Inoue vs Donaire II discussion

[Shamm]

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Those people who treat age as a factor for Nonito Donaire are not doing their respective homework and just relying everything on the "name impact" and "age". They are not aware that Donaire even much older compared to Inoue, still has that speed, quickness, and Knock Out power.

The reason is, that Donaire is always active doing his routine operation and always has a match, therefore, training is almost part of his entire life and never stopped. That results in his body not adopting the aging effect.

If Donaire will lose for the 2nd time, it's 100% not because of his age but for other reasons.

Certainly! These people are just following the hype in the surroundings and are just automatically siding who is the favorite to win on this fight without digging any further before making some baseless statement like that, I bet they don't even know what Donaire had achieved throughout his whole career.

Since Donaire started doing professional fights in the early 2000's, he's getting 3 to 4 fights per year until he reached the age of 30 where he only fought once or twice a year and then someone say that his age can be a basis? That's funny. Just like when people doubt against GGG's capabilities because of age reasons.

Yes age does matter cause when a boxer getting old and older their movement speed gets slower, but we should not underestimate older boxers cause even they are getting slower but they are also more vigilant and more veteran in fighting they are more strategic in fighting. Like GGG and manny, Pacquiao did when they are fighting against younger opponents,

[btc_angela]

The first fight was really close, and we have to understand as well that it was a tournament, WBSS (World Boxing Super Series), and we have seen the best bantamweight that time and it was Donaire and Inoue. Donaire though fell short and lost, but since then Donaire has won a belt so this clash has more motivation on the side of Nonito to avenge his lost at that tournament and show the world that he is the best bantamweight in this rematch.

Overall it was not close because the result was a unanimous victory by Inoue, it was just that time Inoue was too careless and he was injured, good thing he knows how to handle himself and he adjusted in order to win the fight. I am seeing the same result in the rematch because of Donaire could still not KO Inoue, for sure he will loss again.

I think the chances for Donaire to loss again is high. But we want to see a good fight again, and maybe Donaire learn from it and will try to make adjustment and work very hard on training and give his 100% to upset Inoue. Or if Inoue is really too good at this division and nobody can touch and beat him. And if by chance Inoue wins, then he has only one boxer to face to clean up this division for good.

[goinmerry]

The first fight was really close, and we have to understand as well that it was a tournament, WBSS (World Boxing Super Series), and we have seen the best bantamweight that time and it was Donaire and Inoue. Donaire though fell short and lost, but since then Donaire has won a belt so this clash has more motivation on the side of Nonito to avenge his lost at that tournament and show the world that he is the best bantamweight in this rematch.

Overall it was not close because the result was a unanimous victory by Inoue, it was just that time Inoue was too careless and he was injured, good thing he knows how to handle himself and he adjusted in order to win the fight. I am seeing the same result in the rematch because of Donaire could still not KO Inoue, for sure he will loss again.

Naoya Inoue suffered a fractured orbital bone and also a broken nose in that fight and the only reason is that he is careless? lol.

That's out of context. Those injuries that Inoue suffers are a result of Donaire's strength and strategy. It's not because Inoue is careless as to how is that even possible when he is serious all the time. It's like saying Donaire is just lucky to injure Inoue because of being careless in that fight?

It's like looking down at Inoue's way of defense and putting doubt on Donaire's strength that he can possibly fatally hit the prime monster in that fight.

[blockman]

But the good thing is that both boxers have felt each other's punches and of course they definitely know what they have to do in the next match.

There are a lot of changes but the experience when they've faced each other, it is going to remain. Improvements were made and there's still a game plan for each of them.
Even though they've got an idea on how each of them can read their moves based on their past match. Still, it's possible that changes were made and those moves are just guide.
There's a possibility that surprise winning punch will be thrown which is what I'm expecting for.

Both fighters are intelligent they are thinking fighters and they have great teams behind them, they are going to have new strategies and new training regimens, Donaire will be looking for Inoue's weaknesses while Inoue will maintain his speed and power because these are his best weapon, usually, when two fighters meet again they go where they left off, I don't think this time it will happen.

We'll see.
Both are going to prepare themselves at the best capacity that they can. Usually with rematches, I find it as the better match up and this is going to give each of them the pride to win and put their best for beating the opponent. The mindset has always been the same and for sure that they'll have it show when they face again. Glory and revenge for Donaire is going to be the main attitude of him on this rematch.

[Lanatsa]

The first fight was really close, and we have to understand as well that it was a tournament, WBSS (World Boxing Super Series), and we have seen the best bantamweight that time and it was Donaire and Inoue. Donaire though fell short and lost, but since then Donaire has won a belt so this clash has more motivation on the side of Nonito to avenge his lost at that tournament and show the world that he is the best bantamweight in this rematch.

Overall it was not close because the result was a unanimous victory by Inoue, it was just that time Inoue was too careless and he was injured, good thing he knows how to handle himself and he adjusted in order to win the fight. I am seeing the same result in the rematch because of Donaire could still not KO Inoue, for sure he will loss again.

Naoya Inoue suffered a fractured orbital bone and also a broken nose in that fight and the only reason is that he is careless? lol.

That's out of context. Those injuries that Inoue suffers are a result of Donaire's strength and strategy. It's not because Inoue is careless as to how is that even possible when he is serious all the time. It's like saying Donaire is just lucky to injure Inoue because of being careless in that fight?

It's like looking down at Inoue's way of defense and putting doubt on Donaire's strength that he can possibly fatally hit the prime monster in that fight.

As mentioned on some article that he had already thought that he wont able to knock down Donaire as early as 2nd round which he had made out some adjustments and trying to win via Decision.
He had already suffered that injury in orbital on 2nd round which comes worst on later rounds which he even said that he saw 2 donaires before the fight ended.
which basically shows that Donaire could really still have the chance.
You could read up even more on here: https://www.boxingscene.com/inoue-shivers-thinking-back-broken-orbital-bone-double-vision-versus-donaire--152904

[chaser15]

The first fight was really close, and we have to understand as well that it was a tournament, WBSS (World Boxing Super Series), and we have seen the best bantamweight that time and it was Donaire and Inoue. Donaire though fell short and lost, but since then Donaire has won a belt so this clash has more motivation on the side of Nonito to avenge his lost at that tournament and show the world that he is the best bantamweight in this rematch.

Overall it was not close because the result was a unanimous victory by Inoue, it was just that time Inoue was too careless and he was injured, good thing he knows how to handle himself and he adjusted in order to win the fight. I am seeing the same result in the rematch because of Donaire could still not KO Inoue, for sure he will loss again.

I fully disagree with you here. The first injury of Inoue was in early rounds therefore, he should be at 100% healthy status on that match. Donaire just does his best to connect some good punch at Inoue. It's not that he's careless but Donaire just found a spot where Inoue didn't defend well. But since Inoue is in his prime, he is able to withstand the pain and work his way to bring his A-game in the later part of the fight and win by unanimous decision.

Inoue even called Donaire a Champion after a fight as he truly recognized the strength of that "old boxer".

[harizen]

Yes age does matter cause when a boxer getting old and older their movement speed gets slower, but we should not underestimate older boxers cause even they are getting slower but they are also more vigilant and more veteran in fighting they are more strategic in fighting. Like GGG and manny, Pacquiao did when they are fighting against younger opponents,

You are right about the age but Donaire is still in good shape despite his age. As far as technical analysis is concerned, I doubt age is really a disadvantage on his part against Naoya Inoue. There is no doubt that Naoya Inoue does all the advantages against Nonito Donaire but why does the Filipino Flash even consider the next match for Inoue if he is just nothing but an old boxer that is almost close to retirement?

Honestly, only people here are considering age as a disadvantage for Donaire but you will never see Inoue's side taking that as their advantage as they know more about the capability of Nonito Donaire.

[alpamar99]

There are really boxers which are hard hitter or could really make a tough fighter down and we've seen the history of Inoue on taking down those much bigger opponent than him.No one really expect for this Kiddo
to make some awesome TKO's which it is really just right that he was called a Monster. He's not really that aggressive looking but his punches is no joke and speaking with Donaire he did really survive with those
strong punches but 1 punch did really make him dropped when it was a liver blow even the toughest could not really sustain on the same condition. Donaire would be aware for that one this time.

With his prior experience of Inoue inside the ring, for sure, Donaire has his game plan by now. So it is tempting to bet on Donaire especially if the odds is at 3.75. This may be his last fight before retirement and he is up for the challenge to win before hanging up his gloves. Inoue is the favorite but we can't ignore the last fight of Donaire. Since it will be less than couple of months before the fight, what we can do maybe is to follow their training habits, if they will disclose it. But if not, this fight will be an interesting fight to look forward to in my opinion.

With Donaire's performance in the previous fight I think this will indeed be a pretty good odds but in this case it will be like a random fight in my opinion in odds because both fighters still have a chance to win there. Donaire with his strength and experience and Inoue with his strength and endurance I think it's quite difficult to determine who will win because both fighters are still very good

[LUCKMCFLY]

I don't have a doubt that Donaire is still the strong fighter that we have known since then even if this man is in aged now, what I mean is if we were going to refer to his recent fight against Gaballo we can say that Donaire has still the power in both hands and that will still be shown to his upcoming fight against Inoue for sure. However, this match is a rematch for the two great fighters and this time we can't tell if Inoue will still dominate the fight or it will be a chance for Donaire to win the game.

You are right, for now Donaire has a very good advantage but you have to think that Inoue has a very good technique, on the other hand I like to make an analogy between Donaire and GGG, both are fighters who are believed that due to their age they cannot have the same performance, but a user here in the forum said a comment that is absolutely right, and that is that as long as you stay active in sports you have active muscles and in turn have the experience that everyone would like to have, of course, this is not compared to youth, juventus is another power, but experience, as in everything, is worth it.

[Peanutswar]

I don't have a doubt that Donaire is still the strong fighter that we have known since then even if this man is in aged now, what I mean is if we were going to refer to his recent fight against Gaballo we can say that Donaire has still the power in both hands and that will still be shown to his upcoming fight against Inoue for sure. However, this match is a rematch for the two great fighters and this time we can't tell if Inoue will still dominate the fight or it will be a chance for Donaire to win the game.

You are right, for now Donaire has a very good advantage but you have to think that Inoue has a very good technique, on the other hand I like to make an analogy between Donaire and GGG, both are fighters who are believed that due to their age they cannot have the same performance, but a user here in the forum said a comment that is absolutely right, and that is that as long as you stay active in sports you have active muscles and in turn have the experience that everyone would like to have, of course, this is not compared to youth, juventus is another power, but experience, as in everything, is worth it.

I've been into the boxing world since start of the Era of Manny Pacquiao and many people see the potential in this man after he represents the Philippines the name of Donaire are now continuously shining like the shadow of Manny and now he creates a good image into the world of boxing because of being flashy in the ring he called as the Filipino Flash which he work hard to it's speed and foot work I guess this match would bring a really good match and I vote for Donaire still.

[btc_angela]

I don't have a doubt that Donaire is still the strong fighter that we have known since then even if this man is in aged now, what I mean is if we were going to refer to his recent fight against Gaballo we can say that Donaire has still the power in both hands and that will still be shown to his upcoming fight against Inoue for sure. However, this match is a rematch for the two great fighters and this time we can't tell if Inoue will still dominate the fight or it will be a chance for Donaire to win the game.

You are right, for now Donaire has a very good advantage but you have to think that Inoue has a very good technique, on the other hand I like to make an analogy between Donaire and GGG, both are fighters who are believed that due to their age they cannot have the same performance, but a user here in the forum said a comment that is absolutely right, and that is that as long as you stay active in sports you have active muscles and in turn have the experience that everyone would like to have, of course, this is not compared to youth, juventus is another power, but experience, as in everything, is worth it.

I've been into the boxing world since start of the Era of Manny Pacquiao and many people see the potential in this man after he represents the Philippines the name of Donaire are now continuously shining like the shadow of Manny and now he creates a good image into the world of boxing because of being flashy in the ring he called as the Filipino Flash which he work hard to it's speed and foot work I guess this match would bring a really good match and I vote for Donaire still.

Well he represents the Filipinos no doubt, but it was really Manny who bring the flag on the country into the limelight.

But at this time, it's Donaire that still carrying the torch because Manny has retired and hopefully Filipinos can continue to dominate boxing world because they are a very hard nose fighter and willing to give up everything in the ring. So with that said, Donaire should make the Filipino proud again if he can pull one of the biggest upsets, against Inoue although as I have said, the chance might be slim, but who knows.

[livingfree]

You are right, for now Donaire has a very good advantage but you have to think that Inoue has a very good technique, on the other hand I like to make an analogy between Donaire and GGG, both are fighters who are believed that due to their age they cannot have the same performance, but a user here in the forum said a comment that is absolutely right, and that is that as long as you stay active in sports you have active muscles and in turn have the experience that everyone would like to have, of course, this is not compared to youth, juventus is another power, but experience, as in everything, is worth it.

Inoue is good as well.

This is like a challenging moment for both of them and we as fans, we're really going to tell that our bet is stronger and better. But as someone who likes to see both of them with their matches.

We can conclude that they have their own advantages.

Experiences are there and they don't lack from it.

[inthelongrun]

Donaire did said that age is just a number after beating then WBC champion Oubaali. But it is a fact that age is a factor. No matter how much you train yourself, you cannot stop the effects of aging when it comes to reflexes, speed, stamina and strength. They slowly start to diminish at 30s. One can simply watch his previous fights since winning his first world title against Vic Darchinyan at flyweight and then later terrorizing divisions up to featherweight. The thing that keeps Donaire a champion is his power, something the bantamweights cannot take.

We seldom see late 30s becoming world champions. And most of them are technical boxers like Floyd Mayweather and BHop. Brawlers, they rely most on strength like Miguel Cotto and Iron Mike will have difficulty when it comes to career longevity.  

You guys are taking Donaire's age too seriously. Age is a factor as you said and I agree with that but we should not include that in our analysis of his upcoming fight with Naoya Inoue. He is already in his late 30s when he fought Inoue first and look at what happened to the Japanese boxer. It looks like Inoue was against a prime boxer. Donaire still moves forward after that 1st fight and is able to keep his strength in his next couple of fights and both are impressive 4th Round KO win.

Enough of this age issue. That was totally a non-sense factor for me to include in our analysis.

Me and some are emphasizing Donaire's age because it is a factor. How could we not include in our analysis when it is clear as day that he is not the same fighter anymore. We can talk about skills but knowing the other guy's skills isn't the same because of aging then it will be worth mentioning. It would be a shame talking about how poor Michael Jordan and the Wizards cannot compete against the top like the previous championship Bulls team without considering his age. Or saying how weak Mike Tyson was against Kevin McBride. It's like discounting these legends and their previous achievements were just flukes because they lost when they became old. I can remember when Lomachenko said he is not interested fighting Pacman because the legend is past his prime and people would say he beat an older version. You guys seen GGG and Canelo's previous two fights? They were close. I beat their third match will make GGG minimum x3.

I just talked with an fb friend and he's also an admin of our boxing group. The Ring magazine (the bible of boxing) reporter and editor. He's also a member of the BWAA a rival of The Ring when it comes to the highest awards in boxing. I just cut and shaded some of it because he is also linked to local media. Anyways, best wishes to Donaire but I think Inoue will be smarter this time, he won't engage much and maybe he can also stop Donaire in the late rounds.

[arwin100]

You are right, for now Donaire has a very good advantage but you have to think that Inoue has a very good technique, on the other hand I like to make an analogy between Donaire and GGG, both are fighters who are believed that due to their age they cannot have the same performance, but a user here in the forum said a comment that is absolutely right, and that is that as long as you stay active in sports you have active muscles and in turn have the experience that everyone would like to have, of course, this is not compared to youth, juventus is another power, but experience, as in everything, is worth it.

Inoue is good as well.

This is like a challenging moment for both of them and we as fans, we're really going to tell that our bet is stronger and better. But as someone who likes to see both of them with their matches.

We can conclude that they have their own advantages.

Experiences are there and they don't lack from it.

Challenge for both of them for the fact that both of them facing great fighter on their generation but I believe the momentum is on Inoue right now because he already defeated Donaire on their last match so maybe from that they already know how this guys do his work in the boxing ring. But also in case of Donaire he already taste the killer body shot of Inoue so I guess he's prepared for that and do some good improvements towards Inoue's strength and able to study his weakness for better version of his self on their rematch.

[Russlenat]

I don't have a doubt that Donaire is still the strong fighter that we have known since then even if this man is in aged now, what I mean is if we were going to refer to his recent fight against Gaballo we can say that Donaire has still the power in both hands and that will still be shown to his upcoming fight against Inoue for sure. However, this match is a rematch for the two great fighters and this time we can't tell if Inoue will still dominate the fight or it will be a chance for Donaire to win the game.

You are right, for now Donaire has a very good advantage but you have to think that Inoue has a very good technique, on the other hand I like to make an analogy between Donaire and GGG, both are fighters who are believed that due to their age they cannot have the same performance, but a user here in the forum said a comment that is absolutely right, and that is that as long as you stay active in sports you have active muscles and in turn have the experience that everyone would like to have, of course, this is not compared to youth, juventus is another power, but experience, as in everything, is worth it.

I've been into the boxing world since start of the Era of Manny Pacquiao and many people see the potential in this man after he represents the Philippines the name of Donaire are now continuously shining like the shadow of Manny and now he creates a good image into the world of boxing because of being flashy in the ring he called as the Filipino Flash which he work hard to it's speed and foot work I guess this match would bring a really good match and I vote for Donaire still.

Well he represents the Filipinos no doubt, but it was really Manny who bring the flag on the country into the limelight.

But at this time, it's Donaire that still carrying the torch because Manny has retired and hopefully Filipinos can continue to dominate boxing world because they are a very hard nose fighter and willing to give up everything in the ring. So with that said, Donaire should make the Filipino proud again if he can pull one of the biggest upsets, against Inoue although as I have said, the chance might be slim, but who knows.

It was Manny Pacquiao who made the Philippines more known and that Filipino boxers aren't to be underestimated easily, and yes I agree that Donaire now carries the torch for the Philippines until he retires like Pacquiao did and he will be followed by the new generations which is Magsayo and Casimero. Win or lose, the Filipinos are still proud of Donaire.

[serjent05]

You are right about the age but Donaire is still in good shape despite his age. As far as technical analysis is concerned, I doubt age is really a disadvantage on his part against Naoya Inoue. There is no doubt that Naoya Inoue does all the advantages against Nonito Donaire but why does the Filipino Flash even consider the next match for Inoue if he is just nothing but an old boxer that is almost close to retirement?

In a fight between great fighters, all aspect matters, speed, strength, technical skills, heart, endurance, reaction speed, ring experience, conditioning, etc., and age has something to do with all these aspects.  The question in this fight is whether Donaire's accumulated experience outperforms his diminishing statistics.  And age is really one important factor when the fight goes the long way, ending in a decision since stamina is the major factor here.

Honestly, only people here are considering age as a disadvantage for Donaire but you will never see Inoue's side taking that as their advantage as they know more about the capability of Nonito Donaire.

Age is both advantage and disadvantage but with a fight against the same or better caliber fighter, it will really make a difference.

It was Manny Pacquiao who made the Philippines more known and that Filipino boxers aren't to be underestimated easily, and yes I agree that Donaire now carries the torch for the Philippines until he retires like Pacquiao did and he will be followed by the new generations which is Magsayo and Casimero. Win or lose, the Filipinos are still proud of Donaire.

Sadly Magsayo and Casimero isn't in the same level as Pacquiao or Donaire.  I hope Ph boxing organization will produce more skilled boxer than this two.

[Oasisman]

Casimero needs to have an impressive win against Butler for them to gain more spectators once Inoue and Casimero steps foot on the same ring. Because, honestly Inoue is on a different level than Donaire and Casimero.
And, honestly I don't think Donaire can win this 2nd match.
Inoue's boxing skills is indeed in line with Manny and Canelo, he's probably going to climb to a different weight division after beating these 2 Filipino fighters.
I did not underestimate Donaire or Casimero , but Inoue is just on another level.

Inoue might have that advantage, but knowing how pinoy fighters, the will to win is always inside their heart.

Donaire, with his last impressive win, might change the tempo of this fight. Though he is no longer on his prime now and Inoue

beat him from their last meeting. It will all depends from how both fighters will prepare and how luck will back them up with a good

and solid conversion that will lead them to a knock down win, crossing my finger to witness an entertaining and very aggressive

fight between these two champ!

Well, the first fight wasn't disappointing that It comes to a point where it seems to be a close fight until Donaire hit the canvass and totally gave in round 11.
That's one of the weaknesses for Donaire, he tends to gas out on the late rounds. His punches becomes weak and his legs begins to weaken as well.
I can't imagine how he's gonna handle those especially that he's out of his prime already and he's facing a rising boxing superstar.

[livingfree]

You are right, for now Donaire has a very good advantage but you have to think that Inoue has a very good technique, on the other hand I like to make an analogy between Donaire and GGG, both are fighters who are believed that due to their age they cannot have the same performance, but a user here in the forum said a comment that is absolutely right, and that is that as long as you stay active in sports you have active muscles and in turn have the experience that everyone would like to have, of course, this is not compared to youth, juventus is another power, but experience, as in everything, is worth it.

Inoue is good as well.

This is like a challenging moment for both of them and we as fans, we're really going to tell that our bet is stronger and better. But as someone who likes to see both of them with their matches.

We can conclude that they have their own advantages.

Experiences are there and they don't lack from it.

Challenge for both of them for the fact that both of them facing great fighter on their generation but I believe the momentum is on Inoue right now because he already defeated Donaire on their last match so maybe from that they already know how this guys do his work in the boxing ring. But also in case of Donaire he already taste the killer body shot of Inoue so I guess he's prepared for that and do some good improvements towards Inoue's strength and able to study his weakness for better version of his self on their rematch.

Yeah.

Can't agree more that both of them are great fighters so this match is really intended for us. We want to see the match on who's really the good one.

If Inoue can really have that clean win on this or it's going to be Donaire that will have his redemption win. Inoue is at advantage but the pressure is on him.

[Vaculin]

If Inoue can really have that clean win on this or it's going to be Donaire that will have his redemption win. Inoue is at advantage but the pressure is on him.

Inoue knows how to handle that pressure, please do remember that he made the right adjustment when they first met.
Now, it's a rematch, both of them wants to win especially for Donaire because he wants to retire as a champion, but let's see if the old Donaire could still make a surprise in the boxing world.

Inoue should win here, unless Donairel will hit Inoue that will put him to sleep.

[harizen]

You are right about the age but Donaire is still in good shape despite his age. As far as technical analysis is concerned, I doubt age is really a disadvantage on his part against Naoya Inoue. There is no doubt that Naoya Inoue does all the advantages against Nonito Donaire but why does the Filipino Flash even consider the next match for Inoue if he is just nothing but an old boxer that is almost close to retirement?

In a fight between great fighters, all aspect matters, speed, strength, technical skills, heart, endurance, reaction speed, ring experience, conditioning, etc., and age has something to do with all these aspects.  The question in this fight is whether Donaire's accumulated experience outperforms his diminishing statistics.  And age is really one important factor when the fight goes the long way, ending in a decision since stamina is the major factor here.

Honestly, only people here are considering age as a disadvantage for Donaire but you will never see Inoue's side taking that as their advantage as they know more about the capability of Nonito Donaire.

Age is both advantage and disadvantage but with a fight against the same or better caliber fighter, it will really make a difference.

This is really getting deeper and deeper. Never did I mention that Donaire before is still the same as today HOWEVER I can really consider him as still in good shape despite his age. Sorry, but I won't really associate his age as the main factor why he is at disadvantage against Naoya Inoue. That was a sh*t reason for me to believe that it will be the reason why he will lose.

I won't repeat this again if Donaire will lose in the match "it's not because of his age" but the Japanese monster just does his best and dominates the fight as he already has the reference of how Donaire fights.

Obviously, Donaire is no excuse for the effect of being an aged fighter but if you will just pinpoint that specific factor why he will lose in this match then I don't see any reason why should I continue the discussion on that subject.