[Boxing]: Gonzalez vs Martinez

[Baofeng]

Ok, so another fight that we all have been waiting for. As confirmed by Eddie Hearn, there will be a third match between these 2 great super flyweights. This year, it was a classic back and forth war, but Estrada edging Chocolatito by split decision. So now it's 1-1. They will have to settle in the upcoming trilogy as to who is the best.



https://www.boxingscene.com/juan-francisco-estrada-vs-roman-chocolatito-gonzalez-trilogy-slated-oct-16-usa--158783

At this point I can't make up my mind, I wanted to see Chocolatito win by Estrada's volume punching can sway the judge in his favour in close rounds.

@bisdak40 - bro, what's you call on this? I know that you are a big fan of Chocolatito, hehehe

[btc_angela]

Good that Estrada is true to his words after he won the second fight. He said that he will give Gonzalez a third fight because it was really close. I will go with Estrada here, I think Gonzalez has shown wear and tear during the last fight. This is probably his last fight as he is no longer in his prime and probably just wanted to exit with a bang (good pay check).

[Kemarit]

Good that Estrada is true to his words after he won the second fight. He said that he will give Gonzalez a third fight because it was really close. I will go with Estrada here, I think Gonzalez has shown wear and tear during the last fight. This is probably his last fight as he is no longer in his prime and probably just wanted to exit with a bang (good pay check).

But Chocolatito throws more punches in the second fight, so I think as far as volume punching, it should be Gonzalez. So the second fight is really debatable, it's a UD win for Estrada but it can go either way. And with that said, this is still winnable for Chocolatito, and I don't think that age is a big factor for him as obviously he can still throw 100 punches per round.

[Dave1]

Estrada will be the slight favorite going into this fight based on the strength that he beat Gonzalez last time. But it doesn't mean that he will have the advantage in the trilogy. For me it was Gonzalez who won the second fight, but the judges saw otherwise. So the same here, I will bet on Gonzalez by decision, could be unanimous.

[electronicash]

Estrada will be the slight favorite going into this fight based on the strength that he beat Gonzalez last time. But it doesn't mean that he will have the advantage in the trilogy. For me it was Gonzalez who won the second fight, but the judges saw otherwise. So the same here, I will bet on Gonzalez by decision, could be unanimous.

gonzales must be the one who requested this 3rd fight. a win by decision makes people doubt the outcome, there has to be a KO to end it all.
i don't really follow the two. but looking into their records the two fights end with decisions which both must be a close fight.  both have wins to each other so as a tie-breaker a 3rd fight has to happen. 

[Obito]

Estrada will be the slight favorite going into this fight based on the strength that he beat Gonzalez last time. But it doesn't mean that he will have the advantage in the trilogy. For me it was Gonzalez who won the second fight, but the judges saw otherwise. So the same here, I will bet on Gonzalez by decision, could be unanimous.

That's if that will be the same for the third fight, if Gonzalez knows that he will have a hard time in the UD, I think that going aggressive this time will be much better and aiming for a KO would be the goal at the least. Regarding Estrada, I think that he will probably take it easy on this fight and try to do the same performance last time because if the formula works, he will probably do it again.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Estrada will be the slight favorite going into this fight based on the strength that he beat Gonzalez last time. But it doesn't mean that he will have the advantage in the trilogy. For me it was Gonzalez who won the second fight, but the judges saw otherwise. So the same here, I will bet on Gonzalez by decision, could be unanimous.

gonzales must be the one who requested this 3rd fight. a win by decision makes people doubt the outcome, there has to be a KO to end it all.
i don't really follow the two. but looking into their records the two fights end with decisions which both must be a close fight.  both have wins to each other so as a tie-breaker a 3rd fight has to happen. 

I don't think there will be KO to end the trilogy. The two doesn't have knock out power, they are really slugger, but who knows maybe Gonzalez can caught Estrada coming in and then boom, perfect timing.

You should look at there fights in youtube mate, it is really a war, both fights is a candidate for fight for the year (not sure if the 1st one won it already).

[Yaunfitda]

Estrada will be the slight favorite going into this fight based on the strength that he beat Gonzalez last time. But it doesn't mean that he will have the advantage in the trilogy. For me it was Gonzalez who won the second fight, but the judges saw otherwise. So the same here, I will bet on Gonzalez by decision, could be unanimous.

That's if that will be the same for the third fight, if Gonzalez knows that he will have a hard time in the UD, I think that going aggressive this time will be much better and aiming for a KO would be the goal at the least. Regarding Estrada, I think that he will probably take it easy on this fight and try to do the same performance last time because if the formula works, he will probably do it again.

Maybe there's no adjustments in the third fight, they will start swinging at it again. Both are going to be aggressive. In the last fight, Gonzalez started being the aggressor so the first half belongs to him. Not sure if he gets tired, because it was Estrada's turn in the second half and that's what the judges saw. But it's a controversial decision as majority saw Gonzalez winning because of his aggressiveness early.

[Obito]

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Maybe there's no adjustments in the third fight, they will start swinging at it again. Both are going to be aggressive. In the last fight, Gonzalez started being the aggressor so the first half belongs to him. Not sure if he gets tired, because it was Estrada's turn in the second half and that's what the judges saw. But it's a controversial decision as majority saw Gonzalez winning because of his aggressiveness early.

Probably but there's definitely a mind game involved but we know that they will probably review their fight in tapes and the winning and losing side will try to see what they did wrong and what they did right and how can they capitalize more on the right things that they did.

[bisdak40]

@bisdak40 - bro, what's you call on this? I know that you are a big fan of Chocolatito, hehehe

These two deserve this trilogy or even a fourth fight if the third fight will still be close.

I'm a big fan of chocolatito as this man looks amazing in the back when he was still undefeated but this Estrada is the one whom I'll never forget as he is the one who dealt Milan Milendo the biggest loss of his career which was his first title fight if my memory serves me right  .

Roman Gonzales will still be the underdog going into this fight but still, I'm going to root for him as he have a high possibility to pull an upset this time.

[Jating]

Estrada will be the slight favorite going into this fight based on the strength that he beat Gonzalez last time. But it doesn't mean that he will have the advantage in the trilogy. For me it was Gonzalez who won the second fight, but the judges saw otherwise. So the same here, I will bet on Gonzalez by decision, could be unanimous.

That's if that will be the same for the third fight, if Gonzalez knows that he will have a hard time in the UD, I think that going aggressive this time will be much better and aiming for a KO would be the goal at the least. Regarding Estrada, I think that he will probably take it easy on this fight and try to do the same performance last time because if the formula works, he will probably do it again.

Maybe there's no adjustments in the third fight, they will start swinging at it again. Both are going to be aggressive. In the last fight, Gonzalez started being the aggressor so the first half belongs to him. Not sure if he gets tired, because it was Estrada's turn in the second half and that's what the judges saw. But it's a controversial decision as majority saw Gonzalez winning because of his aggressiveness early.

They, specially Roman Gonazalez, can't just go there and used his previous strategy because obviously he has lost. Maybe he needs to improve his stamina a bit or really look at Estrada's flaw that he can take advantage of. Just keep the phase and try to outdo the volume puncher in Estrada, but try to hit cleanly to impressed the judge so that in close quarters, he will get the nod and take the W.

[Baofeng]

@bisdak40 - bro, what's you call on this? I know that you are a big fan of Chocolatito, hehehe

These two deserve this trilogy or even a fourth fight if the third fight will still be close.

I'm a big fan of chocolatito as this man looks amazing in the back when he was still undefeated but this Estrada is the one whom I'll never forget as he is the one who dealt Milan Milendo the biggest loss of his career which was his first title fight if my memory serves me right  .

Roman Gonzales will still be the underdog going into this fight but still, I'm going to root for him as he have a high possibility to pull an upset this time.

I'm also thinking that maybe Roman Gonzalez being the underdog will have to used that as motivation and pull an upset and become a world champion again. This is very important fight for Gonzalez, because if he losses again, he is done. So. this is a legacy fight and a must win for him. Yeah, it if goes to on the judges scorecard and be razor thin close, we might see a 4th fight.

Take note that this is their second fight in a year, no mandatory, straight up 3rd fight.

[Cling18]

Estrada will surely be a favorite in this match but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a tough fight for him. I've seen how aggressive Gonzalez is and I guess he still has to learn how to handle every punch that Gonzalez might throw. Gonzalez is well-motivated and he will surely do everything to win this fight. It's a match that we have to look forward.

[Kittygalore]

Estrada will surely be a favorite in this match but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a tough fight for him. I've seen how aggressive Gonzalez is and I guess he still has to learn how to handle every punch that Gonzalez might throw. Gonzalez is well-motivated and he will surely do everything to win this fight. It's a match that we have to look forward.

If Gonzalez continues to do the same thing in their next match, Estrada will probably do the same thing and will probably cause him to win again. Maybe he will do it differently this time or make a more aggressive approach than the last time so he can do some knockout.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

I enjoyed their last fight so hopefully but sides will give their best performance to make a good show of skill and power. Probably another UD will happen on this one which is good for me because for me it's not important who gets knocked out, what I want is a dragged fight that ends with both side still standing.

[btc_angela]

Good that Estrada is true to his words after he won the second fight. He said that he will give Gonzalez a third fight because it was really close. I will go with Estrada here, I think Gonzalez has shown wear and tear during the last fight. This is probably his last fight as he is no longer in his prime and probably just wanted to exit with a bang (good pay check).

But Chocolatito throws more punches in the second fight, so I think as far as volume punching, it should be Gonzalez. So the second fight is really debatable, it's a UD win for Estrada but it can go either way. And with that said, this is still winnable for Chocolatito, and I don't think that age is a big factor for him as obviously he can still throw 100 punches per round.

Both of them did become a volume puncher in their second fight. And I would agree that it can go either way, but Estrada seems to get the decision because of the way he touches Gonzalez. Fighters are good as their last fight, so I would say that Estrada would be the better condition as Gonzalez body might not be in the best shape because of his age.

[Yaunfitda]

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Maybe there's no adjustments in the third fight, they will start swinging at it again. Both are going to be aggressive. In the last fight, Gonzalez started being the aggressor so the first half belongs to him. Not sure if he gets tired, because it was Estrada's turn in the second half and that's what the judges saw. But it's a controversial decision as majority saw Gonzalez winning because of his aggressiveness early.

Probably but there's definitely a mind game involved but we know that they will probably review their fight in tapes and the winning and losing side will try to see what they did wrong and what they did right and how can they capitalize more on the right things that they did.

I'm not sure what do you mean my mind games, this is already their third fight, they have known the styles and weaknesses, so for me, as both are rivals in this weight class, they will just go at it just like the first 2 fights. And see who stands as the winner. I'm not seeing Gonzalez not being the aggressive and change like to be the counter puncher. And Estrada will not hold back, his style is to overwhelm his opponent with volumes.

[robelneo]

I have seen the two fights and it deserves a third fight and there's a possibility that it's not going to be a trilogy at all, the two fighters are made for each other, both fighters are prepared and ready to engage, Chocolatito is already old and slow on their last fight but he still can last a full 12 rounds I'll go for Estrada here, if the fight is like the one that they left behind in the second fight, then the fight could go either way.

[Vaculin]

Any betting odds already for this trilogy fight?

I'm not a big fan of these fighters, but the fact that they are in a trilogy, makes me think that they have a successful first two fights and this will be the final fight. Hopefully they'll be able to sell especially in PPV, we supported an exhibition fights, we need to support more the real fights like this.

[Baofeng]

Any betting odds already for this trilogy fight?

No odds yet mate, we will have to wait a bit.

I'm not a big fan of these fighters, but the fact that they are in a trilogy, makes me think that they have a successful first two fights and this will be the final fight. Hopefully they'll be able to sell especially in PPV, we supported an exhibition fights, we need to support more the real fights like this.

Yes, two great fights that can go either way, in the first fight, Gonzalez wins, but there are fans that says Estrada should be get the nod. In the rematch, Estrada won by a split decision, but there is also a case that Gonzalez should have won that fight. So it's really very close that's why a trilogy is needed to settle the score between the two warriors.

[Dave1]

I have seen the two fights and it deserves a third fight and there's a possibility that it's not going to be a trilogy at all, the two fighters are made for each other, both fighters are prepared and ready to engage, Chocolatito is already old and slow on their last fight but he still can last a full 12 rounds I'll go for Estrada here, if the fight is like the one that they left behind in the second fight, then the fight could go either way.

Agree, it is in the mold of other great trilogies and more, like Barrera-Morales or Israel Vasquez vs the younger Marquez. For sure as others have said, this is going to be a toe-to-toe battle from round 1 and it could go and last a full 12 rounds and it will go to the judges scorecard. But if there is another controversy, we might see a fourth fight. This is 50/50 in my opinion, hard to predict who has the edge in this fight. SD for the winner.

[Oshosondy]

To predict this kind of match will be difficult, both Estrada and Chocolatito has fought two times while Chocolatito won and Estrada also won. I can not bet on this kind of match, but I think if I would have to choose between the two of them who is going to win the third coming match between both of them, I will go for Estrada, but I will not be surprising if the match goes other way but still it will be a good match to watch for pleasure.

[YuginKadoya]

Both men can definitely win and I think it is possible that both are just thinking the same thing, it is to win, this is a very close fight in my opinion, on their first clash Chocolatito won with a Unanimous Decision Chocolatito did punch with volumes so in their 2nd round Chocolatito have shown another great fight again but the judge decision is very controversial here, the score was so close that they think Chocolatito have won their 2nd match, it is a split decision and a close card, well I say Estrada did something to the get judge decision that other don't see but lets all wait on who's going to win on this Trilogy.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Both men can definitely win and I think it is possible that both are just thinking the same thing, it is to win, this is a very close fight in my opinion, on their first clash Chocolatito won with a Unanimous Decision Chocolatito did punch with volumes so in their 2nd round Chocolatito have shown another great fight again but the judge decision is very controversial here, the score was so close that they think Chocolatito have won their 2nd match, it is a split decision and a close card, well I say Estrada did something to the get judge decision that other don't see but lets all wait on who's going to win on this Trilogy.

Estrada really try to out muscle and put pressure and become aggressive in the second half of the fight that's why the judges see him winning on a very close and controversial decision. But Chocolatito has more power, but Estrada has volume and work rate. So this fight can sway on either direction. It's probably depends on how the judges are going to see the fight. Maybe a draw, which is rare is boxing could happen here.

[Zilon]

This is going to be a tough trilogy fight for Estrada Haven lost to Gonzales in 2012 and had to stand a toe-to-toe  blow all night. Going by the statistics I guess Gonzales is getting more prepared for this rematch following the 391 by Gonzales and 314 by Estrada. It's going to be real tough

[YuginKadoya]

Both men can definitely win and I think it is possible that both are just thinking the same thing, it is to win, this is a very close fight in my opinion, on their first clash Chocolatito won with a Unanimous Decision Chocolatito did punch with volumes so in their 2nd round Chocolatito have shown another great fight again but the judge decision is very controversial here, the score was so close that they think Chocolatito have won their 2nd match, it is a split decision and a close card, well I say Estrada did something to the get judge decision that other don't see but lets all wait on who's going to win on this Trilogy.

Estrada really try to out muscle and put pressure and become aggressive in the second half of the fight that's why the judges see him winning on a very close and controversial decision. But Chocolatito has more power, but Estrada has volume and work rate. So this fight can sway on either direction. It's probably depends on how the judges are going to see the fight. Maybe a draw, which is rare is boxing could happen here.

I Agree! let's just hope it is not a draw, hehe, but yes I can not say who is a better boxer because both of them had a pretty different style than the other, and you are right this will definitely depend on the judge decision, if there are more technical shots or there is a volume of shots a fighter could  throw this will be a decision for the judge watchful eyes on the fight, their decision to make, but if I would choose who do I think going to win, I would surely go with Chocolatito, Roman Gonzalez can sure give more if he can get a devastating punch on Estrada he can have a KO win.

[AverageGlabella]

To predict this kind of match will be difficult, both Estrada and Chocolatito has fought two times while Chocolatito won and Estrada also won. I can not bet on this kind of match, but I think if I would have to choose between the two of them who is going to win the third coming match between both of them, I will go for Estrada, but I will not be surprising if the match goes other way but still it will be a good match to watch for pleasure.

Its the usually the person who can make the better adjustments that wins the rematch which I think will be Chocolatito. Estrada is a good fighter but I am not convinced that he can adapt and win this trilogy. They have both proven that they are good fighters but I think Chocolatito just was not performing on the night that he lost. I think this time around it will be a decisive victory and not as close as people are expecting. I might even put money on a knockout win.

[FinneysTrueVision]

It took so long for the second fight to happen but I am glad they are doing the trilogy right away without a tune up fight in between. The first two could have gone either way and I expect the third to be really close also. Estrada was the favorite last time around but I expect Gonzalez to be favored in the third fight. I hope someone can win decisively this time and not leave it up to the judges so there will not be any controversy surrounding the decision.

[Kemarit]

Both men can definitely win and I think it is possible that both are just thinking the same thing, it is to win, this is a very close fight in my opinion, on their first clash Chocolatito won with a Unanimous Decision Chocolatito did punch with volumes so in their 2nd round Chocolatito have shown another great fight again but the judge decision is very controversial here, the score was so close that they think Chocolatito have won their 2nd match, it is a split decision and a close card, well I say Estrada did something to the get judge decision that other don't see but lets all wait on who's going to win on this Trilogy.

Estrada really try to out muscle and put pressure and become aggressive in the second half of the fight that's why the judges see him winning on a very close and controversial decision. But Chocolatito has more power, but Estrada has volume and work rate. So this fight can sway on either direction. It's probably depends on how the judges are going to see the fight. Maybe a draw, which is rare is boxing could happen here.

I Agree! let's just hope it is not a draw, hehe, but yes I can not say who is a better boxer because both of them had a pretty different style than the other, and you are right this will definitely depend on the judge decision, if there are more technical shots or there is a volume of shots a fighter could  throw this will be a decision for the judge watchful eyes on the fight, their decision to make, but if I would choose who do I think going to win, I would surely go with Chocolatito, Roman Gonzalez can sure give more if he can get a devastating punch on Estrada he can have a KO win.

But if by chance it ended up in a draw and you put a bet on it, then surely it wll be a big win for you.

However, I will echo the sentiments of our beloved boxing community here, this fight is still 50:50 and can go either way. Chocolatito might have a slight advantage on power, but if you are like throwing 100 punches per round, it's hard to sustain that kind of volume. The best we can see is a technical knock down or referee stop the contest.

[YuginKadoya]

But if by chance it ended up in a draw and you put a bet on it, then surely it wll be a big win for you.

However, I will echo the sentiments of our beloved boxing community here, this fight is still 50:50 and can go either way. Chocolatito might have a slight advantage on power, but if you are like throwing 100 punches per round, it's hard to sustain that kind of volume. The best we can see is a technical knock down or referee stop the contest.

That will be a big risk and crazy in doing something like that, there is a small chance for a match like boxing ending up in a draw but eventually, it can surely happen, I think the percentage of this match ending in a daw will be a slim 5% in my opinion, where did I get the percentage partially just a speculation,

There is a high rate that the fight can end up on a technical knockdown than a draw in my opinion, but a higher percentage, that the fight would end on a Split decision again.

[TimeTeller]

But if by chance it ended up in a draw and you put a bet on it, then surely it wll be a big win for you.

However, I will echo the sentiments of our beloved boxing community here, this fight is still 50:50 and can go either way. Chocolatito might have a slight advantage on power, but if you are like throwing 100 punches per round, it's hard to sustain that kind of volume. The best we can see is a technical knock down or referee stop the contest.

That will be a big risk and crazy in doing something like that, there is a small chance for a match like boxing ending up in a draw but eventually, it can surely happen, I think the percentage of this match ending in a daw will be a slim 5% in my opinion, where did I get the percentage partially just a speculation,

There is a high rate that the fight can end up on a technical knockdown than a draw in my opinion, but a higher percentage, that the fight would end on a Split decision again.

I also don't think this fight will end up draw, either TKO or UD or split decision.
We have no odds yet, but who do you think sportsbookies will favor on this one?
I think Chocolatito will win on this one, to prove that he still got the power on himself.
He needs to redeem himself as the last fight was a close one and it was given to Estrada by the judges.

[TravelMug]

But if by chance it ended up in a draw and you put a bet on it, then surely it wll be a big win for you.

However, I will echo the sentiments of our beloved boxing community here, this fight is still 50:50 and can go either way. Chocolatito might have a slight advantage on power, but if you are like throwing 100 punches per round, it's hard to sustain that kind of volume. The best we can see is a technical knock down or referee stop the contest.

That will be a big risk and crazy in doing something like that, there is a small chance for a match like boxing ending up in a draw but eventually, it can surely happen, I think the percentage of this match ending in a daw will be a slim 5% in my opinion, where did I get the percentage partially just a speculation,

There is a high rate that the fight can end up on a technical knockdown than a draw in my opinion, but a higher percentage, that the fight would end on a Split decision again.

I also don't think this fight will end up draw, either TKO or UD or split decision.
We have no odds yet, but who do you think sportsbookies will favor on this one?
I think Chocolatito will win on this one, to prove that he still got the power on himself.
He needs to redeem himself as the last fight was a close one and it was given to Estrada by the judges.

It might be Estrada as a small and slight and early betting favourite.

Yeah, I've been thinking about this fight lately and I've been swayed to believed that Gonzalez is the more hungrier of the two and he wants to avenge his lost because it was very close. The fight though is still like 12 weeks but maybe either boxer have started to do so light trainings already as not to over train but at least get their body going so that it will be prime for this biggest fight of their career in October. Not just the physical preparation but everything should be perfect like diet and then their mind as well.

[carlisle1]

It might be Estrada as a small and slight and early betting favorite.

Yeah, I've been thinking about this fight lately and I've been swayed to believed that Gonzalez is the more hungrier of the two and he wants to avenge his lost because it was very close. The fight though is still like 12 weeks but maybe either boxer have started to do so light trainings already as not to over train but at least get their body going so that it will be prime for this biggest fight of their career in October. Not just the physical preparation but everything should be perfect like diet and then their mind as well.

I believe that they already on their preparation period, watching those replays and start to condition the body of both fighters.

We know that if there's an incoming fights trainers needs to advance all the possible strategy for the fighter to find the right combo
and to make sure that he have the stamina.

Both fighters for sure wanted to end this series, winning this fight with pride and much confidence proving who's really the great between them.

[Lorence.xD]

It took so long for the second fight to happen but I am glad they are doing the trilogy right away without a tune up fight in between. The first two could have gone either way and I expect the third to be really close also. Estrada was the favorite last time around but I expect Gonzalez to be favored in the third fight. I hope someone can win decisively this time and not leave it up to the judges so there will not be any controversy surrounding the decision.

It's not that long though, I mean there's Pacquaio having a two year stint and now he is fighting Spence. Hopefully we can see some knockout here so it's a bit worth it to watch the third match.

[rodskee]

Ok, so another fight that we all have been waiting for. As confirmed by Eddie Hearn, there will be a third match between these 2 great super flyweights. This year, it was a classic back and forth war, but Estrada edging Chocolatito by split decision. So now it's 1-1. They will have to settle in the upcoming trilogy as to who is the best.



https://www.boxingscene.com/juan-francisco-estrada-vs-roman-chocolatito-gonzalez-trilogy-slated-oct-16-usa--158783

At this point I can't make up my mind, I wanted to see Chocolatito win by Estrada's volume punching can sway the judge in his favour in close rounds.

@bisdak40 - bro, what's you call on this? I know that you are a big fan of Chocolatito, hehehe

it is rare nowadays that trilogy happens in boxing world, maybe they did not get too much attentions from the fans and bettors thats why the fight did not even move to 2nd game.

but these 2 are the best super flyweight of our time now and  even watching them fighting for years now.

But i am looking for Estrada to win , hope finally he will end this trilogy and close the bout to move on for another opponent .

[FinneysTrueVision]

It took so long for the second fight to happen but I am glad they are doing the trilogy right away without a tune up fight in between. The first two could have gone either way and I expect the third to be really close also. Estrada was the favorite last time around but I expect Gonzalez to be favored in the third fight. I hope someone can win decisively this time and not leave it up to the judges so there will not be any controversy surrounding the decision.

It's not that long though, I mean there's Pacquaio having a two year stint and now he is fighting Spence. Hopefully we can see some knockout here so it's a bit worth it to watch the third match.

The first fight happened in 2012 and the second was in 2021. More than 8 years apart, that's why I said it was a long time. Luckily, the third fight will happen later this year so we will not be deprived for very long this time.

[YuginKadoya]

But if by chance it ended up in a draw and you put a bet on it, then surely it wll be a big win for you.

However, I will echo the sentiments of our beloved boxing community here, this fight is still 50:50 and can go either way. Chocolatito might have a slight advantage on power, but if you are like throwing 100 punches per round, it's hard to sustain that kind of volume. The best we can see is a technical knock down or referee stop the contest.

That will be a big risk and crazy in doing something like that, there is a small chance for a match like boxing ending up in a draw but eventually, it can surely happen, I think the percentage of this match ending in a daw will be a slim 5% in my opinion, where did I get the percentage partially just a speculation,

There is a high rate that the fight can end up on a technical knockdown than a draw in my opinion, but a higher percentage, that the fight would end on a Split decision again.

I also don't think this fight will end up draw, either TKO or UD or split decision.
We have no odds yet, but who do you think sportsbookies will favor on this one?
I think Chocolatito will win on this one, to prove that he still got the power on himself.
He needs to redeem himself as the last fight was a close one and it was given to Estrada by the judges.

I have said that it may end up in a draw but that outcome is very slim if you have a volume puncher and a technical KO puncher in the ring, anything is possible if the is not yet finish, but going in a draw is very very slim, I can say that Chocolatito can win this by TKO/KO or Estrada can win in a unanimous decision but until the fight is not settled we are free to speculate, Right now I think Estrada is on the edge over the odds I will verify this later, but Estrada is gaining popularity from their last fight and if Chocolatito is not hungry enough in getting a win on Estrada, then the same outcome from their last fight will just repeat.

[Yaunfitda]

It took so long for the second fight to happen but I am glad they are doing the trilogy right away without a tune up fight in between. The first two could have gone either way and I expect the third to be really close also. Estrada was the favorite last time around but I expect Gonzalez to be favored in the third fight. I hope someone can win decisively this time and not leave it up to the judges so there will not be any controversy surrounding the decision.

It's not that long though, I mean there's Pacquaio having a two year stint and now he is fighting Spence. Hopefully we can see some knockout here so it's a bit worth it to watch the third match.

Having a long rest for a boxer quiet questionable if he can still fight, but these two boxer I guess they are still capable to explode considering their previous matches. Estrada and Gonzalez are fighting again to claim the throne and to be declared as the best. It's hard to judge since they tied at 1-1 and this match is indeed a decision match and this might be the last between this two, we don't know. I'll go for Estrada this time but I don't see a knockout on this match.

Regarding this fight, it's not a long rest between the two. They fought this year and then go straight for the immediate trilogy because of the controversial decision. I guess there are fighters that are affected by the long lay-offs and then there are those elite ones like Pacquiao or Loma who didn't seem to show ring rust. For the knockout, very possible, it's just the timing and the power behind the punch. If it hits perfectly, then someone will have to go down in this fight.

[Baofeng]

Some updates on this fight,

There has been some developments, the official date is March 5 as reported by several sports news outlet.

Estrada vs Chocolatito 3 tickets to witness all the action at Pechanga Arena San Diego on Saturday, March 5 are on sale. Tickets can be purchased through TicketNetwork.

Estrada (42-3, 28 KOs) took the revenge against Gonzalez (50-3, 41 KOS) by split decision last March. Their first fight goes back to November 2012 when ‘Chocolatito’ came out on top with a unanimous decision.

The pair is now set to square the difference in the trilogy. The bout is scheduled for twelve rounds.

https://www.fightmag.com.au/2022/01/09/estrada-vs-chocolatito-3-date-set-for-mar-5-in-san-diego-tickets/

So I'm re-opening this thread and let's continue our lively discussion as who do you think will win in their trilogy.

[Yaunfitda]

^^ Ok that is good news for boxing fans and as we all know that two fights are really classic and as you have said, it's 1-1 and this third fight will settle the score.

And as per sportsbet.io, the odds are the following:

Estrada - 1.85
Gonzalez - 1.85

Interesting that the odds is 50/50 as well.

[btc_angela]

^^ Ok that is good news for boxing fans and as we all know that two fights are really classic and as you have said, it's 1-1 and this third fight will settle the score.

And as per sportsbet.io, the odds are the following:

Estrada - 1.85
Gonzalez - 1.85

Interesting that the odds is 50/50 as well.

It's means that even the punters are divided as to who is to be given the favourite in this fight because it's 1-1 with no real favourite as the fight can go either way.

But on the strengths of the last fight, I will give the edge to Estrada. But probably will end up on the judges scorecard and could be another close fight.

[yazher]

Trilogy is the best fight to watch especially when the score is 1-1 where the fighters once more will gonna prove to the people who is the best fighter among them. This will be an interesting fight since their rival is somewhat like Pacquiao-Morales fight where the match is purely unpredictable when they step in the ring. This should be a must-watch in my list since the date is close though.

[aioc]

Trilogy is the best fight to watch especially when the score is 1-1 where the fighters once more will gonna prove to the people who is the best fighter among them. This will be an interesting fight since their rival is somewhat like Pacquiao-Morales fight where the match is purely unpredictable when they step in the ring. This should be a must-watch in my list since the date is close though.

Another great trilogy matches up that we can compare was the Barrera - Morales trilogy it was and still is the best trilogy to watch and this Estrada vs Gonzalez Trilogy can match the Barrera - Morales, this is a very even match and the fight could go either way, still, two months to go I'm sure there will be a good build-up on this fight, this is a match not to be miss because all trilogies are great.

[bisdak40]

^^ Ok that is good news for boxing fans and as we all know that two fights are really classic and as you have said, it's 1-1 and this third fight will settle the score.

And as per sportsbet.io, the odds are the following:

Estrada - 1.85
Gonzalez - 1.85

Interesting that the odds is 50/50 as well.

This is one of the fights that i'm waiting for. Yes, for me it is exciting to watch and betting wise, you can get value of your money even if you only bet on the moneyline.

Though i'm a fan of Roman Gonzales but seeing him performed against Estrada last time, i don't think he would win unless something happens or Gonzales would hurt Estrada somewhere in the middle rounds.

This is just my observation, seems to me that Gonzales is on the down hill of his career while Estrada is peaking.

[Maslate]

^^ Ok that is good news for boxing fans and as we all know that two fights are really classic and as you have said, it's 1-1 and this third fight will settle the score.

And as per sportsbet.io, the odds are the following:

Estrada - 1.85
Gonzalez - 1.85

Interesting that the odds is 50/50 as well.

This is one of the fights that i'm waiting for. Yes, for me it is exciting to watch and betting wise, you can get value of your money even if you only bet on the moneyline.

Though i'm a fan of Roman Gonzales but seeing him performed against Estrada last time, i don't think he would win unless something happens or Gonzales would hurt Estrada somewhere in the middle rounds.

This is just my observation, seems to me that Gonzales is on the down hill of his career while Estrada is peaking.

Same here, I'm definitely gonna put a bet on the winner last time, he has the momentum so I guess he could win the fight. The odds are great,  Estrada is not a huge favorite, so this is an opportunity for us bettors to place our bet early as I believe an odds movement might happen in favor of Estrada as the fight is approaching.

[coin-investor]

This is just my observation, seems to me that Gonzales is on the down hill of his career while Estrada is peaking.

We never know, just take a look at the case of Donaire many thought he is in downhill after his loss to Inoue but he made a resurgence and he is a champion once again, we cannot count a heart of a champion out, they know what's at stake here and both fighters will fully prepare for this fight, we all love trilogies and this is one trilogy in the making that will get hype because of the first two fights.

[Ziskinberg]

This is just my observation, seems to me that Gonzales is on the down hill of his career while Estrada is peaking.

We never know, just take a look at the case of Donaire many thought he is in downhill after his loss to Inoue but he made a resurgence and he is a champion once again, we cannot count a heart of a champion out, they know what's at stake here and both fighters will fully prepare for this fight, we all love trilogies and this is one trilogy in the making that will get hype because of the first two fights.

I'm not sure but in most of the trilogy I watch, the winner in the 3rd fight is the one who won the 2nd fight. So this should be a win by Estrada if the trend will be the same here. I'm expecting a good fight, a toe-to-toe fight as they are both champions and want to hold the belt again.

If there's a poll my vote goes to Estrada, 100% sure.

[Jawhead999]

Looking from their previous fight, first it's ended Unanimous Decision for Gonzalez, the second it's ended Split Decision for Estrada... for me Gonzalez have higher chance to win on the third fight. Even it's true the recent Estrada record are better than Gonzalez since Gonzalez lose more than Estrada, but the second fight was close. I'm expecting Gonzales win by Split Decision.

[Davidvictorson]

Looking from their previous fight, first it's ended Unanimous Decision for Gonzalez, the second it's ended Split Decision for Estrada... for me Gonzalez have higher chance to win on the third fight. Even it's true the recent Estrada record are better than Gonzalez since Gonzalez lose more than Estrada, but the second fight was close. I'm expecting Gonzales win by Split Decision.

Their last fight was incredible. I thought that this type of fight had already become extinct due to the new currents of modern boxing in which they care more about defending themselves than attacking. These 2 left it all in the ring and gave us what is definitely the best fight in years. Here the real winner was public for witnessing such a magnificent fight.

[TravelMug]

Looking from their previous fight, first it's ended Unanimous Decision for Gonzalez, the second it's ended Split Decision for Estrada... for me Gonzalez have higher chance to win on the third fight. Even it's true the recent Estrada record are better than Gonzalez since Gonzalez lose more than Estrada, but the second fight was close. I'm expecting Gonzales win by Split Decision.

Their last fight was incredible. I thought that this type of fight had already become extinct due to the new currents of modern boxing in which they care more about defending themselves than attacking. These 2 left it all in the ring and gave us what is definitely the best fight in years. Here the real winner was public for witnessing such a magnificent fight.

And the good thing is that after the second fight, Estrada promises Gonzalez a 3rd fight and this is what we are going to see in March.

So you will have to commend Estrada's intention that even they are rivals, there are so much respect outside of the ring and both are gentlemen willing to give everything in their fight but at the end of the day, they are going to shake hands.

[Finestream]

Looking from their previous fight, first it's ended Unanimous Decision for Gonzalez, the second it's ended Split Decision for Estrada... for me Gonzalez have higher chance to win on the third fight. Even it's true the recent Estrada record are better than Gonzalez since Gonzalez lose more than Estrada, but the second fight was close. I'm expecting Gonzales win by Split Decision.

Their last fight was incredible. I thought that this type of fight had already become extinct due to the new currents of modern boxing in which they care more about defending themselves than attacking. These 2 left it all in the ring and gave us what is definitely the best fight in years. Here the real winner was public for witnessing such a magnificent fight.

And the good thing is that after the second fight, Estrada promises Gonzalez a 3rd fight and this is what we are going to see in March.

So you will have to commend Estrada's intention that even they are rivals, there are so much respect outside of the ring and both are gentlemen willing to give everything in their fight but at the end of the day, they are going to shake hands.

He respects his opponent and he trusts himself that he will win. That's real sportsmanship, they are both willing to give each other a chance to win and I hope that kind of value will remain in the sports of boxing, so everyone will have a chance to fight again even if they lose in the 1st fight. I'm happy with the betting odds too, looks like bookies also have some respect with both fighters.

[Yaunfitda]

^^ Ok that is good news for boxing fans and as we all know that two fights are really classic and as you have said, it's 1-1 and this third fight will settle the score.

And as per sportsbet.io, the odds are the following:

Estrada - 1.85
Gonzalez - 1.85

Interesting that the odds is 50/50 as well.

This is one of the fights that i'm waiting for. Yes, for me it is exciting to watch and betting wise, you can get value of your money even if you only bet on the moneyline.

Though i'm a fan of Roman Gonzales but seeing him performed against Estrada last time, i don't think he would win unless something happens or Gonzales would hurt Estrada somewhere in the middle rounds.

This is just my observation, seems to me that Gonzales is on the down hill of his career while Estrada is peaking.

Right, as much as we don't want to say this, but he seems to be way past his prime right now and we can clearly see it during the second fight. He is a volume puncher no doubt, but the punch output is not there anymore, I mean no power and that's why Estrada took the second half of the fight and eventually win the match. So it will be the same output in the 3rd fight. We might see some glimpse of old Gonzalez, but then Estrada will take his punches and then stroll for a victory.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Looking from their previous fight, first it's ended Unanimous Decision for Gonzalez, the second it's ended Split Decision for Estrada... for me Gonzalez have higher chance to win on the third fight. Even it's true the recent Estrada record are better than Gonzalez since Gonzalez lose more than Estrada, but the second fight was close. I'm expecting Gonzales win by Split Decision.

Their last fight was incredible. I thought that this type of fight had already become extinct due to the new currents of modern boxing in which they care more about defending themselves than attacking. These 2 left it all in the ring and gave us what is definitely the best fight in years. Here the real winner was public for witnessing such a magnificent fight.

And the good thing is that after the second fight, Estrada promises Gonzalez a 3rd fight and this is what we are going to see in March.

So you will have to commend Estrada's intention that even they are rivals, there are so much respect outside of the ring and both are gentlemen willing to give everything in their fight but at the end of the day, they are going to shake hands.

He respects his opponent and he trusts himself that he will win. That's real sportsmanship, they are both willing to give each other a chance to win and I hope that kind of value will remain in the sports of boxing, so everyone will have a chance to fight again even if they lose in the 1st fight. I'm happy with the betting odds too, looks like bookies also have some respect with both fighters.

But there is an argument about boxing being a business now, that's why most of the time fighters avoid each other until the time is ripe to face when there is huge money in the table.

But not this fight though, it seems that there is some personal matters between the two (in a good way), and to settle the score inside the ring and not in the social media wherein some boxers are doing. This two is as old school boxers are you get. Fierce competitor, but outside can be friends.

[Baofeng]

^^ Ok that is good news for boxing fans and as we all know that two fights are really classic and as you have said, it's 1-1 and this third fight will settle the score.

And as per sportsbet.io, the odds are the following:

Estrada - 1.85
Gonzalez - 1.85

Interesting that the odds is 50/50 as well.

This is one of the fights that i'm waiting for. Yes, for me it is exciting to watch and betting wise, you can get value of your money even if you only bet on the moneyline.

Though i'm a fan of Roman Gonzales but seeing him performed against Estrada last time, i don't think he would win unless something happens or Gonzales would hurt Estrada somewhere in the middle rounds.

This is just my observation, seems to me that Gonzales is on the down hill of his career while Estrada is peaking.

I know that you are a big fan of Chocolatito but we have seen that he is really getting old and the wear and tear is really showing in second fight. Hopefully though he is well rested so that we can still see another fight of the year contender as we all know the rivalry between the two.

But with that said, I will go with Estrada again, maybe by decision and end this trilogy and close the book and maybe after the lost, Gonzales might return for good.

[AicecreaME]

Ok, so another fight that we all have been waiting for. As confirmed by Eddie Hearn, there will be a third match between these 2 great super flyweights. This year, it was a classic back and forth war, but Estrada edging Chocolatito by split decision. So now it's 1-1. They will have to settle in the upcoming trilogy as to who is the best.



https://www.boxingscene.com/juan-francisco-estrada-vs-roman-chocolatito-gonzalez-trilogy-slated-oct-16-usa--158783

At this point I can't make up my mind, I wanted to see Chocolatito win by Estrada's volume punching can sway the judge in his favour in close rounds.

@bisdak40 - bro, what's you call on this? I know that you are a big fan of Chocolatito, hehehe

This will be a tough fight between the two. Their previous fights has been thrilling and controversial because of the split victory decision recently by the judges over the recent match which was won by Estrada. Hopefully though the decision of the judges in their upcoming match on March will not be swayed by the fans of Estrada because if I'm not mistaken their game will be held in South California wherein will be dominated by Estrada's fans. Although definitely Chocolatito's fans would also be present to support their idol, still the presence of the former would be more massive than the latter. I just hope it would be a fair and square fight. If I would be asked, I think the fight would be more of Chocolatito just like the previous matches wherein it was evident he is on the winning edge. So, let's just wait and see I guess. Hopefully it would be more aggressive and entertaining to watch.

[Kakmakr]

It is a pity when great fights have to go to a decision and in this case the decision of the previous fight was very controversial. Gonzalez defeated Estrada by a unanimous decision in their previous bout. 

Roman 'Chocolatito' Gonzalez fought the best in every weight class he's stepped in and won. So with a 50-2 track record... he surely have the support for the next fight. (My bets will go to Estrada, because he has something to prove) 

[Yamifoud]

It is a pity when great fights have to go to a decision and in this case the decision of the previous fight was very controversial. Gonzalez defeated Estrada by a unanimous decision in their previous bout. 

It was not a unanimous decision, according to the site https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/467843, it was a split decision by Estrada but it was not controversial for me as I believe that Estrada was the better fighter at that time.

[Kemarit]

It is a pity when great fights have to go to a decision and in this case the decision of the previous fight was very controversial. Gonzalez defeated Estrada by a unanimous decision in their previous bout. 

It was not a unanimous decision, according to the site https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/467843, it was a split decision by Estrada but it was not controversial for me as I believe that Estrada was the better fighter at that time.

The judges get it right, the fight was dominated by Gonzalez early but Estrada rally in the second half to pull a unanimous decision. And for me, he is going to be the better fighter in the 3rd fight. As Gonzalez is already hitting a wall in his career and this could be his last fight. He no longer possesses the speed and the power during his prime and Estrada is the younger of the two so he has all the advantage and the tools to beat Gonzalez again.

[TravelMug]

Looking from their previous fight, first it's ended Unanimous Decision for Gonzalez, the second it's ended Split Decision for Estrada... for me Gonzalez have higher chance to win on the third fight. Even it's true the recent Estrada record are better than Gonzalez since Gonzalez lose more than Estrada, but the second fight was close. I'm expecting Gonzales win by Split Decision.

Their last fight was incredible. I thought that this type of fight had already become extinct due to the new currents of modern boxing in which they care more about defending themselves than attacking. These 2 left it all in the ring and gave us what is definitely the best fight in years. Here the real winner was public for witnessing such a magnificent fight.

And the good thing is that after the second fight, Estrada promises Gonzalez a 3rd fight and this is what we are going to see in March.

So you will have to commend Estrada's intention that even they are rivals, there are so much respect outside of the ring and both are gentlemen willing to give everything in their fight but at the end of the day, they are going to shake hands.

He respects his opponent and he trusts himself that he will win. That's real sportsmanship, they are both willing to give each other a chance to win and I hope that kind of value will remain in the sports of boxing, so everyone will have a chance to fight again even if they lose in the 1st fight. I'm happy with the betting odds too, looks like bookies also have some respect with both fighters.

Right, and if you look at the odds, bookies are also in the middle, undecided because it's really hard to give someone an edge with the two fights are really close in my eyes, although judges might see the fight like in the second where they give the edge to Estrada (unanimous win).

If there will be some swing in the odds, it might be small. And I'm sure this could be one of the most anticipated fight this early 2022.

[Baofeng]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

Maybe as we get to the fight date itself there could be slight odds and we might see Estrada be the favourite in this fight.

But I'm not going to be surprised because he has won the second fight.

I'm still going to wait for other odds yet, it will be juicier than the ML odds although it is very good already. Nevertheless, as gamblers, we will go and look for a better odds.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

Maybe as we get to the fight date itself there could be slight odds and we might see Estrada be the favourite in this fight.

But I'm not going to be surprised because he has won the second fight.

I'm still going to wait for other odds yet, it will be juicier than the ML odds although it is very good already. Nevertheless, as gamblers, we will go and look for a better odds.

We will see, but I have to agree that Estrada might pull off as a slight favorite on the strength of the result of the rubber match. And looking as most comments here, they are on the Estrada's bandwagon for now. Unless Chocolatito shows up and bring back the time and give Estrada a good fight that will last the full 12 rounds and might steal the trilogy and get the score 2-1 in their grudge match.

[Jating]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

Maybe as we get to the fight date itself there could be slight odds and we might see Estrada be the favourite in this fight.

But I'm not going to be surprised because he has won the second fight.

I'm still going to wait for other odds yet, it will be juicier than the ML odds although it is very good already. Nevertheless, as gamblers, we will go and look for a better odds.

We will see, but I have to agree that Estrada might pull off as a slight favorite on the strength of the result of the rubber match. And looking as most comments here, they are on the Estrada's bandwagon for now. Unless Chocolatito shows up and bring back the time and give Estrada a good fight that will last the full 12 rounds and might steal the trilogy and get the score 2-1 in their grudge match.

Still some time for Gonzalez to train very hard for this trilogy. I still think he can pull and win here but maybe his biggest opponent right now is father time. He has been in so many wars including the two fights he had with Estrada so only time can tell if he can give us 100% in this fight or he really is out and way past his prime year in fighting. And he is just after the money before he retires.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

Maybe as we get to the fight date itself there could be slight odds and we might see Estrada be the favourite in this fight.

But I'm not going to be surprised because he has won the second fight.

I'm still going to wait for other odds yet, it will be juicier than the ML odds although it is very good already. Nevertheless, as gamblers, we will go and look for a better odds.

We will see, but I have to agree that Estrada might pull off as a slight favorite on the strength of the result of the rubber match. And looking as most comments here, they are on the Estrada's bandwagon for now. Unless Chocolatito shows up and bring back the time and give Estrada a good fight that will last the full 12 rounds and might steal the trilogy and get the score 2-1 in their grudge match.

Still some time for Gonzalez to train very hard for this trilogy. I still think he can pull and win here but maybe his biggest opponent right now is father time. He has been in so many wars including the two fights he had with Estrada so only time can tell if he can give us 100% in this fight or he really is out and way past his prime year in fighting. And he is just after the money before he retires.

That's one thing that we need to look at Chocolatito in the early rounds. If we see that he can't pull the trigger and somewhat hesitant to fight then obviously he is no longer the same fighter. But if he continues to bang Estrada then maybe he still have some in his tank.

Checking on the odds, there is still no movement, the same odds: 50/50.

[Kemarit]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

Perhaps it's too early, but what surprises me is that sport bookies has open up the line as early as January and the fight is like 2 months from now.

Maybe as we get to the fight date itself there could be slight odds and we might see Estrada be the favourite in this fight.

But I'm not going to be surprised because he has won the second fight.

I'm still going to wait for other odds yet, it will be juicier than the ML odds although it is very good already. Nevertheless, as gamblers, we will go and look for a better odds.

Estrada might be the slight favorite, but Gonzalez will fight like a madman here because he wanted to get back the respect and honor. It was a big fight for his country and when he lose, it was a big letdown for them. So for sure, he will come back and avenge his lost to Estrada.

[bisdak40]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

I'm curious on the betting odds and check if it is still the same but surprised to see that on my online bookies, Roman Gonzales have a new opponent and it is Julio Cesar Martinez.

After some research, i did know that Martinez is just replacing Estrada because the latter was tested positive for Covid and have to shut down their training camp, damn covid hehe.

Gonzales 1.61, Martinez 2.18, not bad at all.

@Baofeng, maybe you can change the title of this thread bro.

 

[24Kt]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

Perhaps it's too early, but what surprises me is that sport bookies has open up the line as early as January and the fight is like 2 months from now.

Maybe as we get to the fight date itself there could be slight odds and we might see Estrada be the favourite in this fight.

But I'm not going to be surprised because he has won the second fight.

I'm still going to wait for other odds yet, it will be juicier than the ML odds although it is very good already. Nevertheless, as gamblers, we will go and look for a better odds.

Estrada might be the slight favorite, but Gonzalez will fight like a madman here because he wanted to get back the respect and honor. It was a big fight for his country and when he lose, it was a big letdown for them. So for sure, he will come back and avenge his lost to Estrada.

Whereas, some immediate fights are not yet listed on sportsbooks. Maybe, the match has good following from boxing fans. However, another replacement scenario here owed to covid. I guess, we should always prepare ourselves for this kind of last minute change in line-up because we are still in this pandemic era. As Martinez is going up to this division, it is understandable that he is the underdog on this fight. But the fire burning in him will be his weapon inside the ring. Can a boxer with 6 yrs experience as pro beat those 16 yrs of Chocolatito?

[Kemarit]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

I'm curious on the betting odds and check if it is still the same but surprised to see that on my online bookies, Roman Gonzales have a new opponent and it is Julio Cesar Martinez.

After some research, i did know that Martinez is just replacing Estrada because the latter was tested positive for Covid and have to shut down their training camp, damn covid hehe.

Gonzales 1.61, Martinez 2.18, not bad at all.

Right, after checking the status of the fight, Estrada withdraw because of Covid-19 effects, his trainer sort of says that he is not 100% in training so they have to pull him out.

(https://www.espn.com.mx/boxeo/nota/_/id/9820113/juan-francisco-gallo-estrada-suspenso-combate-chocolatito-gonzalez)

The article is in Spanish but you can used Google translate:

The physical condition of 'Gallo' Estrada is not in optimal conditions and that would prevent his fight against Román 'Chocolatito' González from being canceled
The long-awaited third battle between world multi-champions Juan Francisco 'Gallo' Estrada and Román 'Chocolatito' González , scheduled for March 5 in San Diego, California, would be put on hold for that date because the Mexican idol has had some discomfort and he has not been able to train 100 percent for a fight of this caliber.

[Dave1]

^^ Just sad to see the Estrada can't make it to this epic trilogy, but you can't blame his people for not allowing him to fight. Because they could make an excuse if they losses the 3rd fight and says that the lingering effect of Covid-19 is still on Estrada's system that's why the sluggish performance.

In any case Martinez is a good replacement, very hungry to be the first person to knock out Chocolatito. So we will see if he can do it.

[TravelMug]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

[yazher]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

Looks like he will put everything here just before the unification fight because if he loses, there will be no unification bout. Maybe they are pretty confident about their conditioning when moving up to higher weight division because most of the time, boxers will gain some power and perfect conditioning can also increase their speed. Most of the unexpected or devastating loss was from a boxer who moved down from their usual weight division. Martinez is completely fine here no problem about that.

[Jawhead999]

It's really sad to the trilogy wouldn't happen, it should be an interesting and close fight. But Martinez replaced Estrada isn't bad too, he have a lot potential even lack of experiences. I love watching Martinez replays, he's very brave and good toe to toe box... similar like the second fight between Estrada vs Gonzalez. I guess he doesn't have a lot choices to fight in this division, so he accept to fight with Gonzalez rather than cherry pick.

[Saisher]

^^ Just sad to see the Estrada can't make it to this epic trilogy, but you can't blame his people for not allowing him to fight. Because they could make an excuse if they losses the 3rd fight and says that the lingering effect of Covid-19 is still on Estrada's system that's why the sluggish performance.

In any case Martinez is a good replacement, very hungry to be the first person to knock out Chocolatito. So we will see if he can do it.

Thye have done the right decision pulling him out he is fighting a good rival and this is a trilogy they want both fighters to be 100% in top condition, but I want them to have to finish the trilogy before they retire so they can settle the score and not let the fight hanging on who is the better fighter, there's a chance that we can see the trilogy before the end of this year.

[asus09]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

Maybe as we get to the fight date itself there could be slight odds and we might see Estrada be the favourite in this fight.

But I'm not going to be surprised because he has won the second fight.

I'm still going to wait for other odds yet, it will be juicier than the ML odds although it is very good already. Nevertheless, as gamblers, we will go and look for a better odds.

The duel fight between Estrada and Gonzales is predicted to take place in March, in fact these two boxers have met twice, the first meeting was on November 17, won by Gonzales, in the second meeting last year Grada won a points victory, Estrada is a boxer from Mexico who making his professional debut in 2008, Gonzales himself comes from nicaragua, who started his career in 2005, it is certain that this will probably be their last fight,

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

And so far there are no swing bets yet so the odds remain 1.85 for both.

Maybe as we get to the fight date itself there could be slight odds and we might see Estrada be the favourite in this fight.

But I'm not going to be surprised because he has won the second fight.

I'm still going to wait for other odds yet, it will be juicier than the ML odds although it is very good already. Nevertheless, as gamblers, we will go and look for a better odds.

The duel fight between Estrada and Gonzales is predicted to take place in March, in fact these two boxers have met twice, the first meeting was on November 17, won by Gonzales, in the second meeting last year Grada won a points victory, Estrada is a boxer from Mexico who making his professional debut in 2008, Gonzales himself comes from nicaragua, who started his career in 2005, it is certain that this will probably be their last fight,

Lol, kindly read what the others have been discussing because Estrada is no longer available and he will be replace by Martinez already. So your post doesn't make any sense at all.

Props for Martinez for accepting the fight in just a short notice, although he still has some time to prepare for it. He may just have to add some few more pounds to make the weight unless it will be a catch weight. I also do not think that he is capable of knocking Gonzales in this fight. Chocolatito is still good despite his age and his experience is the big difference here.

[Yaunfitda]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

[robelneo]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

[btc_angela]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

Gonzalez have seen it all, so I don't think that because he will be facing Martinez he will be underestimating him. On the contrary, he might really train hard for this fight because he doesn't want to get upset by someone. And if Martinez wins then probably we will not see the trilogy anymore as Gonzalez might retire for good.

[Vaculin]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

Gonzalez have seen it all, so I don't think that because he will be facing Martinez he will be underestimating him. On the contrary, he might really train hard for this fight because he doesn't want to get upset by someone. And if Martinez wins then probably we will not see the trilogy anymore as Gonzalez might retire for good.

He will have to bounce back, however, I don't think we are talking of upset here or whatsoever as both have won 1 apiece against each other, so whoever wins this is the better fighter and I think it will go on a split decision again.

[Hypnosis00]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

Gonzalez have seen it all, so I don't think that because he will be facing Martinez he will be underestimating him. On the contrary, he might really train hard for this fight because he doesn't want to get upset by someone. And if Martinez wins then probably we will not see the trilogy anymore as Gonzalez might retire for good.

He will have to bounce back, however, I don't think we are talking of upset here or whatsoever as both have won 1 apiece against each other, so whoever wins this is the better fighter and I think it will go on a split decision again.

The betting odds are already out, and according to - https://bettinginsiderjournal.com/boxing/juan-francisco-estrada-vs-roman-gonzalez-3-odds/, they are even on betting odds or they have an equal chance of winning.

Estrada vs Gonzalez 3 Odds
Boxer   Odds
Juan Francisco Estrada   -110
Roman Gonzalez   -110

Therefore upset does not exist.

[LUCKMCFLY]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

Gonzalez have seen it all, so I don't think that because he will be facing Martinez he will be underestimating him. On the contrary, he might really train hard for this fight because he doesn't want to get upset by someone. And if Martinez wins then probably we will not see the trilogy anymore as Gonzalez might retire for good.

The truth is that Gonzalez would be a shame if he retired from Boxing, as you say, if those events happen, there is no possibility that this trilogy could happen? there are many events that have happened this year in boxing, Tyson not fighting, the problem that occurred with some boxers, the long-awaited GGG vs Murata fight, the problem with Myweather with the money that was not paid to his opponent, I see that many things have escaped the boxing federation worldwide, and I think that the pandemic has a lot to do with this.

[Yamifoud]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

Gonzalez have seen it all, so I don't think that because he will be facing Martinez he will be underestimating him. On the contrary, he might really train hard for this fight because he doesn't want to get upset by someone. And if Martinez wins then probably we will not see the trilogy anymore as Gonzalez might retire for good.

The truth is that Gonzalez would be a shame if he retired from Boxing, as you say, if those events happen, there is no possibility that this trilogy could happen? there are many events that have happened this year in boxing, Tyson not fighting, the problem that occurred with some boxers, the long-awaited GGG vs Murata fight, the problem with Myweather with the money that was not paid to his opponent, I see that many things have escaped the boxing federation worldwide, and I think that the pandemic has a lot to do with this.

Pandemic is one of the factors that affected the profitability of the fight, but as the crowd is already allowed to watch the boxing fight, the boxing entertainment industry will be able to recover and the opportunity to make a big bucks is going to be present again, timing is very important as of course no promoter would promote a fight if they will not make money from their investment.

[Yaunfitda]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

Yeah, but this circumstance are rare though, and in the Pacquiao vs Ugas fight, it was just weeks before the fight that Manny knows that Ugas will be the one fighting him, so he didn't adjust his training. But in this case, Estrada's replacement is known to Gonzalez so he has ample time to re-adjust his training and can shift it to Martinez style.

[Ziskinberg]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

Yeah, but this circumstance are rare though, and in the Pacquiao vs Ugas fight, it was just weeks before the fight that Manny knows that Ugas will be the one fighting him, so he didn't adjust his training. But in this case, Estrada's replacement is known to Gonzalez so he has ample time to re-adjust his training and can shift it to Martinez style.

That wasn't his excuse when interviewed after the fight, the excuse was he got a foot cramp that's why he cannot move a lot and it was taken advantage of by Ugas. Well, maybe the sudden change of opponent could also be another factor that resulted in the loss of one fighter, but it's not really the main factor in the case of Pacman.

[agustina2]

Pandemic is one of the factors that affected the profitability of the fight, but as the crowd is already allowed to watch the boxing fight, the boxing entertainment industry will be able to recover and the opportunity to make a big bucks is going to be present again, timing is very important as of course no promoter would promote a fight if they will not make money from their investment.

We just have to live with it since there's no other choice. The good thing that will happen this year is, we have lots of lineup of good fights at any weight class. More bets, more entertainment, and we will see our favorite boxer now on the ring.

We hope for no more delays, cancellations,s, and suspensions this year.

The bout between Gonzalez vs Martines is one of the boxing events that need to push through.

[Kemarit]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

Gonzalez have seen it all, so I don't think that because he will be facing Martinez he will be underestimating him. On the contrary, he might really train hard for this fight because he doesn't want to get upset by someone. And if Martinez wins then probably we will not see the trilogy anymore as Gonzalez might retire for good.

The truth is that Gonzalez would be a shame if he retired from Boxing, as you say, if those events happen, there is no possibility that this trilogy could happen? there are many events that have happened this year in boxing, Tyson not fighting, the problem that occurred with some boxers, the long-awaited GGG vs Murata fight, the problem with Myweather with the money that was not paid to his opponent, I see that many things have escaped the boxing federation worldwide, and I think that the pandemic has a lot to do with this.

Pandemic is one of the factors that affected the profitability of the fight, but as the crowd is already allowed to watch the boxing fight, the boxing entertainment industry will be able to recover and the opportunity to make a big bucks is going to be present again, timing is very important as of course no promoter would promote a fight if they will not make money from their investment.

Not just profitability of boxing events, but even the boxers themselves are being affected by covid-19 like  Estrada, that's why his training is so poor because of his health that his trainer says no to a trilogy.

And we have seen fighters coming back from the covid-19 and then lost the fight. Maybe it has really affected them physically. But yeah, we should move on and just survived this pandemic.

[ipanks]

Pandemic is one of the factors that affected the profitability of the fight, but as the crowd is already allowed to watch the boxing fight, the boxing entertainment industry will be able to recover and the opportunity to make a big bucks is going to be present again, timing is very important as of course no promoter would promote a fight if they will not make money from their investment.

We just have to live with it since there's no other choice. The good thing that will happen this year is, we have lots of lineup of good fights at any weight class. More bets, more entertainment, and we will see our favorite boxer now on the ring.

We hope for no more delays, cancellations,s, and suspensions this year.

The bout between Gonzalez vs Martines is one of the boxing events that need to push through.

In some countries, they allow the fight with the audience, but in other countries, that still does not allow the pandemic again with the new variant. But yes, I agree that boxing fights can recover and make money again like before, especially if they can get many promotions from the media. The boxing fight news between Gonzalez vs Martines should be everywhere to take attention from people so they will see that the boxing fight is trying to rise from the pandemic. And with many promotions for that fights, it will get that attention.

[Viscore]

Pandemic is one of the factors that affected the profitability of the fight, but as the crowd is already allowed to watch the boxing fight, the boxing entertainment industry will be able to recover and the opportunity to make a big bucks is going to be present again, timing is very important as of course no promoter would promote a fight if they will not make money from their investment.

We just have to live with it since there's no other choice. The good thing that will happen this year is, we have lots of lineup of good fights at any weight class. More bets, more entertainment, and we will see our favorite boxer now on the ring.

We hope for no more delays, cancellations,s, and suspensions this year.

The bout between Gonzalez vs Martines is one of the boxing events that need to push through.

In some countries, they allow the fight with the audience, but in other countries, that still does not allow the pandemic again with the new variant. But yes, I agree that boxing fights can recover and make money again like before, especially if they can get many promotions from the media. The boxing fight news between Gonzalez vs Martines should be everywhere to take attention from people so they will see that the boxing fight is trying to rise from the pandemic. And with many promotions for that fights, it will get that attention.

There are always a lot of options to sell the fight, if the audience is not allowed, they can be aggressive in their marketing in selling the PPV subscription. I'm sure the promoters will make money from this fight as it's a big fight, an entertaining one, so it will guarantee that the fans will not be bored watching it.

This fight was supposed to be the Gonzalez vs Estrada trilogy, but I believe this is still a good fight although Martinez is just a replacement.

[Yaunfitda]

The thing is that Martinez is moving up in weight, so the question is, can he bring his power to this division? I highly doubt it so I'm not seeing him knocking out Gonzalez even if he is old and could be out of prime. Martinez just grab this fight because it's a perfect opportunity for him, but it could backfire if he losses this one. And if he losses the fight, what will happen to his unification fight with Sunny Edwards? Big gamble on his part for accepting it, but we will see.

I guess has you have said, the opportunity is there so why not grab it and see how it goes for him?
He seems to be too confident if he says he can knock out Gonzalez because no one has yet beaten him by knockout. So I don't think that Martinez has something specially in him that he can just do it to the great Gonzalez. On the contrary, he could be the one getting knock out here for all we know.

There are some circumstances where the replacement dominated the favorite one of this is the Ugas - Pacquiao, Ugas the replacement beat Pacquiao by unanimous decision, and everyone was caught by surprised, Gonzalez should not underestimate Martinez he still has time to adapt his strategy to Martinez style, if Gonzalez plays it right he can beat Martinez and we can have the trilogy in the future.

Yeah, but this circumstance are rare though, and in the Pacquiao vs Ugas fight, it was just weeks before the fight that Manny knows that Ugas will be the one fighting him, so he didn't adjust his training. But in this case, Estrada's replacement is known to Gonzalez so he has ample time to re-adjust his training and can shift it to Martinez style.

That wasn't his excuse when interviewed after the fight, the excuse was he got a foot cramp that's why he cannot move a lot and it was taken advantage of by Ugas. Well, maybe the sudden change of opponent could also be another factor that resulted in the loss of one fighter, but it's not really the main factor in the case of Pacman.

It could be, but I have a feeling that Pacquiao can't adapt to the style of Ugas early on their fight and that's why the cramps sets in.

Anyway, since we've seen a upset in the Ancajas fight, I was just thinking that it can happen to Estrada as well. The chances though are very slim because he has been in boxing for many years and have the experience to overcome if he has problems early with Martinez style here.

If anyone though is interested on the fight: https://www.ticketsmarter.com/4990959/matchroom-boxing-martinez-vs-chocolatito-iii

[usekevin]

Boxing was the most liked sports among the people.Many gambling on this game was a common one.No country can find the hidden gambling on this game.My favorite one was Gonzalez,as the name mentioned.He was unique style too.I am gonna make my beds on the Gonzalez and gonna do a multiple beds to get huge money from my bedding.Good luck for the people bedding on Estrada.

[gagux123]

Pandemic is one of the factors that affected the profitability of the fight, but as the crowd is already allowed to watch the boxing fight, the boxing entertainment industry will be able to recover and the opportunity to make a big bucks is going to be present again, timing is very important as of course no promoter would promote a fight if they will not make money from their investment.

We just have to live with it since there's no other choice. The good thing that will happen this year is, we have lots of lineup of good fights at any weight class. More bets, more entertainment, and we will see our favorite boxer now on the ring.

We hope for no more delays, cancellations,s, and suspensions this year.

The bout between Gonzalez vs Martines is one of the boxing events that need to push through.

In some countries, they allow the fight with the audience, but in other countries, that still does not allow the pandemic again with the new variant. But yes, I agree that boxing fights can recover and make money again like before, especially if they can get many promotions from the media. The boxing fight news between Gonzalez vs Martines should be everywhere to take attention from people so they will see that the boxing fight is trying to rise from the pandemic. And with many promotions for that fights, it will get that attention.

wow, is it true that in some countries they allow fights with the public? I imagined that everything would be stopped because of the pandemic.
Anyway, is there an exact date for the Gonzalez vs. Martines fight?
Even though I'm not a big boxing fan, I would love to see this fight!

[goinmerry]

wow, is it true that in some countries they allow fights with the public? I imagined that everything would be stopped because of the pandemic.
Anyway, is there an exact date for the Gonzalez vs. Martines fight?
Even though I'm not a big boxing fan, I would love to see this fight!

Yes, it's already allowed. Although limited capacity.

What's more to the current status today where the pandemic is now closely being controlled and public events are now seeing coming back at several countries.

It will be on March 5, a few days from now, if I'm not mistaken.

[gagux123]

Yes, it's already allowed. Although limited capacity.

What's more to the current status today where the pandemic is now closely being controlled and public events are now seeing coming back at several countries.

It will be on March 5, a few days from now, if I'm not mistaken.

Hmm, interesting... Thanks for answering my questions @goinmerry

I believe that this will be the trend, gradually things will return to normal and events (in general) will be able to work again at their full capacity!!

[Kemarit]

Yes, it's already allowed. Although limited capacity.

What's more to the current status today where the pandemic is now closely being controlled and public events are now seeing coming back at several countries.

It will be on March 5, a few days from now, if I'm not mistaken.

Hmm, interesting... Thanks for answering my questions @goinmerry

I believe that this will be the trend, gradually things will return to normal and events (in general) will be able to work again at their full capacity!!

Even countries are also easing their no entry policy, but I'm speculating that the "no vax, no entry" is in full effect.

So this will obviously the trend now, and boxing events that have been postponed like the Murata vs GGG might be rescheduled in Japan. There are news that it will like to happen in April. So for sure this fight will have a live gate attendance.

Gonzalez at 1.68 ML as compare to Martinez at 2.15. At least the odds are close.

[gagux123]

Even countries are also easing their no entry policy, but I'm speculating that the "no vax, no entry" is in full effect.

So this will obviously the trend now, and boxing events that have been postponed like the Murata vs GGG might be rescheduled in Japan. There are news that it will like to happen in April. So for sure this fight will have a live gate attendance.

Gonzalez at 1.68 ML as compare to Martinez at 2.15. At least the odds are close.

Hmm, what good news! I believe that little by little we are going back to normal.
And regarding COVID-19 restrictions, it varies from country to country, as each of them has their own rules and laws.

Where I live things are normal (for now), we have several cases of COVID-19 and deaths too.
But this "wave" that we are having now, is not very significant at least in the country where I live.

[carlisle1]

Yes, it's already allowed. Although limited capacity.

What's more to the current status today where the pandemic is now closely being controlled and public events are now seeing coming back at several countries.

It will be on March 5, a few days from now, if I'm not mistaken.

Hmm, interesting... Thanks for answering my questions @goinmerry

I believe that this will be the trend, gradually things will return to normal and events (in general) will be able to work again at their full capacity!!

Slowly bringing the level down and hopefully we will be able to see full capacities in any sports event that will be offered to the fans,

The fight is almost coming and it will be an opportunity for bettors to place a good amount of bets. Gonzales ML is decent if you

are fan of him. Not that huge far from the ML for Martinez, he gets bookies favor let see if what will be the outcome of this fight.

[jhonjhon]

Ok, so another fight that we all have been waiting for. As confirmed by Eddie Hearn, there will be a third match between these 2 great super flyweights. This year, it was a classic back and forth war, but Estrada edging Chocolatito by split decision. So now it's 1-1. They will have to settle in the upcoming trilogy as to who is the best.



https://www.boxingscene.com/juan-francisco-estrada-vs-roman-chocolatito-gonzalez-trilogy-slated-oct-16-usa--158783

At this point I can't make up my mind, I wanted to see Chocolatito win by Estrada's volume punching can sway the judge in his favour in close rounds.

@bisdak40 - bro, what's you call on this? I know that you are a big fan of Chocolatito, hehehe

I have no idea who's gonna win this fight. But I think this will gonna be exciting and probably one of the best fight in 2022. I guess Gonzales will gonna win this fight since he have too much experience in this sport. I am not really sure but this is just my prediction. Well, goodluck for this two fighter. May the best and strongest man win..

[Kemarit]

Even countries are also easing their no entry policy, but I'm speculating that the "no vax, no entry" is in full effect.

So this will obviously the trend now, and boxing events that have been postponed like the Murata vs GGG might be rescheduled in Japan. There are news that it will like to happen in April. So for sure this fight will have a live gate attendance.

Gonzalez at 1.68 ML as compare to Martinez at 2.15. At least the odds are close.

Hmm, what good news! I believe that little by little we are going back to normal.
And regarding COVID-19 restrictions, it varies from country to country, as each of them has their own rules and laws.

Where I live things are normal (for now), we have several cases of COVID-19 and deaths too.
But this "wave" that we are having now, is not very significant at least in the country where I live.

Yes, hopefully in the next couple of months, with almost the majority being vac + booster the case of Covid-19 will go down and there wil be no new variants.

Same here, the alert levels has been put to the lowest level in years, kids are getting vaccinated, ease of travel. So I'm expecting that boxing and other sports that have crowds will be allowed just like before.

[Baofeng]

For those who are interested to hear and see the two fighters in their final press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umG3hY9tBLE

Gonzalez is very happy and excited that the fight will push through and have a good replacement in Martinez because he is unpredictable. While Martinez will have a chance to break into this division with a fight against the legendary fighter.

[Jating]

For those who are interested to hear and see the two fighters in their final press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umG3hY9tBLE

Gonzalez is very happy and excited that the fight will push through and have a good replacement in Martinez because he is unpredictable. While Martinez will have a chance to break into this division with a fight against the legendary fighter.

No trash talking needed here, Gonzalez in his old self here, it seems that he still has the same enthusiasm even though it is not Estrada that he is going to face, but still another durable and tough Mexican as replacement, what can you ask?

Gonzalez though is still the favorite and I think he can win again but Martinez will also bring his A game in this fight. So another war, and hopefully if Gonzalez win, he will just have to wait for Estrada to set up the trilogy.

[Oasisman]

For those who are interested to hear and see the two fighters in their final press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umG3hY9tBLE

Gonzalez is very happy and excited that the fight will push through and have a good replacement in Martinez because he is unpredictable. While Martinez will have a chance to break into this division with a fight against the legendary fighter.

No trash talking needed here, Gonzalez in his old self here, it seems that he still has the same enthusiasm even though it is not Estrada that he is going to face, but still another durable and tough Mexican as replacement, what can you ask?

Gonzalez though is still the favorite and I think he can win again but Martinez will also bring his A game in this fight. So another war, and hopefully if Gonzalez win, he will just have to wait for Estrada to set up the trilogy.

Nothing will stop the trilogy anyway, as Gonzalez is expected to win this fight.
But for sure this will going to be an exciting match anyway, the very reason why the tickets they have refunded from the Estrada fight was being sold again after Martinez replaced him.
Martinez might not wanna keep himself open all the time as Roman also has speed and power, Martinez ain't that good at defending himself . This is one of the main reason why Gonzalez is heavily favoured in this fight.

[poldanmig]

For those who are interested to hear and see the two fighters in their final press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umG3hY9tBLE

Gonzalez is very happy and excited that the fight will push through and have a good replacement in Martinez because he is unpredictable. While Martinez will have a chance to break into this division with a fight against the legendary fighter.

Martinez who is Estrada substitute opponent, is likely to use this fight as a shortcut to further improve his career, even though he is still young, Martinez is a boxer who is quite talented and of course Gonzales cannot underestimate him.
I think this age gap fight will be an amazing fight and I think I will enjoy the fight.

[gagux123]

Slowly bringing the level down and hopefully we will be able to see full capacities in any sports event that will be offered to the fans,

The fight is almost coming and it will be an opportunity for bettors to place a good amount of bets. Gonzales ML is decent if you

are fan of him. Not that huge far from the ML for Martinez, he gets bookies favor let see if what will be the outcome of this fight.

Absolutely! I believe that as soon as possible we will take a normal life in relation to COVID (of course it will not be like before the pandemic), but I believe that we will return to normality soon.

Yes, although I don't have knowledge about boxing, I find it interesting to watch these types of events, and maybe even gambling sometimes, at least for fun.

[coin-investor]

For those who are interested to hear and see the two fighters in their final press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umG3hY9tBLE

Gonzalez is very happy and excited that the fight will push through and have a good replacement in Martinez because he is unpredictable. While Martinez will have a chance to break into this division with a fight against the legendary fighter.

Martinez who is Estrada substitute opponent, is likely to use this fight as a shortcut to further improve his career, even though he is still young, Martinez is a boxer who is quite talented and of course Gonzales cannot underestimate him.
I think this age gap fight will be an amazing fight and I think I will enjoy the fight.

I have seen many fights where the substitute eventually win the bout, the lastest one I've known was Ugas, and over twenty years ago started his great career in Las Vegas because he was a substitute and take the fight on a 7 day's notice and that's Manny Pacquiao, Martinez can pull a big surprise in this fight, let's see what Martinez is going to bring in this fight against the old warrior Gonzalez.

[bisdak40]

I have seen many fights where the substitute eventually win the bout, the lastest one I've known was Ugas, and over twenty years ago started his great career in Las Vegas because he was a substitute and take the fight on a 7 day's notice and that's Manny Pacquiao, Martinez can pull a big surprise in this fight, let's see what Martinez is going to bring in this fight against the old warrior Gonzalez.

Well, i'm also thinking of this substitution dellima as we have noticed that recently a substitute fighter won a fight like Ugas but knowing how important this fight to Roman Gonzales, i think he will treat Martinez as real threat and not a replacement fighter.



Roman Gonzales should win this one if he want to take his revenge on Estrada but i think knock-out Martinez is hard so i'll go for Gonzales via decision.

[yazher]

I have seen many fights where the substitute eventually win the bout, the lastest one I've known was Ugas, and over twenty years ago started his great career in Las Vegas because he was a substitute and take the fight on a 7 day's notice and that's Manny Pacquiao, Martinez can pull a big surprise in this fight, let's see what Martinez is going to bring in this fight against the old warrior Gonzalez.

This would be an awesome fight since Gonzalez saw the outcome of Manny Pacquiao vs Ugas's fight where he was beaten easily because he doesn't know how to counter him no matter what he does. This fight is tricky and Gonzales should act quickly if he sees something different because such a fight like this has already been prepared by the substitutes and He is pretty confident to turn the table and beat his thoughtless opponent.

[Baofeng]

Final weigh-in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NThZi0BAR4

Initially Martinez didn't make the weight and the fight could have been jeopardize.

As per report, he was fine 20% of his purse for not making the weight limit for this class. But the fight will going to resume .

[bisdak40]

Houston we've got a problem lol.

Chocolatito Gonzalez vs Julio Cesar Martinez update: Martinez misses weight, fight depends on Saturday morning weigh-in

Can't believe how Martinez missed the weight as I think this would be an easy task for him as he is campaigning for the 112lbs division for a long time. He is on a risk of being KOed here if the team decide to drain him, let's see in a few hours how they will handle this one.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/3/4/22961998/chocolatito-vs-martinez-update-misses-weight-fight-depends-saturday-weigh-in-boxing-news-2022

[Jating]

Did just he intentionally missed the weight to take advantage?

This guy has been campaigning below the desired weight for this class isn't it? So I don't understand the logic of him and his team to move up in weight and this missed it by more than 10%? Hmmm, something is not right is this fight. And this is some disrespect on their fight to come above the weight limit but the good thing is that he is paying it base on their contracts.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

And it seems that Gonzalez is not relax in the face-off? He used to be very cool in this kind of situation specially high caliber fights, maybe he will want to end this fight early and looking for the Estrada trilogy.

Of course, it could be that Martinez wanted to bring his power to this weight class but not making the weight against a legendary fighter like Gonzalez, yeah that is disrespectful. So there is no belt in line since Martinez is way above the limit. Nevertheless it's a shit belt in my opinion, the real holder is still Estrada.

[Jawhead999]

Martinez is really arrogant, Gonzalez need to teach him a lesson for not disrespecting his opponent. I don't know why Martinez being like that, while in bookie he's a underdog... which many people doesn't expect him winning this fight. Gonzalez can fight last for 12 rounds and have good defensive style, he's not like common opponents that can easily got KO'ed. I think bet on Gonzalez via KO is a good move.

[jhonjhon]

Congratulations for the both fighters. It is such a great fight. Gonzales made it to the top.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boxingscene.com/amp/chocolatito-julio-cesar-martinez-masterclass-decision-results--164583

Chocolatito Drops Bombs on Julio Cesar Martinez in Masterclass Decision Win

SAN DIEGO – Roman ‘Chocolatito’ Gonzalez isn’t even close to being done at the top level.

A world class performance in a career filled with many saw Nicaragua’s Gonzalez dominate Julio Cesar Martinez en route to a twelve-round, unanimous decision victory Saturday evening at Pechanga Arena in San Diego, California. Scores were 118-110, 117-111, 116-112 in favor of Gonzalez, the former four-division champion and one-time pound king who is eager to return to the championship picture after a masterclass performance in the DAZN main event.

[Kemarit]

Congratulations for the both fighters. It is such a great fight. Gonzales made it to the top.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boxingscene.com/amp/chocolatito-julio-cesar-martinez-masterclass-decision-results--164583

Chocolatito Drops Bombs on Julio Cesar Martinez in Masterclass Decision Win

SAN DIEGO – Roman ‘Chocolatito’ Gonzalez isn’t even close to being done at the top level.

A world class performance in a career filled with many saw Nicaragua’s Gonzalez dominate Julio Cesar Martinez en route to a twelve-round, unanimous decision victory Saturday evening at Pechanga Arena in San Diego, California. Scores were 118-110, 117-111, 116-112 in favor of Gonzalez, the former four-division champion and one-time pound king who is eager to return to the championship picture after a masterclass performance in the DAZN main event.

Wow, I forgot about this fight, so it seems that Martinez is really no match for Gonzalez and for sure with this win, the trilogy fight with Estrada is still on. Hopefully Estrada can recover from the effects of Covid so that him and Gonzalez can settle their final fight. I may have to look for YT videos in order to watch some highlights of the fight.

[bisdak40]

Wow, I forgot about this fight, so it seems that Martinez is really no match for Gonzalez and for sure with this win, the trilogy fight with Estrada is still on. Hopefully Estrada can recover from the effects of Covid so that him and Gonzalez can settle their final fight. I may have to look for YT videos in order to watch some highlights of the fight.

What a masterclass performance by Chocolalito, seems like Martinez was the older fighter of the two  .

Though he lost, we should also thank Martinez for taking the fight even on short notice and that may be the reason why he didn't get the required weight because he don't have the luxury of time to train.

The trilogy must go on and with the pandemic almost over i think everything will be back to normal and Estrada already have recovered by that time of all the effects of covid on his body so no alibi if Gonzales would beat him.

[freedomgo]

Wow, I forgot about this fight, so it seems that Martinez is really no match for Gonzalez and for sure with this win, the trilogy fight with Estrada is still on. Hopefully Estrada can recover from the effects of Covid so that him and Gonzalez can settle their final fight. I may have to look for YT videos in order to watch some highlights of the fight.

What a masterclass performance by Chocolalito, seems like Martinez was the older fighter of the two  .

Though he lost, we should also thank Martinez for taking the fight even on short notice and that may be the reason why he didn't get the required weight because he don't have the luxury of time to train.

The trilogy must go on and with the pandemic almost over i think everything will be back to normal and Estrada already have recovered by that time of all the effects of covid on his body so no alibi if Gonzales would beat him.

Cogratulations @bisdak40  on that win, that was a pretty odds. Martinez had a strong chin but Gonzalez was really dominating him in the fight, his boxing skills are killing Gonzales but is not backing down, overall it's a great fight and better more because you also win.

[judeafante]

What a masterclass performance by Chocolalito, seems like Martinez was the older fighter of the two  .

Martinez lost his legs going into the tenth round he just wants to finish the fight while Gonzalez just keeps moving forward, there's no hint of old age on Gonzales, not the fight that we expected we all thought it was going to be a close fight but it's not, the match against Estrada is still on and we'll wait for the announcement of that fight because in the first place it's the fight we expect.

[erep]

Martinez lost his legs going into the tenth round he just wants to finish the fight while Gonzalez just keeps moving forward, there's no hint of old age on Gonzales, not the fight that we expected we all thought it was going to be a close fight but it's not, the match against Estrada is still on and we'll wait for the announcement of that fight because in the first place it's the fight we expect.

Martinez made several counter-attacks before entering the 10th round but that all changed when Gonzalez took the lead with a hard punch to the face. I don't see the age difference in this match, but Gonzalez took the lead from all rounds with heavy blows to the face and body for an absolute win. Congratulations to Gonzalez.

[btc_angela]

What a masterclass performance by Chocolalito, seems like Martinez was the older fighter of the two  .

Martinez lost his legs going into the tenth round he just wants to finish the fight while Gonzalez just keeps moving forward, there's no hint of old age on Gonzales, not the fight that we expected we all thought it was going to be a close fight but it's not, the match against Estrada is still on and we'll wait for the announcement of that fight because in the first place it's the fight we expect.

I think it was due to the early attacks of Gonzalez in the body, in like rounds 1-3.
It really took a toll on Martinez as there was no more legs in the championship round. And of course, the experience of Gonzalez help him as well. He just took the rounds early and try to test Martinez chin and body and then they go toe to toe and he can take Martinez left hook.

[Viscore]

What a masterclass performance by Chocolalito, seems like Martinez was the older fighter of the two  .

Martinez lost his legs going into the tenth round he just wants to finish the fight while Gonzalez just keeps moving forward, there's no hint of old age on Gonzales, not the fight that we expected we all thought it was going to be a close fight but it's not, the match against Estrada is still on and we'll wait for the announcement of that fight because in the first place it's the fight we expect.

I think it was due to the early attacks of Gonzalez in the body, in like rounds 1-3.
It really took a toll on Martinez as there was no more legs in the championship round. And of course, the experience of Gonzalez help him as well. He just took the rounds early and try to test Martinez chin and body and then they go toe to toe and he can take Martinez left hook.

Gonzales showed the young opponent how good he is and how his experience help him to be a better boxer. Gonzales may be the older fighter but he is not old at 34 years old, I'm pretty sure there's are still more fights coming for him, and maybe we will again see a fight with Juan Francisco Estrada to avenge his defeat.

[robelneo]

Martinez lost his legs going into the tenth round he just wants to finish the fight while Gonzalez just keeps moving forward, there's no hint of old age on Gonzales, not the fight that we expected we all thought it was going to be a close fight but it's not, the match against Estrada is still on and we'll wait for the announcement of that fight because in the first place it's the fight we expect.

Martinez made several counter-attacks before entering the 10th round but that all changed when Gonzalez took the lead with a hard punch to the face. I don't see the age difference in this match, but Gonzalez took the lead from all rounds with heavy blows to the face and body for an absolute win. Congratulations to Gonzalez.

There are so many talks about Gonzales age before the fight he's been in this business for so many years he is one of the inspirations that age is just a number as long as you have it you can still fight just like Donaire, I think he is still good for 2 to 3 fights he already created his own legacy, I hope the Estrada fight will be his next, he will be the heavy favorite when the fight happens because of what he has shown on this fight.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Martinez lost his legs going into the tenth round he just wants to finish the fight while Gonzalez just keeps moving forward, there's no hint of old age on Gonzales, not the fight that we expected we all thought it was going to be a close fight but it's not, the match against Estrada is still on and we'll wait for the announcement of that fight because in the first place it's the fight we expect.

Martinez made several counter-attacks before entering the 10th round but that all changed when Gonzalez took the lead with a hard punch to the face. I don't see the age difference in this match, but Gonzalez took the lead from all rounds with heavy blows to the face and body for an absolute win. Congratulations to Gonzalez.

There are so many talks about Gonzales age before the fight he's been in this business for so many years he is one of the inspirations that age is just a number as long as you have it you can still fight just like Donaire, I think he is still good for 2 to 3 fights he already created his own legacy, I hope the Estrada fight will be his next, he will be the heavy favorite when the fight happens because of what he has shown on this fight.

Correct, I didn't see any signs of Gonzalez showing his age in this fight, on the contrary, he looks very young and just like a prime Gonzalez, more motivation to win and become a champion again.

Yup, definitely, the camp of Estrada has seen this fight and would like their boy to fight him next and finish what they have started. It will be a mega-fight and with this performance, I will put Gonzalez the slight favorite before the fight.

[Jating]

What a masterclass performance by Chocolalito, seems like Martinez was the older fighter of the two  .

Martinez lost his legs going into the tenth round he just wants to finish the fight while Gonzalez just keeps moving forward, there's no hint of old age on Gonzales, not the fight that we expected we all thought it was going to be a close fight but it's not, the match against Estrada is still on and we'll wait for the announcement of that fight because in the first place it's the fight we expect.

I think it was due to the early attacks of Gonzalez in the body, in like rounds 1-3.
It really took a toll on Martinez as there was no more legs in the championship round. And of course, the experience of Gonzalez help him as well. He just took the rounds early and try to test Martinez chin and body and then they go toe to toe and he can take Martinez left hook.

Gonzales showed the young opponent how good he is and how his experience help him to be a better boxer. Gonzales may be the older fighter but he is not old at 34 years old, I'm pretty sure there's are still more fights coming for him, and maybe we will again see a fight with Juan Francisco Estrada to avenge his defeat.

Analyst are saying that he is old as per boxing age because he has a lot of wars already, and it could wear him down as he continues to fight. But as what we witnessed, his young opponent is no match for him as he is the aggressive one and even though Martinez has power in both hands, Gonzalez was able to fend it out and he bring the fight to Martinez, engaging him for the whole 12 rounds and have a wide unanimous decision from the judges. Let's see Juan Estrada's response, if he can get healthy and recovered from his bout of Covid, the fight can be made before the end of the year.

[Ziskinberg]

What a masterclass performance by Chocolalito, seems like Martinez was the older fighter of the two  .

Martinez lost his legs going into the tenth round he just wants to finish the fight while Gonzalez just keeps moving forward, there's no hint of old age on Gonzales, not the fight that we expected we all thought it was going to be a close fight but it's not, the match against Estrada is still on and we'll wait for the announcement of that fight because in the first place it's the fight we expect.

I think it was due to the early attacks of Gonzalez in the body, in like rounds 1-3.
It really took a toll on Martinez as there was no more legs in the championship round. And of course, the experience of Gonzalez help him as well. He just took the rounds early and try to test Martinez chin and body and then they go toe to toe and he can take Martinez left hook.

Gonzales showed the young opponent how good he is and how his experience help him to be a better boxer. Gonzales may be the older fighter but he is not old at 34 years old, I'm pretty sure there's are still more fights coming for him, and maybe we will again see a fight with Juan Francisco Estrada to avenge his defeat.

Analyst are saying that he is old as per boxing age because he has a lot of wars already, and it could wear him down as he continues to fight. But as what we witnessed, his young opponent is no match for him as he is the aggressive one and even though Martinez has power in both hands, Gonzalez was able to fend it out and he bring the fight to Martinez, engaging him for the whole 12 rounds and have a wide unanimous decision from the judges. Let's see Juan Estrada's response, if he can get healthy and recovered from his bout of Covid, the fight can be made before the end of the year.

It never wear him down because Martinez is not hitting him with his power shots, Gonzalez was too clever and too skillful in handling the fight, his boxing skills is way better than Martinez and as we can see on the scorecards and their faces after the fight, it's pretty obvious who dominated the fight.

[Jawhead999]

What a play from Gonzalez, he showed a good fight by his experiences. Seems Martinez is mad and play with emotion, he throw many punch to Gonzalez but most of them missed. Gonzalez have really good technical and patient to beat this unrespectful kid. However good job for Martinez can survived for 12 rounds and not getting pressured, he want to counter attack but he's not wisely enough.

[bittraffic]

Gonzales throws more punches and landed. He isnt just playing the numbers game.

Amazing how hard Matinez chin after getting batted several times. Either that or Gonzales' strenght is just too soft for Martinez. While I like watching this kind of fght, it be more impressive to see main event having an obvious champ standing and the other KOed.

[Yaunfitda]

Gonzales throws more punches and landed. He isnt just playing the numbers game.

Amazing how hard Matinez chin after getting batted several times. Either that or Gonzales' strenght is just too soft for Martinez. While I like watching this kind of fght, it be more impressive to see main event having an obvious champ standing and the other KOed.

Mexicans do possesses good chin so I'm not surprised that Martinez was able to take all that Gonzalez throws on him. What surprises me is how Gonzalez can maintain that volume punching all throughout the fight, full 12 rounds and I think they can still go at it for the next rounds. But it the end it was obvious that Gonzalez is the better fighter, sure Martinez can take his punch but he is not scoring on the judges eye.

[Baofeng]

Thanks for all the comments in this thread, as usual, I have to lock this after 24 hours of the fight.

As most of you are hoping, Gonzalez vs Estrada is the fight that we all wanted to see so there is still hope that the fight can be made this year. And congrats to those who won their bet on this fight.