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August 15, 2021, 11:49:11 AM
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Alot of people have no trust for government, especially when the party in power is not one they voted for.  In this way its quite normal for at least half of a country to question anything stated by an opposing power to which they believe in.   The unfortunate problem is when knowledge is lost because of distrust and the state is not independent of any corruption by various ideologies that create noise in any news.  Its not rare, the world all over has this dynamic.

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August 15, 2021, 12:08:26 PM
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Alot of people have no trust for government, especially when the party in power is not one they voted for.  In this way its quite normal for at least half of a country to question anything stated by an opposing power to which they believe in.   The unfortunate problem is when knowledge is lost because of distrust and the state is not independent of any corruption by various ideologies that create noise in any news.  Its not rare, the world all over has this dynamic.
it is normal to have Opposition in every government because this separate the decision making towards anticipating others more than the favor . but the thing here is we are talking about lives in which being spared because of ignorance of the vaccine.
and also listening to those spreads wrong information in regards to the effect and benefits of the virus.
but what i see here is why would person need to take the vaccine just to join the lottery ? this is only fooling people because we knew how hard to even win in lottery lol.

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August 15, 2021, 12:30:05 PM
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why would person need to take the vaccine just to join the lottery ? this is only fooling people because we knew how hard to even win in lottery lol.

It is so fucking stupid, I wonder if anybody got vaccinated just because there was a lottery going on.

This is just like how Biden offered $100 to those who are willing to take the vaccine. They are laughing at your face, they are insulting you and people are actually OK with this.

Now they named a price, I guess we can start negotiating. The opening bid was $100 from Biden in USA and its a lottery ticket in Poland.

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August 15, 2021, 12:41:33 PM
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It is so fucking stupid, I wonder if anybody got vaccinated just because there was a lottery going on.

This is just like how Biden offered $100 to those who are willing to take the vaccine. They are laughing at your face, they are insulting you and people are actually OK with this.

Now they named a price, I guess we can start negotiating. The opening bid was $100 from Biden in USA and its a lottery ticket in Poland.

I have to disagree with you. I know people who would be encouraged to take the vaccine, if a lottery ticket is being given as a complimentary gift. Those who are stubbornly against the vaccine would refuse anyway, but these steps will encourage a lot of those who are on the fence. A few months back, there was a similar measure in the US state of Ohio. And the results were very encouraging. After the lottery ("Vax a million") was announced, there was a steep jump in daily vaccination rates and it helped the vaccination rate in Ohio to surpass the national average. 
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August 15, 2021, 01:20:11 PM
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Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who decide not to get a vaccination. I don't really understand what's going on with those people. The pandemic will never end because of them. They are egoists. Have no other word for it. Unless due to circumstances they can't make it.
And that's why countries like Poland and other countries are encouraging and giving them a free thing to take if they take the vaccine.

It's a matter of mind set by the government and also by those people who care for the welfare of others.

I think it's not about the mind set, but more about economics and politics. In a country where state hospitals are free for everyone, it is much better to persuade people to get vaccinated by doing lotteries than to pay for their hospitalization later when the wave of infection returns.
On the other hand, it obviously improves the political image when so many businesses fail.

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August 15, 2021, 02:06:59 PM
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No. I can assume that you are not following the latest news on this topic. Even Israeli officials recently made a statement that universal vaccination is not a total solution to the coronavirus issue. And they say this on the basis of the actual situation that has developed in their country, although even before that, many people stated the same. If you are interested, check this information from any source from which you are comfortable. In addition, in general, the idea that you can vaccinate everyone and stop mutations is a utopia. The virus mutation rate is very high and it occurs even in vaccinated carriers.

As per published figures, Moderna offers 76% protection against the most contagious strain of COVID 19 (and almost 100% protection against death from the virus). That means that vaccinated people are far safer, when compared to the unvaccinated ones. And even in the US, most of the deaths have been reported from the section of the population which refused to get vaccinated. Fully vaccinated (more than half of the population) accounted for less than 1% of the deaths in May 2021. You can check this article:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

So what? Do you now propose to do both vaccinations (Modern and Pfizer) at the same time? In addition, we still do not get away from the fact that even a vaccinated person can be a carrier of the virus and in him it can mutate (and produce more deadly strains), albeit with a lower intensity.
Well, the level of protection actually looks dubious, given that millions of people get sick, protection by 76 percent reduces the overall picture of the incidence weakly - maybe it only slows down the spread of the virus a little. In any case, this does not look like a "final solution" and a way to defeat the virus.
By the way, what will we do when the next strain appears, against which both Modern and Pfizer will be even weaker?

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August 15, 2021, 03:26:31 PM
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Alot of people have no trust for government, especially when the party in power is not one they voted for.  In this way its quite normal for at least half of a country to question anything stated by an opposing power to which they believe in.   The unfortunate problem is when knowledge is lost because of distrust and the state is not independent of any corruption by various ideologies that create noise in any news.  Its not rare, the world all over has this dynamic.

Another thing that slows the vaccinations, those doubts coming from the opposition  corrupting
the mindsets of other people and influenced them not to agree with how the government is trying to prevent the spread.

We see a lots of incident like this in so many countries, instead of fighting together with this virus political agendas are everywhere,
trying to put down the current government, blaming that they are not working well to resolve this problem.

With how Poland is trying, partnering with Pfizer they can attract and reached those who wanted to try their luck in winning the pot.
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August 15, 2021, 05:51:08 PM
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So what? Do you now propose to do both vaccinations (Modern and Pfizer) at the same time? In addition, we still do not get away from the fact that even a vaccinated person can be a carrier of the virus and in him it can mutate (and produce more deadly strains), albeit with a lower intensity.
Well, the level of protection actually looks dubious, given that millions of people get sick, protection by 76 percent reduces the overall picture of the incidence weakly - maybe it only slows down the spread of the virus a little. In any case, this does not look like a "final solution" and a way to defeat the virus.
By the way, what will we do when the next strain appears, against which both Modern and Pfizer will be even weaker?

Do you have a solution other than vaccination? Even an efficacy of 76% is significant. That means four times less people who are infected with the virus. And that also means that the spread of the virus can be contained, as the infected are less likely to infect others. If you look at the current situation in the United States, the regions with largest number of active cases are states like Arkansas, where the vaccination rate is very low. The chances of further mutations decrease, if there are less number of carriers of the virus. So even a 76% reduction is OK for me.
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