Bitcoin Mining Council

[worle1bm]

Leading North American mining companies (such as ArgoBlockchain, Galaxy Digital, HiveBlockchain etc..) will form a ^{Bitcoin Mining Council} , the aim being to reduce the industry's greenhouse gas emissions. Such  initiative  was  announced after their weekend meeting with Elon Musk.

Should  this Council be considered as  Musk's attempt to rehabilitate himself  in the eyes of the community or he really wants to help?

He is not an environmentalist or social worker but a businessman whose motive is to earn profits by any means.His latest two tweets show that he is in support of renewable Bitcoin mining and choose crypto over fiat in order to show his fake support to the market.He intiated million dollar project for best carbon technology and in the same way he should be contributing towards mining research process to bitcoin miners also.What is the fun of appreciation if you have not done any contribution and still wants to credit yourself.He must check how much Electricity Tesla plants are using and how materials required for electric battery are extracted from the ground first and then play blame game on Bitcoin.

[Silberman]

Well, don't be wrong with me, reduce the industry's greenhouse gas emissions is always a good idea, but (for me at least) this is just a Elon Musk movement trying to do things to "fatten up his wallet" even more than it is. .. greedy as hell, rich people should care more about other things and dont wasted his time on tweets and stupids things like that, if they do it is because they are trying to do other things ...

It is as simple as that, Elon is just trying to earn even more money, give the impression that he cares about the environment and somehow try to begin to repair the image that he has destroyed by his own hand with the most recent developments, while it is fine that the miners are trying to reduce their emissions and to reduce their energy consumption that comes from fossil fuels at the end of the day it is not going to make such a difference because the energy consumption of bitcoin miners is being exaggerated by the media.

[Welsh]

You can't. Majority of the miners are not included in the set of miners that were supposedly included. Miners will use renewable energy if it makes sense; namely lower costs or being located in a suitable geographical location. Having less than 20% of the miners openly state that they're only using renewable energy is hardly helping, media will still perceive it as a frivolous use of electricity that could otherwise be used for other more productive purposes.

As with Elon, its not about a matter of fact. Elon knows this, it was likely pressure from his shareholders that forced the Tesla announcement of dropping BTC purchases. Elon I believe has been on record stating he believes Bitcoin incentivizes green energy, although don't quote me on that.

The thing is, we don't need to prove that all miners are on green energy. We just need to show that there's a concentrated effort for them to mitigate. We might know that lower the costs, the more profit margin for the miners, so of course they aren't going to use fossil fuels for no reason, but we aren't the people that need convincing. Its the general public, and if we can refute their claims, via providing a small percentage of miners, that have openly declared what they use as evidence to back it up, I believe that will only be beneficial.

The Tesla movement was clearly a PR move, rather than Elon suddenly developing a conscious, and changing his mind with Bitcoin. I also believe he's been talking a lot about Dogecoin...so there's that too. 

[ranochigo]

As with Elon, its not about a matter of fact. Elon knows this, it was likely pressure from his shareholders that forced the Tesla announcement of dropping BTC purchases. Elon I believe has been on record stating he believes Bitcoin incentivizes green energy, although don't quote me on that.

The Tesla movement was clearly a PR move, rather than Elon suddenly developing a conscious, and changing his mind with Bitcoin. I also believe he's been talking a lot about Dogecoin...so there's that too. 

Perhaps. Don't forget he has done a few dubious things to his own company and told everyone he thought Tesla was overpriced.

The thing is, we don't need to prove that all miners are on green energy. We just need to show that there's a concentrated effort for them to mitigate. We might know that lower the costs, the more profit margin for the miners, so of course they aren't going to use fossil fuels for no reason, but we aren't the people that need convincing. Its the general public, and if we can refute their claims, via providing a small percentage of miners, that have openly declared what they use as evidence to back it up, I believe that will only be beneficial.

I doubt miners actually care about using renewable or sustainable energy at all. Economics of mining makes it such that miners will always choose the cheapest energy source there is. Miners don't have to care about using it either, it doesn't influence the price. They're doing this to appease Elon and to hopefully pump the price up further. There isn't any conscious effort for miners to mitigate, or at least the majority of it, instead it'll be more accurate to say that they're always mitigating to a cheaper energy source. Trying to greenwash people by telling them that a few companies are environmentally conscious wouldn't actually do enough but we'll see the results regardless.

Nothing will ever solve the problem with ewaste anyways, there is no going about that. Electrical usage is hardly a significant issue in Bitcoin.

[TangentC]

Leading North American mining companies (such as ArgoBlockchain, Galaxy Digital, HiveBlockchain etc..) will form a ^{Bitcoin Mining Council} , the aim being to reduce the industry's greenhouse gas emissions. Such  initiative  was  announced after their weekend meeting with Elon Musk.

Should  this Council be considered as  Musk's attempt to rehabilitate himself  in the eyes of the community or he really wants to help?

I think bitcoiners just need to resign theirselves to the fact as being a modern day edison,
that Elon is going to have a big say in technical matters.  

Look at these forums alone, every-time he says anything , Bitcoiners absolutely lose their minds with topic after topic about the guy.

[verita1]

Always expect a meeting like this to take place. Why? There is a lot of interest in large investors in Bitcoin and if we want to move to the next level they must study how Bitcoin miners can reduce electricity consumption. It has not yet been shown how they are going to do it because obviously they need an exhaustive study to meet the objectives that are of interest to all in which bitcoin shows that it is reducing the environmental impact.

In relation to Elon Musk, he leads the Tesla brand that is an environmentally friendly vehicle, as an influencer in cryptocurrencies he needs to show that he supports the best initiative that has been made with Bitcoin. I think that if the plan devised at this meeting is accomplished, we will all benefit. It is worth noting that Michael Saylor also participated in this meeting without a doubt that he is a great strategist and ally that has bitcoin.

[harapan]

Leading North American mining companies (such as ArgoBlockchain, Galaxy Digital, HiveBlockchain etc..) will form a ^{Bitcoin Mining Council} , the aim being to reduce the industry's greenhouse gas emissions. Such  initiative  was  announced after their weekend meeting with Elon Musk.

Should  this Council be considered as  Musk's attempt to rehabilitate himself  in the eyes of the community or he really wants to help?

Everyone should know elon musk by now. He says one thing today and another thing at a later time. He just went ahead to get that  mining council created as a last bid to get back to the heart of the community. After bashing bitcoin due to the energy consumption which wasn't entire true by the way, supporting the council is a bid to redeem himself. I hope he doesn't go back and forth by doing something in the near future that would get him in the bad side of the community.

[clippers]

In the final analysis, Elon Musk is just a businessman, and it looks more like a means of propaganda without spending than believing that he wants to solve the Bitcoin problem. There is almost no cost to send a tweet, but it can cause the price of bitcoin to rise. Maybe we can see that the amount of bitcoin held by Tesla has not changed much in the next financial statement of Tesla. But these bitcoins are not necessarily those bought by Tesla before. In fact, I think Tesla sold some of the bitcoins when it reached 60,000, and then bought it back at 30,000 US dollars, and the cost of all this was just a few tweets. I now doubt very much whether Musk understands decentralization. I hope he will not be like some stupid Chinese investors, who even know who Satoshi Nakamoto is.

[samsul1234]

Leading North American mining companies (such as ArgoBlockchain, Galaxy Digital, HiveBlockchain etc..) will form a ^{Bitcoin Mining Council} , the aim being to reduce the industry's greenhouse gas emissions. Such  initiative  was  announced after their weekend meeting with Elon Musk.

Should  this Council be considered as  Musk's attempt to rehabilitate himself  in the eyes of the community or he really wants to help?

hello sir, yeah what are you saying, I think this Musk is taking advantage of his own by paying a small amount for personal needs and for his own project, it won't really help, and if that happens it should put a little bit of effort into improving bitcoin exchanges -his. , or the little thing he could pay for electricity from the largest mining company in the United States

[Darker45]

There's nothing wrong with this initiative. It's worth applauding, on the contrary. The future generations deserve a cleaner world. We owe it to them.

However, I hope this does not spark another basis for discrimination. I hope this won't give rise to another clean:dirty Bitcoin dichotomy. A Bitcoin mined using coal-generated energy is the same Bitcoin mined using solar power.

I guess the criticisms directed to this council are basically triggered by the fact that the infamous Elon is part of it.

[Saltius]

Just another Bitcoin Foundation.

[Heisenberg_Hunter]

I also believe he's been talking a lot about Dogecoin...so there's that too. 

It's quite certain to believe that after reading through his series of tweets about the currency, Elon doesn't really know much about how bitcoin works on a highly technical scale . Well, he should be knowing the basics of the workings but wouldn't have had a hand on the decentralization subject which is governed by PoW mining.

Either this tweet could have been a way to improve the overall sarcasm but if he had posted this seriously, he is pretty much of an idiot trying to play with the emotions of noob investors.


In today's bitcoin world, we are dominated by more noob votes than veteran votes and hence the Mining Council will be well received as the general public (new to bitcoin) always tend to believe bitcoin is being governed by a central entity as how these so called altcoin foundations do! But to the contrary, such a foundation kind of set-up was always received negatively by bitcoiners right since the early days and I hope this should continue being so. I believe bitcoin is the only cryptocurrency which is still highly decentralized and not being governed by any non-profit organizations.

Well, we need to always remember what a powerful bitcoiner like Gavin did in the past. He started the Bitcoin Foundation and tried to control each and every aspect of the network which was highly frowned upon later :

• Interact with the legal system, where a centralized entity is needed: for example, to hold the Bitcoin trademark, own/control the bitcoin.org domain name, etc.
  
• Act as a central library for accurate information about Bitcoin, so journalists and policymakers have an 'official' place to learn about Bitcoin.
  
• Collect donations to fund infrastructure necessary for Bitcoin's growth (organize regular developers' conferences or get-togethers maybe? pay for development of cross-implementation testing tools? pay core developers' salaries? create a certification/testing program for Bitcoin implementations? create a central clearinghouse for information about legal issues surrounding Bitcoin across the world?)
  

The whole idea of Mining Council (the new reformed Bitcoin Foundation) from a true bitcoiner's point of view is bullshit and should end miserably. People like Saylor/Elon is trying to control the "Internet of Money" and act like Gavin but we believe this will end as long as the power of the suites(corporates) doesn't outweigh the bitcoiners!

[davis196]

Leading North American mining companies (such as ArgoBlockchain, Galaxy Digital, HiveBlockchain etc..) will form a ^{Bitcoin Mining Council} , the aim being to reduce the industry's greenhouse gas emissions. Such  initiative  was  announced after their weekend meeting with Elon Musk.

Should  this Council be considered as  Musk's attempt to rehabilitate himself  in the eyes of the community or he really wants to help?

Nah,Elon Musk doesn't care about the crypto community.
I guess that the US crypto miners will try to bring him back in the crypto community with this attempt.
A "mining council" cannot solve the problem of crypto mining using more "green energy".Solar and wind power can only make crypto mining less profitable,unless the miners are mining some shitcoins,that are really cheap and easy to be mined.
Creating a mining council sounds like more centralization to me.Maybe they will turn into some sort of mining cartel.I want crypto miners to compete with each other,instead of uniting in one team.

[bbc.reporter]

or he really wants to help?

Unless he offers some grants, zero-interest loans or such, I find it a cheap PR and not much else.
Or... it has just occurred to me... he may try to sell "clean" electricity to the miners or some batteries his company produces, i.e. he just does marketing for his own products.

Agreed, this appears to only be a type of virtue signalling. The meeting also represented a very small amount of the hashrate. They cannot do anything without broader consensus.

After showing capability that Elon can rugpull bitcoin, I predict he will do another social media attack on miners who are not using green sources of electricity. This risks the fungibility of those coins from dirty energy miners.

[michellee]

or he really wants to help?

Unless he offers some grants, zero-interest loans or such, I find it a cheap PR and not much else.
Or... it has just occurred to me... he may try to sell "clean" electricity to the miners or some batteries his company produces, i.e. he just does marketing for his own products.

Agreed, this appears to only be a type of virtue signalling. The meeting also represented a very small amount of the hashrate. They cannot do anything without broader consensus.

After showing capability that Elon can rugpull bitcoin, I predict he will do another social media attack on miners who are not using green sources of electricity. This risks the fungibility of those coins from dirty energy miners.

He can easily do that if we see what behind him. If Elon offers to sell "clean" electricity to the miners at a cheap price, that can only happen in a big country while in the other country, they will still be the same sources. But suppose the miners realize about the electricity and want to have clean electricity. In that case, they will try to change to renewable sources to force the fee of the electricity itself. That can give them more profit to mining bitcoin. But unfortunately, not all miners have the big funds to replace their electricity sources.