Sumo betting seems rigged - can you make profit with it?

[goinmerry]

Yes, that could actually happen in any sports regardless of their culture unless you know completely how the Sumo players move in every match.

Rigged or not, bettors don't even know if a certain match will be rigged. Therefore, it doesn't really matter if it's rigged or not since gamblers still have to choose on what to bet prior to the match. Now, in an event that a gambler loses and thinks that it was rigged then they can either, play the next bet by choosing not because of their favorites or totally stopped betting on that event.

It can also apply to other sports as there is no way a regular audience/gambler will know if a certain game will be rigged or not. As always, just ride and go with the flow.

[Hamphser]

Yes, that could actually happen in any sports regardless of their culture unless you know completely how the Sumo players move in every match.

Rigged or not, bettors don't even know if a certain match will be rigged. Therefore, it doesn't really matter if it's rigged or not since gamblers still have to choose on what to bet prior to the match. Now, in an event that a gambler loses and thinks that it was rigged then they can either, play the next bet by choosing not because of their favorites or totally stopped betting on that event.

It can also apply to other sports as there is no way a regular audience/gambler will know if a certain game will be rigged or not. As always, just ride and go with the flow.

This is actually true unless if you do have insider info then you would surely be aware on whats happening on the game and since its rigged then you can really take advantage on it but

if you are just a simple bettor on a typical day without knowing anything then you would definitely not able to find out if the game was rigged or not but only after the game has ended or ongoing

then you are the ones who could really judge off for yourself if it was fixed or not but chances to be known is not really that precise.

[hahay]

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

[Betwrong]

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

It's a horrible situation for them, but they always have a choice. They can refuse to participate in cheating. They won't be killed for that, nor will they go to jail or something. I understand that it can be hard to go against the will of your manager/coach or whatever, but after all it's up to you, to support unfairness or not.

[iv4n]

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

It's a horrible situation for them, but they always have a choice. They can refuse to participate in cheating. They won't be killed for that, nor will they go to jail or something. I understand that it can be hard to go against the will of your manager/coach or whatever, but after all it's up to you, to support unfairness or not.

As always, it's about the money! If a player can earn more with cheating (a lot more) he will probably go that way! Especially if a player has a big need for money (loans, huge bills, health issues, or some other situation that needs a lot of money to be taken care of), and he knows that he can't earn that money on a regular and honest way!

Is Sumo rigged?
In 2000, in both speeches and a tell-all book, former wrestler Keisuke Itai stated that up to 80% of sumo bouts were fixed. In 2007, Shūkan Gendai reported that yokozuna Asashōryū had been paying wrestlers to throw matches to him.

This topic reminded me of something I read recently! The yakuza members are no longer welcome at Sumo games! They are not allowed to participate in any way, and to even be at the tournaments!

The yakuza are no longer welcome at tournaments - and surveillance cameras are being used to try to keep them out of the audience.

But the damage to Japan's national sport has been done.

The article from 2010, check it out: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11390278#:~:text=The%20yakuza%20are%20no%20longer,crime%2C%22%20says%20Jake%20Adelstein.

[Zilon]

In a tournament as this it takes years of studying the teams to know who would likely be favoured in big tournaments. I am not surprised if this kind of game would be rigged it's looking like a fight so staged to entertain it's audience and not necessarily to inflict injuries on it's participants. Before betting in a game of this kind I would do a top down analysis. Checking on past history the performances of each athletes and how long each has been in the tournament as well as who has fame and more fans. I think judging by this would give me a upper hand.

[Jackl87]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

Well if that is the case than i am not sure if this can be called rigging in the sense of outside interference and bribing? I mean it sounds more like a unwritten rule between the participants of the highest league that they just don't go all out against a opponent that might get relegated if they would lose that match. Of course that is still not a right thing to do but the reasons why they are doing it are not because of manipulation but because of traditions. If bettors know about this fact though than i think it is a good opportunity to place a bet their on the underdog, because it could give you some nice return.

[traderethereum]

In a tournament as this it takes years of studying the teams to know who would likely be favoured in big tournaments. I am not surprised if this kind of game would be rigged it's looking like a fight so staged to entertain it's audience and not necessarily to inflict injuries on it's participants. Before betting in a game of this kind I would do a top down analysis. Checking on past history the performances of each athletes and how long each has been in the tournament as well as who has fame and more fans. I think judging by this would give me a upper hand.

If that game is rigged, it is hard for us to analyze which team or the athlete can win, and even if we can get the right team or athlete, we will hard to win.
Maybe their reason for rigging the game is that they want to entertain the audience, but that is the wrong thing.
It will be hard for the team or player to conceive what they will get in the future if they are the rigging player for getting more money.
The audience will not accept that thing and maybe they will report that to the authorities, especially if they can get the proves.

[AicecreaME]

You can, if you know who rigged it and talk to them to be able to know who's gonna win the match for you to make profits, but if you don't know who and you don't have any connections inside, then probably you'll never make a profit on every match unless you're lucky enough to hit the right player to bet on. Gambling is already hard and rigging it will just make your winning chances go to zero percent.

[Taskford]

You can, if you know who rigged it and talk to them to be able to know who's gonna win the match for you to make profits, but if you don't know who and you don't have any connections inside, then probably you'll never make a profit on every match unless you're lucky enough to hit the right player to bet on. Gambling is already hard and rigging it will just make your winning chances go to zero percent.

You can't talk with officials if they are involves with this, the best solution if you know if someone running a competition like this is to avoid if you know they are rigged since its nonsense to bet on rigged sports and I'm sure many gamblers will not enjoy to see the result at the end of the fight.

[aioc]

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Yes, of course, if you know who's going to win and who's going to lose in a game, he has a chance, to win big money, but make sure that all the information that he is receiving are all correct and coming from a reliable source, the worst thing that can happen is for you to pour a lot of money and end up losing because of unreliable information.

[kotajikikox]

It has been said that Sumo, the Japanese fighting sport is not as clean as it should be. Apparently, in the maximum cathegory - short of a premier league - there is tendency to let win those who need to win in order to remain in that cathegory. This was studied and mentioned later on a book called Freakconomics.

An article here-

Do you feel that knowing that a sport may be rigged you could actually turn it in your favour?

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

[AmoreJaz]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

maybe, just watch for entertainment purposes only. but not to the point of betting. because let's admit, this sports is fun to watch. so if you are not betting, you don't have to worry about possible rigging of the match. as you are just a viewer trying to enjoy watching the sports.
rigging will always be there, not only in this sports but all the other sports. as long as there are greedy individuals involved, rigging will exist.

[tabas]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.

[Quidat]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.

How about those rigging games of some of basketball sports? Do you tend to hate them up? Its not just right to have this kind of mentality
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.

Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.

[Rengga Jati]

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maybe, just watch for entertainment purposes only. but not to the point of betting. because let's admit, this sports is fun to watch. so if you are not betting, you don't have to worry about possible rigging of the match. as you are just a viewer trying to enjoy watching the sports.
rigging will always be there, not only in this sports but all the other sports. as long as there are greedy individuals involved, rigging will exist.

That's should be. If we were once a fan of some sport, it may be hard not to watch it again although we are losing our respect for the sport. Although I don't also like this sport, I have such experienced it, in Badminton. Where really hate with the organization and also some cheating and also a game that is not fair and has indeed been set so that the organization or certain individuals will be a winner or loser for money. It's even very embarrassing ever (and may often happen). However, because it has already liked, sometimes we must pretend not to know the condition and keep watching it. But not by doing betting. Likewise with this sumo sport and maybe other sports. This condition will occur in every sports field.

[michellee]

How about those rigging games of some of basketball sports? Do you tend to hate them up? Its not just right to have this kind of mentality
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.

Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.

We can not do anything except hate those who rigged the game, especially in basketball sports and we hope that the person who rigging can get caught and punish because of what he did. It is not easy to open the rigged games or investigate the sports that suspect getting rigged because those like an organization will hide the activity from anyone. We can do if we know about the rigged is report it to the authorities and ask them to investigate any possibility but make sure we can report to the clean officer, although that will also not be easy.

[tabas]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.

How about those rigging games of some of basketball sports? Do you tend to hate them up? Its not just right to have this kind of mentality
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.

Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

[carlfebz2]

Now I'm losing respect to the Sumo management , in past when i was young ? i really pay big respect to Sumo wrestlers because i Know hows their discipline and how to manage maintaining their health all those years.
But now that there is this kind of think? maybe i will stop watching and playing in games connected to this Japanese originated sports.

Don't lose respect for all of them. It's the same as any organization that when there's good staff and honest ones, some of them are corrupt and not working well.
Don't think all of them are involved in rigging their games and just like any sporting event, not all of them are aware of it. But if that's what you think and you want to stop watching those games, that's your point and no one can question you with that.

How about those rigging games of some of basketball sports? Do you tend to hate them up? Its not just right to have this kind of mentality
on where you do generalize when you do particular hate a certain sport just because of that rigging issue.

Well, its your own decision but its not bad to give out some opinions as well regarding on that manner.

As I'm saying, don't hate all of them. You can hate those that are involved but don't generalize the entire team or management because there were some of those that have been part of it.
That's what I'm saying, you hate those who really are part and became involved but don't include those innocent players or staffs of the management.

Even if we do hate them, there nothing we can do because rigged games can only be known when its proven but if not then those would continue to happen.

Profit talking about rigged games is impossible because you dont know if its rigged or not and those information cant really be known easily
unless if youre part of a mafia then for sure you would know.

Lots of instances where calls of rigged games can be seen but nothing has been proven out.

[Betwrong]

If we know or at least get a leak about who will win which may be arranged by an organization or whatever, then of course whoever bets with these guidelines will bring him a very good profit. When you get the right information then of course you will bet all in so yes, any cheating in gambling and / or any sport is of course very detrimental to those who bet normally. I can't imagine how athletes who are paid for such arrangements, they train day by day but when the game starts they are ordered to lose so obviously it is a loss for him too.

It's a horrible situation for them, but they always have a choice. They can refuse to participate in cheating. They won't be killed for that, nor will they go to jail or something. I understand that it can be hard to go against the will of your manager/coach or whatever, but after all it's up to you, to support unfairness or not.

As always, it's about the money! If a player can earn more with cheating (a lot more) he will probably go that way! ~

He will surely go the honest way in that case, without even considering cheating! If one is able to earn good money legally, it's pretty stupid  to put that ability at risk.

Especially if a player has a big need for money (loans, huge bills, health issues, or some other situation that needs a lot of money to be taken care of), and he knows that he can't earn that money on a regular and honest way!

I don't like to sound judgmental, but imo one can always find an excuse for illegal actions. Even putting the morality aside, engaging in illegal activity" is always bad for a person. Cheating may help you gain something short term, but the thing is that once you've started, you keep going that way, and in the long term it's always a disaster.