ESports betting -CS:GO, DOTA 2, LOL, Valorant - discussion thread

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Less than 2 days left though before the tournament to start and their match up will take longer to wait. I like the format on this group stage is that because it's a bo3.

I was able to follow the matches earlier, and I can already see these four winning teams would be the last four to survive in the playoffs.  

To the other teams, it's just a matter of avoiding a 0-4 series score so you don't get last place, because either way, if you finish 3rd or 4th place in the groups, you're still fucked by the tier one teams in the other group.

I agree. It's already on the third day and the records are already showing some results on which teams are likely to get eliminated soon. And as usual, Parivision and Team Yandex are the top teams for different groups. I think tournament organizers are always putting them on different bracket on the group stages, they should try to put them in the same group to see some breakage of group stages record.

[ralle14]

There aren't many surprises on day two of the Worlds Swiss stage, but it's interesting how T1 fell short against DK. With today's matchups, I think it's safe to say DK and Gen.G are the first two teams to secure a playoff spot.

I agree. It's already on the third day and the records are already showing some results on which teams are likely to get eliminated soon. And as usual, Parivision and Team Yandex are the top teams for different groups. I think tournament organizers are always putting them on different bracket on the group stages, they should try to put them in the same group to see some breakage of group stages record.

There's still Team Spirit on Group B with Parivision, so at least that makes a banger match on the last day of the groups. In Group A, it could've been a good tiebreaker between Liquid and Yandex for first place, but losing that match against GL now makes it less interesting.

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I agree. It's already on the third day and the records are already showing some results on which teams are likely to get eliminated soon. And as usual, Parivision and Team Yandex are the top teams for different groups. I think tournament organizers are always putting them on different bracket on the group stages, they should try to put them in the same group to see some breakage of group stages record.

There's still Team Spirit on Group B with Parivision, so at least that makes a banger match on the last day of the groups. In Group A, it could've been a good tiebreaker between Liquid and Yandex for first place, but losing that match against GL now makes it less interesting.

They'll face tomorrow but whichever loses on that match, both of them are already going to the play offs. Right now, both of them have the 3-0 record. And it's already been concluded that all teams except BetBoom and 1win are no longer going to participate in the playoffs, they're eliminated despite that BB has a game tomorrow. With the performance of Liquid lately, I think that they're going to be no match against Yandex not particularly for their game tomorrow but even it reaches to the playoffs and they face again there.

[ralle14]

As expected DK and Gen.G got their playoff spots after day three. The LPL teams also bounced back after IG and TES beat HLE and G2 in the 1-1 bracket. That 1-2 bracket is getting spicy with HLE and G2 waiting down there, and the winner of today's elimination matches is cooked given they'll have a chance to draw one of them in the next round.

And it's already been concluded that all teams except BetBoom and 1win are no longer going to participate in the playoffs, they're eliminated despite that BB has a game tomorrow. With the performance of Liquid lately, I think that they're going to be no match against Yandex not particularly for their game tomorrow but even it reaches to the playoffs and they face again there.

Wait, how is BetBoom already eliminated when they still have one more match today? Or am I missing something? If they win today, they could still force a three-way tiebreaker with Legion and Astra, who are only holding on because of their one series win.

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If BetBoom wins their match against NAVI right now, they will match the record of Legion and Astra (1 win). That will force a three-way tiebreaker (or whatever tiebreaker rules the tournament uses, like head-to-head or Buchholz/map diff) for the last spot.
It's only over after the match is done. A team is only eliminated when it's mathematically impossible to catch up, even with a win. As long as the game isn't played (or lost), the chance is still alive.
And Navi is getting destroyed by BetBoom right now... man, what happened to this team! 

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And it's already been concluded that all teams except BetBoom and 1win are no longer going to participate in the playoffs, they're eliminated despite that BB has a game tomorrow. With the performance of Liquid lately, I think that they're going to be no match against Yandex not particularly for their game tomorrow but even it reaches to the playoffs and they face again there.

Wait, how is BetBoom already eliminated when they still have one more match today? Or am I missing something? If they win today, they could still force a three-way tiebreaker with Legion and Astra, who are only holding on because of their one series win.

You're right, my calculation is wrong and assumed that Legion and Astra got a better standing. But this is a do or die for BB right now as they're playing against Legion. If BB wins, they're going to be tied with Legion for having both standings of 1-3 with Astra Invicta. And if BB lose on this series with Legion, it's all done and every team proceeds to the playoffs. The game is currently played for their first map.

[ralle14]

If BetBoom wins their match against NAVI right now, they will match the record of Legion and Astra (1 win). That will force a three-way tiebreaker (or whatever tiebreaker rules the tournament uses, like head-to-head or Buchholz/map diff) for the last spot.
It's only over after the match is done. A team is only eliminated when it's mathematically impossible to catch up, even with a win. As long as the game isn't played (or lost), the chance is still alive.
And Navi is getting destroyed by BetBoom right now... man, what happened to this team! 

We were referring to the Dota tournament and not the CS2 side since that squad is doing the opposite of their Dota squad. NaVi getting rolled by BetBoom is just expected since they've been falling off, while BetBoom has been improving after placing second in the Thunderpick tournament.

You're right, my calculation is wrong and assumed that Legion and Astra got a better standing. But this is a do or die for BB right now as they're playing against Legion. If BB wins, they're going to be tied with Legion for having both standings of 1-3 with Astra Invicta. And if BB lose on this series with Legion, it's all done and every team proceeds to the playoffs. The game is currently played for their first map.

It looks like that tiebreaker will happen tomorrow, as BetBoom finally woke up with that much needed 2-0 win against Legion.

At least this removes the break day for us, and I think the winner of this tiebreak will be crucial because one of them can face GamerLegion, which is a beatable team compared to Liquid.

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LoL worlds swiss stage starting today-



Korean teams are once again top 3 favorites-



Dont see much value in geng with how much they choke at worlds like every year, maybe HLE or BLG worth a shot. Even AL i can work with at 10x, never know which team gets hot 

Well i couldnt have been more wrong 

AL were 5th favorite to win but they go out from swiss 0-3 after losing yesterday 0-2 to Liquid from NA 

Really terrible performance, makes me think some internal issues in their team. Would be very surprising if they dont make major changes

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Well i couldnt have been more wrong 

AL were 5th favorite to win but they go out from swiss 0-3 after losing yesterday 0-2 to Liquid from NA 

Really terrible performance, makes me think some internal issues in their team. Would be very surprising if they dont make major changes

They got nerfed by missing one of their coaches due to visa issues, but at the same time you have TES doing the impossible with a substitute top laner and coach.

Still, Liquid is a team not to be underestimated as some of their players competed in the LCK at some point.

The draw for the next round cooked some of the EU teams. T1 somehow got KOI again just like last year for the qualification spot, and there's G2 up against HLE in the elimination match.

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You're right, my calculation is wrong and assumed that Legion and Astra got a better standing. But this is a do or die for BB right now as they're playing against Legion. If BB wins, they're going to be tied with Legion for having both standings of 1-3 with Astra Invicta. And if BB lose on this series with Legion, it's all done and every team proceeds to the playoffs. The game is currently played for their first map.

It looks like that tiebreaker will happen tomorrow, as BetBoom finally woke up with that much needed 2-0 win against Legion.

At least this removes the break day for us, and I think the winner of this tiebreak will be crucial because one of them can face GamerLegion, which is a beatable team compared to Liquid.

BetBoom got eliminated, now everyone feels that they can't win without gpk. That transition of save from position 4 to position 2 doesn't work well. Or as we too early to judge them, I don't think so. They need gpk back if they want to get back on their feet and be part of those high finishes again. I am currently watching OG and Team Spirit on the third map, I think that this yatoro outworld devourer won't really work or they're practicing it for bigger coming tournaments.

[ralle14]

BetBoom got eliminated, now everyone feels that they can't win without gpk. That transition of save from position 4 to position 2 doesn't work well. Or as we too early to judge them, I don't think so. They need gpk back if they want to get back on their feet and be part of those high finishes again. I am currently watching OG and Team Spirit on the third map, I think that this yatoro outworld devourer won't really work or they're practicing it for bigger coming tournaments.

True, we saw them face the same struggles back in the recent Blast Slam and Save lacks the hero pool for better mid picks. It'll be a while before some players come back from their break because TI is still 6+ months away, and the next DreamLeague season starts around December.

It's great for some teams to rack up trophies and secure their chances early for the direct invites, but the real season IMO starts in the next few months.

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BetBoom got eliminated, now everyone feels that they can't win without gpk. That transition of save from position 4 to position 2 doesn't work well. Or as we too early to judge them, I don't think so. They need gpk back if they want to get back on their feet and be part of those high finishes again. I am currently watching OG and Team Spirit on the third map, I think that this yatoro outworld devourer won't really work or they're practicing it for bigger coming tournaments.

True, we saw them face the same struggles back in the recent Blast Slam and Save lacks the hero pool for better mid picks. It'll be a while before some players come back from their break because TI is still 6+ months away, and the next DreamLeague season starts around December.

It's great for some teams to rack up trophies and secure their chances early for the direct invites, but the real season IMO starts in the next few months.

Save lacks of those good pick offs compared to gpk, he's good at decision making and has a huge hero pool. Did save played an ember game?I haven't seen one or I missed that. While I agree, these tournaments that they are participating are good stepping stones in secure those direct invites. It's hard to compete in the qualifiers and that's where many of these orgs/teams fall off. Ramzes dropped some info that PGL won't have the same name, he's invited to cast that game and what would it be, some changes might be coming too.

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Well i couldnt have been more wrong 

AL were 5th favorite to win but they go out from swiss 0-3 after losing yesterday 0-2 to Liquid from NA 

Really terrible performance, makes me think some internal issues in their team. Would be very surprising if they dont make major changes

They got nerfed by missing one of their coaches due to visa issues, but at the same time you have TES doing the impossible with a substitute top laner and coach.

Still, Liquid is a team not to be underestimated as some of their players competed in the LCK at some point.

The draw for the next round cooked some of the EU teams. T1 somehow got KOI again just like last year for the qualification spot, and there's G2 up against HLE in the elimination match.

Koi - t1 was a no contest, map 1 was little surprise with T1 not looking as good, but map 2 was never ever close and utter stomp.

2-0 to 2-3 reality looking stronger for lyon now, losing 2-1 to IG. Games werent really good as all 3 maps were almost one sided and not entertaining. Seems IG trolled draft a little in map 2 otherwise should've been easy 2-0

I think todays games will be closer, but still favorites should win. CFO can give KC a fight and TES as well can step it up vs BLG. Anythings better than yesterday really 

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I think todays games will be closer, but still favorites should win. CFO can give KC a fight and TES as well can step it up vs BLG. Anythings better than yesterday really 

In that first map, T1 were trolling a bit, but they nailed it down in the second map. For the other series, IG was like turning back time because I didn't expect them to be the first LPL team to make it in the playoffs.

We almost had a six game match today, sucks that the tech pause ruined CFO's momentum and gave KC a way back to finish the series 2-0.

The BLG match was a banger, as TES defied the odds again. The 2-0 win was close to coming home for BLG, but that one overstep back at the Baron pit cost them game two and in game three, they're playing so desperate. HLE vs BLG would go crazy in round five if they get to draw them.

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EPL masters III are being played right now. So after the Pari Universe, we're going here with the playoffs on going. I chose only one match for today and that's with OG and Yellow Submarine. IIRC, Yellow Submarine is own by k0rb3n and is also affiliated with Team Spirit's management aside from their own academy. Batyuk came from this team but I only bet for the total maps for this match and I went under @1.50. Hope I am right with this bet.

[ralle14]

The knockout stages were set a few days ago, and it's a bit unreal that BLG sent HLE home in the last round, since I thought the opposite would happen after their performance against TES. These matchups are cooking, we could potentially have a T1-BLG/DK in the semis and in the other side it could be Gen.G-IG unless TES goes demonic again.

EPL masters III are being played right now. So after the Pari Universe, we're going here with the playoffs on going. I chose only one match for today and that's with OG and Yellow Submarine. IIRC, Yellow Submarine is own by k0rb3n and is also affiliated with Team Spirit's management aside from their own academy. Batyuk came from this team but I only bet for the total maps for this match and I went under @1.50. Hope I am right with this bet.

With OG showing a bit of improvement from the Pari tournament this should be a 2-0 for them. Yellow Submarine still has some familiar names on their roster, but I wasn't impressed with rincyq when I watched him stand-in for Micke in one of Liquid's matches.

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EPL masters III are being played right now. So after the Pari Universe, we're going here with the playoffs on going. I chose only one match for today and that's with OG and Yellow Submarine. IIRC, Yellow Submarine is own by k0rb3n and is also affiliated with Team Spirit's management aside from their own academy. Batyuk came from this team but I only bet for the total maps for this match and I went under @1.50. Hope I am right with this bet.

With OG showing a bit of improvement from the Pari tournament this should be a 2-0 for them. Yellow Submarine still has some familiar names on their roster, but I wasn't impressed with rincyq when I watched him stand-in for Micke in one of Liquid's matches.

Topson is really right, they can beat any top team but they can also be beaten by any team. OG lost to Yellow Submarine with a 2-0 on that series. Rincyq did just fine on this series and I think that this team needs to be consistent so they would move from being a tier 2 in becoming a tier 1. OG is about to face LEGION on the lower bracket.

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Topson is really right, they can beat any top team but they can also be beaten by any team. OG lost to Yellow Submarine with a 2-0 on that series. Rincyq did just fine on this series and I think that this team needs to be consistent so they would move from being a tier 2 in becoming a tier 1. OG is about to face LEGION on the lower bracket.

Playing against weaker teams can be scary because their unpredictability can catch stronger teams off guard, and OG got a taste of their own medicine.  

At least they held on against Legion and will probably face the loser of the NaVi-GamerLegion series. This next match might be the hardest part of their run since they've been losing to GamerLegion in the past few days, and NaVi are no slouches.

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Topson is really right, they can beat any top team but they can also be beaten by any team. OG lost to Yellow Submarine with a 2-0 on that series. Rincyq did just fine on this series and I think that this team needs to be consistent so they would move from being a tier 2 in becoming a tier 1. OG is about to face LEGION on the lower bracket.

Playing against weaker teams can be scary because their unpredictability can catch stronger teams off guard, and OG got a taste of their own medicine.  

This is true, their coach can get data of how their past games have been and get some ideas of their usual heroes. But the weaker teams are not literally weak at all, they all have the same knowledge of the game but their IQs are different.

At least they held on against Legion and will probably face the loser of the NaVi-GamerLegion series. This next match might be the hardest part of their run since they've been losing to GamerLegion in the past few days, and NaVi are no slouches.

I thought that Legion will get them on that but the third map was no mercy for OG. As for the next match, I've already made a bet with GamerLegion against NaVi. I guess it's worth to put some risk with GL.

[rohang]

The knockout stages were set a few days ago, and it's a bit unreal that BLG sent HLE home in the last round, since I thought the opposite would happen after their performance against TES. These matchups are cooking, we could potentially have a T1-BLG/DK in the semis and in the other side it could be Gen.G-IG unless TES goes demonic again.

EPL masters III are being played right now. So after the Pari Universe, we're going here with the playoffs on going. I chose only one match for today and that's with OG and Yellow Submarine. IIRC, Yellow Submarine is own by k0rb3n and is also affiliated with Team Spirit's management aside from their own academy. Batyuk came from this team but I only bet for the total maps for this match and I went under @1.50. Hope I am right with this bet.

With OG showing a bit of improvement from the Pari tournament this should be a 2-0 for them. Yellow Submarine still has some familiar names on their roster, but I wasn't impressed with rincyq when I watched him stand-in for Micke in one of Liquid's matches.

For me surprising victory for IG over TES 3-1, and even the map TES won was almost won by IG except for heroics by 369, saving the game in a 1v3 situation when IG was going for the end

Today Geng vs Lyon and anything but a 3-0 for geng will be a upset, however i do think lyon will make every map close and just maybe have a bigger than small chance to do something huge here. Especially considering Geng history of worlds performances.