Motivated by "breaking the code"

[Reatim]

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

There’s no code in the slots game aside from playing continuously and being lucky while you are playing, maybe he was drunk that time and he thinks different way with regards to this one. We should be more careful on gambling while you are drunk because you tend to spend more and you might not be able to control yourself until you lose everything. Slots game are fun to play with no guarantee of a money back in return.

because slot is the easiest gambling in casino houses and also this is the most thrilling lol.

and not adding that this is most influential gambling game in USA if i am not mistaken so this adds the flavor why this becomes most popular worldwide as we know how western country influencing the world in any way.

I don't think "breaking the code" is what drives them to play slots.

It's the constant belief that one day, they will be able to get the 777 jackpot on those slots. There's no sure way to win these jackpots on these machines, and no algorithm whatsoever has been found to match what these machines are based on.

If I would guess, people are just "addicted" to the thought of winning the jackpot, and that's it.

good point , since how you will win in slot is really fascinating when tons of tokens will drop from the machine down and makes you own tokens that cannot be counted easily.

[john_nautica]

I don't think it's really about breaking a code, I think what your neighbor means is he's going to win, probably just an expression to motivate himself to win it's actually good to stay positive in playing gambling games just like in sports betting even though the team is losing and the game is about to lose, sometimes I yell "Just wait" then the losing team scores and I got a draw or sometimes I win.

[KTChampions]

I can’t understand on what basis you claim this? If someone does not give me money that I honestly won, then this is an obvious fraud and he will be forced to do it according to the law.

Look, maybe you missed something in my post, because I wasn't exactly talking about honestly won money. I was talking about the case when "it was stated in T&C that changing the bet size after receiving a "hint" wasn't allowed". So, if you changed the bet size, ignoring T&C, it would basically mean that you broke the contract, and that's why they would have all the right for not giving you the money.

Okay, I understand your point and it really should work like that if there is such a condition in ToS. But as far as I remember, there was no information about this in the ToS, that is, it was a pure algorithmic error from the manufacturers of slot machines.

How about this?

Russians Engineer a Brilliant Slot Machine Cheat---And Casinos Have No Fix

In fact, flaws in slot machines were always and often more obvious when special software was not required to identify them. I'm surprised you didn't know about this.

Actually, I had read the article, but I completely forgot about it by now. So, thanks for the link, and catch a merit from me!

I'm a fan of WIRED, and reading their articles, even for the second time, is pleasure for me, but when reading again the article from your link and a related one, I remembered why could I completely forget them: the main characters in the story disgust me, and I think it's kinda defense reaction of my brain to forget them as soon as possible.

Take this part from a related article, for instance:

A Russian casino hired him to learn how to tweak machines manufactured by Novomatic, an Austrian company, so that their odds would favor the house more than usual: The machine had been programmed to pay out 90 percent of the money it took in, a figure that Alex’s client wanted him to adjust down to 50 percent.

It says a great deal about Alex and also about that Russian casino, and it's really frustrating that there are still people who don't know that cheating is bad. I mean, none of us is a saint, and when I was younger I had no clue either. But, c'mon people, grow up FFS!

But thanks for the link anyway.

No problem! Thank you too. I came across this article when I was looking for another example for you (exactly about that error in the algorithmization). I remember exactly that in the article I was looking for there were many interesting cases that could be discussed, but I cannot find it because it was something like a post in LiveJournal and now paid articles and advertising do not provide an opportunity to dig out the necessary information from the depths the Internet 

[michellee]

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Yes, desire can trigger our emotions to become bigger and that can make us forgot to control ourselves and once it happens, we will lose the money.

Only fools will get triggered seeing that they can make money the easy way without any hard work and if anyone thinks that gambling and winning the lottery is the only way to change your fortunes then you are doomed for good.

But that is happening in many countries because people are willing to use some money, let say $10-$25, to buy a ticket lottery and wait for the announcement. Maybe they do not think much about that lottery and if they can hit the jackpot, they consider that is their luck.

I prefer to use motivation when I work than in gambling because no matter how good the motivation, we still depend on luck and we know that luck will not stay with us every time we gamble. So we need to think that playing gambling is okay but do not too excited.

Gambling is all about having fun and and you are lucky then you might win big but you cannot take this as your ultimate aim and start gambling and many who end up bankrupted are the ones that think gambling is the only solution they have in life.

Yes, we already saw it happen to many people because they think that playing gambling is one way to earn money. That makes them lazy to search for other sources of income instead of still playing gambling. They will regret it someday if their life is not changing as they want.

In the end, we should prevent huge losses from gambling by always manage the money and realize when we should quit gambling.

Gambling addicts does not have a frame of reference when to quit and there are many like that and the only way to help them out is to identify the problems and seek professional help.

Maybe other people around them need to show them that what they did in gambling is wrong and they needs to open their eyes to do something else that will benefit them. Seeking professional help will also be necessary, especially if people around them can not get many solutions to solve the addicting problem.

[newwest]

How many of such people can actually end up winning or say able to beat the slot machine code. Many would try and play huge bets but in the end will end up mostly losing it and only a fractional percentage of the total users might be end up beating those codes or win it. Talking about the users who play continuously and from long time.

[chaser15]

It's usual to see that type of person who wants to beat the machine. No breaking the coding mindset but they just want to take chances if they can take out some big winnings from playing at these machines.

If they win, they will brag it in front of those speculators as that was a rare moment and only a few achieved it playing in an actual gambling place.

I understand their desire to win as I also have that mindset especially during my aggressive mode. Unfortunately, still no experience winning a good amount from playing on physical machine.

[fullhdpixel]

The casino has an advantage on these machines and the longer we play the closer we get to the edge of the casino.

But in my experience, the more you play the more you will lose. Attempting in more number of times, will not maximize your chance of beating the house is such games which includes dicing as well. If you are lucky you may hit on your first attempt and if you exit at that point then you may remain profits and if you try for another time then you may lose or at least on the third attempt.

If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

[finaleshot2016]

The casino has an advantage on these machines and the longer we play the closer we get to the edge of the casino.

But in my experience, the more you play the more you will lose. Attempting in more number of times, will not maximize your chance of beating the house is such games which includes dicing as well. If you are lucky you may hit on your first attempt and if you exit at that point then you may remain profits and if you try for another time then you may lose or at least on the third attempt.

If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

Agree with you tho,  if you play too much, you're just increasing your chances of losing because it's not always a win-win situation because, in gambling, you're always losing.

I don't really rely on this breaking the code scheme because it just gives you a reason to play more, and winning is still not dependent on it.

You will lose if you do not win.

[ethereumhunter]

If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

I am sure that person will trying to get as much money as he can while he can still use the machine to give him the money. But I am sure the casino will see about that and they will check it as soon as possible and will change the code so no one will be able to use the loophole to get the money.

I see the ads that telling someone can break the code on the casino and earn so much money and he sell the method to people. But I am sure that method will not work anymore as the casino already change everything.

[Pamadar]

If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

I am sure that person will trying to get as much money as he can while he can still use the machine to give him the money. But I am sure the casino will see about that and they will check it as soon as possible and will change the code so no one will be able to use the loophole to get the money.

I see the ads that telling someone can break the code on the casino and earn so much money and he sell the method to people. But I am sure that method will not work anymore as the casino already change everything.

Greed will push them to keep doing it until they find out that the code already changed.

On the other side, casino or owner of that machine also alluring that gambler allowing him to suck some amount
then after that the next thing that will happened to him, is keep coming back and  losing more than what he  earned.
That's also possible right?

[goinmerry]

On the other side, casino or owner of that machine also alluring that gambler allowing him to suck some amount then after that the next thing that will happened to him, is keep coming back and  losing more than what he  earned.
That's also possible right?

It's possible but there are a lot of random players everyday using that machine so it is likely not always the case. Or maybe they will give winnings to random players on that day and lucky for those who will play at the right time the machine will change its winning probability.

But the usual is, the probability of winning is fixed at any machines or slots, with a low chance of winning a big amount, as it is supposed to.

[ethereumhunter]

If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

If someone is able to crack the code then they may profit all the money from that machine until management change the algorithm. If they find a machine is draining out then definitely they will change codes/algorithm as early as possible and this is how casinos are surviving even among many hacks.

I am sure that person will trying to get as much money as he can while he can still use the machine to give him the money. But I am sure the casino will see about that and they will check it as soon as possible and will change the code so no one will be able to use the loophole to get the money.

I see the ads that telling someone can break the code on the casino and earn so much money and he sell the method to people. But I am sure that method will not work anymore as the casino already change everything.

Greed will push them to keep doing it until they find out that the code already changed.

On the other side, casino or owner of that machine also alluring that gambler allowing him to suck some amount
then after that the next thing that will happened to him, is keep coming back and  losing more than what he  earned.
That's also possible right?

Yes, that is possible. The casino really knows how to lure the gamblers to come back and play more games and spend their money while the casino will receive their loss with a smile. When we can make money from the casino, we tend to repeat the process with the same thing as before or make a little modifying if we can not win but in the end, we are only losing the money we have plus the win money. And that will make us lose all of the money. The casino already changes the code but the gamblers might not realize that and they tend to keep trying to winning from the games.

[xSkylarx]

How many of such people can actually end up winning or say able to beat the slot machine code. Many would try and play huge bets but in the end will end up mostly losing it and only a fractional percentage of the total users might be end up beating those codes or win it. Talking about the users who play continuously and from long time.

I don't think there are many gamblers who play slot machines regularly and are winning. Sure there will be some lucky few who manage to beat the jackpot, but most of us won't be so lucky. The casino has an advantage on these machines and the longer we play the closer we get to the edge of the casino. If someone says he broke the code of the machine I would only believe it if I see him do it

Agree! Casino machines are nearly impossible to break nowadays, but if we're talking about a few years ago, it should have had a bug or some sort of weakness to exploit so you could win, but most of the time it doesn't because it is thoroughly inspected. Slot machines have a low chance of winning, but they excite you every time you roll them in the hopes of winning, and because they are not bugged or foolproof, it is impossible to break them.

[hello_good_sir]

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

[Betwrong]

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

[fortunecrypto]

I personally do not play slots, but do you think that is why people like slot machines? Short of breaking their code?

I rarely play slots but on those times that I played slots I rarely win that is why I don't consider playing it often, your friend is just frustrated and he is putting his frustration on the slot that is why he says he is breaking the code which is really impossible to do because the house edge control the situation and he is just waiting for his turn to win based on the algorithm.

[Vaskiy]

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

Being a good coder always have big opportunity. Rather than using it for finding loophole one can easily develop better things and make a bigger earning out of it. Right now I find blockchain developers paid good, so coding people can prefer these kind of development.

[madnessteat]

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

Even if you are a good coder I don't think you can replace the code with your own or copy the slot machine software to find the error in the code since nobody will allow you to connect your hardware for this manipulation. In today's world which is almost everywhere full of surveillance cameras this doesn't make any sense because the risks are too high.

[alegotardo]

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

that's why I love block-chain gambling.
It's very easy to verify your bets themselves when an honest site offers you the tools to verify it, even in most of them you can even verify your bets on third-party sites.

Of course, the house will always have the advantage, but no one can say it was stolen.

[Fatunad]

This is definitely a problem with gamblers.

I think that most people don't even realise that they are playing a game that carries negative EV. They just go in and expect to make money as if they are not playing for the sake of entertainment.

That actually really concerns me, and I think must be addressed.

People shouldn't be playing because they think there is some loophole that doesn't exist. They should be playing for fun and for personal enjoyment.

That's right. First of all, you should be a really good coder to have even a slightest chance of finding a loophole. But then, if you are so good in coding, you know that it can take a lot of time, and most likely the time will be wasted in vain. Also, your salary, as of a good coder, can be pretty good and you'll don't have time for such nonsense.

that's why I love block-chain gambling.
It's very easy to verify your bets themselves when an honest site offers you the tools to verify it, even in most of them you can even verify your bets on third-party sites.

Of course, the house will always have the advantage, but no one can say it was stolen.

You wouldnt know until it would be obvious for someone could able to observe and those kind of behavior is just normal.We do mind about fairness because we are risking or putting our money on here
and its just normal that we would really be having that kind of thoughts or thingg in mind.As a gambler and a bit impulsive or emotional then these kind of things could really happen.
Motivated on breaking the code? In most cases then this is something which isnt really hat possible most of the time.