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July 03, 2021, 11:39:03 PM
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About the poor countries, it will longer than we except before the vaccine will reach the poor countries but I am sure the WHO are using capacity to make sure some few in those countries get the vaccine.

The WHO is suffering from their own bad planning. According to their COVAX scheme, the developing nations were to receive hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccines by now. But the shipments were halted in March, when India banned vaccine exports due to rising number of infections in that country. The WHO didn't had any backup plan other than the manufacturers in India and therefore the poor nations had to procure the doses from other suppliers. Many of them opted for the useless Chinese vaccines, which proved to be another blunder.
We shouldn't say WHO planning was bad at all it not their fault and the last time I checked the COVID was something different that we have never experience before and no one have a backup plan for it before it happened.
Because of the issue that may increase the chances of people getting the virus is why I believe Vegas casino regulators and owners are making mistakes.

They are doing this to attract those annoyed people with this kind of protocols,

we can't  deny the fact  that there are people who waned to feel free, those are the targets mostly of this action from the owners of this casinos,   people who wanted to play like in a normal ways of gambling, those gamblers  will go there and start enjoying without those annoying safety health protocols,  believing that with the full those of vaccines they are already immune with this virus and they can act normally.

Difficult story to me if you see the numbers exploding in Great Britain and the delta variant even killing people who were fully vaccinated, I think a certain level of caution is still important. The incidence in Great Britain is above 200 again, I think 216. Considering that Germany's is below 5, that's concerning difference if you ask me.

@mv1986 you totally understand my stance about this issue and it totally not acceptable for casino owners should allow people who are fully vaccinated not to use masks because they wanted to attract customers whereas a certain precaution ought to be followed.


About the poor countries, it will longer than we except before the vaccine will reach the poor countries but I am sure the WHO are using capacity to make sure some few in those countries get the vaccine.

The WHO is suffering from their own bad planning. According to their COVAX scheme, the developing nations were to receive hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccines by now. But the shipments were halted in March, when India banned vaccine exports due to rising number of infections in that country. The WHO didn't had any backup plan other than the manufacturers in India and therefore the poor nations had to procure the doses from other suppliers. Many of them opted for the useless Chinese vaccines, which proved to be another blunder.
We shouldn't say WHO planning was bad at all it not their fault and the last time I checked the COVID was something different that we have never experience before and no one have a backup plan for it before it happened.
Because of the issue that may increase the chances of people getting the virus is why I believe Vegas casino regulators and owners are making mistakes.
Foremost, I think that this not yet the time to be complacent just because of the availability of the vaccine. Protocols must be still in place and be observed by everyone to guarantee safety. And regarding with the plans and strategies of WHO, it is understandable that this pandemic has been one of a hell fight but given the time spent now battling it, much comprehensive plans and feasible results must be accounted for.
I agree with you, this is not the time to be complacent and it also not the time to complain about a certain organization incompetence because the pandemic fight was a hell of a fight and it never been easy for every organization involve especially the medical practitioner.

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July 04, 2021, 01:35:52 AM
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Difficult story to me if you see the numbers exploding in Great Britain and the delta variant even killing people who were fully vaccinated, I think a certain level of caution is still important. The incidence in Great Britain is above 200 again, I think 216. Considering that Germany's is below 5, that's concerning difference if you ask me.


Well, that's not the case in Las Vegas (still). This place is known to be luxurious and free, they tend to legalise whatever means to attract more clients and visitors. Face shield, face masks and other Covid protective gear is no exemption, thus it will be a hindrance to a place considered escaping from reality.

Though there were reports of a handful of delta variant in that specific county, but I don't think Vegas is changing any health protocols soon.
Not, unless if out break happens.
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July 04, 2021, 02:01:03 AM
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If those vaccinated people are also dying even if they're fully vaccinated, that's scary to think that there's a need to manufacture a better vaccine that has to be manufactured and made a case study as soon as possible.
Well vaccines are not a guarantee that you're free to become infected of the virus, its just a protection. Thus it depends on us if we're going to act as if there's no virus existing anymore or still follow the standard precautions.

Anyway its a good news that vaccinated citizen can already play in the physical casinos in Nevada however its still best to be cautious to not risk ourselves.

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July 04, 2021, 02:31:20 AM
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If those vaccinated people are also dying even if they're fully vaccinated, that's scary to think that there's a need to manufacture a better vaccine that has to be manufactured and made a case study as soon as possible.
Well vaccines are not a guarantee that you're free to become infected of the virus, its just a protection. Thus it depends on us if we're going to act as if there's no virus existing anymore or still follow the standard precautions.

Anyway its a good news that vaccinated citizen can already play in the physical casinos in Nevada however its still best to be cautious to not risk ourselves.

There are still some people who are misinformed, they think vaccines make sure they don't get infected with the virus. Even though until now there is
no vaccine that has been proven to be effective in protecting people 100% from the virus,  therefore we still have to follow health protocols.
Our own vigilance can prevent us from getting infected with the virus, I'm glad to hear that some physical casinos have indeed reopened.
But as you said, it's still best that we don't take risks, it's safer to play online gambling for the time being.

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July 04, 2021, 06:09:27 AM
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If those vaccinated people are also dying even if they're fully vaccinated, that's scary to think that there's a need to manufacture a better vaccine that has to be manufactured and made a case study as soon as possible.
Well vaccines are not a guarantee that you're free to become infected of the virus, its just a protection. Thus it depends on us if we're going to act as if there's no virus existing anymore or still follow the standard precautions.

Anyway its a good news that vaccinated citizen can already play in the physical casinos in Nevada however its still best to be cautious to not risk ourselves.

From the looks of it, many establishments all around the world are giving some bonus items or services to people who are vaccinated. This kind of commercial incentive gives people more reasons why they want to vaccinate. If you come think of it, then it might be a good thing that vaccinated citizens are getting these incentives. Still, the wearing of masks should still be followed if you are going to ask me. Asymptomatic people carry them, and we have no proof yet that vaccinated persons will no longer get the virus or be carriers of it.

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July 04, 2021, 08:37:40 AM
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I agree with you, this is not the time to be complacent and it also not the time to complain about a certain organization incompetence because the pandemic fight was a hell of a fight and it never been easy for every organization involve especially the medical practitioner.
What everyone needs is to be calm down and help whatever they can do to at least minimize the contagion of this corona virus pandemic. Well, for those fully vaccinated people regardless of what vaccine has been done to you, you should still be careful and be responsible. And for those who don't want to take the vaccine, no one is stopping you from doing it and no one stops the people that want to get vaccinated so they can go outside just like these people that go in and out with the casinos in the Vegas freely. And to those that are into conspiracies, all of us wanted to end this pandemic and what we all need is unity and cooperation.

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July 04, 2021, 09:50:19 AM
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If those vaccinated people are also dying even if they're fully vaccinated, that's scary to think that there's a need to manufacture a better vaccine that has to be manufactured and made a case study as soon as possible.
Well vaccines are not a guarantee that you're free to become infected of the virus, its just a protection. Thus it depends on us if we're going to act as if there's no virus existing anymore or still follow the standard precautions.

Anyway its a good news that vaccinated citizen can already play in the physical casinos in Nevada however its still best to be cautious to not risk ourselves.

From the looks of it, many establishments all around the world are giving some bonus items or services to people who are vaccinated. This kind of commercial incentive gives people more reasons why they want to vaccinate. If you come think of it, then it might be a good thing that vaccinated citizens are getting these incentives. Still, the wearing of masks should still be followed if you are going to ask me. Asymptomatic people carry them, and we have no proof yet that vaccinated persons will no longer get the virus or be carriers of it.

You are absolutely right. It is still too little time before we can draw proper conclusions about the effectiveness of vaccines, so wearing a mask in public places is a very important measure to contain the spread of coronavirus. The more people understand this and comply with it, the better for all of us.

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July 04, 2021, 10:14:49 AM
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Difficult story to me if you see the numbers exploding in Great Britain and the delta variant even killing people who were fully vaccinated, I think a certain level of caution is still important. The incidence in Great Britain is above 200 again, I think 216. Considering that Germany's is below 5, that's concerning difference if you ask me.


Well, that's not the case in Las Vegas (still). This place is known to be luxurious and free, they tend to legalise whatever means to attract more clients and visitors. Face shield, face masks and other Covid protective gear is no exemption, thus it will be a hindrance to a place considered escaping from reality.

Though there were reports of a handful of delta variant in that specific county, but I don't think Vegas is changing any health protocols soon.
Not, unless if out break happens.

Well, what I said was not meant to tell anyone here to be reckless. Indeed, I am convinced that most people pay attention to their own behavior, at least that counts for the people I know. You have an idiot here and there, but that's fine.

The threat is just that in places where alcohol, drugs and a lot of money are involved, the threat is higher that people don't pay attention. You can see that in England right now with the soccer games going on and all the pubs being open. It is no coincidence that there numbers are shooting through the roof, literally. The good news is that the death count is still very low. The bad news is that the death count always comes with a delay because you first have the infection and people start dying two, three, four weeks afterwards. That is the interesting part that needs to be watched in England now. Another good news is that the vaccination usually prevents people from dying, so at least everyone should try to be vaccinated before getting in touch with dozens or even hundreds of other people especially in closed rooms.

But there is also a whole different perspective and that is of course all the people who work in Vegas would fear to lose their jobs if Vegas forced to lock down the city. There is always pro contra, but there is no contra to cautious behavior Smiley

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July 04, 2021, 11:27:09 AM
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Too much controversy and issues with Sinovac. Those irregularities also happened on other brands and during their early trials, it's expected to have some issues but as time is progressing, they are developing a much more good brand.

I was vaccinated fully with Sinovac just a few weeks ago as it was required to my office but it doesn't mean I will now trust my future to the vaccine. I didn't feel anything until now and even willing to undergo a yearly boost of the same vaccine.

Even you are vaccinated with Pfizer, Moderna, or any top brands over Sinovac, it depends on your body how to react to it.
I will say the same as you because as long as our body has a good immune system, that vaccine can help increase our immune to better. But no matter what the vaccine, after we got vaccinated, we still need to be careful because after vaccination, our body can get side effects that will be different from the other people.

I am not yet vaccinated and still waiting for the queue that I do not know when they call. But what I heard from people who already vaccinated, some of them feel sleepy but there is no significant effect. Some of my friends say they do not believe in the vaccine and do not want to get the vaccine. But if I get called for vaccination, I will come to the hospital and am ready for that. After I am vaccinated, I will not go to the crowd for at least 2 weeks to make sure that I am okay.
Quite a few side effects can occur such as elevated body temperature during the first few days of vaccination and besides such symptoms, the vaccinated site will also swell, these are the cases I see in my country. The effect and immunity are also not perfect and sometimes vaccinated people become the mediators of the spread, considering the conjecture associated with such news, it is risky to encourage individuals not to wear masks, wearing a mask can be uncomfortable in communication but it is our protection and awareness with others
So it seems, the effect almost the same as the other people from other countries. We need to be concerned about how we can increase immunity so that we can prevent the virus from attacking our body before and after we get vaccinated. I am sure if we can have a strong immune system, we do not have to worry about any virus. I heard that the vaccinated people can still spread the virus to others if they can not take care of their health because after they get the injection, their bodies will be weak. The other different viruses can also attack their body and if people around them do not have a good immune, they can get attacked.

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July 04, 2021, 12:41:13 PM
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So it seems, the effect almost the same as the other people from other countries. We need to be concerned about how we can increase immunity so that we can prevent the virus from attacking our body before and after we get vaccinated. I am sure if we can have a strong immune system, we do not have to worry about any virus. I heard that the vaccinated people can still spread the virus to others if they can not take care of their health because after they get the injection, their bodies will be weak. The other different viruses can also attack their body and if people around them do not have a good immune, they can get attacked.

The same set of lies are being propagated again and again. Taking a vaccine doesn't weaken your immune system. On the other hand, it strengthens the immune system so that it can fight various infections. Natural immunity is a good option against non lethal viruses such as the ones that cause common cold and flu. But the COVID virus is more lethal, and you can't depend on natural immunity. Even for healthy people, some of the new strains have a mortality rate of >10% without medical treatment. So you need to rethink about it.
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So it seems, the effect almost the same as the other people from other countries. We need to be concerned about how we can increase immunity so that we can prevent the virus from attacking our body before and after we get vaccinated. I am sure if we can have a strong immune system, we do not have to worry about any virus. I heard that the vaccinated people can still spread the virus to others if they can not take care of their health because after they get the injection, their bodies will be weak. The other different viruses can also attack their body and if people around them do not have a good immune, they can get attacked.

The same set of lies are being propagated again and again. Taking a vaccine doesn't weaken your immune system. On the other hand, it strengthens the immune system so that it can fight various infections. Natural immunity is a good option against non lethal viruses such as the ones that cause common cold and flu. But the COVID virus is more lethal, and you can't depend on natural immunity. Even for healthy people, some of the new strains have a mortality rate of >10% without medical treatment. So you need to rethink about it.
Yes, it strengthens the immune system in our body. But before we got a strong immune system, a new immune from the vaccine needs to introduce itself to the old immune system in our body and there should be an impact that can happen to our body because the type of each immune is different. Our body will react with an unknown immune.

Maybe I can illustrate like this. We lived with 5 family members and we met a new friend and brought him to our house. If that person can introduce himself very well to other family members, all family members will welcome him. But if not, maybe one or more family members will have distances from him and need time before that person can blend with our family.

So related to the vaccine, it will need time before it can blend to the old immunity on ourselves and it might get an impact to us such as fever, dizziness, sleepy, chills. But if everything is okay and we do not have comorbid, that vaccine can blend perfectly in our body and protect us from the virus.

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Yes, it strengthens the immune system in our body. But before we got a strong immune system, a new immune from the vaccine needs to introduce itself to the old immune system in our body and there should be an impact that can happen to our body because the type of each immune is different. Our body will react with an unknown immune.

Maybe I can illustrate like this. We lived with 5 family members and we met a new friend and brought him to our house. If that person can introduce himself very well to other family members, all family members will welcome him. But if not, maybe one or more family members will have distances from him and need time before that person can blend with our family.

So related to the vaccine, it will need time before it can blend to the old immunity on ourselves and it might get an impact to us such as fever, dizziness, sleepy, chills. But if everything is okay and we do not have comorbid, that vaccine can blend perfectly in our body and protect us from the virus.

Your point is perfectly understandable. And this is one of the issues during vaccination. It takes 1-2 weeks for the vaccine to produce the antibodies within the body of the recipient. And the issue is that during this time the natural immunity may get weakened. The recipient may suffer from high fever, muscle spasms and other adverse reactions. If the recipient gets infected with COVID during this period, then his medical condition may get worsened. The only solution is to stay isolated for at least 7-8 days after receiving the vaccine (I don't know how practical this is, for blue collar workers).
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Yes, it strengthens the immune system in our body. But before we got a strong immune system, a new immune from the vaccine needs to introduce itself to the old immune system in our body and there should be an impact that can happen to our body because the type of each immune is different. Our body will react with an unknown immune.

Maybe I can illustrate like this. We lived with 5 family members and we met a new friend and brought him to our house. If that person can introduce himself very well to other family members, all family members will welcome him. But if not, maybe one or more family members will have distances from him and need time before that person can blend with our family.

So related to the vaccine, it will need time before it can blend to the old immunity on ourselves and it might get an impact to us such as fever, dizziness, sleepy, chills. But if everything is okay and we do not have comorbid, that vaccine can blend perfectly in our body and protect us from the virus.

Your point is perfectly understandable. And this is one of the issues during vaccination. It takes 1-2 weeks for the vaccine to produce the antibodies within the body of the recipient. And the issue is that during this time the natural immunity may get weakened. The recipient may suffer from high fever, muscle spasms and other adverse reactions. If the recipient gets infected with COVID during this period, then his medical condition may get worsened. The only solution is to stay isolated for at least 7-8 days after receiving the vaccine (I don't know how practical this is, for blue collar workers).

Looks like you really know about the vaccine, thanks to you, you give me a little idea because I have not received my vaccine yet. I guess when we get injected with the vaccine, there are also briefing before and after on what to follow in order to be safe, so for a responsible person, if it says he has to stay at home  for a week, surely they'll follow.

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Difficult story to me if you see the numbers exploding in Great Britain and the delta variant even killing people who were fully vaccinated, I think a certain level of caution is still important. The incidence in Great Britain is above 200 again, I think 216. Considering that Germany's is below 5, that's concerning difference if you ask me.


Well, that's not the case in Las Vegas (still). This place is known to be luxurious and free, they tend to legalise whatever means to attract more clients and visitors. Face shield, face masks and other Covid protective gear is no exemption, thus it will be a hindrance to a place considered escaping from reality.

Though there were reports of a handful of delta variant in that specific county, but I don't think Vegas is changing any health protocols soon.
Not, unless if out break happens.

Well, what I said was not meant to tell anyone here to be reckless. Indeed, I am convinced that most people pay attention to their own behavior, at least that counts for the people I know. You have an idiot here and there, but that's fine.

The threat is just that in places where alcohol, drugs and a lot of money are involved, the threat is higher that people don't pay attention. You can see that in England right now with the soccer games going on and all the pubs being open. It is no coincidence that there numbers are shooting through the roof, literally. The good news is that the death count is still very low. The bad news is that the death count always comes with a delay because you first have the infection and people start dying two, three, four weeks afterwards. That is the interesting part that needs to be watched in England now. Another good news is that the vaccination usually prevents people from dying, so at least everyone should try to be vaccinated before getting in touch with dozens or even hundreds of other people especially in closed rooms.

But there is also a whole different perspective and that is of course all the people who work in Vegas would fear to lose their jobs if Vegas forced to lock down the city. There is always pro contra, but there is no contra to cautious behavior Smiley
The reason why I think the Vegas government should change the chance of some people spared of using mask are because of the danger that may arise and as mv1986 said people who are alcohol, drugs etc can easily misbehavior and it won't be for the casino owners to wait till an out break happen as said by Oasisman

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I do feel like there is another reason for you guys to be vaccinated! You can actually experience normal casinos like before pandemic if you do wear the mask and follow the protocols.



Even if you are not going to casinos you be should be vaccinated in the first place, and even if you are fully vaccinated, you should be aware that the virus has mutated and you can infect your loved ones who are still not vaccinated until all your families are fully vaccinated you should still follow the protocol follow the health experts not what casinos operators are saying.

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You are absolutely right. It is still too little time before we can draw proper conclusions about the effectiveness of vaccines, so wearing a mask in public places is a very important measure to contain the spread of coronavirus. The more people understand this and comply with it, the better for all of us.

For most people who are really concern about their health,

putting those mask and shield still the best practice to lessen the chance of getting infected,

not because you are already vaccinated, still not being proven that you are free or you can't carry this and spread the virus with your love ones,

Still better to continue doing those safety protocols even you are already annoyed using it in your everyday life.
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~snip~

Many people are already so used to wearing masks that even when the pandemic is over and all restrictions are lifted they will still wear a mask before going out. If someone had told me 10 years ago that we would all wear masks and keep a social distance I would have called him crazy.

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From the point of view of Health, I respect the decision of each person to get vaccinated, I have not been vaccinated and I think I will not, based on the principle that the virus has side chains of HIV, it means that in small amounts they are injecting us with that more the virus, also from the scientific point of view, the real time for them to develop an efficient vaccine lasts around 5 years, and does not depend on the money of the sponsors, it depends on the degree of knowledge of the virus, no specialist knows even 50 % the virus, because each strain that comes out new the vaccine is not efficient, in fact, those who have been vaccinated only have an immunity of 33%, which, for me, is nothing.

Many people in Colombia were vaccinated, even with Pfizer, and they did not go out and take care of themselves with their masks but it gave them the virus and in a few days it killed them, so the vaccine unfortunately does not have the expected effect, although by News from the Television Channel Caracol a doctor said that those who were vaccinated had fewer options to get infected, so this is not a guarantee, therefore in casinos there must be very demanding prevention measures, even more than in hospitals because it is not known how many people are infected and they are only carriers.

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I do feel like there is another reason for you guys to be vaccinated! You can actually experience normal casinos like before pandemic if you do wear the mask and follow the protocols.



Even if you are not going to casinos you be should be vaccinated in the first place, and even if you are fully vaccinated, you should be aware that the virus has mutated and you can infect your loved ones who are still not vaccinated until all your families are fully vaccinated you should still follow the protocol follow the health experts not what casinos operators are saying.
Wearing a mask and social distancing are the most effective ways to avoid the virus, and vaccination doesn't guarantee you won't get infected if you don't follow health protocols.
because there are some who have been vaccinated but are still infected because they are proud not to wear masks too often without realizing it just to increase immunity, you should still wear masks and follow health protocols wherever you go to the casino or anywhere for the safety of yourself and your loved ones.
Casinos are places where people we don't know and won't know for sure have been vaccinated or not, it's best to stay alert and self-aware.

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July 04, 2021, 04:25:39 PM
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The same set of lies are being propagated again and again. Taking a vaccine doesn't weaken your immune system. On the other hand, it strengthens the immune system so that it can fight various infections. Natural immunity is a good option against non lethal viruses such as the ones that cause common cold and flu. But the COVID virus is more lethal, and you can't depend on natural immunity. Even for healthy people, some of the new strains have a mortality rate of >10% without medical treatment. So you need to rethink about it.

What can you say about those who have had mild or even asymptomatic covid? How did this happen? I think it's due to natural immunity. As you know, most of the victims had a weakened immune system due to various chronic diseases. Therefore, relying on natural immunity if you are generally healthy is quite reasonable.

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