intended to send 2 or 3 merits, they ended up sending 20 or 30. It is unusual for someone to have 20 or 30 sMerit to send, so the above does not count the number of times someone had 20 or 30 typed, but received an error message due to insufficient sMerit balance.

I don't see any good reason to have a default placeholder in the box for the number of merit to send. IMO it should be blank.

[bitmover]

I agree with what most of you said: Blank is the best option.

There are two main pros of blank against any other number imo:
- it does not suggest any amount, as Welsh said.
- blank also avoid typos, sending an undesirable amount.

[hugeblack]

The modification below fits me perfectly. I use it as usersscript and I think it would be a good to applied in the forum.
I support  "1" inside of blank and did not encounter problems with it because all the options above the one are clickable boxes, so the possibility of an error is small.

In general, unless you are a Merit source, 1 option is good than blank.
As for Merit source, userscript is the best choice.

[Lorence.xD]

Personally, I don't think that it is necessary that they change the place holder for the merit because this could easily be solved if you are just alert and your head is not in the clouds when you are meriting someone, not to mention that there is a button to press before you can finally send merit which means that you can still review whether what amount that you put there is right so there is close to zero chances of accidental unintended merit amount being given away.

[shahzadafzal]

How about let the default value be 1 and make +  - buttons

Since 1 & 2 is the most common... it will

Something like:

[ChuckBuck]

How about let the default value be 1 and make +  - buttons

You think, between clicking multiple times and entering any one or two numbers, which one will be easier?
Personally, I find that changing 0 to 1 is not necessarily the right decision. Maybe it is suitable for those who regularly send 1 merit, only 1 merit. But what about others? if they forget that they have to remove number 0, they also forget that they have to remove number 1 or 2 or 3 or 4, ... It will cause them to send more merits than currently.
So, what is the idea? Very easy, just by 1 click. Just click after 0, it is always correct. What do you want to enter next?
1 -> 01
2 -> 02
3 -> 03
10 -> 010
15 -> 015
It won't be any mistakes if you remember where you have to click, right? No need to change anything except your click position, so why change this system so that bigger mistakes can happen? With number 1, 5 -> 15 (which one is more harmful?)

I guess it was also the original purpose of programmers, no need to change  
Edit: Sorry, it seems I echoed LoyceV's opinion. I have not read the comments below  

[ChuckBuck]

Now, I want to do a little analysis of why we don't need a change. Let's take a look at image below. Number 0 is located on the leftmost side of the input field. It mean, our job is clicking on it and enter the next number. So, is it hard for us to click after number 0? NO, IT"S VERY EASY. We don't seem to get a chance to click on part 1, because it's too small, unless we are really meticulous and want to click on it (or sometimes). As for part 2, I bet we'll click to it even if we don't focus. Even, I can play a track and still click on part 2. Do you understand what I mean? It's designed that we click and enter what we need in the next part, no deletion, no changes required.

So, my opinion, keep it there, don't change anything, it's not necessary  
Come here and honor me, theymos, sendddddddddddd me merits  

[shahzadafzal]

So, my opinion, keep it there, don't change anything, it's not necessary 

theymos gonna love this suggestion for sure <3

[LoyceV]

So, is it hard for us to click after number 0? NO, IT"S VERY EASY.

Now try to do it 8000 times, usually with multiple tabs to send sMerit to many selected posts at once. Add in some mouse acceleration and the fact that I don't want to spend several seconds (times 8000!) on each link, and it's bound to fail once in a while.

Let me show you my empirical evidence:

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Since I have to empty my source sMerit, I usually send 4 sMerit at a time. I wanted to Merit this post and accidentally clicked left instead of right from the "zero" on the "Merit a post"-page. As some claim I'm AI, I clicked "Send" at the same moment I realized my mistake, and my heart skipped a beat.
That default zero has always been risky, but it's the first time it hit me this hard. Maybe I should send 6 sMerit at a time from now on, so this mistake can't happen anymore.

To be fair, my biggest sMerit mistake wasn't caused by the default zero:

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I was trying to lower my source sMerit balance, and used LoyceMobile's sent Merit history to send those posts some more. With a dozen tabs open, I filled "04" in all of them before clicking "Send" (I have this AI-thing where I try to Merit as much posts in a single second as possible, I've reached 4 posts per second several times). However, I wrapped around to the first tab again, and added another 4 to the existing "04", right before I clicked Send. Long story short: I could see my 44 sMerit transfer to this post, but it was too late to stop it.

I wanted to leave the chain of events here, in case someone questions this transaction later. It's the biggest Fork Up I've had with sMerit
To easy my own mind: the post itself isn't bad, although it doesn't deserve 45 Merits. It's a Newbie who doesn't look like a spammer. So I hope the sMerits trickle down from there to others.
I've Forked Up less than 0.5% of all sMerit I've sent. This was a big Fork Up though

[ChuckBuck]

Now try to do it 8000 times, usually with multiple tabs to send sMerit to many selected posts at once. Add in some mouse acceleration and the fact that I don't want to spend several seconds (times 8000!) on each link, and it's bound to fail once in a while.

Yes, I know, I just want to say that people usually click on part 2. I am not claiming that it did not happen   that's why I put the word "sometimes" there. Maybe I should emphasize so people can pay attention to it  

unless we are really meticulous and want to click on it (or sometimes)

To be fair, my biggest sMerit mistake wasn't caused by the default zero...

Yup, it is the point. We shouldn't blame merit's page  

[LoyceV]

Yup, it is the point. We shouldn't blame merit's page  

So you're saying it's my fault?

[ChuckBuck]

So you're saying it's my fault?

lol, for sure  it is your fault when you are the greatest source of merit  your fault when you sent merit to too many people  I prefer an AI that doesn't make mistakes, and you are a special AI, you made a basic mistake