📝[Discussion topic] Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns📝

[pawel7777]

It's good to note that the funds are not escrowed by the manager or third party forum escrow (Or i'm wrong). Although it's claimed that the campaign will run for several months. The thing is with this setup, managers are tend to stop campaigns when the team stop communicating with a week debt for their participants because of the funds are not being held by them (or weekly topup) thus it make them look bad or compensating their participants out of their own pocket. Except if they will stop the campaign in advance if the escrow wallet doesn't have enough balance.
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Yeah, that campaign is not escrowed, so there's always the risk that the client (advertised business) could just stop communicating, not top-up the payment address on time, or just end the campaign way sooner than originally indicated.
The best the manager can do in such a case is just to keep participants properly informed on the situation.
But in an ideal scenario, a manager would hold enough funds in escrow to cover payments for at least 1 payment period and a client would provide funds at the start of each period.

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While i can't see any note/disclaimer on the signature thread regarding this if the manager will compensate if the campaign stopped or not. Participants should be aware of this that they might not received any payments if this happens. Thus, managers should work always to get the funds escrowed for their participants.

That's the part of information a lot of managers seem to be neglecting and are potentially (unnecessarily) exposing themselves to a negative trust rating. After all, they act as a representative of the advertised services, so if something goes wrong, participants could have grounds to demand payments from them, unless that's properly disclosed in campaigns' terms and conditions. All it takes is to put 1 or 2 sentences explaining if they are provided with required funds in advance or at the end of each period, and, if the latter, each person participates at their own risk.

[Solosanz]

There's a new campaign comes up [OPEN] Ladies.de | Top Content from Real German Escorts | Sig Campaign | Sr.+

I never imagine that there would be this kind project want to be promoted in this forum and willing to pay with Bitcoin LOL, this is mind blowing.

I'm not sure how the forum judge NSFW images, probably it's still fine since it just a lady that wear panties? not full naked or have a sex activity.

10. No embedded NSFW images anywhere. NSFW content must be marked accordingly.

[snipie]

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I don't know if my memories recall something similar or confuse it with a project that I saw talk about it here years ago. Not sure, I have some flashback about Bitcointalk, theymos, reddit, nsfw, 2015-2016...then 2020-2021? a banned user presumably a lady that promoted something similar? If someone recall these or could fix it if I am mistaken?
Anyway, since these projects are legal in the country of origin and not against the forums rule, I suppose it will not be a problem, for the moment at least.

[PX-Z]

That's the part of information a lot of managers seem to be neglecting and are potentially (unnecessarily) exposing themselves to a negative trust rating.

It's not only a potential of having negative trusts or -ve reputation but financially concerning to as some managers do compensate their participants from their own pocket.

I'm not sure how the forum judge NSFW images, probably it's still fine since it just a lady that wear panties? not full naked or have a sex activity.

I research about this on the internet, it looks like a woman in bikini as nsfw is subjected and most are opinionated. Some says it depends on what kind of bikini a woman wear like if its too showy. But many says it's only nsfw if its nude, adult content and p*rn. On this campaign i feel like it's okay.

[LTU_btc]

There's a new campaign comes up [OPEN] Ladies.de | Top Content from Real German Escorts | Sig Campaign | Sr.+

I never imagine that there would be this kind project want to be promoted in this forum and willing to pay with Bitcoin LOL, this is mind blowing.

I'm not sure how the forum judge NSFW images, probably it's still fine since it just a lady that wear panties? not full naked or have a sex activity.

10. No embedded NSFW images anywhere. NSFW content must be marked accordingly.

Maybe I'm confusing something, but I think that long time ago we had campaign that promoted some kind of NSFW website. But lazy to make research now and it's possible that I confused something.
Anyway, interesting to see something new on Bitcointalk because recently probably 90% of campaigns were promoting gambling websites. I don't see nothing what can go against Bitcointalk rules here. There is no NSFW content in signature, only link leads to NSFW website. And after all, they're not promoting porn or something what would be illegal.
Though, I think we can have users who would be against to join this campaign because of their views and beliefs, same like we have with gambling campaigns.

[Potato Chips]

I'm not sure how the forum judge NSFW images, probably it's still fine since it just a lady that wear panties? not full naked or have a sex activity.

It should be fine since Theymos gave an OK to bigbitmine's avatar which IMO is more suggestive, see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121

bigbitmine and El Emperador's avatars are fine IMO.

[Solosanz]

It should be fine since Theymos gave an OK to bigbitmine's avatar which IMO is more suggestive, see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358121

bigbitmine and El Emperador's avatars are fine IMO.

I see, even licking boobs is also fine.

[TheUltraElite]

I don't know if my memories recall something similar or confuse it with a project that I saw talk about it here years ago. Not sure, I have some flashback about Bitcointalk, theymos, reddit, nsfw, 2015-2016...then 2020-2021? a banned user presumably a lady that promoted something similar? If someone recall these or could fix it if I am mistaken?
Anyway, since these projects are legal in the country of origin and not against the forums rule, I suppose it will not be a problem, for the moment at least.

The manager aTriz suffered the consequences of some scammer called Alia. aTriz was ruined by that and it destroyed their career, however this signature campaign is not even remotely same as that. He vouched for a gambling script and things went down the rabbit hole after that.

Over here, people who may have beliefs against such services, might not want to join, but again this is a personal choice just like promoting a casino and making money from that or getting trapped in your own beliefs and not being able to make money.

[NotATether]

I see, even licking boobs is also fine.

That's how it's been for at least 10 years.

PS. The NSFW rule only applies to the forum content, not to whatever website is being advertised.

[pawel7777]

Looks like avatar-only campaigns are back on the menu:

We have 10 avatar slots open - $1 per post / Payments for 35 week are on their way. ^{[Exchange rate: 66,350]}

I don't think we've seen them in a long while (or maybe I was just unaware of that).
$1 per post sounds like pretty decent rate, given avatars do not even include clickable links and are more about building brand recognition than generating new sign ups.

[LTU_btc]

Looks like avatar-only campaigns are back on the menu:

We have 10 avatar slots open - $1 per post / Payments for 35 week are on their way. ^{[Exchange rate: 66,350]}

I don't think we've seen them in a long while (or maybe I was just unaware of that).
$1 per post sounds like pretty decent rate, given avatars do not even include clickable links and are more about building brand recognition than generating new sign ups.

Yes, I think it's first avatar campaign for very long time. In my early days here I remember there was more avatar campaigns, but can't say that it was big thing there.
$1 is great deal, probably you can't ask for something better, considering that's just image without clickable link. Not sure how many people will be interested in this offer, considering that most of campaigns already ask to wear their avatar.

[pawel7777]

Yes, I think it's first avatar campaign for very long time. In my early days here I remember there was more avatar campaigns, but can't say that it was big thing there.
$1 is great deal, probably you can't ask for something better, considering that's just image without clickable link. Not sure how many people will be interested in this offer, considering that most of campaigns already ask to wear their avatar.

They already have like three dozen applicants, but I sense a big portion of them just put their names down after seeing the topic updated to [open] and likely not realising it's just an avatar campaign.
But there are always a lot of people who are not enrolled in any campaign and they'd be happy to take whatever there's available at the moment.

[PX-Z]

Yes, I think it's first avatar campaign for very long time. In my early days here I remember there was more avatar campaigns, but can't say that it was big thing there.
$1 is great deal, probably you can't ask for something better, considering that's just image without clickable link.

Way back before, campaigns are mostly for signature campaigns, and avatar campaigns are separate, that's why most participants have different signature and avatar.

Avatar campaigns usually has fixed rate like $15-25 per week, so $1 per post is a huge improvement for payment rate if you can post more than 25. Somewhat after the 2017 bullrun, campaign era changes and from btc fixed per post or per week, becomes dollar rates.

[examplens]

Yes, I think it's first avatar campaign for very long time. In my early days here I remember there was more avatar campaigns, but can't say that it was big thing there.
$1 is great deal, probably you can't ask for something better, considering that's just image without clickable link. Not sure how many people will be interested in this offer, considering that most of campaigns already ask to wear their avatar.

In 2023, when mixer campaigns were at their peak, almost every mixer campaign had additional slots for avatar-only participants.
The campaigns of the manager who opened additional avatar slots are generally not exclusive to the mandatory use of an avatar, so in some cases, it is allowed to use a different avatar in relation to the signature.

[pawel7777]

In 2023, when mixer campaigns were at their peak, almost every mixer campaign had additional slots for avatar-only participants.
The campaigns of the manager who opened additional avatar slots are generally not exclusive to the mandatory use of an avatar, so in some cases, it is allowed to use a different avatar in relation to the signature.

RIP mixers
They will be missed.

I think it's kind of grey area for many campaigns that are not explicitly asking participants to wear avatars, but they provide such so it could be assumed/implied that wearing them is a requirement.
We could potentially end up in a weird situation when people could be advertising two competing businesses simultaneously, in the avatar and signature.

[joker_josue]

We could potentially end up in a weird situation when people could be advertising two competing businesses simultaneously, in the avatar and signature.

I believe this is unlikely to happen. Campaign managers would evaluate this type of situation before approving a new user for their campaign. And even if it was accepted in both, the subscription campaign manager would most likely reevaluate keeping that user in the campaign.

[LTU_btc]

I believe this is unlikely to happen. Campaign managers would evaluate this type of situation before approving a new user for their campaign. And even if it was accepted in both, the subscription campaign manager would most likely reevaluate keeping that user in the campaign.

Yeah, I'm sure that campaign managers wouldn't let to advertise two competing business at the same time - you can't sit on 2 chairs at the same time.
But when probably 90% of campaigns is about gambling, it doesn't leaves many options to advertise something different.

[pawel7777]

Latest developments in the signature campaigns world:
Apparently Stake campaign has switched to USDT payments and consequently got moved to the Bounty board as well as removed from the Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns thread.

hilariousandco's (Global Mod) statement:

LoyceV posted something close but not anything saying you cannot post a campaign paying in altcoin.

I'm curious where you read that:

Services provided/demanded on-forum for Bitcoin.

It literally says it's for Bitcoin services, and I've reported many topics over the years saying "Non-Bitcoin service", after which they got moved (or deleted). There's no need to say it's not for altcoins, altcoins are not Bitcoin.

Correct. If it doesn't pay in bitcoin it belongs elsewhere just like if threads don't pay in some sort of crypto at all threads are trashed.

Any thoughts on that?
I understand the logic, but I wouldn't be surprised if other major campaigns also decided to switch to stablecoins (due to the unpredictability of BTC fees), in which case, either Mitchell would have to change the policy for his Overview thread, or we could need a new summary (perhaps in the Altcoins section) that includes all types of campaigns.

[logfiles]

Any thoughts on that?

It's the right thing to do.

I understand the logic, but I wouldn't be surprised if other major campaigns also decided to switch to stablecoins (due to the unpredictability of BTC fees), in which case, either Mitchell would have to change the policy for his Overview thread,

Why would he? The list is strictly for Bitcoin paying signature campaigns

or we could need a new summary (perhaps in the Altcoins section) that includes all types of campaigns.

That lists already exists. Maybe it just needs to be updated

Signature campaigns paid in stable coins/ top altcoins like LTC

[PX-Z]

I understand the logic, but I wouldn't be surprised if other major campaigns also decided to switch to stablecoins (due to the unpredictability of BTC fees)

So far the fees now are back in 20 sats/vB range but it go back to the way it used to be like in halving for some time (who knows when).

in which case, either Mitchell would have to change the policy for his Overview thread, or we could need a new summary (perhaps in the Altcoins section) that includes all types of campaigns.

It could be but this thread will not be belong here anymore, well if it's a mixed campaigns (alts and bitcoin list) i guess it's fine but i don't think it will be happening too soon.