Fully vaccinated individuals now spared of masks in the casinos in Vegas

[Vishnu.Reang]

What can you say about those who have had mild or even asymptomatic covid? How did this happen? I think it's due to natural immunity. As you know, most of the victims had a weakened immune system due to various chronic diseases. Therefore, relying on natural immunity if you are generally healthy is quite reasonable.

The mild and asymptomatic cases are rare now. Most of the new infections result from the mutant strain, and in almost all the cases the patients need hospitalization. Here in India, the death rate from Delta variant was calculated at 7% in one of the cities (and that too may be an undercount). For the original strain, the death rate was less than 1%. And the vast majority of those who died from Delta were those aged less than 45 years. It may still be possible for healthy young adults to rely on natural immunity. But there is a big risk of the infection getting worse if you don't seek treatment on time.

[ethereumhunter]

I do feel like there is another reason for you guys to be vaccinated! You can actually experience normal casinos like before pandemic if you do wear the mask and follow the protocols.

Even if you are not going to casinos you be should be vaccinated in the first place, and even if you are fully vaccinated, you should be aware that the virus has mutated and you can infect your loved ones who are still not vaccinated until all your families are fully vaccinated you should still follow the protocol follow the health experts not what casinos operators are saying.

Yes, indeed. It is better to follow what the government suggest to us because by vaccinated, we can get more protection from the virus that has already mutated. If the virus mutated again, the pharmaceutical will give a new type of vaccine that will be stronger than the previous vaccine because they already have the basic formula. They can modify it to find the antivirus. Wearing a mask is a must in this situation, whether we want it or not because that can help us get the spreading of the virus out there.

[KTChampions]

What can you say about those who have had mild or even asymptomatic covid? How did this happen? I think it's due to natural immunity. As you know, most of the victims had a weakened immune system due to various chronic diseases. Therefore, relying on natural immunity if you are generally healthy is quite reasonable.

The mild and asymptomatic cases are rare now. Most of the new infections result from the mutant strain, and in almost all the cases the patients need hospitalization. Here in India, the death rate from Delta variant was calculated at 7% in one of the cities (and that too may be an undercount). For the original strain, the death rate was less than 1%. And the vast majority of those who died from Delta were those aged less than 45 years. It may still be possible for healthy young adults to rely on natural immunity. But there is a big risk of the infection getting worse if you don't seek treatment on time.

I have great doubts about such data - these statistics are as manipulative as possible, and depending on your goals, you can show completely different mortality rates of the virus. If I'm not mistaken in the first wave of the pandemic, Italy and Germany had a difference in mortality more than 10 times and this was due to the fact that in Italy if someone died of diabetes, but at the same time was infected, his death was recorded as death from coronavirus. In Germany, the coronavirus was indicated as a concomitant disease and diabetes was indicated as the cause of death.
Therefore, I do not think that, given the manipulativeness, we can trust this data. We must wait for more global ones that are difficult to fake - for example, excess mortality.

[peter0425]

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Many people are already so used to wearing masks that even when the pandemic is over and all restrictions are lifted they will still wear a mask before going out. If someone had told me 10 years ago that we would all wear masks and keep a social distance I would have called him crazy.

Actually now we learn the importance of wearing mask and not only for keeping safe from Covid Virus infection but also for cleaner air we breath .

meaning that wearing mask will indeed people keep doing even this pandemic ends .

so Vegas maybe just letting those Addicted gamblers be in favor and not the totality of the system .

[TopTort777]

Actually now we learn the importance of wearing mask and not only for keeping safe from Covid Virus infection but also for cleaner air we breath .

However, most of people wear cheap masks, that only protect from a direct contact of bacteria and human breathing pipes. Plus it is not recommended to wear mask for more than few hours; they should be changed regularly. And what people do? Put on a cheap mask and wear it for weeks.

You say that through mask people breath with a cleaner air? How can that be possible? Such masks should have built in charcoal air filter and be bulky. Put on a mask, come near smoky cars pipe and try to breath. Will you get a cleaner air?

[stadus]

Actually now we learn the importance of wearing mask and not only for keeping safe from Covid Virus infection but also for cleaner air we breath .

However, most of people wear cheap masks, that only protect from a direct contact of bacteria and human breathing pipes. Plus it is not recommended to wear mask for more than few hours; they should be changed regularly. And what people do? Put on a cheap mask and wear it for weeks.

You say that through mask people breath with a cleaner air? How can that be possible? Such masks should have built in charcoal air filter and be bulky. Put on a mask, come near smoky cars pipe and try to breath. Will you get a cleaner air?

It's a problem if we don't know how to use the mask properly, it should be a disposable mask, once you are done using it, you threw it. The reason why they are cheap is that it's disposable, but I can understand how people are struggling financially due to pandemic, but in big countries like the US, sure they will not do that, they are well educated and they understand the risk of reusing a disposable mask.

In the end, we still have to get vaccinated as that is our best protection against the virus.

[Silberman]

There are also concerns that current vaccines are less able to protect against the variant, although the latest PHE figures suggest two doses of either vaccine are still highly effective against hospitalization: 96% for Pfizer/BioNTech and 92% for Oxford/AstraZeneca.

In simple words: if vaccinated, even if you catch Delta, the chances of ending up in the hospital are extremely low.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care though. As I said in my earlier post: I don't think going to public places, including casinos, is a good idea these days, even if you are fully vaccinated. But, imo, we should avoid unnecessary panic by all means.

This is good news, the whole selling point of getting vaccinated is not that we are not going to get the virus, that will happen to everyone eventually, but the fact the vaccine helps you to fight the virus and reduces the intensity of the symptoms and helps us to avoid getting hospitalized, however if this continues and poor countries are unable to get the vaccine how long it will take until a new strain appears that is immune to the vaccine and it is even more aggressive?

This is something we can't know for sure about, and that's why people running public places, including the casinos in Vegas, should be very cautious these days. It's better to stay closed for some time more, and thus lose money, than be earning money and contributing in the spread of the infection at the same time.

But we should always remember that in a greater degree it all depends on us, regular people, than on public places owners. We can simply not be going there regardless of whether it's allowed or not.

That would be the best case scenario but it is doubtful it is going to happen, after all businesses are desperate to open again and they also want their clients to feel at ease which is why Las Vegas casinos are allowing people to not make use of masks anymore on their establishments as long as they have been vaccinated, I hope the worst case scenario of a new strain resistant to the virus does not happen because if it does then it is likely that we will go back to the lockdown phase and I think everyone is tired of it.

[sana54210]

Actually now we learn the importance of wearing mask and not only for keeping safe from Covid Virus infection but also for cleaner air we breath .

However, most of people wear cheap masks, that only protect from a direct contact of bacteria and human breathing pipes. Plus it is not recommended to wear mask for more than few hours; they should be changed regularly. And what people do? Put on a cheap mask and wear it for weeks.

You say that through mask people breath with a cleaner air? How can that be possible? Such masks should have built in charcoal air filter and be bulky. Put on a mask, come near smoky cars pipe and try to breath. Will you get a cleaner air?

Where are you getting this "it is not recommended to wear masks for more than few hours" thing. And if people are wearing cheap masks then maybe we should make the mask mandate even harsher and only applied to certain type of masks instead of removing the masks completely? Doesn't that make more sense, I mean you are saying that with mask mandate people are wearing cheap masks that doesn't help stop the spread, so the logical answer to that should not be removing the masks completely which makes zero sense because it still spreads the virus, it should be to have specific design of mask that does stop it completely if you ask me.

Plus, the doctors that help the corona virus ridden people are wearing masks for most of the day, they literally have their faces filled with mask shaped traces for wearing for long hours, but at least they are protecting themselves. There is ZERO arguments against mask that help stop the virus, ZERO.

[tabas]

meaning that wearing mask will indeed people keep doing even this pandemic ends .

Usage of mask will continue and there will be more sales to it and that's why it's a good business. 

so Vegas maybe just letting those Addicted gamblers be in favor and not the totality of the system .

They are the main factor of their business so they're giving the favor and most people from there don't really want to wear mask.

[TopTort777]

Actually now we learn the importance of wearing mask and not only for keeping safe from Covid Virus infection but also for cleaner air we breath .

However, most of people wear cheap masks, that only protect from a direct contact of bacteria and human breathing pipes. Plus it is not recommended to wear mask for more than few hours; they should be changed regularly. And what people do? Put on a cheap mask and wear it for weeks.

You say that through mask people breath with a cleaner air? How can that be possible? Such masks should have built in charcoal air filter and be bulky. Put on a mask, come near smoky cars pipe and try to breath. Will you get a cleaner air?

Where are you getting this "it is not recommended to wear masks for more than few hours" thing.

Do you think opposite and think that it is good to wear this for more than a day? Will you wear it for a whole day? It can be worn for a whole day, but you should not take it off. But how most people do - put on mask, touch things around, put off mask and put it in the pocket with bacterial hands, then put it on again, then put off and etc. By the end of the day there will be a whole periodic table on the mask

I did not say "it is not recommended to wear masks for more than few hours" only. Re-read my post. I have said that it is not recommended to wear one and the same mask for hours. It should be changed regularly. You have mentioned doctors - ok. They don't use same gloves for whole day, they change it with every patient. Same is with the mask, they must be changed regularly.

P.S. Why do you even quote me? Look a the guy I've quoted. He said that wearing masks creates clean air. This is more illogical. Or you agree that if everybody puts on the masks, we will make environmental more clear? Maybe we should put on huge masks on factory pipes then?

[Betwrong]

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This is something we can't know for sure about, and that's why people running public places, including the casinos in Vegas, should be very cautious these days. It's better to stay closed for some time more, and thus lose money, than be earning money and contributing in the spread of the infection at the same time.

But we should always remember that in a greater degree it all depends on us, regular people, than on public places owners. We can simply not be going there regardless of whether it's allowed or not.

That would be the best case scenario but it is doubtful it is going to happen, after all businesses are desperate to open again and they also want their clients to feel at ease which is why Las Vegas casinos are allowing people to not make use of masks anymore on their establishments as long as they have been vaccinated, I hope the worst case scenario of a new strain resistant to the virus does not happen because if it does then it is likely that we will go back to the lockdown phase and I think everyone is tired of it.

I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

[Silberman]

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This is something we can't know for sure about, and that's why people running public places, including the casinos in Vegas, should be very cautious these days. It's better to stay closed for some time more, and thus lose money, than be earning money and contributing in the spread of the infection at the same time.

But we should always remember that in a greater degree it all depends on us, regular people, than on public places owners. We can simply not be going there regardless of whether it's allowed or not.

That would be the best case scenario but it is doubtful it is going to happen, after all businesses are desperate to open again and they also want their clients to feel at ease which is why Las Vegas casinos are allowing people to not make use of masks anymore on their establishments as long as they have been vaccinated, I hope the worst case scenario of a new strain resistant to the virus does not happen because if it does then it is likely that we will go back to the lockdown phase and I think everyone is tired of it.

I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

That is one way to see it, it seems I am looking at the glass as half empty while you are looking at it as half full, this could be a measure that could make people to get vaccinated in order to go back to their previous lives, but the issue is that many of those that are not vaccinated also want to go back to that but they will still refuse to take the vaccine so they will either lie about it or maybe even use forgery to create fake documents to make it seem as if they have been vaccinated, something that will be detrimental to the efforts we are all making to reach heard immunity.

[Fatunad]

That is one way to see it, it seems I am looking at the glass as half empty while you are looking at it as half full, this could be a measure that could make people to get vaccinated in order to go back to their previous lives, but the issue is that many of those that are not vaccinated also want to go back to that but they will still refuse to take the vaccine so they will either lie about it or maybe even use forgery to create fake documents to make it seem as if they have been vaccinated, something that will be detrimental to the efforts we are all making to reach heard immunity.

I think that being fully vaccinated is not a ground to be allowed to not wear mask anymore, to ease up on protocols. A person is not guaranteed to be fully protected from being infected of Covid virus even if fully vaccinated. In my opinion, casinos and people themselves must abide to any possible layer of protection that there is to really protect not just oneself but also people around us.

It should be but it seems they are trying out on the efficacy of the said vaccine and believing and trusting up that much on where they do end up with that idea on not wearing any protection.
I cant just really be that too careless on doing that since vaccine doesnt give out 100% safety for you on not to get infected and to think that there are other variant of the virus
which it would be still counting as a risk and i cant just afford to be that confident on not wearing any protection.If others are way too trusting on said vaccines
then its their choice but they shouldnt regret if they got still infected later on.

[jaberwock]

I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

Do we really know why they are declining to get vaccinated? I mean all the people I have seen that decline it so far are saying they do it because they are not sure about the long term impacts of the vaccination if they get it, however that doesn't make sense, to not get a vaccination for health reason? Really? I mean even though we really do not know 5-10 years down the road what this vaccination may do, it is obvious that it is not really that different from a flu shot, which people get a lot easier without a problem, it is just a harsher version of that same thing, and flu shot has nothing wrong in the long term impact to body neither.

However even if that is the case, what would you rather have? A deadly virus today or a potential of illness in 10 years? I rather get the shot and literally have cancer in 10 years compared to dying today from this virus. I just don't get why people do not get vaccination when the other side is so horrible while getting vaccinated is so much better.

[DU18]

That is one way to see it, it seems I am looking at the glass as half empty while you are looking at it as half full, this could be a measure that could make people to get vaccinated in order to go back to their previous lives, but the issue is that many of those that are not vaccinated also want to go back to that but they will still refuse to take the vaccine so they will either lie about it or maybe even use forgery to create fake documents to make it seem as if they have been vaccinated, something that will be detrimental to the efforts we are all making to reach heard immunity.

I think that being fully vaccinated is not a ground to be allowed to not wear mask anymore, to ease up on protocols. A person is not guaranteed to be fully protected from being infected of Covid virus even if fully vaccinated. In my opinion, casinos and people themselves must abide to any possible layer of protection that there is to really protect not just oneself but also people around us.

avoiding being exposed to the virus is better than we have to treat if infected, in my country they even seem to feel more afraid of being vaccinated than getting infected with the corona virus , and I don't know the reason why, many countries now require their citizens to vaccinate by adding punishment for residents who refuse the vaccination, in my personal opinion, by vaccinating us it does not mean that we will avoid the virus, so it is better to continue to apply the health protocols even though we have been injected with vaccinations to maintain our health.

[blockman]

I think that being fully vaccinated is not a ground to be allowed to not wear mask anymore, to ease up on protocols. A person is not guaranteed to be fully protected from being infected of Covid virus even if fully vaccinated. In my opinion, casinos and people themselves must abide to any possible layer of protection that there is to really protect not just oneself but also people around us.

It's just a privilege for those fully vaccinated that they are allowed not to wear masks but if they still think that they have to wear them for their own added protection then they should wear them at all times. Someone might think that he's not fully protected through vaccine but it has a high efficacy that's why being vaccinated with a complete dose increases your immunity to the virus. And if a casino considers fully vaccinated people to be well protected and lessen the possibility of being infected and becoming the carrier, it's their rules inside their premises and for those vaccinated folks entering the premises, they're privileged.

[toast]

avoiding being exposed to the virus is better than we have to treat if infected, in my country they even seem to feel more afraid of being vaccinated than getting infected with the corona virus , and I don't know the reason why, many countries now require their citizens to vaccinate by adding punishment for residents who refuse the vaccination, in my personal opinion, by vaccinating us it does not mean that we will avoid the virus, so it is better to continue to apply the health protocols even though we have been injected with vaccinations to maintain our health.

I could relate when you say that more people are afraid of being vaccinated than being infected with the virus. In my country, this has also been evident since there are a lot of issues going around with the credibility of the vaccines being distributed among the citizens in the nation. Although many people are also starting to realize its essentiality to be vaccinated during these times. And abiding to safety protocols are still advocated even with fully vaccinated people and communities.

It's just a privilege for those fully vaccinated that they are allowed not to wear masks but if they still think that they have to wear them for their own added protection then they should wear them at all times. Someone might think that he's not fully protected through vaccine but it has a high efficacy that's why being vaccinated with a complete dose increases your immunity to the virus. And if a casino considers fully vaccinated people to be well protected and lessen the possibility of being infected and becoming the carrier, it's their rules inside their premises and for those vaccinated folks entering the premises, they're privileged.

I guess I missed on focusing that this concept is of the privileges of fully vaccinated customers. Although we cannot ignore the fact that even people who are vaccinated are still subject and susceptible to be infected with the virus but with lesser complicated symptoms. I just hope that when an outbreak occurs inside a casino, the management will take full responsibility of it.

[Sithara007]

I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

I don't think that the anti-vaxxers will suddenly rush to take vaccines, if the casinos announce that they don't need to wear the masks. Many of them are refusing to take vaccines for ideological reasons and the measures from casinos may not be enough to convince these people to get vaccinated. One the other hand, IMO, measures such as the "vax a million" lottery recently announced by the state of Ohio will be having more of an impact (there was an uptick in vaccination rates in Ohio, after the governor announced about the lottery).

[rodskee]

I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

I don't think that the anti-vaxxers will suddenly rush to take vaccines, if the casinos announce that they don't need to wear the masks. Many of them are refusing to take vaccines for ideological reasons and the measures from casinos may not be enough to convince these people to get vaccinated. One the other hand, IMO, measures such as the "vax a million" lottery recently announced by the state of Ohio will be having more of an impact (there was an uptick in vaccination rates in Ohio, after the governor announced about the lottery).

There is also a certain country that follows this Ohio States Lottery strategy to lure people to get vaccinated But the respond is not that high because How can you expect people to just go vaccinated when the opportunity to win is one in a million ? they should create more chances of winnings so people might take the chance and the opportunity .
I myself won't just walk into the vaccination building when i am in doubt about my health .

[Chato1977]

If that person cares about his health, he will still wear a mask and face shield outdoor and it is not about how they should debate about which opinion is right.

Your health is safe once you already take the vaccine, it's about the risk to the people surrounding you that have not taken their vaccine yet, and that is very irresponsible if we are not wearing a mask or people will go in public places without a vaccine. However, since America is a leading country, I'm sure soon everyone will get their vaccine and they are free to roam anywhere without a mask or face shield.

I heard that people already vaccinated can have the virus inside their body, but getting infected will reduce than people who are not vaccinated.

yeah the effect of virus in them will be lot lower than those who has not vaccinated meaning the risk of dying is just a 1-5% than those who has none vaccine .

We do not want to risk people around us, especially our family, because they are important to us.
I heard from the news that people who already get vaccinated in the USA increase to 40%, and it will reach 70% before July 14th.
That will good for them. At least, with the vaccinated, they can get protection from the virus.

It is not about how many people got vaccinated in their country but how can this be transmitted inside their family and how can risk their love one died or even people just around them.