Inoue vs Donaire II discussion

[molsewid]

I agree. Donaire needs to be the aggressor in this fight. Otherwise, Inoue will just do a hit and run on him. I also agree that 39 years old Donaire will have a hard time catching Inoue as he is not the Flash anymore. Donaire will only rely on his accuracy to land his own bombs. But can he land it big time? Inoue tasted it before, the Monster will be fighting cautiously this time. The Monster still has the speed and power to out box and hurt Donaire. I also find it difficult for Donaire to win this one. Inoue's odds are too small. Inoue by ko/tko is not available in sportsbet. So I might take a pass on this one.   

Well Inoue and Donaire have had faced off already once and with being said I believe Donaire have realized what is his lack during that time. I would agree that if Donaire didn't become aggressor in this battle there is a big chance that Inoue will take this as a big advantage to him and fortunately win against him for the second time. Donaire's age gap against Inoue plays a big role to have Inoue became the advantage to him and that Donaire needs to be keen during their battle.

[Russlenat]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

That might be true but they wouldn't really know unless they try moving up in the next division, he have nothing to lose now because he will be stripped on his current belts so it might be best now try another division as his regular weight belongs to super bantamweight or even featherweight division. Also I don't think he will remain in the bantamweight either because he will always have a problem with his weight and that won't change.

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

Casimero doesn't need to think hardly about it because he don't have that much of a choice now, he will start climbing the ranks again so why not make that climb in the next upper division where his weight would not be a big problem for him. His power might not be the same but his weight won't not be a big problem for him and he don't have to cheat on it anymore.

[AmoreJaz]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

That might be true but they wouldn't really know unless they try moving up in the next division, he have nothing to lose now because he will be stripped on his current belts so it might be best now try another division as his regular weight belongs to super bantamweight or even featherweight division. Also I don't think he will remain in the bantamweight either because he will always have a problem with his weight and that won't change.

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

Casimero doesn't need to think hardly about it because he don't have that much of a choice now, he will start climbing the ranks again so why not make that climb in the next upper division where his weight would not be a big problem for him. His power might not be the same but his weight won't not be a big problem for him and he don't have to cheat on it anymore.

this thread is about inoue and donaire, and yet, we are still discussing casimero here.  i guess, many of his followers got disappointed because of this recurring weight problem. he needs to move up if he can't achieve the target weight. would be comfortable for him if he doesn't need to worry this aspect. and just work on his techniques and game plan. he's like starting brand new and chasing after inoue may be off the table for now.

[Sanitough]

I agree. Donaire needs to be the aggressor in this fight. Otherwise, Inoue will just do a hit and run on him. I also agree that 39 years old Donaire will have a hard time catching Inoue as he is not the Flash anymore. Donaire will only rely on his accuracy to land his own bombs. But can he land it big time? Inoue tasted it before, the Monster will be fighting cautiously this time. The Monster still has the speed and power to out box and hurt Donaire. I also find it difficult for Donaire to win this one. Inoue's odds are too small. Inoue by ko/tko is not available in sportsbet. So I might take a pass on this one.   

Well Inoue and Donaire have had faced off already once and with being said I believe Donaire have realized what is his lack during that time. I would agree that if Donaire didn't become aggressor in this battle there is a big chance that Inoue will take this as a big advantage to him and fortunately win against him for the second time. Donaire's age gap against Inoue plays a big role to have Inoue became the advantage to him and that Donaire needs to be keen during their battle.

The only disadvantage of Donaire's age is his stamina not his speed nor power, no one can doubt that because his oxygen tank slowly depletes as he grow older and so does the other boxers. What he lacks is the stamina to go all the way until round 12 without getting so weary because Inoue can still dance in the late rounds and that's the time where Inoue will summon all his strengths to take down the aging Donaire, I agreee Donaire's only choice is to be more aggressive and more accurate in the punches in the early rounds.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

I agree. Donaire needs to be the aggressor in this fight. Otherwise, Inoue will just do a hit and run on him. I also agree that 39 years old Donaire will have a hard time catching Inoue as he is not the Flash anymore. Donaire will only rely on his accuracy to land his own bombs. But can he land it big time? Inoue tasted it before, the Monster will be fighting cautiously this time. The Monster still has the speed and power to out box and hurt Donaire. I also find it difficult for Donaire to win this one. Inoue's odds are too small. Inoue by ko/tko is not available in sportsbet. So I might take a pass on this one.   

Well Inoue and Donaire have had faced off already once and with being said I believe Donaire have realized what is his lack during that time. I would agree that if Donaire didn't become aggressor in this battle there is a big chance that Inoue will take this as a big advantage to him and fortunately win against him for the second time. Donaire's age gap against Inoue plays a big role to have Inoue became the advantage to him and that Donaire needs to be keen during their battle.

But he should not go and put the gas early, it needs to be very calculated as we all know that Donaire doesn't have a good tank because of his age and he is not known to have one, as most of his losses, he falter late on the rounds. Might be a very difficult task for him to win against Inoue by aggressiveness. He needs to by calculated and used his timing and cover early and survived and be it a chess play. And hope that Inoue will make a bad move and Donaire seizing that opportunity.

[herurist]

I agree. Donaire needs to be the aggressor in this fight. Otherwise, Inoue will just do a hit and run on him. I also agree that 39 years old Donaire will have a hard time catching Inoue as he is not the Flash anymore. Donaire will only rely on his accuracy to land his own bombs. But can he land it big time? Inoue tasted it before, the Monster will be fighting cautiously this time. The Monster still has the speed and power to out box and hurt Donaire. I also find it difficult for Donaire to win this one. Inoue's odds are too small. Inoue by ko/tko is not available in sportsbet. So I might take a pass on this one.   

Well Inoue and Donaire have had faced off already once and with being said I believe Donaire have realized what is his lack during that time. I would agree that if Donaire didn't become aggressor in this battle there is a big chance that Inoue will take this as a big advantage to him and fortunately win against him for the second time. Donaire's age gap against Inoue plays a big role to have Inoue became the advantage to him and that Donaire needs to be keen during their battle.

But he should not go and put the gas early, it needs to be very calculated as we all know that Donaire doesn't have a good tank because of his age and he is not known to have one, as most of his losses, he falter late on the rounds. Might be a very difficult task for him to win against Inoue by aggressiveness. He needs to by calculated and used his timing and cover early and survived and be it a chess play. And hope that Inoue will make a bad move and Donaire seizing that opportunity.

I'm not going to discuss age for now because even though he can be said to be nearing the end of his age, he is still one of the strongest boxers in terms of stamina.
His previous fight should be proof that age will not be a problem for him even though he has to think of a way to take down Inoue which is arguably quite difficult with Inoue's endurance.

[stadus]

I agree. Donaire needs to be the aggressor in this fight. Otherwise, Inoue will just do a hit and run on him. I also agree that 39 years old Donaire will have a hard time catching Inoue as he is not the Flash anymore. Donaire will only rely on his accuracy to land his own bombs. But can he land it big time? Inoue tasted it before, the Monster will be fighting cautiously this time. The Monster still has the speed and power to out box and hurt Donaire. I also find it difficult for Donaire to win this one. Inoue's odds are too small. Inoue by ko/tko is not available in sportsbet. So I might take a pass on this one.   

Well Inoue and Donaire have had faced off already once and with being said I believe Donaire have realized what is his lack during that time. I would agree that if Donaire didn't become aggressor in this battle there is a big chance that Inoue will take this as a big advantage to him and fortunately win against him for the second time. Donaire's age gap against Inoue plays a big role to have Inoue became the advantage to him and that Donaire needs to be keen during their battle.

But he should not go and put the gas early, it needs to be very calculated as we all know that Donaire doesn't have a good tank because of his age and he is not known to have one, as most of his losses, he falter late on the rounds. Might be a very difficult task for him to win against Inoue by aggressiveness. He needs to by calculated and used his timing and cover early and survived and be it a chess play. And hope that Inoue will make a bad move and Donaire seizing that opportunity.

Of course, otherwise he would not be able to beat Inoue for the 2nd time. Inoue is very conditioned, he does not rely on his power to KO his opponent, he also has a good lateral movement that's why Donaire will not see this as an easy fight. Winning is easy for a faster champion, so Donaire has to prepare some strategy that will counter the quickness of Inoue.

[Russlenat]

Casimero and his camp should just accept their fate that their preparations to have a fight is now gone, they knew that they are already been watched since he got in UK because of his sudden weight loss and the sad thing is they still bend the rules into their benefit even if they knew it's unfair to the opposing party. Casimero's weight problem wouldn't be a problem if he moved up but instead he remained in this division trying to force himself sink his weight even if he cannot do it.

I believe Casimero's camp thinks that if he moves up his power won't be a big thing in that category so they decided to stay in his present weight category to take advantage but it backed fire.  I hope I am wrong but I think he will be just another ordinary boxer if he moves up.

That might be true but they wouldn't really know unless they try moving up in the next division, he have nothing to lose now because he will be stripped on his current belts so it might be best now try another division as his regular weight belongs to super bantamweight or even featherweight division. Also I don't think he will remain in the bantamweight either because he will always have a problem with his weight and that won't change.

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

Casimero doesn't need to think hardly about it because he don't have that much of a choice now, he will start climbing the ranks again so why not make that climb in the next upper division where his weight would not be a big problem for him. His power might not be the same but his weight won't not be a big problem for him and he don't have to cheat on it anymore.

this thread is about inoue and donaire, and yet, we are still discussing casimero here.  i guess, many of his followers got disappointed because of this recurring weight problem. he needs to move up if he can't achieve the target weight. would be comfortable for him if he doesn't need to worry this aspect. and just work on his techniques and game plan. he's like starting brand new and chasing after inoue may be off the table for now.

On my side, I'm disappointed because his last resort to reduce his weight is not reasonable at all. They cannot have an excuse that they forgot because they are busy on getting Casimero's weight fixed, nah! That doesn't work like that, his weight is always a problem and will be a problem again if he doesn't move out on this division. Yes, his dreams to fight against Donaire or Inoue is far from reality for now as he needs to start again.

Sorry, I got mixed up on the thread's title. Forgot that the thread of Casimero or Sultan has been locked already.

[carlisle1]

On my side, I'm disappointed because his last resort to reduce his weight is not reasonable at all. They cannot have an excuse that they forgot because they are busy on getting Casimero's weight fixed, nah! That doesn't work like that, his weight is always a problem and will be a problem again if he doesn't move out on this division. Yes, his dreams to fight against Donaire or Inoue is far from reality for now as he needs to start again.

Sorry, I got mixed up on the thread's title. Forgot that the thread of Casimero or Sultan has been locked already.

He's out of the picture now. It's for Donaire and Inoue now that we will wait to take place, and moving back to the topic.

I would like to see if how Donaire will prepare for this fight, in terms of power punches or combos. Donaire still has that killing instinct

if Inoue will be careless, the chance of him being KO is still be possible. We saw that from Donaire's last fight he carefully analyzes

his movement and take the finishing attacks when he notices what the lapses from his opponent.

[arwin100]

On my side, I'm disappointed because his last resort to reduce his weight is not reasonable at all. They cannot have an excuse that they forgot because they are busy on getting Casimero's weight fixed, nah! That doesn't work like that, his weight is always a problem and will be a problem again if he doesn't move out on this division. Yes, his dreams to fight against Donaire or Inoue is far from reality for now as he needs to start again.

Sorry, I got mixed up on the thread's title. Forgot that the thread of Casimero or Sultan has been locked already.

He's out of the picture now. It's for Donaire and Inoue now that we will wait to take place, and moving back to the topic.

I would like to see if how Donaire will prepare for this fight, in terms of power punches or combos. Donaire still has that killing instinct

if Inoue will be careless, the chance of him being KO is still be possible. We saw that from Donaire's last fight he carefully analyzes

his movement and take the finishing attacks when he notices what the lapses from his opponent.

Casimero's big controversy what make him out of the picture, also for sure Inoue will find nonsense as he get nothing if he fight Casimero so for now we can really say that their fight will not gonna happen. Casimero has belt has been taken out so most provably Inoue will think about nothing if he push to fight him. I think Donaire is his last fight and go more higher if he successfully win this match.

[Russlenat]

On my side, I'm disappointed because his last resort to reduce his weight is not reasonable at all. They cannot have an excuse that they forgot because they are busy on getting Casimero's weight fixed, nah! That doesn't work like that, his weight is always a problem and will be a problem again if he doesn't move out on this division. Yes, his dreams to fight against Donaire or Inoue is far from reality for now as he needs to start again.

Sorry, I got mixed up on the thread's title. Forgot that the thread of Casimero or Sultan has been locked already.

He's out of the picture now. It's for Donaire and Inoue now that we will wait to take place, and moving back to the topic.

I would like to see if how Donaire will prepare for this fight, in terms of power punches or combos. Donaire still has that killing instinct

if Inoue will be careless, the chance of him being KO is still be possible. We saw that from Donaire's last fight he carefully analyzes

his movement and take the finishing attacks when he notices what the lapses from his opponent.

Yes, sorry for that confusion. Anyway you are right, let's go back to Inoue and Donaire as this thread is for made for them.

As usual, Donaire is so determined to correct his mistakes on their first encounter and now that he have those knowledge, he will make sure this time that his punches will be felt more when it lands to Inoue but I know that the latter have also made some preparations of his own as he also learned that Donaire can still do a knockout punch if he will get caught by that punches. My best guess is that Inoue will make Donaire weary in the early rounds so that the latter won't be effective anymore in the late rounds.

[TimeTeller]

On my side, I'm disappointed because his last resort to reduce his weight is not reasonable at all. They cannot have an excuse that they forgot because they are busy on getting Casimero's weight fixed, nah! That doesn't work like that, his weight is always a problem and will be a problem again if he doesn't move out on this division. Yes, his dreams to fight against Donaire or Inoue is far from reality for now as he needs to start again.

Sorry, I got mixed up on the thread's title. Forgot that the thread of Casimero or Sultan has been locked already.

He's out of the picture now. It's for Donaire and Inoue now that we will wait to take place, and moving back to the topic.

I would like to see if how Donaire will prepare for this fight, in terms of power punches or combos. Donaire still has that killing instinct

if Inoue will be careless, the chance of him being KO is still be possible. We saw that from Donaire's last fight he carefully analyzes

his movement and take the finishing attacks when he notices what the lapses from his opponent.

Yes, sorry for that confusion. Anyway you are right, let's go back to Inoue and Donaire as this thread is for made for them.

As usual, Donaire is so determined to correct his mistakes on their first encounter and now that he have those knowledge, he will make sure this time that his punches will be felt more when it lands to Inoue but I know that the latter have also made some preparations of his own as he also learned that Donaire can still do a knockout punch if he will get caught by that punches. My best guess is that Inoue will make Donaire weary in the early rounds so that the latter won't be effective anymore in the late rounds.

That may be one of his techniques because Donaire is older than Inoue.
So he would want to wear out Donaire as much as he can, if he can't make progress in the first rounds.
This will be interesting as both fighters know each other already inside the ring, so with that knowledge, they will use it to formulate some plans.
The odds are good if you are rooting for Donaire but if not, you can also wait for other betting lines.

[crzy]

That may be one of his techniques because Donaire is older than Inoue.
So he would want to wear out Donaire as much as he can, if he can't make progress in the first rounds.
This will be interesting as both fighters know each other already inside the ring, so with that knowledge, they will use it to formulate some plans.
The odds are good if you are rooting for Donaire but if not, you can also wait for other betting lines.

Most probably Inoue will just do the same thing he did on their previous match, or maybe do better about it so he can still defend his record of being undefeated. I’ve heard that this one is a trilogy so there’s a higher chance for Donaire to win over Inoue, he just need to focus on his strength and have a new strategy. This is very exciting match, will take the odds for Donaire on this one.

[blockman]

Most probably Inoue will just do the same thing he did on their previous match, or maybe do better about it so he can still defend his record of being undefeated. I’ve heard that this one is a trilogy so there’s a higher chance for Donaire to win over Inoue, he just need to focus on his strength and have a new strategy. This is very exciting match, will take the odds for Donaire on this one.

Yes, that could be the plan again. If his first strategy made him win against Donaire, he doesn't have to change anything but equip it with better preparation together with that strategy.
In most cases, those strategies that has been done will be repeated if it has been used to won against his opponent and that's why if it's just about defending his title. Better equipped with how he knew Donaire fights.

[dunfida]

Most probably Inoue will just do the same thing he did on their previous match, or maybe do better about it so he can still defend his record of being undefeated. I’ve heard that this one is a trilogy so there’s a higher chance for Donaire to win over Inoue, he just need to focus on his strength and have a new strategy. This is very exciting match, will take the odds for Donaire on this one.

Yes, that could be the plan again. If his first strategy made him win against Donaire, he doesn't have to change anything but equip it with better preparation together with that strategy.
In most cases, those strategies that has been done will be repeated if it has been used to won against his opponent and that's why if it's just about defending his title. Better equipped with how he knew Donaire fights.

Counter against a counter and that  should really be on his mind because for sure Donaire wont really be repeating on the same mistakes that he had on their first encounter which means that he should anticipate that

his opponent is really cooking up something and finding some counter which it would really be just sensible that you would really also go for another counter which it would really be showing off on who would be the

one would be last standing which means that he is much better in speaking with their counters but of course everything couldnt be known or determine until this fight settles down.

[ultrloa]

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

I think stepping up a weight class will still be difficult for Casimero now that especially he is even struggling to maintain the 115-118lbs. The next class is the Featherweight division with the range of 122–126 lbs and maintaining that weight range is almost the same as the Bantamweight. Stepping up in weight class is not a good option for me to him. He can start again climbing ranks and regain again being a champion like what Nonito Donaire did when he lost to Naoya Inoue.

He no needs to step up but just goes back again on his training regime in the Bantamweight division. He can surely do that but just lacks discipline.

Anyways, like someone posted above, this thread is now shifting to Casimero. My apology and that will be the last post of mine regarding him unless there will be a topic to him that directly involve either Donaire or Inoue.

He will struggle if he want to remain on bantam weight knowing how difficult things go to him reaching his desired weight for that fight, I know this is truly difficult since he might face much stronger opponents but its part of upgrading his career and might he will get back on his feet if he can able to go back and fight in his current weight class.

[harizen]

Issues happened already and I think Casimero should think about stepping up on higher weight class since he struggles if he push this and might this will totally make his career doomed if he push to stay lower. Trying upward might help him and he can fight more bigger stars that can possibly lift his career up.

I think stepping up a weight class will still be difficult for Casimero now that especially he is even struggling to maintain the 115-118lbs. The next class is the Featherweight division with the range of 122–126 lbs and maintaining that weight range is almost the same as the Bantamweight. Stepping up in weight class is not a good option for me to him. He can start again climbing ranks and regain again being a champion like what Nonito Donaire did when he lost to Naoya Inoue.

He no needs to step up but just goes back again on his training regime in the Bantamweight division. He can surely do that but just lacks discipline.

Anyways, like someone posted above, this thread is now shifting to Casimero. My apology and that will be the last post of mine regarding him unless there will be a topic to him that directly involve either Donaire or Inoue.

He will struggle if he want to remain on bantam weight knowing how difficult things go to him reaching his desired weight for that fight, I know this is truly difficult since he might face much stronger opponents but its part of upgrading his career and might he will get back on his feet if he can able to go back and fight in his current weight class.

He is struggling to burn an average of 15-20 lbs in the Bantamweight division. Stepping up on the Featherweight division, he needs to burn an average of 10 lbs and maintained it which is also hard for him unless he will undergo a sauna lol.

It's not that easy to just decide to step up if he's not even in good shape in his current class. How can he defeat those guys there? Different to the plan of Naoya Inoue that he's already dominated the Bantamweight and thinking of moving up a weight class is reasonable as no reason to stay now at his current weight class.

Look at Donaire too, didn't bother to move up weight but instead, he specialized on his main forte as no need to force him to move up a weight. Discipline is the key and not being arrogant and that's what Casimero is lacking.

P.S As I said previously, I won't talk about Casimero here in this thread as he's out of the pictire here unless involving him with Inoue and Casimero.

[chaser15]

Most probably Inoue will just do the same thing he did on their previous match, or maybe do better about it so he can still defend his record of being undefeated. I’ve heard that this one is a trilogy so there’s a higher chance for Donaire to win over Inoue, he just need to focus on his strength and have a new strategy. This is very exciting match, will take the odds for Donaire on this one.

Yes, that could be the plan again. If his first strategy made him win against Donaire, he doesn't have to change anything but equip it with better preparation together with that strategy.
In most cases, those strategies that has been done will be repeated if it has been used to won against his opponent and that's why if it's just about defending his title. Better equipped with how he knew Donaire fights.

Yes, there's no need for any difference. Inoue will just improve his fighting style. The same goes for Nonito Donaire.

They both know each other already and have an idea of how they fight. It now matters who will be left standing after their hard exchange of fists.

Inoue has the advantage to win but Donaire won't just allow that to happen easily.

[South Park]

The only disadvantage of Donaire's age is his stamina not his speed nor power, no one can doubt that because his oxygen tank slowly depletes as he grow older and so does the other boxers. What he lacks is the stamina to go all the way until round 12 without getting so weary because Inoue can still dance in the late rounds and that's the time where Inoue will summon all his strengths to take down the aging Donaire, I agreee Donaire's only choice is to be more aggressive and more accurate in the punches in the early rounds.

It is such a shame that we do not get to see Donaire fighting at his prime otherwise this fight could have a great chance of becoming the fight of the year, but still it is nice that we get to see the fight happen at all, and without a doubt the biggest obstacle for Donaire to win this fight will be his stamina, Donaire needs to accumulate enough advantage over Inoue during the first 9 rounds of the fight and if he cannot do it then Inoue will most likely win the fight by taking advantage of his superior stamina.

[Oasisman]

Look at Donaire too, didn't bother to move up weight but instead, he specialized on his main forte as no need to force him to move up a weight. Discipline is the key and not being arrogant and that's what Casimero is lacking.

P.S As I said previously, I won't talk about Casimero here in this thread as he's out of the pictire here unless involving him with Inoue and Casimero.

Well, it's inevitable not to talk about Casimero in this thread since Inoue, Donaire, and him are like linked together in this current timeline. However, I'm starting to get disappointed with Casimero. He seems to lack of self discipline. He should step back a little bit in his engagement with the social media If he wants to become a better version of himself.
Inoue and Donaire are two classy fighter and doesn't need to hype or vlog everything they do unlike Casimero.