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July 09, 2021, 01:57:22 PM
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Poverty now will becoming a number one issue accross the globe...
This is not true. The pandemic caused inflation, and that is the prices of commodities are a tad higher than what it used to be, thus making cost of living slightly expensive, but that's not to say it did spread poverty in the manner you're putting it, maybe in underdeveloped countries that were living in poverty prior to the pandemic, maybe it made their economic situation worse, plus their corrupt government that tries to make wealth out of every situation, good or bad, if you put the poverty thing that way, then it becomes understandable, cause the world has definitely not been thrown into poverty cause of the pandemic, responsible governments are already employing economic measures to fight inflation and restore a bit of normalcy.

Having said that, I think the difference between developed countries and the underdeveloped ones is actually the desire to solve a problem when it arises, I mean since death is inevitable, why worry about it, you can try to solve many of the problems on earth and lead a somewhat comfortable life. For example, from your post:
Stealing, killing and other related criminal acts will become rampant. So, one must become ready and this is why I think that you yourself too should be ready and here are the things that you need to consider in getting ready to face death.
I don't know why you feel that will happen, but then if it will, your country should start to work on it's security, insecurity is the problem there, and not to start talking of preparing for death. Your ideology of facing the pandemic issues would actually create more problems than solve any, and they look more 'politics and society' related than 'economics' (the board you actually posted this).

I do agree with you. People living in underdeveloped countries have become poor not because of the pandemic per day but because their corrupt government have hoarded relief materials meant for her citizens. In these countries it is not uncommon to see that the state of insecurity and crimes would have skyrocket.

Vaccine or no vaccine death is inevitable. The question should be are you living a purposeful life, solving problems, helping your fellow humans and contributing your quota to make the world a better place?

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July 09, 2021, 03:09:28 PM
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I'm just a little dubious when it comes to getting vaccinated because of course there will be side effects later if it doesn't match our immune system, that's what I'm worried about.

Seeing from local news in my country there are many side effects after being vaccinated, from various body heat, vomiting, convulsions and also the body becomes weak and paralyzed, I am even horrified to see this news but will this be guaranteed by the government after many vaccinations later?

I think what needs to be done is just to maintain a healthy body pattern and maintain immunity.

After a long consideration, I have been vaccinated when I have cough. I dont feel anything but based on people said for the first vaccine Sinovac, There is no reaction for body and the second vaccine has given the reactions for them. Now, I feel nothing maybe because of the first vaccine, in the next who knows. But I'll hope everything gonna be fine.
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July 09, 2021, 06:20:07 PM
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Taking the vaccine is not as serious as you think cause many persons had taken and still alive so why are you now putting it as if taking it will kill the person. Although whether one take it or not, we are still going to die which is certain but sometimes prevention is better than cure, so is the reason why we need to get vaccinate to obstruct further regret.


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July 09, 2021, 06:39:50 PM
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Yes. It is important to be vaccinated. It is our protection against the deadly virus. Though it is not 100% fully protected, still, you will not develop serious illness if you get infected. You will still be infected but it will be just mild. I, myself, want to be vaccinated but I have lots of allergies, I first have to consult my doctor and get a medical clearance prior to vaccination. I am hypersensitive so I"ll ask my doctor first if it is okay for me to get vaccinated. For now, I am extra careful, i do doubdle masking and distancing myself to other people to make sure i didnt go close contact with other people.
It is very necessary if there is something symptomatic in you it can only be doctor's permission or not to be vaccinated, but in my opinion if you have more symptoms, especially allergies, it is better not to be vaccinated before fully recovering and this can trigger a reaction later, I'm afraid there will be side effects to be suffered.
Actually, maintaining a healthy pattern is also good on a regular basis, but with vaccination it may be much better to improve your body, but everyone must have different symptoms, it would be better before the vaccine first check with the doctor.

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July 10, 2021, 08:47:11 PM
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I am okay with that but what makes me disgusted is that the vaccines seems like being traded and not freely distributed. I think all countries should help the production of the vaccines and they should not buy it. In my opinion, in the name of humanity, the companies who produce the vaccines should not take a profit from it. I think it will be better if countries only pay the production cost only then the vaccines should freely distributed to the citizens. Or I think vaccines should not be patended so every country can produce it freely, for me that is the part of humanity.
Don't expect for this thing to happen.This is becoming a business and theres no such thing about free distribution knowing about the cost of creating vaccine is already an expense and yes it does sounds
bad but its just a typical thing.

Pharmaceuticals will really be charging up something or selling it simply.Try to look on how many companies had tried out to create one of this corona virus pandemic?

We have hear out some rumors about business taking which Im not really surprised at all.
We may like it or not but at the end of the day healthcare is an industry and they need to generate profits like any other industry, the moral thing to do would be for them to release the patent of the vaccine and allow other companies to produce it but this is not going to happen as those laboratories invested a huge amount of money to develop the vaccine in the first place, so for the time being we have no other option but to wait until the day we can get access to the vaccine so we can be free from this nightmare that has lasted for more than a year.
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July 11, 2021, 12:26:55 PM
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If you don't want to be vaccinated then you might want to not share the fact because what's the point, you will only make more people get misinformed. Dying is inevitable but that doesn't mean that you don't have to enjoy life and not get vaccinated plus the vaccine isn't for you, it's for the vulnerable population to get carried by herd immunity.

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July 11, 2021, 01:25:51 PM
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1. Believe in a superpowers (God), this world is created to it that even science could not comprehend how the universe is being made. Meaning there is God but we do not know how he works but we should believe in the creator. In thay way facing death knowing that there is a creator and he will surely going to take care of you after death.

This is quite true but we also need to do what we need to do to prolong our lives at least keeping ourselves happy helps our health to get better especially good functioning of the heart. We need to know that heaven will help does who help themselves. God also made herbs where every continent draws from for treatment of whatever illness and it was said in Daniel 12:4 ".... and knowledge shall be increased".

God has all and that is where even science and technology rely on. God owns everything humanity is enjoying today.

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July 13, 2021, 10:18:02 PM
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Business will always be business. It will not stop making returns since it also start with huge capital particularly for the vaccines that should be acquired by the government. The government should be the one to pay for it and it should be distributed freely to its citizens.

Vaccines does not guarantee that you won't be covid free for the rest of your life. There are still chances that you will be covid 19 positive but you will only experience mild symptoms unlike those who never got vaccinated and this virus will always be a big threat for their health.
This is true, I know that many people do not like the fact that so much money is being paid to the pharmaceutical industry but think about it without them and the vaccines that were created we will be in an even worse shape than what we are now, so if they are going to make a fortune in the process it was inevitable as the vaccines are probably right now the most sought item around the world and this always means profits for the one that can supply such product.
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July 13, 2021, 10:31:24 PM
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Business will always be business. It will not stop making returns since it also start with huge capital particularly for the vaccines that should be acquired by the government. The government should be the one to pay for it and it should be distributed freely to its citizens.

Vaccines does not guarantee that you won't be covid free for the rest of your life. There are still chances that you will be covid 19 positive but you will only experience mild symptoms unlike those who never got vaccinated and this virus will always be a big threat for their health.
This is true, I know that many people do not like the fact that so much money is being paid to the pharmaceutical industry but think about it without them and the vaccines that were created we will be in an even worse shape than what we are now, so if they are going to make a fortune in the process it was inevitable as the vaccines are probably right now the most sought item around the world and this always means profits for the one that can supply such product.
People cant really just accept the fact that everything on this world isnt free and creating vaccine does really have expense.We dont know if those are just really good for business or really mindful on getting rid with the virus but so far its really helping out people but nothing is assured in terms of 100% efficacy so we should be still careful.

Its still up to someone to decide whether they do like to take a shot or would just simply on hold because they are still hesitating because of the possible side effects that could happen.

We do have different minds and opinions about on things on this world and lets just accept about that business thing because it would be always existing no matter what.

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July 13, 2021, 11:16:41 PM
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Business will always be business. It will not stop making returns since it also start with huge capital particularly for the vaccines that should be acquired by the government. The government should be the one to pay for it and it should be distributed freely to its citizens.

Vaccines does not guarantee that you won't be covid free for the rest of your life. There are still chances that you will be covid 19 positive but you will only experience mild symptoms unlike those who never got vaccinated and this virus will always be a big threat for their health.
This is true, I know that many people do not like the fact that so much money is being paid to the pharmaceutical industry but think about it without them and the vaccines that were created we will be in an even worse shape than what we are now, so if they are going to make a fortune in the process it was inevitable as the vaccines are probably right now the most sought item around the world and this always means profits for the one that can supply such product.
People cant really just accept the fact that everything on this world isnt free and creating vaccine does really have expense.We dont know if those are just really good for business or really mindful on getting rid with the virus but so far its really helping out people but nothing is assured in terms of 100% efficacy so we should be still careful.

Its still up to someone to decide whether they do like to take a shot or would just simply on hold because they are still hesitating because of the possible side effects that could happen.

We do have different minds and opinions about on things on this world and lets just accept about that business thing because it would be always existing no matter what.
There is nothing wrong in paying a fair price for the vaccine and its development, as you said everything has a cost. The issue here in my country is that middlemen between the government and the vaccines' sellers were receiving bribery to finish the deal in order to supply the country with the vaccines. It's all under investigation yet, but it was said these middlemen were charging 1 dollar per shot.
That is a lot of money, but it isn't a surprise for me, because it was already known something like this would happen, since the government allied themselves with lots of thieves of political world to guarantee support at the legislative house.

Furthermore, we never know if the vaccines are really legit since we are being ruled by thieves. Someone who charges 1 dollar in bribery per shot can also vaccinate people with water and say it's vaccine.

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July 13, 2021, 11:17:00 PM
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We may like it or not but at the end of the day healthcare is an industry and they need to generate profits like any other industry, the moral thing to do would be for them to release the patent of the vaccine and allow other companies to produce it but this is not going to happen as those laboratories invested a huge amount of money to develop the vaccine in the first place, so for the time being we have no other option but to wait until the day we can get access to the vaccine so we can be free from this nightmare that has lasted for more than a year.
First of all, the mRNA vaccine technology is complex and involves a lot of steps, not all of which were developed by the same laboratory or company, so the whole process of releasing the patent would be very complicated.

Secondly, there's no moral reason for the companies to share the technology. A number of manufacturers already produce the vaccine in large amounts and the only limitation that stands between the access to the vaccine and the company is the government, which is responsible for acquiring these vaccines.

So it's not like the companies are holding the vaccines to themselves and not letting people have it - it's rather the governments being irresponsible about the healthcare and wellbeing of their nation, because, as we can see, in civilized countries there's no problem with the vaccine if they run lotteries for millions of dollars just to encourage people to take a shot. On the other hand, we see a great flaw in the healthcare of developing countries, because, probably, instead of directing the money from taxes to health reserves for such occasions as we have now, they've been stealing that money or allocating improperly. And, believe me, letting those countries making their own vaccine with the same technology bought from the other companies wouldn't do them any good, because they'd still be required to pass a set of licensing and certifications, which could take forever, and the end result might not be that good.
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July 14, 2021, 06:30:19 PM
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Well, because of covid19 many had been struggling in able survive even if it means that not following the minimum health standard protocols against covid19. This the reality of what has been happening around especially in poorer countries. But what can we do? I myself too strugling to survive.

Do what we are born to do, strive to survive. It's better to die at least when you are trying to live than die without trying. Less complain.

Poverty now will becoming a number one issue accross the globe and surely will becoming a major problem that will cause criminal activities. We all know poverty is already listed as top major problems around the world and  this pandemic will add this poverty issue. It has been discussed already here where I read a certain threas regarding the increase the price of basic commodities. This is really a chaos due to poverty that will result and encourage to do criminal activities.

Poverty is already there and has been an issue since the start of civilization. Pandemic has stricken the whole world and caught every nation off guard. To those, 3rd world countries it's already given Chaos, criminal acts and etc. It will never change and poverty is just a factor to do such acts but what most scarier than poverty? It's Greed, we were born greedy and selfish. But we are as well, given a gift by (God) which is wisdom. To know what is right and wrong.


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Got myself vaccinated not only for myself but also for my family. Well, it took me some time before getting vaccinated. I research and gather enough information formation to convenience myself. But yeah, injecting a self-inflicting or dead virus to fight off a virus sounds absurd. Being extra cautious going outside and careful not to spend too long within crowded areas are not enough to avoid this Covid.

Lucky for us even though we are in a 3rd world country, our Government still provided free vaccines to its people.

Even though that the vaccines available in the market are still in a trial and error phase. It seems to be somehow effective, on those old variants of the virus. Though, let's just make clear that being vaccinated will NOT be a ticket to immunity to the virus. We can still contract the virus but with a lesser effect or not as destructive compare to those unvaccinated.

But let us not forget, that every vaccine have its own side effects. Do your own research, to which vaccine your body can take.
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July 15, 2021, 11:45:58 AM
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Well, because of covid19 many had been struggling in able survive even if it means that not following the minimum health standard protocols against covid19. This the reality of what has been happening around especially in poorer countries. But what can we do? I myself too strugling to survive.

Poverty now will becoming a number one issue accross the globe and surely will becoming a major problem that will cause criminal activities. We all know poverty is already listed as top major problems around the world and  this pandemic will add this poverty issue. It has been discussed already here where I read a certain threas regarding the increase the price of basic commodities. This is really a chaos due to poverty that will result and encourage to do criminal activities.

Stealing, killing and other related criminal acts will become rampant. So, one must become ready and this is why I think that you yourself too should be ready and here are the things that you need to consider in getting ready to face death.

1. Believe in a superpowers (God), this world is created to it that even science could not comprehend how the universe is being made. Meaning there is God but we do not know how he works but we should believe in the creator. In thay way facing death knowing that there is a creator and he will surely going to take care of you after death.

2. Leave all your financial assets and trust it to your family or closed one especially your BTC. They can't get your BTC once you die accidentally.

3. Forgive all the people that hurt you and ask forgiveness rhe people you hurt. They will going to remember you of all your good deeds once you die.

4. Give more quality time to people that are closed to you. You can't turn back time so spend it wisely as they say that "Time is Gold".

5. Spend your money wisely not by purchasing luxuries in life but only the need and don't forget to share if you have some extra resources to spare to others.

In this way, if death will become invetable to you then you had already enjoyed life and that you had done wonderful things to yourself and to others. Therefore you can freely accept death in good faith.

Life is wonderful and precious so take care of it and avoid things that can destroy life. This covid19 and pandemic could be avoided by practicing minimum health standard protocol and taking the vaccines. Vaccines can possibly end this pandemic and we can live to a normal life again. Let us help fight the pandemic by getting vaccine.

Are you willing to be vaccinated?



The covid-19 pandemic surely brought a lot of challenges to majority of us. The pandemic took a toll even on the most powerful country. No one was exempted to its negative effects and to the repercussions of not being ready and prepared enough. Inflation happened to most countries during the peak of covid-19 due to lack of resources most especially to the poor countries. A lot of people struggled and are still struggling up until this date to make the ends meet and bring food onto their tables. I agree that some people really did make few illegal activities just to survive. However, the crime rates have also varying result from one place.

According to what I've read, the crime rate related to robbery and theft indeed arose because there are a lot of people who lost their jobs and they opted to steal due to hunger and other needs such as medical reasons. However, this kind of information isn't enough for you to bother and worry so much to your death. I just don't see the point of listing the things you must do before you die. I see no connection at all. If you will follow the safety protocols and stay at home as much as you can if you are not working, then you have a little to be worried about dying of murder. If I must add, according to an article, the crime rate related to murder did in fact decrease because of strict health measures imposed by the government such as lockdowns.

And to answer your question, yes, I am willing to be vaccinated if the opportunity comes. As of now, there is ongoing registration of vaccines from our local government unit. However, a lot of people have registered, so they need to be accommodated first, most especially the senior citizens and those people with comorbidities. After them, the people who registered recently will be scheduled for their first dose. To be honest, I'm really skeptical at first because I have read news about the vaccine's negative side effects. But now, I am convinced that in order to combat covid-19, we must be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. Just like how we conquered the past pandemics and plagues that has happened before.
 

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August 19, 2021, 01:38:46 PM
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Life is wonderful and precious so take care of it and avoid things that can destroy life. This covid19 and pandemic could be avoided by practicing minimum health standard protocol and taking the vaccines. Vaccines can possibly end this pandemic and we can live to a normal life again. Let us help fight the pandemic by getting vaccine.

Are you willing to be vaccinated?


Yes I am willing but as the time goes by, and there are news that some people died because of the vaccine makes me think twice but still I think the safer way is to be vaccinated.

This pandemic really takes many lifes, make people live in hardships, many loss their job, some people dont' know how to survive and are losing hope. Then I think what extends this pandemic is because of the people too. Lack of discipline, does'nt follow health protocol so it was great that a vaccine was invented already.

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August 19, 2021, 02:20:10 PM
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I'm not a dumbass so I would still get vaccinated anyways, it's science so how can you exactly doubt that, if you remove science and all the research regarding science, it will still remain the same thing because it's a true and it's in the nature so nothing can change that. So to everyone who's scared of vaccinations and are spreading lies that vaccines kills, it doesn't and you only look like a clown doing that.
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August 19, 2021, 03:02:29 PM
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I would urge everyone to read more, about everything. Good content on vaccines is hard to find but it is out there. mRNA vaccines were not FDA approved in the united states until 2018. Nano lipids were not FDA approved until 2016. There were short timeframes associated with vaccine testing and its underpinning technology.

Nanolipids are just a drug delivery mechanism, so even if you believed there were some adverse effects of the vaccine, the chance that nanolipids have debilitating side effects are slim to none. I get the concern for mRNA vaccines because the side effects aren't completely examined, but the benefits outweigh the risks if you have preexisting conditions or are over 75 years old.

Bill Gates has always been a hippie pro-vaccination'er, so it's not suspect to me why he's become the face of the Covid-19 vaccine. It's a bit odd though, the same folks that tell you not to listen to the non-scientists will put Bill Gates on tv screens to convince everyone to get vaccinated. I see why there's hesitancy.
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August 19, 2021, 03:07:46 PM
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Life is wonderful and precious so take care of it and avoid things that can destroy life. This covid19 and pandemic could be avoided by practicing minimum health standard protocol and taking the vaccines. Vaccines can possibly end this pandemic and we can live to a normal life again. Let us help fight the pandemic by getting vaccine.

Are you willing to be vaccinated?


Yes I am willing but as the time goes by, and there are news that some people died because of the vaccine makes me think twice but still I think the safer way is to be vaccinated.

This pandemic really takes many lifes, make people live in hardships, many loss their job, some people dont' know how to survive and are losing hope. Then I think what extends this pandemic is because of the people too. Lack of discipline, does'nt follow health protocol so it was great that a vaccine was invented already.

- Underlying and pre-existing diseases are particularly likely to lead to adverse events and increased mortality when vaccinated, so these days, the medical team is constantly asking these private questions and making decisions and advice before they vaccinate, with such simple procedures, those who are vaccinated also become somewhat reassured. However, some recent problems are holding many people back from vaccination as they are uncomfortable with vaccines originating in China.


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August 19, 2021, 03:43:49 PM
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2. Leave all your financial assets and trust it to your family or closed one especially your BTC. They can't get your BTC once you die accidentally.

I think this point that you raised deserves to be seen specifically.

The problem with BTC unlike in any other investment instruments available, once a person passes away, all of his remaining BTC would be stored in storages forever. The only way in order to gain access to it is by having the private key- in which the owner has it. Without it, those BTCs are locked forever. That is why, always have a contingency especially if you are holding large amounts of BTCs.
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I think this point that you raised deserves to be seen specifically.

The problem with BTC unlike in any other investment instruments available, once a person passes away, all of his remaining BTC would be stored in storages forever. The only way in order to gain access to it is by having the private key- in which the owner has it. Without it, those BTCs are locked forever. That is why, always have a contingency especially if you are holding large amounts of BTCs.
The greater the number of bitcoin a given individual has, the greater the responsibility to keep them safe including thinking about how someone from his or her family can use bitcoin after he or she dies. It is a form of personal awareness of every bitcoin holder whether they will leave all their asset frozen or they want to pass it on to the family. They also have the right to inherit the private key as soon as possible or arrange another best way so that one of the family members can access the wallet after he dies.

The point you quoted are point that every holder of bitcoin and other crypto asset should consider. There are many ways that forum users have outlined in the context of inheriting ownership of asset, I think they are very useful. Apart from all that, it is the right of every individual how to manage it properly and correctly without any risk that can harm him unexpectedly.

OP, I have taken two doses in the last 3 months and now a third dose of a different drug has been recommended and applied in several place. The third dose may only target workers in public services such as hospitals, police, army and some others. For the general public, it is only 2 doses. But it's true I'm not sure this vaccine can prevent covid and break the chain of spread. The reason, many vaccine recipients are still infected.

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August 19, 2021, 04:38:11 PM
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2. Leave all your financial assets and trust it to your family or closed one especially your BTC. They can't get your BTC once you die accidentally.

I think this point that you raised deserves to be seen specifically.

The problem with BTC unlike in any other investment instruments available, once a person passes away, all of his remaining BTC would be stored in storages forever. The only way in order to gain access to it is by having the private key- in which the owner has it. Without it, those BTCs are locked forever. That is why, always have a contingency especially if you are holding large amounts of BTCs.

When it comes to inheritance then you should really obliged yourself on able to save up or make out some arrangement on how you gonna secure it incase you do pass away.Crypto is something that cant be passed once they dont know about the keys of such wallet and theres no way that you would able to access it. We all do gonna die because we arent that immortal and that time is unknown neither you do die from accident or die from disease or die from any other possible reason. For now i didnt consider on letting myself getting some vaccine shot.Why? im afraid with the side effects and i would rather  choose to die than on hitting that small probability of
dying about those vaccine issues.

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