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August 24, 2021, 02:08:46 PM
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Maybe they have a bigger percentage of players in the poorest part of the country. It's also more convenient and cheaper for them to hold a gambling event in the poorest areas. We also know that poorer people are more into gambling than lots of rich people because they're hoping that gambling could change their lives.

Sad thing to notice on human behaviour is that despite being poor, they always want to show they are not poor by impressing the people around them with the habit they can't last for long.

Instead of just chosing some other entertainment that don't need risking hard earned money. The science is that poor men feels good when they pretend to have money thru the vices they have like cocain or cigarrette somking or gambling.


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August 24, 2021, 02:11:13 PM
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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.



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August 24, 2021, 02:16:42 PM
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Maybe they have a bigger percentage of players in the poorest part of the country. It's also more convenient and cheaper for them to hold a gambling event in the poorest areas. We also know that poorer people are more into gambling than lots of rich people because they're hoping that gambling could change their lives.
Of course there's more poor people that is gambling than those at the middle and upper class, remember that those in the middle and upper at the least knows that gambling and excessive gambling is only good for the gambling houses plus this people have a tradition of gambling that's why they have more gambling there.

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August 24, 2021, 02:32:39 PM
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Well, that's should be expected.

Poor people can't resist any ways to earn money at a very fast phase, that's the reason why they put casinos in such place to gain money for their business, which I think is kinda selfish for a wealthy person who owns a lot of casinos (it's all about money I guess). What makes me sad is that those poor people for sure are illiterate when it comes to decision making, and desperate to earn money for them to ignore the casino nearby to their places.

I hope most of them would realize sooner that it is better to earn money in the hard way (yet safer) unlike spending it on casinos.
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August 24, 2021, 03:15:29 PM
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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.

That's not really the main purpose of building a casino in a place for the poor, maybe it can be an income for those who can become workers, service providers and things that might get tips from rich people who play gambling. I think it depends on the casino's policy with the aim of providing opportunities for the poor to earn more money, because if it's aiming to drain money it's not the right place.

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August 24, 2021, 03:43:47 PM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


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21% gambling venues - located in poorest part
2% gambling venues- located in wealthiest part

What about the remaining 77%? Are they located in those parts where middle income group people lives?

Then how come the data concludes that only poors are being targeted? I don't see that!

Care to explain?

Also wealthy people don't have time to gamble. These segment of people are usually self disciplined and they are extremely busy. So we can separate them from our discussion!

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August 24, 2021, 03:48:53 PM
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Well, that's should be expected.

Poor people can't resist any ways to earn money at a very fast phase, that's the reason why they put casinos in such place to gain money for their business, which I think is kinda selfish for a wealthy person who owns a lot of casinos (it's all about money I guess). What makes me sad is that those poor people for sure are illiterate when it comes to decision making, and desperate to earn money for them to ignore the casino nearby to their places.

I hope most of them would realize sooner that it is better to earn money in the hard way (yet safer) unlike spending it on casinos.
I think you are missing something, it's not that casino owners like to build their casino building only on a rich city because it would attract more potential gamblers but the fact that land owner will demand more because it's a crowded city and they expect you already that as a casino owner you will gain more profit than them and that's the demand and supply for them.

That's why I believe most of these casinos are built on poorest part of the country is to save some money for rental fees. And that's the point why they built it there. I don't know if poor people could afford to gamble if their salaries are not enough for them to feed their own stomach.

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August 24, 2021, 06:05:27 PM
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I think that according to social formulas, poor people are more prone to gambling addiction, and they part with their money more easily trying to win and get rich from gambling... Probably the poor areas do not have expensive casinos like in Las Vegas, but ordinary beggarly bars with slot machines... And of course you're right about the cheap rent... it's not profitable to keep a cheap casino in an expensive district...

I don't read much about the stats but I know that UK indeed has a high rank in terms of gambling industry. Many people on UK was doing gambling so maybe the area is just strategic for gamblers besides on the point you mention above. UK has a lot of gambler residents so you can have a lot of customer wherever you put the casino location or maybe Casino was already established on that area before poor people live around it.
The UK has some of the most liberal laws when it comes to gambling around the world and while I do not think this is causing addiction at the same time we need to recognize that if you are more exposed to a certain activity then the more likely that you are going to eventually try it and you are not going to see anything wrong with it, so I can understand why there are some voices there which want to more strictly regulate gambling in order to decrease gambling addictions.

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August 24, 2021, 06:17:05 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
I do not see any target here, if the casino is located near the poorest part of the country it is mainly because the taxes are low and the rentals are low as well and these casinos could actually boost the local economy as the locals will be getting jobs in these venues. If there is much evidence regarding this then we can tell but there is nothing here even to speculate.

When referring to the economic empowerment of the people there, what is the thirst for establishing a gambling casino where we often think that gambling only cares about money? Except it's about cheap taxation and people can take advantage of the percentage that is set aside by the casino owner. Some of these perspectives can be a reference. Besides spending the money of the rich, of course, those who are economically backward have incentives that can be obtained from the casino.

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August 24, 2021, 07:20:24 PM
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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.
They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.
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August 24, 2021, 07:24:40 PM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

This seems like an inevitable, if sad, outcome of the society that we live in. Psychologically speaking gambling is a fools game, the only time that rich people will tend to gamble is purely for some light entertainment and the amounts involved will likely be insignificant to their overall wealth. Rich people who have earned money themselves will always have grasp of how hard it is to earn and more importantly, they do not gamble to chase the dream of becoming rich via shortcuts - they're already there. Poor people generally have a lower standard of education and may struggle to comprehend the astronomical odds against them ever making a meaningful return on their bets. The only way to break this cycle is to teach better financial education within schools and generally push back against the most predatory behavior of gambling instiutions.

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August 24, 2021, 08:21:48 PM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

21% gambling venues - located in poorest part
2% gambling venues- located in wealthiest part

What about the remaining 77%? Are they located in those parts where middle income group people lives?

Then how come the data concludes that only poors are being targeted? I don't see that!

Care to explain?

Also wealthy people don't have time to gamble. These segment of people are usually self disciplined and they are extremely busy. So we can separate them from our discussion!

another thing to add is how big these venus are in terms of how many people they can offer services
maybe these 2% could bring more people than the venues located in the poorest part of the country?
also curious on how big is income of venues located on top x bottom income places

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August 24, 2021, 08:24:49 PM
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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.
They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.
Taxing the poor via those gambling houses? I dont know on where you do get this idea but it is really out of the charts..Why they would consider out on taxing into someone which doesnt have income?

Gambling houses might have considered on building their venue into these places due to those reasons you had mentioned which they are particularly taking advantage on what a poor mind does have

and the desperation that they do have where they do need to make money even on the fastest and riskiest way and this turns out to be successful because no further establishments would be created
if they do look that it wasnt really effective.

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August 24, 2021, 08:34:36 PM
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It's great to hear how casinos are founded on economic instability in certain areas, first things first for sure some areas of the UK with all the tax evasion are quite reasonable.

Then about things that can be positive or negative, regardless of how the casino has been set up to date and in fact people tend to support it or they are deliberately trying to get every rich person to spend their money there.

Take advantage, and let them take their fortune slowly by providing a gambling house.

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August 24, 2021, 08:47:55 PM
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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.
They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

Makes sense, if they can't get tax from poor people by legal ways, with this move, the government can still get money from them via getting tax from the casinos. I don't think casinos can hide from the government because it is an infrastructure that you can't miss. I am more of cheaper rent in this area. Aside from that, people in this kind of neighborhood like this business, because a lot of them will go to this place because a lot of them have no jobs, and they will try their luck here. Even though, we know winning is slippery in this game.
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August 24, 2021, 09:12:32 PM
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Taxing the poor via those gambling houses? I dont know on where you do get this idea but it is really out of the charts..Why they would consider out on taxing into someone which doesnt have income?

Gambling houses might have considered on building their venue into these places due to those reasons you had mentioned which they are particularly taking advantage on what a poor mind does have

and the desperation that they do have where they do need to make money even on the fastest and riskiest way and this turns out to be successful because no further establishments would be created
if they do look that it wasnt really effective.

probably they got this idea from the common idea that lottery is a tax on the poor
though I agree with you that gambling houses aren't, first because they are usually private and not run by the government
second because it's really different than lottery, and prices/money needed to play are higher than lottery too.

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August 24, 2021, 09:56:02 PM
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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.
They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

Makes sense, if they can't get tax from poor people by legal ways, with this move, the government can still get money from them via getting tax from the casinos. I don't think casinos can hide from the government because it is an infrastructure that you can't miss. I am more of cheaper rent in this area. Aside from that, people in this kind of neighborhood like this business, because a lot of them will go to this place because a lot of them have no jobs, and they will try their luck here. Even though, we know winning is slippery in this game.
Might true but its totally dumb that poor people would really be making some shot on playing into these casinos.If this is truly the reason then its really effective because
it wouldnt really be that many on that place if they arent making money and if its the way on taxing out poor people then they would impose higher percentage that
they would get into the gambling house itself but well it isnt really that much of an issue since it wouldnt really be that a serious amount to be taken.

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August 24, 2021, 09:56:55 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
^ I think the cheaper rent, not the poor people were targeted by them. In the first place, how the poor people can able to survive in gambling through financial if they are really poor, it will surely they don't have money. It is because if you have a local currency especially in the third world country compared to the dollar, it has a big value when you are in a third world country. Probably on this topic that was the reason why they are in poor areas just because they know they will survive and long last from the rent. Nevertheless, we cant draw here an exact reason and purpose why they are in a poor country.
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August 24, 2021, 10:32:23 PM
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Remember that correlation does not equal causation.

I don't think that they are likely targeting poor individuals at all, in fact that would be a rather stupid business move don't you think?

Rather, it is likely because the price of real estate/rentals are simply too unaffordable in more affluent neighbourhoods and there is a general lack of demand in gambling services in these areas. You have to look beneath the surface to dig out the truth with these stats.

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August 24, 2021, 11:15:43 PM
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Remember that correlation does not equal causation.

I don't think that they are likely targeting poor individuals at all, in fact that would be a rather stupid business move don't you think?

Rather, it is likely because the price of real estate/rentals are simply too unaffordable in more affluent neighbourhoods and there is a general lack of demand in gambling services in these areas. You have to look beneath the surface to dig out the truth with these stats.
Do you know Poor individual spend more compare to rich people who always buy the branded items?
This is why Chinese businesses are growing because of a cheaper product and of course they are targeting the poor people or at least those who are on a middle class.

So for me, this is same thing with the strategy of those gambling site or maybe they are just expanding their businesses all over the country to dominate the gambling activities on that specific are. The volume of middle to poor class are way more compare to rich people who prefer to play on a most exclusive venue, how can a business grow if they only work with the rich people?
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