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May 10, 2021, 10:01:58 AM
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It does look alot like how I'd play, if they were drunk it'd make more sense but yea throw is unfortunately not that uncommon in proposition so vigilance is required.   What is harder to detect is special bets on a certain condition not the outright so much, so a bet on scoring at a certain time or quarter or an amount would be specific give good odds and not be as obvious.
Special bets require special conditions so it is a rare one to happen and not that illegal in the essence. Throwing a game is saying something about the character of a person.

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May 10, 2021, 10:29:50 AM
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for everyone who doesn't believe in fixed games in sports.

Since there are known and "documented" (on Wikipedia!) scandals about rigged games in Italian football - see here, or here - I don't know if anybody truly believes that this cannot happen... unless he's been living under a rock for far too many years  Cheesy

Also lower series have the same issues! Take a look of this news about the last combine in Serie D. Impressive see how much corruption there is behind this game even at regional/local level. I think this is a plague that affect most of famous sports / tournament...

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2021/04/21/combine-e-scommesse-terremoto-in-serie-d-si-indaga-su-una-decina-di-partite-coinvolte-squadre-siciliane-calabresi-e-30-tesserati/6173646/

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May 10, 2021, 11:34:04 AM
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for everyone who doesn't believe in fixed games in sports.

Since there are known and "documented" (on Wikipedia!) scandals about rigged games in Italian football - see here, or here - I don't know if anybody truly believes that this cannot happen... unless he's been living under a rock for far too many years  Cheesy

Also lower series have the same issues! Take a look of this news about the last combine in Serie D. Impressive see how much corruption there is behind this game even at regional/local level. I think this is a plague that affect most of famous sports / tournament...

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2021/04/21/combine-e-scommesse-terremoto-in-serie-d-si-indaga-su-una-decina-di-partite-coinvolte-squadre-siciliane-calabresi-e-30-tesserati/6173646/

The article is in foreign language. However I understood about the key element. These days the sporting authorities too are money minded. This is where the corruption takes hand and supress the able players. I thought it was there in my country, but this has been universal and found all around. In my country we can see this happen mostly with cricket. Now this has decreased a lot than past.

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May 10, 2021, 11:40:13 AM
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for everyone who doesn't believe in fixed games in sports.

Since there are known and "documented" (on Wikipedia!) scandals about rigged games in Italian football - see here, or here - I don't know if anybody truly believes that this cannot happen... unless he's been living under a rock for far too many years  Cheesy

Also lower series have the same issues! Take a look of this news about the last combine in Serie D. Impressive see how much corruption there is behind this game even at regional/local level. I think this is a plague that affect most of famous sports / tournament...

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2021/04/21/combine-e-scommesse-terremoto-in-serie-d-si-indaga-su-una-decina-di-partite-coinvolte-squadre-siciliane-calabresi-e-30-tesserati/6173646/

The article is in foreign language. However I understood about the key element. These days the sporting authorities too are money minded. This is where the corruption takes hand and supress the able players. I thought it was there in my country, but this has been universal and found all around. In my country we can see this happen mostly with cricket. Now this has decreased a lot than past.
That is happening in many countries but unfortunately, it is hard to know if that is really happening or not because they can easily hide the activity. Only a few people involved inside that thing will know and hide from others and keep it for them. Maybe that happened in football since sports contribute a lot of money which we do not know if they do not corrupt the money.

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May 10, 2021, 11:46:58 AM
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There have been many scandals in the eSports scene that come to my mind and it becomes pretty obvious as well. A lot of lower division leagues, be it Dota or CS Go.. seem highly rigged and they still go on as tournaments since there's no authority to stop them. Nobody even knows who the players are, and they just play with their pseudo-names. I'm sure there are similar cases with lower division football and Cricket as well. The issue with lower divisions is that its hard for the players to make ends meet with meager wages and tournament earnings. So, its easier for the fixers to corrupt them by providing them financial aids for little favors during the game. It cannot be avoided and I do not know what the solution to it is.

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May 10, 2021, 11:52:53 AM
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The article is in foreign language.

It's always easy to put a link into Google Translate. Here, I've done it for you (and probably others who want to read it)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2021/04/21/combine-e-scommesse-terremoto-in-serie-d-si-indaga-su-una-decina-di-partite-coinvolte-squadre-siciliane-calabresi-e-30-tesserati/6173646/

However I understood about the key element. These days the sporting authorities too are money minded. This is where the corruption takes hand and supress the able players. I thought it was there in my country, but this has been universal and found all around. In my country we can see this happen mostly with cricket. Now this has decreased a lot than past.

It's all about money. If rigging is somewhat possible, it will be attempted, at least. The smaller the club is, the cheaper should be to bribe them to lose a game.
Also it's difficult to track if a player or referee is gambling (indirectly, of course).

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May 10, 2021, 11:54:35 AM
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for everyone who doesn't believe in fixed games in sports.

Since there are known and "documented" (on Wikipedia!) scandals about rigged games in Italian football - see here, or here - I don't know if anybody truly believes that this cannot happen... unless he's been living under a rock for far too many years  Cheesy

Also lower series have the same issues! Take a look of this news about the last combine in Serie D. Impressive see how much corruption there is behind this game even at regional/local level. I think this is a plague that affect most of famous sports / tournament...

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2021/04/21/combine-e-scommesse-terremoto-in-serie-d-si-indaga-su-una-decina-di-partite-coinvolte-squadre-siciliane-calabresi-e-30-tesserati/6173646/

The article is in foreign language. However I understood about the key element. These days the sporting authorities too are money minded. This is where the corruption takes hand and supress the able players. I thought it was there in my country, but this has been universal and found all around. In my country we can see this happen mostly with cricket. Now this has decreased a lot than past.

It's now common in every side of the world, and in any available sports.

Though there are so many rumors but proving is another thing,  obvious doers are now suppress and suspended while to those
who are still planning to do it, they need to make more decent and not as obvious like this, they have to work accordingly and
make sure to prevent being caught.
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May 10, 2021, 12:00:50 PM
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It does look alot like how I'd play, if they were drunk it'd make more sense but yea throw is unfortunately not that uncommon in proposition so vigilance is required.   What is harder to detect is special bets on a certain condition not the outright so much, so a bet on scoring at a certain time or quarter or an amount would be specific give good odds and not be as obvious.
Special bets require special conditions so it is a rare one to happen and not that illegal in the essence. Throwing a game is saying something about the character of a person.
I don't know if it's not illegal in some countries, but in the Philippines, that is illegal as that would enter into the anti-game-fixing which is punishable by the Law. This is the specific law that I'm talking about. https://www.chanrobles.com/presidentialdecrees/presidentialdecreeno483.html

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PRESIDENTIAL DECREE No. 483 June 13, 1974

PENALIZING BETTING, GAME-FIXING OR POINT SHAVING AND MACHINATIONS IN SPORTS CONTESTS

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It's all about money. If rigging is somewhat possible, it will be attempted, at least. The smaller the club is, the cheaper should be to bribe them to lose a game.
Also it's difficult to track if a player or referee is gambling (indirectly, of course).
Sometimes rigging happens just to let the players have an easy time, reduce the stress and well, steam roll through the enemy team, building confidence. It happens afaik, especially against newbie teams vs newbie teams, most of the time it's just who's got the bigger backing and stuff. I'd reckon that most who actually host gambling for players and referees have quite a reputation, much so that it wouldn't actually get leaked even if someone got caught or something.


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May 10, 2021, 12:10:48 PM
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A professional basketball league called VisMin cup in the Philippines had a very controversial match last night as both team shows unusual and weird game in the professional sports scene ever.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tv5.espn.com/basketball/story/_/id/31259729/gab-probe-controversial-vismin-cup-game%3fplatform=amp
Rumors said that these both teams had to rig a game because there were a huge money involved in an online betting. But, everything's turned to be obvious that the officials had to stop the game after the 1st half because they believe something's not right that's going on, and they believe it wasn't just an off night.

Here's a video clip from this match up.
https://youtu.be/uwma0Qs2-ck
(video not mine, just for clarification purposes only)
Take note, that is a professional basketball game, and they were playing like a grade schooler. The other team had shot 0/10 ft.

Some professional basketball players in the Philippines coming from the major basketball league called PBA has shared their reactions on social media.
Most of them said "these players disrespected the game of basketball."
Some said they are even lucky to be playing despite the pandemic where a lot of professional basket players has lost their job.

I personally know that something like this has been happening since before in every sport, but with this obvious is such a huge disrespect not only for the game itself, but for the fans as well. This is such a huge fraud.

Im sharing this story for everyone who doesn't believe in fixed games in sports.


Yes, this is very sad.  

Fixed matches, when teams agree in advance who will win and who will lose, is unfortunately very common.  

I condemn such things.  

Indeed, in this case, sports teams are acting unfairly towards their fans and bettors.  Unfortunately, it is very difficult to expose such illegal behavior.  Athletes may declare that they are tired.  The coach can state that the players are ill.  Sports competitions are interesting only if there is fair competition.  Unfortunately, this is not always the case in sports.  

In ancient times, sports were not associated with money and commerce.  The champion received only a laurel wreath and respect.

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May 10, 2021, 05:09:10 PM
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It's all about money. If rigging is somewhat possible, it will be attempted, at least. The smaller the club is, the cheaper should be to bribe them to lose a game.
Also it's difficult to track if a player or referee is gambling (indirectly, of course).
Sometimes rigging happens just to let the players have an easy time, reduce the stress and well, steam roll through the enemy team, building confidence. It happens afaik, especially against newbie teams vs newbie teams, most of the time it's just who's got the bigger backing and stuff. I'd reckon that most who actually host gambling for players and referees have quite a reputation, much so that it wouldn't actually get leaked even if someone got caught or something.


Cheating usually occurs, when the weak team is clearly integrated, and there is intense competition at the top, when the top team is playing with the lower team is obvious, that's where the cheating happens, and the top team will definitely give the bottom team money ,,
cheating like that has often happened in the world of football ''
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It's all about money. If rigging is somewhat possible, it will be attempted, at least. The smaller the club is, the cheaper should be to bribe them to lose a game.
Also it's difficult to track if a player or referee is gambling (indirectly, of course).
Sometimes rigging happens just to let the players have an easy time, reduce the stress and well, steam roll through the enemy team, building confidence. It happens afaik, especially against newbie teams vs newbie teams, most of the time it's just who's got the bigger backing and stuff. I'd reckon that most who actually host gambling for players and referees have quite a reputation, much so that it wouldn't actually get leaked even if someone got caught or something.
Cheating usually occurs, when the weak team is clearly integrated, and there is intense competition at the top, when the top team is playing with the lower team is obvious, that's where the cheating happens, and the top team will definitely give the bottom team money ,,
cheating like that has often happened in the world of football ''

but in the OP's case, it was basketball, and if you are a follower of that league, you will surely know something is wrong even as a spectator. in basketball, it is easy to spot unusual movement if you are a fan of the team. good thing, the officials themselves called out the situation. because if not, they will also be held liable afterwards.
and yes, this cheating stuff also happens in other sports. they are just fooling themselves because they will lose credibility as well as trust from fans

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May 10, 2021, 09:26:13 PM
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It's all about money. If rigging is somewhat possible, it will be attempted, at least. The smaller the club is, the cheaper should be to bribe them to lose a game.
Also it's difficult to track if a player or referee is gambling (indirectly, of course).
Sometimes rigging happens just to let the players have an easy time, reduce the stress and well, steam roll through the enemy team, building confidence. It happens afaik, especially against newbie teams vs newbie teams, most of the time it's just who's got the bigger backing and stuff. I'd reckon that most who actually host gambling for players and referees have quite a reputation, much so that it wouldn't actually get leaked even if someone got caught or something.


Cheating usually occurs, when the weak team is clearly integrated, and there is intense competition at the top, when the top team is playing with the lower team is obvious, that's where the cheating happens, and the top team will definitely give the bottom team money ,,
cheating like that has often happened in the world of football ''

Using the description of weak teams and strong teams, you seem to be thinking that it's coordinated cheating, which I would disagree with since that would make them so obvious and the sports has no reputation for that. Cheating is not allowed in any sports, that is illegal, so if there's a cheat, usually it only involves one to two players and they are just trying to shave points as that is a kind of cheat that is not obvious to the fans.

What OP shared was really an obvious cheating, so they got easily caught.  Smiley

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It's all about money. If rigging is somewhat possible, it will be attempted, at least. The smaller the club is, the cheaper should be to bribe them to lose a game.
Also it's difficult to track if a player or referee is gambling (indirectly, of course).
Sometimes rigging happens just to let the players have an easy time, reduce the stress and well, steam roll through the enemy team, building confidence. It happens afaik, especially against newbie teams vs newbie teams, most of the time it's just who's got the bigger backing and stuff. I'd reckon that most who actually host gambling for players and referees have quite a reputation, much so that it wouldn't actually get leaked even if someone got caught or something.


Cheating usually occurs, when the weak team is clearly integrated, and there is intense competition at the top, when the top team is playing with the lower team is obvious, that's where the cheating happens, and the top team will definitely give the bottom team money ,,
cheating like that has often happened in the world of football ''

Using the description of weak teams and strong teams, you seem to be thinking that it's coordinated cheating, which I would disagree with since that would make them so obvious and the sports has no reputation for that. Cheating is not allowed in any sports, that is illegal, so if there's a cheat, usually it only involves one to two players and they are just trying to shave points as that is a kind of cheat that is not obvious to the fans.

What OP shared was really an obvious cheating, so they got easily caught.  Smiley
There are really rigged up games which you dont know if its really being rigged or not because its well executed or not really that much obvious unlike on what OP had shared on where those

kind of gameplays is way too horrible and even a grade-schooler would able to shoot those ball without having any solid defense. They should be penalized on what they've been doing

and its clear as day that this one is rigged and they should be shameful into theirselves on showing off those kind of shitty plays for the sake of money.

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May 10, 2021, 10:02:39 PM
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Obviously there is rigging in sports. It’s pretty rare in professional sports though. Sure it happens all the time in high school and is even somewhat common in college sports, but professional athletes are compensated to ensure that things like this don’t happen. When you’re playing for a paycheck you should feel a higher obligation to respect the sanctity of the game. The recent NBA referee scandal comes to mind as an example of it getting into the highest levels of sports.

I’m still mad about the Lakers beating the Kings in the playoffs because of that scandal and the Lakers beating the Suns in the playoffs. Damn crooked referee kept both my teams from their shot at a title. 

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May 10, 2021, 10:07:10 PM
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I don't know if it's not illegal in some countries, but in the Philippines, that is illegal as that would enter into the anti-game-fixing which is punishable by the Law. This is the specific law that I'm talking about. https://www.chanrobles.com/presidentialdecrees/presidentialdecreeno483.html

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PRESIDENTIAL DECREE No. 483 June 13, 1974

PENALIZING BETTING, GAME-FIXING OR POINT SHAVING AND MACHINATIONS IN SPORTS CONTESTS
Throwing is can be like a sold game and that's right, in accordance with the law, they should be penalized. And those players that have been involved were careless and didn't think what will be the exact outcome of their decision to participate to throw the game.

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CS Go.. seem highly rigged and they still go on as tournaments since there's no authority to stop them.

The Australian teams have been hit by a police investigation and 35 are suspended one to five years by ESIC, they were minor players but still very highly skilled and surely one or two would develop further and be relevant on the world stage with bigger potential earnings.   Considering criminal prosecution is possible and funds can be traced and have done in the past, losing the respect of any fan base which could carry on far past any limited strict career in the pro game its not really worth it.   Theres plenty of people who've played, not that great but become associated with the games like commentators or whatever and that can last a life time.  They really aren't being paid that much to throw in minor games from what I've heard

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May 10, 2021, 10:50:08 PM
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Rigging definitely happens in the world of sports and there is nothing we can do about it, even with the harsh penalties imposed on the parties
involved in rigging. This does not stop the rigging from happening, there are always reports every year that some sports competitions have rigging.
As you have said, we as ordinary people can only talk about it, without being able to prevent rigging from happening. Therefore it is very important
for us to be careful in placing bets, do research on the sports events that we want to make bets.
 
There is in fact something that fans can do if the rigging of games becomes so obvious that everyone knows it is happening all the time, and that is to stop watching the games and support the sport, after all if the games are rigged so frequently that everyone knows it is happening and people get disappointed with the sport then why watch it on the first place? Find another league or another sport that respects their spectators and enjoy your free time that way.
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May 12, 2021, 10:58:36 AM
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^^I think that's the weird part. You could always bribe someone and get a guaranteed game, like yeah sure that team should lose if that's done and I get that, not approve it but rigging in sports do happen and that's alright. However one thing is for sure, even if you are going to lose, at least lose while looking like you are trying, hell I would say play to win and maybe you will lose anyway? And if you don't, if the scores are too close, fake the part on defense and not on offense, let the other team score easier and act as if you were fouled on defense, call for a hooking, basically do all the faking on defense and just act normal on offense.

At least in that case when someone asks you could say "hey we scored this much points!! Why would we sell a game that we scored this much!!" which would be a good defense. These were just some idiots, they were so bad they didn't know how to sell a game out.

They were not necessarily "idiots", they could act like that on purpose to draw attention of the world to this particular game. With no people on tribunes and no TV broadcasting, the rigging could go unnoticed by the general public.

Overall, it looks like some managers have decided to exploit the situation with COVID-19, and rig some games "while no one's watching". It's good that there are honest athletes fighting the corruption.

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May 12, 2021, 11:21:28 AM
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The rigging and the corruption will not just happen in the low-level games because, in a high-level game, those things can happen without us know for sure, especially if many people contribute to that games.
People who often commit corruption will not think of being honest because they feel comfortable doing that thing many times and will not stop before getting caught.
Even if they get caught, they will not feel guilty for doing corruption because they do not have a shame to the public.
Being honest is hard, but that is worth it to do.
Yes it will be present in a high level league but it will be really difficult to pull the rigging off as there are millions of eyes watching and definitely out of those millions, there will be thousands that will notice the irregularities.
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