Inoue vs Donaire II discussion

[mirakal]

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Those people who treat age as a factor for Nonito Donaire are not doing their respective homework and just relying everything on the "name impact" and "age". They are not aware that Donaire even much older compared to Inoue, still has that speed, quickness, and Knock Out power.

The reason is, that Donaire is always active doing his routine operation and always has a match, therefore, training is almost part of his entire life and never stopped. That results in his body not adopting the aging effect.

If Donaire will lose for the 2nd time, it's 100% not because of his age but for other reasons.

Certainly! These people are just following the hype in the surroundings and are just automatically siding who is the favorite to win on this fight without digging any further before making some baseless statement like that, I bet they don't even know what Donaire had achieved throughout his whole career.

Since Donaire started doing professional fights in the early 2000's, he's getting 3 to 4 fights per year until he reached the age of 30 where he only fought once or twice a year and then someone say that his age can be a basis? That's funny. Just like when people doubt against GGG's capabilities because of age reasons.

Yes age does matter cause when a boxer getting old and older their movement speed gets slower, but we should not underestimate older boxers cause even they are getting slower but they are also more vigilant and more veteran in fighting they are more strategic in fighting. Like GGG and manny, Pacquiao did when they are fighting against younger opponents,

That is already a fact but sometimes when these boxers are so busy and active getting fights, that factor will somehow slow down and sometimes it cannot be seen. But I agree that these veteran boxers shouldn't be underestimated because their experience speak for themselves and they are not easy to deal with. We've seen these boxers numerous times and fighting them lightly because they are old will lead to defeat.

[Coin_trader]

If Inoue can really have that clean win on this or it's going to be Donaire that will have his redemption win. Inoue is at advantage but the pressure is on him.

Inoue knows how to handle that pressure, please do remember that he made the right adjustment when they first met.
Now, it's a rematch, both of them wants to win especially for Donaire because he wants to retire as a champion, but let's see if the old Donaire could still make a surprise in the boxing world.

Inoue should win here, unless Donairel will hit Inoue that will put him to sleep.

Donaire was beaten by Inoue at his prime, the only edge of of Donaire on this match was his experience and data analysis on how he will counter Inoue as he is more motivated to win for his retirement and redemption. There might be a 3rd match for them if ever Donaire win on this match. The odds for Donaire is currently 4.2 which only show how far the difference in there stats. I will go for Inoue to win but my bet will go to Donaire for support.

[Vaculin]

If Inoue can really have that clean win on this or it's going to be Donaire that will have his redemption win. Inoue is at advantage but the pressure is on him.

Inoue knows how to handle that pressure, please do remember that he made the right adjustment when they first met.
Now, it's a rematch, both of them wants to win especially for Donaire because he wants to retire as a champion, but let's see if the old Donaire could still make a surprise in the boxing world.

Inoue should win here, unless Donairel will hit Inoue that will put him to sleep.

Donaire was beaten by Inoue at his prime, the only edge of of Donaire on this match was his experience and data analysis on how he will counter Inoue as he is more motivated to win for his retirement and redemption. There might be a 3rd match for them if ever Donaire win on this match. The odds for Donaire is currently 4.2 which only show how far the difference in there stats. I will go for Inoue to win but my bet will go to Donaire for support.

That's a big question for me, like I said, Donaire can only win if he can KO Inoue because if they will make this fight last 12 rounds, Inoue will certainly get the vote of the judges like what happened in the first fight. however, I'm pretty sure that Inoue will be more careful knowing that Donaire still has the power to KO an opponent, so he would use the right strategy to beat the veteran champion.

[Pamadar]

That is already a fact but sometimes when these boxers are so busy and active getting fights, that factor will somehow slow down and sometimes it cannot be seen. But I agree that these veteran boxers shouldn't be underestimated because their experience speak for themselves and they are not easy to deal with. We've seen these boxers numerous times and fighting them lightly because they are old will lead to defeat.

Not sure Inoue will do that, he knows how furious the Pinoy Flash is and gives him that opportunities

can lead him to lose the fight. The first time they've met, he almost loses since Donaire keeps on converting those
solid punches. Good thing that he is still young, and he is able to handle it.

For sure, in this upcoming fight, he won't let Donaire to have that same conversion else. A lucky solid punch will
take him down and lose his belt.

[Shamm]

Here comes with the age issue again, why is it that you're so certain that age is an important factor? I'm not a fan of Donaire but I disagree about it, age will only become a factor if the fighter or boxer isn't active for years or not getting a fight for two years or more.

In the case of Donaire, he already fought twice last year and ended it with a KO and now he's fighting against the Japan's monster Inoue with just 6 months of rest period.

Those people who treat age as a factor for Nonito Donaire are not doing their respective homework and just relying everything on the "name impact" and "age". They are not aware that Donaire even much older compared to Inoue, still has that speed, quickness, and Knock Out power.

The reason is, that Donaire is always active doing his routine operation and always has a match, therefore, training is almost part of his entire life and never stopped. That results in his body not adopting the aging effect.

If Donaire will lose for the 2nd time, it's 100% not because of his age but for other reasons.

Certainly! These people are just following the hype in the surroundings and are just automatically siding who is the favorite to win on this fight without digging any further before making some baseless statement like that, I bet they don't even know what Donaire had achieved throughout his whole career.

Since Donaire started doing professional fights in the early 2000's, he's getting 3 to 4 fights per year until he reached the age of 30 where he only fought once or twice a year and then someone say that his age can be a basis? That's funny. Just like when people doubt against GGG's capabilities because of age reasons.

Yes age does matter cause when a boxer getting old and older their movement speed gets slower, but we should not underestimate older boxers cause even they are getting slower but they are also more vigilant and more veteran in fighting they are more strategic in fighting. Like GGG and manny, Pacquiao did when they are fighting against younger opponents,

That is already a fact but sometimes when these boxers are so busy and active getting fights, that factor will somehow slow down and sometimes it cannot be seen. But I agree that these veteran boxers shouldn't be underestimated because their experience speak for themselves and they are not easy to deal with. We've seen these boxers numerous times and fighting them lightly because they are old will lead to defeat.

A player/a boxer will get an high chance of winning if they not underestimate their opponents, in a story says some other player /boxer who underestimate their opponents will be loss. Like in donaire  situation even if he is in the age of older than his prime years if someone younger underestimate him for sure will be loss cause an veteran is a veteran we can not say  that older man is loser .

[serjent05]

This is really getting deeper and deeper. Never did I mention that Donaire before is still the same as today HOWEVER I can really consider him as still in good shape despite his age. Sorry, but I won't really associate his age as the main factor why he is at disadvantage against Naoya Inoue. That was a sh*t reason for me to believe that it will be the reason why he will lose.

I won't repeat this again if Donaire will lose in the match "it's not because of his age" but the Japanese monster just does his best and dominates the fight as he already has the reference of how Donaire fights.

I won't argue with you on what you believe in but I am just stating facts.  Boxing is a physical sport and contact sports are greatly affected by age. and I already admit that Inoue is suppose to be a better fighter in this fight, didn't I?

Age is both advantage and disadvantage but with a fight against the same or better caliber fighter, it will really make a difference.

And definitely, age isn't an excuse for a fighter if he ever loses a fight.  But as a spectator, we cannot remove the fact that age does affect a boxer's gameplay.

It is just a matter of point of view, and I always believe a 26-year-old Donaire is way better than the 26 years old Inoue that is why I stated, if Inoue meets Donaire in his prime, the first match would have a different result. But well you might think differently, but that is my opinion.

And someone mention that Donaire's Prime where somewhere in early 2010's which I highly agree.

Obviously, Donaire is no excuse for the effect of being an aged fighter but if you will just pinpoint that specific factor why he will lose in this match then I don't see any reason why should I continue the discussion on that subject.

I always believe that if a boxer losses in a decision, his camp didn't prepare well during his training, or the other camp outsmarted them on the strategy.  Age may be one of the factors but the conditioning and tactical game analysis also play a huge part in the ring performance.

That is already a fact but sometimes when these boxers are so busy and active getting fights, that factor will somehow slow down and sometimes it cannot be seen. But I agree that these veteran boxers shouldn't be underestimated because their experience speak for themselves and they are not easy to deal with. We've seen these boxers numerous times and fighting them lightly because they are old will lead to defeat.

Not sure Inoue will do that, he knows how furious the Pinoy Flash is and gives him that opportunities

can lead him to lose the fight. The first time they've met, he almost loses since Donaire keeps on converting those
solid punches. Good thing that he is still young, and he is able to handle it.

For sure, in this upcoming fight, he won't let Donaire to have that same conversion else. A lucky solid punch will
take him down and lose his belt.

True and besides I think Donaire's experience has a little effect on this one, since they had fought once, they will come up with countermeasure and patch those gaps they had in the last fight.  I also think that Inoue will be way more careful in this fight since Donaire always have that 1 punch KO in him and I believe Inoue is well aware of that. And with all aspects considered, Inoue has an upper ground in this fight but this is boxing, 1 punch can turn into an upset victory . So we can't be sure of the winner until it's over.

[Questat]

And someone mention that Donaire's Prime where somewhere in early 2010's which I highly agree.

Sometimes this kind of discussion will lose the excitement of the fight, if used the word prime, we can always make it as an excuse if our fighter will lose. Donaire may not on his prime anymore but look what he did in his previous fight, he still has the power and has become more mature in choosing his strategy.

Inoue's hardest fight IMO is against Donaire, so let's think that it's Donaire has a decent chance of winning in this rematch.

[molsewid]

Sometimes this kind of discussion will lose the excitement of the fight, if used the word prime, we can always make it as an excuse if our fighter will lose. Donaire may not on his prime anymore but look what he did in his previous fight, he still has the power and has become more mature in choosing his strategy.

Inoue's hardest fight IMO is against Donaire, so let's think that it's Donaire has a decent chance of winning in this rematch.

If we will going to look on the age gap between Donaire and Inoue we can say that Donaire is far more age than Inoue but then I believe I can't say that Donaire's prime were past already because this man proves despite of his age his recent fight was still incredibly amazing and it amazed many boxing fans. I do also believe that Inoue is one of the great fighter today but our speculations will only be concluded once we see these two fighters fighting inside the ring and let's wait till it happen.

[serjent05]

And someone mention that Donaire's Prime where somewhere in early 2010's which I highly agree.

Sometimes this kind of discussion will lose the excitement of the fight, if used the word prime, we can always make it as an excuse if our fighter will lose. Donaire may not on his prime anymore but look what he did in his previous fight, he still has the power and has become more mature in choosing his strategy.

Hehehe sorry for that, but oftentimes we wish that this kind of great fight should have occurred during those days, and yeah, I agree, Donaire is still performing very well despite his age, it is maybe because he knows what he is lacking and comes up with a better strategy to make up for those limitations. 

Inoue's hardest fight IMO is against Donaire, so let's think that it's Donaire has a decent chance of winning in this rematch.

Yeah, I definitely agree, haven't seen Inoue got injured that badly in his previous fights. But I admit, this one is one hell of a fight for Donaire not because he has gone older but because of the fact that Inoue had already experienced how Donaire fights just like what Harizen stated.

[chaser15]

Donaire did said that age is just a number after beating then WBC champion Oubaali. But it is a fact that age is a factor. No matter how much you train yourself, you cannot stop the effects of aging when it comes to reflexes, speed, stamina and strength. They slowly start to diminish at 30s. One can simply watch his previous fights since winning his first world title against Vic Darchinyan at flyweight and then later terrorizing divisions up to featherweight. The thing that keeps Donaire a champion is his power, something the bantamweights cannot take.

We seldom see late 30s becoming world champions. And most of them are technical boxers like Floyd Mayweather and BHop. Brawlers, they rely most on strength like Miguel Cotto and Iron Mike will have difficulty when it comes to career longevity.  

You guys are taking Donaire's age too seriously. Age is a factor as you said and I agree with that but we should not include that in our analysis of his upcoming fight with Naoya Inoue. He is already in his late 30s when he fought Inoue first and look at what happened to the Japanese boxer. It looks like Inoue was against a prime boxer. Donaire still moves forward after that 1st fight and is able to keep his strength in his next couple of fights and both are impressive 4th Round KO win.

Enough of this age issue. That was totally a non-sense factor for me to include in our analysis.

Me and some are emphasizing Donaire's age because it is a factor. How could we not include in our analysis when it is clear as day that he is not the same fighter anymore. We can talk about skills but knowing the other guy's skills isn't the same because of aging then it will be worth mentioning. It would be a shame talking about how poor Michael Jordan and the Wizards cannot compete against the top like the previous championship Bulls team without considering his age. Or saying how weak Mike Tyson was against Kevin McBride. It's like discounting these legends and their previous achievements were just flukes because they lost when they became old. I can remember when Lomachenko said he is not interested fighting Pacman because the legend is past his prime and people would say he beat an older version. You guys seen GGG and Canelo's previous two fights? They were close. I beat their third match will make GGG minimum x3.

I just talked with an fb friend and he's also an admin of our boxing group. The Ring magazine (the bible of boxing) reporter and editor. He's also a member of the BWAA a rival of The Ring when it comes to the highest awards in boxing. I just cut and shaded some of it because he is also linked to local media. Anyways, best wishes to Donaire but I think Inoue will be smarter this time, he won't engage much and maybe he can also stop Donaire in the late rounds.

Your examples are useless bro, let's focus on Donaire. It's 100% obvious that Donaire is already not in his prime on their first meetup with Inoue so I don't see why you asked that question with an obvious answer by whoever BOXING EXPERT or BOXING PROFESSIONAL ANALYST you asked.

Did I say Donaire is the same fighter as before? My reference is how active he is from prime to aging. He fairly maintained his speed and power since he continues to fight and never got ring rust. Therefore, what is supposed to be a 40-year-old doing is currently not in his state yet. That's why I don't consider age to be included in our analysis here.

If you are a boxing enthusiast for a long and as you said you are in a boxing group and maybe more intelligent and bright about boxing in general compared to us, you should remember that age is an issue prior to Inoue fighting Donaire but after the fight, that age issue become useless as they saw Donaire performing like age is not hitting him yet.

AGE AGE AGE - non-stop age concerns instead of focusing on the capability of both boxers. If things are that easy to speculate because of age, then we don't need any topic about technical strategies that both fighters might apply in the fight,

[goinmerry]

I will cut your discussion guys about age issues and like to discuss this interesting topic.

If you guys noticed on the last fight of Donaire against a much younger like over 10+ years of age and in its prime, we saw the speed of Donaire doing some multiple jabs at the same time while connecting some strong punch as a combination. What Donaire did is, he just continue with that strategy until Gaballo feels the pain in his body then eventually he can't handle it anymore and goes down.

That strategy of Donaire requires a big amount of stamina and yet he managed to do it even already not in his prime. That shows us that an active boxer will defy his age. That strategy can work against Inoue but the amount of stamina should be doubled or tripled because after all, Naoya Inoue is on a different level and the most dangerous boxer currently at 117.

[arwin100]

I will cut your discussion guys about age issues and like to discuss this interesting topic.

If you guys noticed on the last fight of Donaire against a much younger like over 10+ years of age and in its prime, we saw the speed of Donaire doing some multiple jabs at the same time while connecting some strong punch as a combination. What Donaire did is, he just continue with that strategy until Gaballo feels the pain in his body then eventually he can't handle it anymore and goes down.

That strategy of Donaire requires a big amount of stamina and yet he managed to do it even already not in his prime. That shows us that an active boxer will defy his age. That strategy can work against Inoue but the amount of stamina should be doubled or tripled because after all, Naoya Inoue is on a different level and the most dangerous boxer currently at 117.

We all know how intense he is when he goes in training and stamina is one of things they take care to so for this its mot surprising to see him very  on this fight as Nonito is known to be a well disciplined fighter. Also he's fighting a bigger opponent which defeats him before so for sure there's no question about how hard his preparation taken for this fight and for sure he aim to take revenge then take the head of Inoue before he retires.

[yazher]

We all know how intense he is when he goes in training and stamina is one of things they take care to so for this its mot surprising to see him very  on this fight as Nonito is known to be a well disciplined fighter. Also he's fighting a bigger opponent which defeats him before so for sure there's no question about how hard his preparation taken for this fight and for sure he aim to take revenge then take the head of Inoue before he retires.

He is more careful than in their last fight and so as Inoue, the only thing to win this upcoming fight is who has the best experience from their last fight and utilizes those skills to beat one another. I guess whatever the outcome of this fight, it would not become a regret for these two legendary fighters as this will be one of the best fights of their career. I want to see a knockout with this one rather than heading to the official's decision because K.O will automatically conclude their series and whoever wins will be satisfied.

[perla]

We all know how intense he is when he goes in training and stamina is one of things they take care to so for this its mot surprising to see him very  on this fight as Nonito is known to be a well disciplined fighter. Also he's fighting a bigger opponent which defeats him before so for sure there's no question about how hard his preparation taken for this fight and for sure he aim to take revenge then take the head of Inoue before he retires.

He is more careful than in their last fight and so as Inoue, the only thing to win this upcoming fight is who has the best experience from their last fight and utilizes those skills to beat one another. I guess whatever the outcome of this fight, it would not become a regret for these two legendary fighters as this will be one of the best fights of their career. I want to see a knockout with this one rather than heading to the official's decision because K.O will automatically conclude their series and whoever wins will be satisfied.

I'd love watching matches like this, I mean a real close match like a fair match unlike fighting with taller and smaller opponent or fighting opponent to different division well we can't control that but fighting with most likely same phyisical body and length reach and we are only looking now to their skills and experience with each other/

[Vaculin]

That strategy can work against Inoue but the amount of stamina should be doubled or tripled because after all, Naoya Inoue is on a different level and the most dangerous boxer currently at 117.

I certainly agree with that, we saw in their first fight that Inoue has received lots of big shots but Inoue is still standing. In fact, Inoue's eye socket was damaged and yet he continue to fight using the speed as his advantage. In comparison to the stamina, Inoue has the edge because he is the younger fighter  and both of them are hard working fighters.

Honestly, it's hard to tell if Donaire will win, but who knows.

[inthelongrun]

It's 100% obvious that Donaire is already not in his prime on their first meetup with Inoue

Indeed! It was 100% obvious only if people were actually watching his prime years. Prime years that made him the top 3 p4p in the world and a 4 division champion. Prime years that earned him multi Ring and BWAA awards. Prime years that made him a million-dollar fighter. 

but after the fight, that age issue become useless as they saw Donaire performing like age is not hitting him yet.

Wait! I thought it was obvious that Donaire was not his prime anymore? Maybe you haven't watched his prime years then? Or maybe you only watched a few and you cannot remember much of it anymore? You cannot compare the movements, ring generalship, aggressiveness and his hand speed? Why do you think Donaire moved down to 118 when many times he mentioned before that he cannot make the weight anymore? You think prime Donaire will struggle with that journeyman Cesar Juarez? Or lost to Magdaleno? Why do you think he is not a million-dollar fighter anymore? Hell, guy wasn't even paid $400k since dropping back to 118. Probably with Inoue he can make over $500k reason why he is willing to travel to Inoue's backyard.   

Do you really think the 4 division legend becomes a 4-1 or 5-1 underdog against this Inoue at prime? You're becoming funny bruh. Without that Donaire victory, all of Inoue's bantamweight victories cannot even equalized Donaire's scintillating bantamweight win over then Ring, WBO and WBC champ Cucholito. His victory over Donaire I think was the first and only time he was awarded by The Ring for the fight of the year. It is always funny with the casuals. Let's see if he can match Donaire's 4 divisions. And Donaire's 2 time The Ring's knockout of the year and fighter of the year both by The Ring and BWAA.

[coin-investor]

That strategy can work against Inoue but the amount of stamina should be doubled or tripled because after all, Naoya Inoue is on a different level and the most dangerous boxer currently at 117.

I certainly agree with that, we saw in their first fight that Inoue has received lots of big shots but Inoue is still standing. In fact, Inoue's eye socket was damaged and yet he continue to fight using the speed as his advantage. In comparison to the stamina, Inoue has the edge because he is the younger fighter  and both of them are hard working fighters.

Honestly, it's hard to tell if Donaire will win, but who knows.

Donaire can improve I don't think he will fight the way he fought that last time they met, between the two he is the most experienced he will find ways to counter Inoue's speed, he just has to dig deep the left hook will still play a major factor because Donaire lives and die with that left hook, he just needs a good execution, I don't find it hard for Donaire to win he is a 4 times champion and have fought the best in his two decades of fgihting.
I still trust that Donaire will pull this one and be the first boxer to beat Inoue.

[livingfree]

If Inoue can really have that clean win on this or it's going to be Donaire that will have his redemption win. Inoue is at advantage but the pressure is on him.

Inoue knows how to handle that pressure, please do remember that he made the right adjustment when they first met.
Now, it's a rematch, both of them wants to win especially for Donaire because he wants to retire as a champion, but let's see if the old Donaire could still make a surprise in the boxing world.

Inoue should win here, unless Donairel will hit Inoue that will put him to sleep.

Yeah, he had won their first match and he adjusted but also looking at the impact done by Donaire, that's totally devastating.

Well, I have my bias on this match and I'm on Donaire's side. I'm sure that he had been thinking or had the strategy already on how he was going to put him on the floor asleep.

As a fan, we do think of that result but as usual, there will be a moment of surprise that shall come by that match day.

[carlisle1]

If Inoue can really have that clean win on this or it's going to be Donaire that will have his redemption win. Inoue is at advantage but the pressure is on him.

Inoue knows how to handle that pressure, please do remember that he made the right adjustment when they first met.
Now, it's a rematch, both of them wants to win especially for Donaire because he wants to retire as a champion, but let's see if the old Donaire could still make a surprise in the boxing world.

Inoue should win here, unless Donairel will hit Inoue that will put him to sleep.

Yeah, he had won their first match and he adjusted but also looking at the impact done by Donaire, that's totally devastating.

Well, I have my bias on this match and I'm on Donaire's side. I'm sure that he had been thinking or had the strategy already on how he was going to put him on the floor asleep.

As a fan, we do think of that result but as usual, there will be a moment of surprise that shall come by that match day.

Donaire still has that solid combo and he shows that from his last fight, if Inoue will be careless, he won't get only a cut in his eyes

but a possible KO might upset him. If Donaire maintains his stamina, which I'm hoping that he can do due to his age, but if ever his winning

chance is still good. Both sides are aiming to win. Inoue to continue his dominance from this division, while for Donaire it would be an

honor to retire with such additional accomplishment.

[mirakal]

I will cut your discussion guys about age issues and like to discuss this interesting topic.

If you guys noticed on the last fight of Donaire against a much younger like over 10+ years of age and in its prime, we saw the speed of Donaire doing some multiple jabs at the same time while connecting some strong punch as a combination. What Donaire did is, he just continue with that strategy until Gaballo feels the pain in his body then eventually he can't handle it anymore and goes down.

That strategy of Donaire requires a big amount of stamina and yet he managed to do it even already not in his prime. That shows us that an active boxer will defy his age. That strategy can work against Inoue but the amount of stamina should be doubled or tripled because after all, Naoya Inoue is on a different level and the most dangerous boxer currently at 117.

We all know how intense he is when he goes in training and stamina is one of things they take care to so for this its mot surprising to see him very  on this fight as Nonito is known to be a well disciplined fighter. Also he's fighting a bigger opponent which defeats him before so for sure there's no question about how hard his preparation taken for this fight and for sure he aim to take revenge then take the head of Inoue before he retires.

In terms of determination, we cannot really fathom how long and how far would Donaire take to step-up his game more especially for the fact that he had been defeated during their first encounter. That was his motivation and he will seek revenge knowing that Inoue could feel his punches, so he should connect more often than he did last time, I mean both of them will improve and we will see an another version to the both of them. This fight is surely an entertaining to see because both of them is willing to go for a toe-to-toe fight.