Official FutureBit Apollo II/BTC Software/Image and Support thread

[AnkleBiter]

How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

[philipma1957]

How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

that is not exactly true.

depends on what type of lottery.

besides.

if you simply set it and forget it for a while it will add up over time.

this is all about mine and hodl

my plan is to mine and hodl a coin for a year. while it does its thing as a full node.

[dwood443]

How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

that is not exactly true.

depends on what type of lottery.

besides.

if you simply set it and forget it for a while it will add up over time.

this is all about mine and hodl

my plan is to mine and hodl a coin for a year. while it does its thing as a full node.

If you don't mind me asking, what pool would you mine against when you set it and forget it?

[philipma1957]

How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

that is not exactly true.

depends on what type of lottery.

besides.

if you simply set it and forget it for a while it will add up over time.

this is all about mine and hodl

my plan is to mine and hodl a coin for a year. while it does its thing as a full node.

If you don't mind me asking, what pool would you mine against when you set it and forget it?

viabtc .com and set the payout at 0.01 btc which right now is about 350 usd

it will take close to 22 months to get there.

and if btc spikes crazy high in 3 or 4 months just change the payout to 0.001 btc

[zsmith]

If you don't mind me asking, what pool would you mine against when you set it and forget it?

Few pools are going to give you a payout at this hashrate.  However, as suggested in the OP, on slushpool you can set it as low as 0.001 BTC for a payout which should only take a couple of months.  I'm solo mining on ckpool until they get the on device solo mining working.  You could also mine sha256 altcoins on zergpool and autoexchange into BTC and the payout is only .002 BTC.  I'm not Phil but I tested all three pools mentioned here with my Apollo.

[philipma1957]

If you don't mind me asking, what pool would you mine against when you set it and forget it?

Few pools are going to give you a payout at this hashrate.  However, as suggested in the OP, on slushpool you can set it as low as 0.001 BTC for a payout which should only take a couple of months.  I'm solo mining on ckpool until they get the on device solo mining working.  You could also mine sha256 altcoins on zergpool and autoexchange into BTC and the payout is only .002 BTC.  I'm not Phil but I tested all three pools mentioned here with my Apollo.

I no longer talk about alt coins much in this section.

But you can mine them on viabtc.com

The idea of using viabtc.com to mine and hold btc is a sound plan.

viabtc allows for the following btc payouts.

1.0btc would be 34,000 plus and will take forever to reach 1 btc
0.1btc 3400 and will take over 20 years to reach .1btc
0.01btc 340+ and will take around 2 years to reach 0.01 btc
0.001btc 34+ and will take about 2-3 months to reach


these are great for mine and hodl 2 year horizon

better if you are a freshman in college mine and hodl until you graduate.

[zsmith]

I no longer talk about alt coins much in this section.

...

0.001btc 34+ and will take about 2-3 months to reach

I didn't realize via did a .001 payout because I never used it, I was just going off the .01 mentioned, but after all looks like there are at least two options at this rate.  I agree about the alts, it was just side note.  I'm still on team ckpool.

[AnkleBiter]

How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

that is not exactly true.

depends on what type of lottery.

besides.

if you simply set it and forget it for a while it will add up over time.

this is all about mine and hodl

my plan is to mine and hodl a coin for a year. while it does its thing as a full node.

My response was whether to set it to solo mine, not pool mine.  I have my 4 units setup on ViaBTC at the moment churning away. 

[jstefanop]

How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

Not true.

If your mining at 3TH/s (turbo mode) you have ~ a 1/340,000 daily odds of hitting a BTC block.

Way better odds than the lottery, but of course the cash prize is "only" 200 grand 

Will be adding a direct solo mine option to your node in the coming months.

[dwood443]

viabtc .com and set the payout at 0.01 btc which right now is about 350 usd

it will take close to 22 months to get there.

and if btc spikes crazy high in 3 or 4 months just change the payout to 0.001 btc
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Thanks. I bought two full packages. I will set one to the pool you recommended and one to solo ck pool. I have 4 other futurebit LTC miners and so far are mining away with no issues at the kid and grandkids homes. They learning too :-)

[AnkleBiter]

How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

Not true.

If your mining at 3TH/s (turbo mode) you have ~ a 1/340,000 daily odds of hitting a BTC block.

Way better odds than the lottery, but of course the cash prize is "only" 200 grand 

Will be adding a direct solo mine option to your node in the coming months.

Any possibility of being able to add different pools for different hashboards if one has multiple standard units?  I have 1 full package and 3 standard units, so 4 hashboards are all on one pool.  Would be a cool option if I could direct 1 to a different pool/coin and the others to another. 

[jstefanop]

How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

Not true.

If your mining at 3TH/s (turbo mode) you have ~ a 1/340,000 daily odds of hitting a BTC block.

Way better odds than the lottery, but of course the cash prize is "only" 200 grand  

Will be adding a direct solo mine option to your node in the coming months.

Any possibility of being able to add different pools for different hashboards if one has multiple standard units?  I have 1 full package and 3 standard units, so 4 hashboards are all on one pool.  Would be a cool option if I could direct 1 to a different pool/coin and the others to another.  

Not currently, wanted to keep things as simple as possible since a large portion of our customers are first time miners.

If you want to do this in the meantime, you can start up the hashboard manually. Its a little involved but here are the steps:
-Disconnect the usb cable of the hashboard you want to point to a different pool.  
-Start the miner in the dashboard so UI configured pool and connected hashboards start mining to that pool
-Connect the hashboard you want to mine to a different pool
-Open up a terminal and figure out the serial port by typing "ls /dev/ACM*" ....the hashboard you just connected will be the highest number
-Go to the directory the internal apollo-miner is installed at "cd /opt/apolloui/backend/apollo-miner"
-Startup that hashboard manually with the serial port you found above and its own pool using instructions found here:   https://github.com/jstefanop/Apollo-Miner-Binaries/blob/main/linux-aarch64/start_apollo.sh

(ie ./apollo-miner -host us-east.stratum.slushpool.com -port 3333 -user jstefanop.x -pswd x -comport /dev/ttyACM0 -brd_ocp 48  -osc 30 -ao_mode 1)

If you do it this way the hashboard should also be added to the UI stats and you should be able to see it there (fyi i havent tested this so could break the UI if its using a different pool).

We left the system open so you power users can poke around and configure it to your hearts desire...you can also do the above by editing the start script in the miner folder and you can do lots of stuff this way like per board power settings, per board pools, etc etc (all the start script does now is find all the /dev/ACM serials connected and loops through all of them and starts a miner instance for each board using settings from UI....you can just explicitly point to each serial and put your own settings for each board if you want).

                                                                  

[savage_xxin]

Any chance we'll get https for remote sessions in the future?

[devincrypt]

Haven't recieved by batch one order yet (1 full, 2 standards) but would like to know in advance

1: Can the full node be disabled (HOW?) at the start (as it's being downloaded) without screwing up the SSD and/or SIM card?

2: If not - can it be disabled after it's downloaded?

I'm planning on doing some other SHA256 mining so I'm assuming that's no problem?

Thanks in advance,

David

[kano]

Source for the UI is up on my github, backend firmware is all proprietary and built from the ground up for these ASICs (ie does not use open source cgminer/bfgminer).

Kudos for that, at least Kano can't argue about that aspect

So have they verified that these things can actually find blocks?

That's the other typical issue with people who hack cgminer or write or plagiarizer one.
They leave it up to the people who pay them to test it, and usually no one ever finds out ... which of course can mean the obvious, it doesn't work.

Since they've supposedly written a new miner (yeah I've checked it is definitely not a straight cgminer code copy), clearly it is up to them to verify this before selling something that effectively doesn't work.

[philipma1957]

Source for the UI is up on my github, backend firmware is all proprietary and built from the ground up for these ASICs (ie does not use open source cgminer/bfgminer).

Kudos for that, at least Kano can't argue about that aspect

So have they verified that these things can actually find blocks?

That's the other typical issue with people who hack cgminer or write or plagiarizer one.
They leave it up to the people who pay them to test it, and usually no one ever finds out ... which of course can mean the obvious, it doesn't work.

Since they've supposedly written a new miner (yeah I've checked it is definitely not a straight cgminer code copy), clearly it is up to them to verify this before selling something that effectively doesn't work.

edit 1:
Well If I point this to a solo btc pool the math says it will take a long time at 2th to hit a block.

This section is for btc not alt sha-256 coins which have lower difficulty.

If it hit a block in BHA it only proves that it can do a difficulty of   13.82gh
if it hit a block in BSV it only proves that it can do a difficulty of  109.70gh
if it hit a block in BCH it only proves that it can do a difficulty of  370.34gh
if it hit a block in BTC Kano's issue is done. as it would be over 21050.00gh or 21.05th

since 1 unit does 2th on eco or 46 cents

and 1,000 units or 2,000th  on eco is 460 usd a day it is very likely we won't see a block ever be hit.

10,000 units or 20,000 on eco is 4600usd a day

a block is about 230,000 usd or roughly 500 days if there are 10000 of these mining at ckpool or kano solopool

frankly this is better suited to be pointed at viabtc with a payout set to 0.01 btc

just mine and hold for a few years.

let someone else try to find a block with it.



edit 2:
As I understand you can't prove it will hit a block of difficulty of 21th until it hits it. Am I correct?

which means 10000 of these could do it in 500 days with normal luck  correct?

feel free to correct my math as I am not very good at it.


edit 3:

I remember diff going past 32gb years ago and some software then failed to be able to hit a block as it shares were capped at 32gb

so I am thinking you do not what share size to be capped anywhere at all or as least many many times higher than 21.05 t

[jstefanop]

Source for the UI is up on my github, backend firmware is all proprietary and built from the ground up for these ASICs (ie does not use open source cgminer/bfgminer).

Kudos for that, at least Kano can't argue about that aspect

So have they verified that these things can actually find blocks?

That's the other typical issue with people who hack cgminer or write or plagiarizer one.
They leave it up to the people who pay them to test it, and usually no one ever finds out ... which of course can mean the obvious, it doesn't work.

Since they've supposedly written a new miner (yeah I've checked it is definitely not a straight cgminer code copy), clearly it is up to them to verify this before selling something that effectively doesn't work.

Ahh thats where phillip's confusing question comes from in the other thread....should have known better. 

So we went from me making shitty vaporware, to me selling pre-orders ill probably never deliver, to now that I have actually delivered working hardware making baseless attacks on the software that make no sense? Whats your agenda here anyway?

From someone who runs a pool its pretty concerning that you dont know how blocks are found. If our software can submit a valid share to a pool, it can also find a valid block and thats all the proof you need. But you already know that or should know that...so once again whats your agenda?

[kano]

...
From someone who runs a pool its pretty concerning that you dont know how blocks are found. If our software can submit a valid share to a pool, it can also find a valid block and thats all the proof you need. But you already know that or should know that...so once again whats your agenda?

Alas this statement is completely false and thus shows that indeed these miners have not been tested to be able to find blocks.
The usual worry about people who don't understand what they are doing and are only looking for profit.
Even phil has made an attempt at understanding the issue in his post above, but alas not quite got it right.

Edit: I wrote the first, original block testing screen notification code in cgminer
I think I might know what I'm talking about ...

[yxt]

If our software can submit a valid share to a pool, it can also find a valid block and thats all the proof you need.

But can is too little here, it has to.
You can ask slush pool and Genesis mining about that stuff

So here my question again:

Why is the backend code not published under an open source license?
I mean its BTC, small nice community project...

Do not trust, verify!

I like the product. Bring mining back to small people, decentralized, quiet etc. Would be happy to support the project and preorder.
But for sure I will not buy a closed source miner, which has never shown that it can find blocks.
Especially not if it is to be used for solomining. (Whether this is right for the target group "are first time miners" is another question.)

I really don't see any understandable reason not to publish the code.

[philipma1957]

Haven't recieved by batch one order yet (1 full, 2 standards) but would like to know in advance

1: Can the full node be disabled (HOW?) at the start (as it's being downloaded) without screwing up the SSD and/or SIM card?

2: If not - can it be disabled after it's downloaded?

I'm planning on doing some other SHA256 mining so I'm assuming that's no problem?

Thanks in advance,

David

it has the option to stop the node anytime you want to .

there is a screen in the gui

it has a dashboard for the node
open the node dashboard
once opened the option to stop it is below the dashboard option on the left.




The best way to mine with this is not solo mining
The best way is to point it to viabtc.com pick a high payout and mine and hold.

Here is why:  you will get some coin this way.  Whether it goes up in price is the bet.

Mining solo with this is not very smart. Here is why. it does 2-3 th

2th is 46 cents a day
3th is 69 cents a day

lets say

set to 3th
day 1             =  $0.69
day 10           =  $6.90
day 100         =  $69.00
day 1000       =  $690.00
day 10000     =  $6900.00  this is 27 years and 4 months I would be 91
day 100000   =  $69000.00 this is 270 years + and is about 1/3 of a block assuming no 1/2ings or difficulty rising.

as I kept the difficulty flat and did not account for the 1/2 ing

so mining solo is pretty much futile

but look at mine and hodl

at day 1000  $690 is pretty much going to happen and a price spike will make your machine a winner.

I did this with the ltc Apollo I hit a solo doge block with 10,000 coins and held it in fact I decided to hodl doge for years and I made more than 50000 cashing my doge out this year

As I said if you understand the law of the USA and not China or Australia proving these can hit blocks has no meaning or application.  "ie innocent until proven guilty"

These have proven to hit shares that pools accept.
So point to viabtc and mine and hodl

and you will bank coin which could go up in value.

Okay here are 2 screen shots at viabtc
The Apollo is pointed to BCH
There was some dust but it is adding coin as I type
I used BCH which is a sha-256 alt since I have miners pointed to the btc pool and did not want to mix
as you can see the miner is mining and adding coins
I will post it again to show the coins grow
this miner will certainly grow your coins if you point to viabtc.com and set a high payout.
I did 0.1 BCH which is around 65 to 66 usd. about 150 days set to eco.