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March 25, 2021, 02:57:35 PM
Merited by suchmoon (9), Welsh (8), OgNasty (1), Lafu (1), shahzadafzal (1)
 #1

Hello everyone.

I have a small suggestion for merit pop up
When I click +Merit to a user, I am redirected to this window:



The default value for a merit transfer is 0.

However, 0 is an invalid merit value to transfer. Additionally, I often write 1 and see "10" as a result, because i forgot to delete zero (I never clicked ok after that, thankfully).

I suggest that this default value is changed to 1, which is the most common merit value transacted. This will also avoid mistakes like sending 10.

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March 25, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
Last edit: March 25, 2021, 03:23:48 PM by isaac_clarke22
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Or make it at least a placeholder text of "Amount" instead of being a default value of the minimum valid amount so that if one decides to give merit more than 1 merit but less than 11, he/she won't accidentally send 12-19 merits as well if the default value is 1.

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March 25, 2021, 03:22:10 PM
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I think I saw others complaining about the same thing, and I must say that I agree as I don't really see the reason to have "0" set as default. To be honest, why have any number set as default as all that can cause is either to have to first delete that number or even you may misclick and send way more merit than you initially intended to. Not really a problem for me as I don't remember last time i had more than 6-7 merits to share, but that probably must have happened to merit sources. I guess.





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March 25, 2021, 03:29:20 PM
Merited by Welsh (4), mprep (3)
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Perhaps a blank value would be preferable.

There is a spike in awarding 10 sMerits in a single TX, in relation to 9 and 11, but for amounts with two digits involved, there is a tendency to have more of a soft spot for multiples of 5. Can´t really infer from the data if those awarded tenners were all deliberate, or whether any or a meaningful number were due to the depicted effect.

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March 25, 2021, 03:45:23 PM
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What if someone forget to delete the number "1" when they want to send "2" so that the number of merit to be sent will be "21"?

I don't think a value "0" as default has any more potential error than a value "1" because it all started out habit. If regular users delete the "0" value before they add the number of merit to be send, imo error may not occur. I don't have any issue regarding the default value at the moment, that's fine for now personally.

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March 25, 2021, 04:14:53 PM
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I suggest that this default value is changed to 1, which is the most common merit value transacted. This will also avoid mistakes like sending 10.
I think making it just blank will be the best, it will make people to avoid the error. But thinking it should be changed to 1 is just self centeredness, how about LoyceV that do send 4 or 6, or Suchmoon that do send 4 or 7, o-e-l-e-o do send 2. Because you do send 1 should not be the reason while it should be changed because there are some people that do send more than 1. Making it blank will be good by default, but if changed or not changed, always be careful and check and recheck before sending merit to someone.

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March 25, 2021, 04:17:55 PM
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What if someone forget to delete the number "1" when they want to send "2" so that the number of merit to be sent will be "21"?
That means a "1" is worse than a "0". It doubles the chance to send more than intended.
I've accidentally sent 40 sMerit twice so far: I never remove the 0, I just leave it as a leading zero. And once every few thousand transactions I messed up.

The easy solution is sending no less than 6 sMerit. That can only be "06". Unless it becomes "16".

Long story short: remove the 0, make it empty by default!

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March 25, 2021, 05:16:52 PM
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However, 0 is an invalid merit value to transfer. Additionally, I often write 1 and see "10" as a result, because i forgot to delete zero (I never clicked ok after that, thankfully).

I suggest that this default value is changed to 1, which is the most common merit value transacted. This will also avoid mistakes like sending 10.

Since we all are in the bitcoin forum and are used to send bitcoin and satoshi,s to other addresses. If this forum was not about cryptocurrencies, then i could have thought that someone might do this mistake but i do not expect anyone to do this mistake. If we can't double check the number of merits to send, how can we double check the sending bitcoin address and the amount of bitcoins to be send (one less zero can result in a big loss of money).



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March 25, 2021, 06:06:45 PM
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I am am also with the suggestion of making the box is blank better than having any value on it and also why not we have a fast merit button when we want to give merits to so many posts at a time. Like 1 merit, 2 merits, 5 merits, 10 merits, 25 merits and 50 merits. Cheesy

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Having a better user experience by using placeholders in text-input boxes is better than having a preloaded content in it. Some people then might experience the same problem as your solution suggested doesn't really eliminate your claimed problem but rather improve it a little. Other way is to make it's value empty once the user clicked the input box, and if it was changed already then clicking it again wouldn't make it empty again. With this, people struggling in misplacing numbers/misclicking wouldn't be bothered as they were required to input their initial amount at the first place.

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March 25, 2021, 09:45:26 PM
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Hello everyone.

I have a small suggestion for merit pop up
When I click +Merit to a user, I am redirected to this window:



The default value for a merit transfer is 0.

However, 0 is an invalid merit value to transfer. Additionally, I often write 1 and see "10" as a result, because i forgot to delete zero (I never clicked ok after that, thankfully).

I suggest that this default value is changed to 1, which is the most common merit value transacted. This will also avoid mistakes like sending 10.

I have nearly made a similar suggestion many times.  You are right, having the 0 in there is a pain in the ass and I see no good reason for it.  I think a 1 while making more sense for 1 merit transactions still could have the issue of someone adding a number and giving 12 merit when they meant to give 2 or having to take the time delete the 1 to put in a 2.  For that reason I think it should just be left blank.  It would make it much easier for those of us awarding merit on our mobiles without having to delete the 0 or worry about which side of the 0 our finger was recorded as touching the screen...  So ya, 1 is better than 0, but leaving it blank would be preferred to either.  Thanks for starting this thread so I didn't have to! 


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March 25, 2021, 11:15:04 PM
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but leaving it blank would be preferred 
That would be the best solution !
Or maybe after you clicked the send button there will be another small window pop up and you have to confirm that you realy want to the send the amount of merits you have insert.
Like something : " Please confirm that you are sure to send  .... Merits to this user " and you click ok and it gets sended.
Just an Idea and dont know if that was written already in a other Thread.




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March 25, 2021, 11:51:22 PM
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but leaving it blank would be preferred  
That would be the best solution !
I tend to agree too.

But IMO, I don't have a problem with the current default value for a merit transfer (maybe because ain't merit source to send a bulk of smerit at once), it might not take too long for you to replace the default 0 to the desired amount that you wanted to send (asking my self, why it needs to be quick sending smerit?).  Probably that's for me but that's right and tend to agree among others above, leaving it blank would be a better solution to avoid the error of spending smerit or stay as is would be fine too.





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March 26, 2021, 12:58:31 AM
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Blank is probably the way to go. By displaying any number at all, you're effectively already planting a seed that this is the expected amount, or the amount that they should award, which ideally isn't something you want to do. Especially as it is currently,  we probably want more people meriting more than a single merit to each post. 

The only issue I see with leaving it blank, and this probably isn't a big problem is that to someone that isn't familiar with the merit system, and most critically how to give merit to a post, while it is blank they might assume that clicking "merit, is enough to merit the post. Obviously, we have an error if you were to attempt that which states "invalid amount", however it might not appear immediately obvious where they should put the amount. Well, I say that it should be pretty damn obvious, but that all depends on the end user. I was taught, as many of you were probably too that you should make your UI as intuitive as possible, that even a drunk person could navigate it. This is often ignored, and sometimes it can be frustrating. Personally, the current system with a blank box instead of its current implementation sounds pretty self explanatory to me, but its hard to think if I wasn't as technically minded, and I wasn't familiar with the system, maybe it wouldn't be.

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March 26, 2021, 01:31:57 AM
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There is a spike in awarding 10 sMerits in a single TX, in relation to 9 and 11, but for amounts with two digits involved, there is a tendency to have more of a soft spot for multiples of 5. Can´t really infer from the data if those awarded tenners were all deliberate, or whether any or a meaningful number were due to the depicted effect.

Humans think in base 10, so 10 is a round number.  Of course, it will occur more frequently than 9 and 11; indeed, it would be remarkable if that were not the case!  I know that I have sent some tenners, and received some from people who clearly intended it.  Similarly (but less so) as for higher multiples of 10.

Now, just think:  What if there were a monetary system with irrevocable transactions?  Would people here have problems entering the amounts that they actually intended, before sending?  —And would transactions frequently be made in such amounts as 10, 1, 0.1, 0.01, 0.001, ...?

That said, I will admit that hereby, perhaps I may be a bit ornery; for I, nullius, find the default 0 to be quite pleasing.

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Perhaps a blank value would be preferable.

There is a spike in awarding 10 sMerits in a single TX, in relation to 9 and 11, but for amounts with two digits involved, there is a tendency to have more of a soft spot for multiples of 5. Can´t really infer from the data if those awarded tenners were all deliberate, or whether any or a meaningful number were due to the depicted effect.
There is a spike at 20 merits in relation to 19 and 20 as well. The number of times that 25 merits is sent is approximately the same as 24 and 26. There is a similar, but smaller spike at 30 merits being sent.

I think there is a chance that, when someone intended to send 2 or 3 merits, they ended up sending 20 or 30. It is unusual for someone to have 20 or 30 sMerit to send, so the above does not count the number of times someone had 20 or 30 typed, but received an error message due to insufficient sMerit balance.

I don't see any good reason to have a default placeholder in the box for the number of merit to send. IMO it should be blank.

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March 26, 2021, 03:45:49 AM
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I agree with what most of you said: Blank is the best option.

There are two main pros of blank against any other number imo:
- it does not suggest any amount, as Welsh said.
- blank also avoid typos, sending an undesirable amount.

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The modification below fits me perfectly. I use it as usersscript and I think it would be a good to applied in the forum.
I support  "1" inside of blank and did not encounter problems with it because all the options above the one are clickable boxes, so the possibility of an error is small.

In general, unless you are a Merit source, 1 option is good than blank.
As for Merit source, userscript is the best choice.







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March 26, 2021, 09:59:10 AM
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I prefer "1" over blank because it's most common value (even though the default is "0") and i also frequently send 1 merit. It saves some clicks (especially for mobile users) every time you send merit.

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March 26, 2021, 10:34:28 AM
 #20

Personally, I don't think that it is necessary that they change the place holder for the merit because this could easily be solved if you are just alert and your head is not in the clouds when you are meriting someone, not to mention that there is a button to press before you can finally send merit which means that you can still review whether what amount that you put there is right so there is close to zero chances of accidental unintended merit amount being given away.

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