China - everything is fine! But everything is bad ...

[Shasha80]

China - everything is fine! But everything is bad ...

The other day I came across one very interesting article. True, it is in Russian, so I will give here a translation of the key parts for discussion. And you can read the article itself using google translate.

It’s totally how the government, the elites at the top are always ready to do anything just to fatten their pockets no matter if it’s going to affect the people negatively or not, their interest is just on themselves and not those that they are leading. Sometimes I wonder if these people are really humans or monsters in human skin, because they really surprise me with the way they act. They tend to push people to the wall, and time might come when people will get tired of all that’s happening and decide to fight for themselves, and it’s not really going to be good for them.

I am also very sad to see the government only thinks about itself, therefore I am one of those people who really hate corrupt behavior. People who
are in government and don't fight for the interests of the people, that makes them worse than the devil. Sometimes what scares humans, they will
turn into monsters and lose their conscience when faced with money. Indeed, not all humans are like that, but the reality is that in the current
pandemic situation, many governments are harming their own people. Regarding what happened to China, only the Chinese themselves knew about it,
but from several rumors that were spread. Bad things have happened to the Chinese people, there's not much I can do, other than to pray that things
will get better in China.

[Sithara007]

About India is a mystery to me in general, why India, having gained independence in the middle of the century, and having enormous potential in many areas, did not become a regional leader ?! After all, India has everything to achieve this goal! Corruption and bureaucracy exist in many highly developed countries, this is bad, but it should not be a "stumbling block"! But it seems to me that India can, and most likely should, change the situation and take its dignified position!

Being an Indian, I have to say that India's problems are very unique. Unlike other countries, where elected politicians have the most amount of power, in India it is the judiciary and bureaucracy which dominates over the government. At least the politicians are answerable to the people and else they won't get re-elected. But the Indian judiciary is extremely corrupt and inefficient. Civil disputes can take 20-30 years to reach a resolution. Strategic infrastructural projects are delayed infinitely, because the judiciary constantly issues stay orders on the flimsiest of the excuses. And the bureaucrats are not answerable to anyone and they regularly delay projects demanding bribes. Even if a bureaucrat is found to be corrupt, it is not possible for the government to fire him. The system is designed in such a way, to block any development.

[DrBeer]

China is a greedy and inhuman country, the latest pandemic also came from China from Wuhan and they really made a lot of bad things, food or all chemical products. cause cancer, greed has not stopped there for many centuries, they always want to be global hegemony, aggressive with European countries, silently poisoning young generations of Asian countries, food also like their ideology. I always thought the CCP was no different from the old Nazis, I didn't like them.

I wouldn't go to the extent of comparing the CCP with the NSDAP, but that doesn't mean that they're all angels. During the 90s, China was so desperate to attract foreign investment that they allowed a number of polluting industries in their territory. These industries brought new jobs and wealth, but also resulted in large numbers suffering from cancer and other pollution-related diseases. Fortunately, the CCP seems to have changed their priority now. Recently, many of such industries were forced to shut down, or shift their operations to other countries. China can afford to kick out these industries now.

Let's just say, given the number of harmful and non-environmentally friendly industries that were in China, if investors brought harmful industries there, they did not affect the overall, already formed picture of environmental pollution.
But what exactly the investors brought was TECHNOLOGIES. Due to which China has become what it is now! Without technology, China would still be a third world country with bleak prospects ...

Well, in China it has been possible to see that the worst things in the world have come from there, I am not blaming the Chinese, but I really have a great thought about covid-19 and its constant way of getting out of problems with solutions that produce the "Fundamentals", the Chinese government is not a white dove, it cannot be ruled out that the covid has come out of a laboratory on purpose or not, with the intention of improving its economy, because one of the ways to generate and move a lot of money is through wars and now it is seen that with pandemic.

Only Chinese citizens know their situation very well, one thing is the government and another is the people, naturally China has always survived thanks to its industrialization, therefore, it cannot be ruled out that this is its source of power in terms of The economy, and the Chinese economy in comparison to other countries, I believe that it is currently very much behind many, including European countries.

If we ignore the political peculiarities of China, then we also have an interesting picture - on the one hand, China ranks 3rd in the world in terms of mineral resources. And even first place in coal! Sounds strong. BUT - resource economies, this is already very outdated. And as history shows, the resource economy is more of a problem than an advantage. There are enough examples - the USSR / RF, Venezuela and similar economies that were fixated on resources.
The only strong advantage of China is that they appreciated the futility of the resource economy in time enough, and began to actively develop the technology sector (by attracting Western companies to open any technological sites). And there is still a small coincidence, from the resource part, but it turned out to be very useful - rare earth metals, of which China has 37% of the world's reserves, and 81% of world production from rare earth metals - and this is the production of high-tech products. And in this "channel", China, of course, rushed forward very powerfully! And here they are, for the time being, essentially monopolists. But the monopoly on which the economy is built is also bad ... Conventionally, "tomorrow" technologies will appear that will replace rare earth metals with simpler and more affordable elements, and all the advantages will collapse in a moment ...
The economy must be diversified, and only then will it be more or less stable. And without a stable economy, it can be very difficult for China - the costs of maintaining internal resources are huge, and "turning on the printing press for money" is a path to the destruction of the economy ...
In a word, as I wrote at the beginning, everything seems to be fine in China, at the moment it is not bad, but there is no guarantee that this will last for a long time, plus at the moment growth and development are beginning to create internal "tensions."

[DrBeer]

Another "interesting" news from China is the potential, in the near future, the bankruptcy of China Evergrande Group. Who is China Evergrande Group? It is the largest diversified investment holding company, the largest real estate developer in China. The situation can be very similar to the crisis in the United States - the volume of problem obligations, to put it mildly, is gigantic, there are practically no solutions. The crisis in the construction business will lead to a local, but within the whole of China, crisis - the construction sector has been and still remains one of the "locomotives" providing the domestic economy with drive, orders, a real key sector of the economy ... You just have to sit down and watch - it will soon be interesting!

[DrBeer]

China has banned financial institutions and payment companies from providing services related to cryptocurrency transactions.
China's President Xi Jinping has even warned investors not to trade cryptocurrencies that the government considers speculative.
Chinese authorities say the use of crypto money seriously violates the security of people's property. In fact, disrupt the normal economic and financial order.

In addition, as news is coming now, the ruling authorities have begun to "crush" high-tech companies quite tightly. The reasons, as I understand it, are the potential risks associated with the emergence of large, private structures, with large reserves of finance, and a noticeable influence in the regions of China. And also the development and adoption by these societies of the principles of free and democratic communities, which are borrowed in the West, which was the result of a certain period of "freedom" in China, when the people of China were able to personally observe the Western world, having the opportunity to travel outside China.
By the way, for example, the USSR was so afraid of such a situation (the population can safely leave the country) that the laws so limited this possibility that for EXIT it was necessary to have a special passport for EXIT, which had less than 0.1% of the country's population !!! And then, most of the holders of these passports - these were the elites of the USSR (politicians, leaders of different levels, their relatives), access to foreign travel for ordinary citizens - in reality strove to 0 ...

[Sithara007]

If we ignore the political peculiarities of China, then we also have an interesting picture - on the one hand, China ranks 3rd in the world in terms of mineral resources. And even first place in coal! Sounds strong. BUT - resource economies, this is already very outdated. And as history shows, the resource economy is more of a problem than an advantage. There are enough examples - the USSR / RF, Venezuela and similar economies that were fixated on resources.
The only strong advantage of China is that they appreciated the futility of the resource economy in time enough, and began to actively develop the technology sector (by attracting Western companies to open any technological sites). And there is still a small coincidence, from the resource part, but it turned out to be very useful - rare earth metals, of which China has 37% of the world's reserves, and 81% of world production from rare earth metals - and this is the production of high-tech products. And in this "channel", China, of course, rushed forward very powerfully! And here they are, for the time being, essentially monopolists. But the monopoly on which the economy is built is also bad ... Conventionally, "tomorrow" technologies will appear that will replace rare earth metals with simpler and more affordable elements, and all the advantages will collapse in a moment ...
The economy must be diversified, and only then will it be more or less stable. And without a stable economy, it can be very difficult for China - the costs of maintaining internal resources are huge, and "turning on the printing press for money" is a path to the destruction of the economy ...
In a word, as I wrote at the beginning, everything seems to be fine in China, at the moment it is not bad, but there is no guarantee that this will last for a long time, plus at the moment growth and development are beginning to create internal "tensions."

Interesting that you mentioned about the REE. IMO, this is the single-most factor that gave China the advantage in electronics manufacturing. Other countries do have REE deposits, but since the extraction process results in the output of huge quantities of toxins, the governments have banned such mines. This in turn pushed up the prices of REE metals in other countries and provided the manufacturers in China with a huge advantage. Now slowly some of the other countries are opening up to the idea of extracting REE from their domestic deposits.

[xSkylarx]

China - everything is fine! But everything is bad ...

The other day I came across one very interesting article. True, it is in Russian, so I will give here a translation of the key parts for discussion. And you can read the article itself using google translate.

It’s totally how the government, the elites at the top are always ready to do anything just to fatten their pockets no matter if it’s going to affect the people negatively or not, their interest is just on themselves and not those that they are leading. Sometimes I wonder if these people are really humans or monsters in human skin, because they really surprise me with the way they act. They tend to push people to the wall, and time might come when people will get tired of all that’s happening and decide to fight for themselves, and it’s not really going to be good for them.

When I first heard about China, the first thing that came to mind was the one-child policy. I'm not sure if it's still in effect, but they're a monster. I also saw that they'll eat a fetus in a can, which is disgusting. Since the pandemic began in China, they have stood firm, but other countries are struggling. They developed a vaccine, and there are many questions about how quickly they can implement it. On the other hand, we are still struggling right now, whereas for them, everything is fine.

[TheGreatPython]

When I first heard about China, the first thing that came to mind was the one-child policy. I'm not sure if it's still in effect, but they're a monster. I also saw that they'll eat a fetus in a can, which is disgusting. Since the pandemic began in China, they have stood firm, but other countries are struggling. They developed a vaccine, and there are many questions about how quickly they can implement it. On the other hand, we are still struggling right now, whereas for them, everything is fine.

China is very complicated place for understanding because they are doing few things very good but still world is not happy with this all because they are feeling its bad recently they are bringing many new regulations for their own peoples but west is feeling it's against the freedom of humanity, but they are still forcing this all I am a regular visitor and I have faced many things during my stay but still feel they are really going through without listening to anyone just for their own sack even now Corona is also not serious issue all other world is still feeling heat with vaccine is valid for them.

In China crime ratio is very low instead of democratic countries where we have its touching rise after every year and their living standard is also improving with some good work from government they have few policies which are debatable but still its growth is very good and their many new projects attracting world to talk about them.

[DrBeer]

Deepened into the topic of the crisis in China. I found out surprising facts.
1. The scale of the real estate market. In China, it is 30% of the gross domestic product ... Yes, yes, 30%! In the rest of the world, this is a maximum of 7-8%, and that is more likely an exception than a rule.
2. Domestic debt obligations within the construction market in China are preliminarily estimated at hundreds of billions of dollars!
3. The US Federal Reserve, the other day, warned that the level of the expected crisis in China is so high that it may even affect the United States
It looks like we are on the way to a very "fun show"

[Rufsilf]

And, the further, the more difficult it will be for China to follow the achievements of the Western world, because capital has to move on its own, if not it is not capital, but the party moves. "

I disagree with that.China has very good intelligence and awesome hackers.The Chinese are very good at stealing technology from the west,so I don't think that it would be difficult for China to follow the achievements of the Western world.
China has accumulated lots of capital and it will accumulate even more in the future.A part of this capital might run away from China,but there's still lot's of it.
The CCP will keep it's power and authority in the future decades.I'm not a fan of the Chinese Communist Party,but we can't deny the fact that China turned from a third world country into a global economic powerhouse for about 30 years.

And that my friend is why China was once called "The Sleeping Giant". Yes, indeed they were once a large poor country who often gets bullied by other neighbouring countries like Japan but look at them now they're one of the superpower countries with a high technology, and huge defense capabilites that is arguably front the western countries.
So, China is now standing tall against other countries and declared some law that no ever international court ruling could make their law obsolete. That's why CPP is a somehow a treat even to their own citizens because they are the law but we can't deny the fact the CPP is one of the reasons why China is one of the largest economy in the world.

[Wong Gendheng]

China is a big and powerful country that grew to become the biggest economic power, the beginning of the crypto revival was from the miners and trading exchanges in china, but after the ban on all mining and cryptocurrencies made a lot of people worried, but after a few years and most recently banned all cryptocurrencies it didn't have any impact, In fact, the performance of crypto is getting brighter because many Chinese citizens are still active in cryptocurrencies.

[DrBeer]

And, the further, the more difficult it will be for China to follow the achievements of the Western world, because capital has to move on its own, if not it is not capital, but the party moves. "

I disagree with that.China has very good intelligence and awesome hackers.The Chinese are very good at stealing technology from the west,so I don't think that it would be difficult for China to follow the achievements of the Western world.
China has accumulated lots of capital and it will accumulate even more in the future.A part of this capital might run away from China,but there's still lot's of it.
The CCP will keep it's power and authority in the future decades.I'm not a fan of the Chinese Communist Party,but we can't deny the fact that China turned from a third world country into a global economic powerhouse for about 30 years.

And that my friend is why China was once called "The Sleeping Giant". Yes, indeed they were once a large poor country who often gets bullied by other neighbouring countries like Japan but look at them now they're one of the superpower countries with a high technology, and huge defense capabilites that is arguably front the western countries.
So, China is now standing tall against other countries and declared some law that no ever international court ruling could make their law obsolete. That's why CPP is a somehow a treat even to their own citizens because they are the law but we can't deny the fact the CPP is one of the reasons why China is one of the largest economy in the world.

Once upon a time, China was indeed a great empire. But time changes a lot, then came the times of decline. At the beginning of the 20th century, the ideas of communism-socialism, in the Soviet interpretation, with a flavor of Eastern totalitarianism, came to China. China, the USSR, and most other "socialist" countries initially denied all the values ​​that the Western world carried - the value of life, private property, the legal system. Including denial of copyright. Theft of technology has become for many countries of the socialist camp, and joined them, the only way to be at least a little civilized and have at least some technology. The greatness of the Chinese economy has become a consequence (whether it is a mistake or not, a topic for a separate dialogue) of the trust of Western countries, investments in the Chinese economy, the transfer of jobs, along with technologies, and the organization of demand for manufactured goods in their markets.

[abhiseshakana]

Once upon a time, China was indeed a great empire. But time changes a lot, then came the times of decline. At the beginning of the 20th century, the ideas of communism-socialism, in the Soviet interpretation, with a flavor of Eastern totalitarianism, came to China. China, the USSR, and most other "socialist" countries initially denied all the values ​​that the Western world carried - the value of life, private property, the legal system. Including denial of copyright. Theft of technology has become for many countries of the socialist camp, and joined them, the only way to be at least a little civilized and have at least some technology. The greatness of the Chinese economy has become a consequence (whether it is a mistake or not, a topic for a separate dialogue) of the trust of Western countries, investments in the Chinese economy, the transfer of jobs, along with technologies, and the organization of demand for manufactured goods in their markets.

China is not a country, China is a civilization, as seen from China's infiltration around the world. Especially on market domination. China has a strategy that as a producing country China will control world trade and finance. Through a country's trade deficit with China, China will pressure the country to use Yuan in its transactions, which means the country loses its economy to China. China debuted as a producer country initially by offering cheap labor and then accepting tolling services, then legalizing duplication & counterfeiting for habituation and preparation for upstream industrial development, after everything was ready in China they expanded their influence to countries with poor people and weak leaders, provide debt not in the form of money but goods in order to widen their market coverage. China has Yuan and renmimbi which are very effective in boosting China's economic growth. So which country will follow in China's footsteps ?

[amishmanish]

You will never convince the free people of the world, much less bitcoiners, that an optimal method of scoial governance needs an over-arching central authority "managing" the best for everyone else.

Which government in the world is not a central authority? This is not what I said, this is what the history of mankind has told us for thousands of years. Those countries or groups that have centralized power have all perished in the course of history.

Glad you agree that countries with "centralized power have all perished in the course of history". I am sure CCP is not a central power and His Highness, The great Mr. Jinping didn't just change the rules to give himself an extended term.

Your reply to my point about idiomatic usage of "All people are free to vote and express" in context of democracies just shows that your brain is unable to even comprehend democracy. Like i said earlier, lets leave it at that. You have already shown your true colors with expressions like "Stupid people with their stupid votes" etc., so there really is no need to elaborate on that. I will still address your typical CCP tactic of trying to target democracies for their internal problems. You clearly are up to date with your handbook of "talking points" with various nationalities. If its India, talk about Ganges and population and toilets. If its USA, talk about racism and BLM riots and Iraq.

You think of my response to you as a kind of "manual". Your mind is imprisoned. Have you not noticed it yet? The opinions expressed by active users on the forum are understood by you as a "manual". When I talk about the problems of your country, if you only regard these problems as my strategy to attack you, do these problems no longer exist?

You have no talking points on actual systems of governance or the fact that Democracies indeed empower people beyond anything that communism or any other form of "centrally-controlled" system does. On top of that, what kind of lives do people live when they always have to toe the same line as everyone else. That is just stupid and inhuman to a lot of normal people in other parts of the world.

I don't care what you say, I live in China and I don't envy any other country. As a girl, if I choose India or China, my answer is China. I might die in India. Do girls have freedom in India?

Likewise, I don't care what you say. Just don't come here telling people about the "perfect" system and how democracies are somehow "slow" and "complex" and "every fool can vote". Send me  a DM if you ever come to India. No you won't die. And yes, girls have a lot of freedom in India.

So are they no longer making y'all wear face-shaping makeup and tiny-toe shoes? LOL, talk about stereotypes. Talk to me when they stop sending businessmen to jail based on hearsay and "for picking up fights". LOL you people.

[hyudien]

I don't care what you say, I live in China and I don't envy any other country. As a girl, if I choose India or China, my answer is China. I might die in India. Do girls have freedom in India?

Likewise, I don't care what you say. Just don't come here telling people about the "perfect" system and how democracies are somehow "slow" and "complex" and "every fool can vote". Send me  a DM if you ever come to India. No you won't die. And yes, girls have a lot of freedom in India.

So are they no longer making y'all wear face-shaping makeup and tiny-toe shoes? LOL, talk about stereotypes. Talk to me when they stop sending businessmen to jail based on hearsay and "for picking up fights". LOL you people.

Agree, this paradigm should not become things that cause selfishness just because it has cultural differences and the same customs and traditions as well as ethnic high schools. Like it or not, all are in a well-guarded corridor. I like Indian women even as a child my parents said with a saying that I don't know where I got "if you want to know women of heaven, then in the world there are only 2 countries that reflect it all, 10% are india women and arabic women" (based on trust). Instantly it became an inspiration that I never expected.

Back to the problem that China often gives is as if it will become a superpower with all the CCP structures that Mao Zedong gave. Until now, the authoritarian government has only narrowed the freedom that was born since Communism existed in China. Even the previous Falun Gong was crushed and rehabilitated like crazy. Colonization in one's own country is a disease that should not spread to other countries in ASIA.

[savetheFORUM]

I don’t really like the CCP system of government, a government where people don't have the freedom to speak up their mind and not be punished for it. I’ve heard a lot of stories about the Chinese government and how they keep on controlling the people and controlling the money that comes in and out of the country, they just have to take control over everything in the country and the people do not have the freedom to do really whatever they want to do.

I’ve even seen a minor situation that I would say that they really don’t matter, but the government of China will still intervene in situations like this, that doesn’t even make any sense at all. It will soon get to a level where the people will not be able to tolerate this kind of government and they might have to retaliate.

[dark1234]

China with the CCP system that has been implemented for so long and there have been several policies which in fact are more of a form of restraint and prohibition so that they tend to cut the value of freedom.... but looking at the Chinese population who are very binding and tolerant of the CCP based government so they don't protest with what has been decided and there may be some but it doesn't last long so they will stay so will not act as sincere CCP people

[Lubang Bawah]

China is a big and strong country that is difficult to guess, when 2018 they banned cryptocurrencies, the impact was significant because it made cryptocurrencies almost die, but now whatever China does, for example, banned all cryptocurrencies, it has no impact because the global cryptocurrencies community is very strong and does not depend on 1 or 2 country.

[DrBeer]

Once upon a time, China was indeed a great empire. But time changes a lot, then came the times of decline. At the beginning of the 20th century, the ideas of communism-socialism, in the Soviet interpretation, with a flavor of Eastern totalitarianism, came to China. China, the USSR, and most other "socialist" countries initially denied all the values ​​that the Western world carried - the value of life, private property, the legal system. Including denial of copyright. Theft of technology has become for many countries of the socialist camp, and joined them, the only way to be at least a little civilized and have at least some technology. The greatness of the Chinese economy has become a consequence (whether it is a mistake or not, a topic for a separate dialogue) of the trust of Western countries, investments in the Chinese economy, the transfer of jobs, along with technologies, and the organization of demand for manufactured goods in their markets.

China is not a country, China is a civilization, as seen from China's infiltration around the world. Especially on market domination. China has a strategy that as a producing country China will control world trade and finance. Through a country's trade deficit with China, China will pressure the country to use Yuan in its transactions, which means the country loses its economy to China. China debuted as a producer country initially by offering cheap labor and then accepting tolling services, then legalizing duplication & counterfeiting for habituation and preparation for upstream industrial development, after everything was ready in China they expanded their influence to countries with poor people and weak leaders, provide debt not in the form of money but goods in order to widen their market coverage. China has Yuan and renmimbi which are very effective in boosting China's economic growth. So which country will follow in China's footsteps ?

I respect China, but the truth is more important to me ... China, in its own way, is a great country that has left a strong mark on human civilization, has known ups and downs.  But it's probably too early to make it super unique
The fact that China says so is its own fantasies. It became a mass producer only thanks to investments from the west. The West wanted to improve the quality of life at home by removing production facilities where there was cheap labor force and the necessary resources. This is not the merit of China, it is the merit of those who gave this opportunity. But as the saying goes, "as he gave, so he will take." I do not exclude that as a result of the growing crisis in China, many manufacturers will either resume their production, or consumers will change suppliers - for example, Latin American countries - what is not a platform? China may want to, but impose on strong economies, its economy does not allow it yet. It seems to be one of the largest, but it depends on the consumer market. Take away consumers from China and the market will collapse. A "good example" is the housing market. The same will happen with anyone else.
ps No offense - let's really assess the situation?

[Finestream]

I don’t really like the CCP system of government, a government where people don't have the freedom to speak up their mind and not be punished for it. I’ve heard a lot of stories about the Chinese government and how they keep on controlling the people and controlling the money that comes in and out of the country, they just have to take control over everything in the country and the people do not have the freedom to do really whatever they want to do.

I’ve even seen a minor situation that I would say that they really don’t matter, but the government of China will still intervene in situations like this, that doesn’t even make any sense at all. It will soon get to a level where the people will not be able to tolerate this kind of government and they might have to retaliate.

China and North Korea are very alike but China is a country with a democratic state that is controlled by the communist party who's president is also a member of CPP. I don't know what's the motive of that certain party why they like to control almost everything inside that country but it's already very greedy that it comes to a point now that they're bullying small neighbouring countries in Asia.
That's is why almost every people in the mainland of China is moving to SAR namely Hong Kong and Macau because they're more safe there and they have freedom unlike when they're in the mainland.