Motivated by "breaking the code"

[mu_enrico]

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

If you compare slots to other chance games, it's pretty much the same. Except you want to compare it with the likes of poker or table games.
Complex slots do exist, where you can choose the number of lines, lock/nudge the symbol, plus you can also pick volatility from thousand of games.
Dice is way more primitive than slots, but if you like it more than slots, feel free to ditch slots


Exploiting game violates ToS so the provider will not pay your winnings (if you get caught). So it's not only just about "breaking the code" but also about "not getting caught."

[KTChampions]

If the player is initially determined to find weaknesses in the code/algorithm of the slot machine and use it to win, then this is quite adequate (although in many cases it is illegal and it is necessary to look at the details in each individual case).

I think it is illegal in all conceivable cases. How can it be otherwise? Say, you find a weaknesses in a vending machine in the US: it accepts some Zimbabwean coins and gives you back change 100 times more valuable than the coins you inserted. Is it a weakness that can be exploited? Yes. Is it illegal to exploit it? Absolutely.

Your analogy is incorrect. Let's consider normal cases when, for example, a slot machine developer makes mistakes in algorithmization:

For example, I read that in some slot machine, after several losses, the player received a "hint" ie guaranteed to receive one win. At the same time, the slot machine did not take into account the change in the bet size, i.e. the player first lost on micro stakes and after that he was guaranteed to win at the maximum bet.

What could be illegal to beat this slot machine? An error in algorithmization is entirely a problem of the developer and the company that deals with these slot machines.

I agree, there's nothing illegal in that, unless it was stated in T&C that changing the bet size after receiving a "hint" wasn't allowed. If it was said in T&C, though, you wouldn't be sued for breaking that rule, but you wouldn't be able to withdraw the winnings either.

I can’t understand on what basis you claim this? If someone does not give me money that I honestly won, then this is an obvious fraud and he will be forced to do it according to the law.

For example, if a player makes a "wrong" bet and, having lost, demands to return it back, everyone will laugh at this behavior. Why should we have a different approach if the opposite side makes a mistake?

This is a fair point, but in reality the "flaws" in the slot machines exist only in legends invented to keep you looking for them.

How about this?

Russians Engineer a Brilliant Slot Machine Cheat---And Casinos Have No Fix

In fact, flaws in slot machines were always and often more obvious when special software was not required to identify them. I'm surprised you didn't know about this.

[AicecreaME]

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

If you compare slots to other chance games, it's pretty much the same. Except you want to compare it with the likes of poker or table games.
Complex slots do exist, where you can choose the number of lines, lock/nudge the symbol, plus you can also pick volatility from thousand of games.
Dice is way more primitive than slots, but if you like it more than slots, feel free to ditch slots


Exploiting game violates ToS so the provider will not pay your winnings (if you get caught). So it's not only just about "breaking the code" but also about "not getting caught."

I agree.

However, dice might be primitive than slot games but at some point, the way their gameplay is just very similar, all you have to do it to press once and wait for the result. They just change a little bit but for me it's the same. Slot machines sometimes can get exploited but it's a very rare occasion unless you're a good one when it comes to exploiting games. Nobody wants to try it because if you'll get caught, the jail is your only room waiting for you.

[KTChampions]

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

If you compare slots to other chance games, it's pretty much the same. Except you want to compare it with the likes of poker or table games.
Complex slots do exist, where you can choose the number of lines, lock/nudge the symbol, plus you can also pick volatility from thousand of games.
Dice is way more primitive than slots, but if you like it more than slots, feel free to ditch slots


Exploiting game violates ToS so the provider will not pay your winnings (if you get caught). So it's not only just about "breaking the code" but also about "not getting caught."

Perhaps some of the slot machines really have a variety of gameplay, but I think 99% is just "press the button and wait for the result."
I don't argue about tastes, just my observations. 


And what point of the ToS does the player violate if he understood the weakness of the slot machine and was able to beat it? Something like "a player can only lose, but not win", right? 

[Sterbens]

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

That will happen if that gambler can learn from his mistake to try hard to learn more and practice to get better than before. But we already see that even they learn more, it is still hard to win because there will be other players who have better skills than them and of course, the luck factor will be count on this. But if they motivate themselves by still learning, maybe someday, they will win but we do not know how much money they will use to reach that level. If that happens, maybe we need to realize that we can not always gamble if the situation is not right for us and we need to think that taking a break for a while will help us analyze more and learn more details.

Well, in the end, you know what to do if you lose, and you know what to watch if you win. The best gambler is he who can motivate himself in any way. Even without external encouragement, you can definitely find a way to get up. Motivating is one way so that where you win or lose, everything is fine and you don't think of it as a heavy burden.

Based on the responses of gamblers, they are 100% likely to be more excited if given a win early on. and being able to control wins from table to table with a take-for-and-leave strategy. move around or select the available games. Use a minimum standard of $10 on each throw.

[michellee]

Yes, losing and winning become a cycle, but losing will dominate the gambling than the winning and that is happening for many people who play gambling. If we can enjoy the game and know when to stop, we will be satisfied with the result, even if we lose and think that the next days will be better than today. We can motivate ourselves that losing in gambling is normal but what is not normal is if we still continue playing without thinking about the big loss that can come to us. We can return to gambling in the next days but we should have control for ourselves.

Therefore I believe, they will learn from the first table game to another table very well. Losing no matter how many times they will find a point where he knows how to become a winner. Sometimes the motivation in gambling is born from previous defeats so that you can be careful and calm in controlling the situation. Because outwardly a person will get a boost if he has the will to win. As long as you have the belief to be a winner, then don't give up you will be at the most perfect point.

That will happen if that gambler can learn from his mistake to try hard to learn more and practice to get better than before. But we already see that even they learn more, it is still hard to win because there will be other players who have better skills than them and of course, the luck factor will be count on this. But if they motivate themselves by still learning, maybe someday, they will win but we do not know how much money they will use to reach that level. If that happens, maybe we need to realize that we can not always gamble if the situation is not right for us and we need to think that taking a break for a while will help us analyze more and learn more details.

Well, in the end, you know what to do if you lose, and you know what to watch if you win. The best gambler is he who can motivate himself in any way. Even without external encouragement, you can definitely find a way to get up. Motivating is one way so that where you win or lose, everything is fine and you don't think of it as a heavy burden.

Based on the responses of gamblers, they are 100% likely to be more excited if given a win early on. and being able to control wins from table to table with a take-for-and-leave strategy. move around or select the available games. Use a minimum standard of $10 on each throw.

We should follow that gambler so we do not have to be afraid of becoming addicted to gambling because we know what we need to do. We can adapt ourselves in any situation, even if we lose, because we will not recover the losses or chase the other winning. Motivating ourselves is not easy because we need to practice every day and that will look like we talk to ourselves and trying to say that we can do that.

I am trying to use $10 or less to playing gambling because I do not feel right to lose more than that amount. Sometimes, those $10 will still stay in my account because I do not use all of the $10 at once.

[Sterbens]

We should follow that gambler so we do not have to be afraid of becoming addicted to gambling because we know what we need to do. We can adapt ourselves in any situation, even if we lose, because we will not recover the losses or chase the other winning. Motivating ourselves is not easy because we need to practice every day and that will look like we talk to ourselves and trying to say that we can do that.

I am trying to use $10 or less to playing gambling because I do not feel right to lose more than that amount. Sometimes, those $10 will still stay in my account because I do not use all of the $10 at once.

whether it's easy or not is relative if we have a strong desire to win by any means the motivation comes when we are in a state of urgency. Some arise because of a need that you must fulfill.
There was even someone who said, luck could be created when opportunity met ability, ability could be honed and opportunity could be sought, so luck could basically be created.

[Fatunad]

We should follow that gambler so we do not have to be afraid of becoming addicted to gambling because we know what we need to do. We can adapt ourselves in any situation, even if we lose, because we will not recover the losses or chase the other winning. Motivating ourselves is not easy because we need to practice every day and that will look like we talk to ourselves and trying to say that we can do that.

I am trying to use $10 or less to playing gambling because I do not feel right to lose more than that amount. Sometimes, those $10 will still stay in my account because I do not use all of the $10 at once.

whether it's easy or not is relative if we have a strong desire to win by any means the motivation comes when we are in a state of urgency. Some arise because of a need that you must fulfill.
There was even someone who said, luck could be created when opportunity met ability, ability could be honed and opportunity could be sought, so luck could basically be created.

That desire would be the main reason on why you would be pushing yourself into doing things which you shouldnt gonna do and this is where addiction starts on where you are pursuing on trying to break out things
and make it happen even the reality wont really be permitting it out since gambling businesses arent something that you could just easily milk and believe that you could really take advantage.
Gambling is for entertainment and you shouldnt really be expecting that much because that will surely cost you big.

[dothebeats]

I don't think "breaking the code" is what drives them to play slots.

It's the constant belief that one day, they will be able to get the 777 jackpot on those slots. There's no sure way to win these jackpots on these machines, and no algorithm whatsoever has been found to match what these machines are based on.

If I would guess, people are just "addicted" to the thought of winning the jackpot, and that's it.

[peter0425]

It's interesting, but it's nothing more than automated money management. Even in a game as simple as dice, you can choose the odds you want to play with. This is not the case in slot machines, the whole game is reduced to pressing the start button and choosing the size of the bet. In my opinion, this is too primitive to play at least some long time in such games.

If you compare slots to other chance games, it's pretty much the same. Except you want to compare it with the likes of poker or table games.
Complex slots do exist, where you can choose the number of lines, lock/nudge the symbol, plus you can also pick volatility from thousand of games.
Dice is way more primitive than slots, but if you like it more than slots, feel free to ditch slots


Exploiting game violates ToS so the provider will not pay your winnings (if you get caught). So it's not only just about "breaking the code" but also about "not getting caught."

I agree.

However, dice might be primitive than slot games but at some point, the way their gameplay is just very similar, all you have to do it to press once and wait for the result. They just change a little bit but for me it's the same. Slot machines sometimes can get exploited but it's a very rare occasion unless you're a good one when it comes to exploiting games. Nobody wants to try it because if you'll get caught, the jail is your only room waiting for you.

and they are both PURE LUCK GAME so comparing Dice and Slot are almost perfectly the same.
cheating are punishable by any sense and mostly in gambling this is perfectly implemented .

[Quintrix]

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

I rarely play slot, there's no strategy to employ it's a pure luck game and if you say that you are going to break the code, it's actually your code that you are going to break no the slot because slots are one of the hardest game to beat, maybe the guy is out of his mind was frustrated and still trying to beat the machine.

[michellee]

whether it's easy or not is relative if we have a strong desire to win by any means the motivation comes when we are in a state of urgency. Some arise because of a need that you must fulfill.
There was even someone who said, luck could be created when opportunity met ability, ability could be honed and opportunity could be sought, so luck could basically be created.

But I do not think that the desire will help us win in gambling games because we know that luck will be part of that to win the games. A strong desire can not always fill what we want and we need to realize that when we are playing gambling, we can only play without a hard feeling because that can make us become stress. Yes, you are right in saying that luck could be created when opportunity met ability but not in gambling. However, you need to think about how much money you will use before recovering or winning big money.

[Kyraishi]

Absolutely. I think that a lot of gamblers have the exact opposite attitude to what you should have when it comes to playing a game of chance.

You will never break the house, period. There is simply no long term, sustainable way of doing so, because otherwise the house would not exist in the first place.

Fact of the matter is that you will be faced with negative EV bets every time you place anything against a house, and your luck will eventually exhaust itself in the long run just from a mathematical standpoint. No ifs and buts.

[Sterbens]

But I do not think that the desire will help us win in gambling games because we know that luck will be part of that to win the games. A strong desire can not always fill what we want and we need to realize that when we are playing gambling, we can only play without a hard feeling because that can make us become stress. Yes, you are right in saying that luck could be created when opportunity met ability but not in gambling. However, you need to think about how much money you will use before recovering or winning big money.

How can you not win if you don't have the desire. In psychological knowledge, if someone does something, then it is based on a strong impulse in him that flows to the brain and is responded to by action, then executed in real on the basis of the desire in the heart. You don't necessarily move without a command from the heart, which is responded by the brain and is done by the hands.

Unless you are sick, I will give an example: even though the heart desires to gamble, the brain responds but because there is one part of the body that is not normal/sick, then based on medical knowledge you are 100% forcing what is not allowed by the body part.

Therefore, I say it is all relatively broad in the realm of gambling. As long as everything can be controlled under normal circumstances and supported with all the potential that exists, without thinking you are the winner.

[Fredomago]

One of my neighbours, a million years ago, was obviously addict to the slot machines. He would spend hours spinning in a nearby bar (these machines are allowed in bars in my country of origin) and my take is that he would spend a fortune on it. Once, I passed by and I overheard him saying "I am going to teach this machine who is in charge". It sounded like he was attributing some short of conscience and life to the machine and though he could "beat it". I have observed that many people that gamble are into that type of thinking, that is, it is me against this code and this machine and I can actually break the code and win.

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

I rarely play slot, there's no strategy to employ it's a pure luck game and if you say that you are going to break the code, it's actually your code that you are going to break no the slot because slots are one of the hardest game to beat, maybe the guy is out of his mind was frustrated and still trying to beat the machine.

Mostly True! If you have that desire but luck is not backing you up it will only lead you to lose more, there's no code to break aside from your strategy that if things went wrong then expect heavy loads of losing amount to take place.

Gambling especially with slots/luck based games, depends from how you can manage to control yourself and how you'll able to execute strategy that allows you to have a better chance in winning from your chosen games, not a guarantee but a little edge if you play within the system that you created.

[goaldigger]

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

There’s no code in the slots game aside from playing continuously and being lucky while you are playing, maybe he was drunk that time and he thinks different way with regards to this one. We should be more careful on gambling while you are drunk because you tend to spend more and you might not be able to control yourself until you lose everything. Slots game are fun to play with no guarantee of a money back in return.

[dunfida]

whether it's easy or not is relative if we have a strong desire to win by any means the motivation comes when we are in a state of urgency. Some arise because of a need that you must fulfill.
There was even someone who said, luck could be created when opportunity met ability, ability could be honed and opportunity could be sought, so luck could basically be created.

But I do not think that the desire will help us win in gambling games because we know that luck will be part of that to win the games. A strong desire can not always fill what we want and we need to realize that when we are playing gambling, we can only play without a hard feeling because that can make us become stress. Yes, you are right in saying that luck could be created when opportunity met ability but not in gambling. However, you need to think about how much money you will use before recovering or winning big money.

Desire is nothing but once we do gamble then this emotion and motive in mind would already be there but its true that it has nothing to do with the winning odds.

Motivation is good but only good into those things which you can assure that would give out good results specially on career taking but not really that good when you are applying this in gambling.

Dont tend to apply this if you dont like to experience huge losses because you are forcing something which doesnt really work.

[michellee]

How can you not win if you don't have the desire. In psychological knowledge, if someone does something, then it is based on a strong impulse in him that flows to the brain and is responded to by action, then executed in real on the basis of the desire in the heart. You don't necessarily move without a command from the heart, which is responded by the brain and is done by the hands.

Unless you are sick, I will give an example: even though the heart desires to gamble, the brain responds but because there is one part of the body that is not normal/sick, then based on medical knowledge you are 100% forcing what is not allowed by the body part.

Therefore, I say it is all relatively broad in the realm of gambling. As long as everything can be controlled under normal circumstances and supported with all the potential that exists, without thinking you are the winner.

Let me give an example. You have the desire (a very big willingness and passion) to get work in the office. You send applications to many offices but none of the offices give you the chance to work with them. Is the desire help you to have a job? No, right? That will depend on the office (in this matter, it will depend on luck). But someday, you can have "luck" by being accepted in one office as what you want.

If you are sick, your mind is telling you to gamble still but not your heart because if you are sick, your body and heart can not reflect what your mind wants. In this matter, the mind will take part in your body, but your body does not want to do anything except take a rest.

If you can control everything with consciousness and realize that gambling is not the way to make money but enjoy your time by spending your money, you will not have difficulty playing gambling or stopping gambling. A matter of winning or losing will not be a problem for you because you know what gambling is.

Desire is nothing but once we do gamble then this emotion and motive in mind would already be there but its true that it has nothing to do with the winning odds.

Motivation is good but only good into those things which you can assure that would give out good results specially on career taking but not really that good when you are applying this in gambling.

Dont tend to apply this if you dont like to experience huge losses because you are forcing something which doesnt really work.

Yes, desire can trigger our emotions to become bigger and that can make us forgot to control ourselves and once it happens, we will lose the money.

I prefer to use motivation when I work than in gambling because no matter how good the motivation, we still depend on luck and we know that luck will not stay with us every time we gamble. So we need to think that playing gambling is okay but do not too excited.

In the end, we should prevent huge losses from gambling by always manage the money and realize when we should quit gambling.

[ene1980]

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Yes, desire can trigger our emotions to become bigger and that can make us forgot to control ourselves and once it happens, we will lose the money.

Only fools will get triggered seeing that they can make money the easy way without any hard work and if anyone thinks that gambling and winning the lottery is the only way to change your fortunes then you are doomed for good.

I prefer to use motivation when I work than in gambling because no matter how good the motivation, we still depend on luck and we know that luck will not stay with us every time we gamble. So we need to think that playing gambling is okay but do not too excited.

Gambling is all about having fun and and you are lucky then you might win big but you cannot take this as your ultimate aim and start gambling and many who end up bankrupted are the ones that think gambling is the only solution they have in life.

In the end, we should prevent huge losses from gambling by always manage the money and realize when we should quit gambling.

Gambling addicts does not have a frame of reference when to quit and there are many like that and the only way to help them out is to identify the problems and seek professional help.

[Betwrong]

~ I agree, there's nothing illegal in that, unless it was stated in T&C that changing the bet size after receiving a "hint" wasn't allowed. If it was said in T&C, though, you wouldn't be sued for breaking that rule, but you wouldn't be able to withdraw the winnings either.

I can’t understand on what basis you claim this? If someone does not give me money that I honestly won, then this is an obvious fraud and he will be forced to do it according to the law.

Look, maybe you missed something in my post, because I wasn't exactly talking about honestly won money. I was talking about the case when "it was stated in T&C that changing the bet size after receiving a "hint" wasn't allowed". So, if you changed the bet size, ignoring T&C, it would basically mean that you broke the contract, and that's why they would have all the right for not giving you the money.

For example, if a player makes a "wrong" bet and, having lost, demands to return it back, everyone will laugh at this behavior. Why should we have a different approach if the opposite side makes a mistake?

This is a fair point, but in reality the "flaws" in the slot machines exist only in legends invented to keep you looking for them.

How about this?

Russians Engineer a Brilliant Slot Machine Cheat---And Casinos Have No Fix

In fact, flaws in slot machines were always and often more obvious when special software was not required to identify them. I'm surprised you didn't know about this.

Actually, I had read the article, but I completely forgot about it by now. So, thanks for the link, and catch a merit from me!

I'm a fan of WIRED, and reading their articles, even for the second time, is pleasure for me, but when reading again the article from your link and a related one, I remembered why could I completely forget them: the main characters in the story disgust me, and I think it's kinda defense reaction of my brain to forget them as soon as possible.

Take this part from a related article, for instance:

A Russian casino hired him to learn how to tweak machines manufactured by Novomatic, an Austrian company, so that their odds would favor the house more than usual: The machine had been programmed to pay out 90 percent of the money it took in, a figure that Alex’s client wanted him to adjust down to 50 percent.

It says a great deal about Alex and also about that Russian casino, and it's really frustrating that there are still people who don't know that cheating is bad. I mean, none of us is a saint, and when I was younger I had no clue either. But, c'mon people, grow up FFS!

But thanks for the link anyway.