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August 23, 2021, 09:04:03 PM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report
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August 23, 2021, 10:26:30 PM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
There are a lot of pros for gambling venues that gives them a reasons to open their venues in poor parts. One is, as you already mentioned, the cheap rent and low payed employees, this saves some good money for them, nothing hugely significant but... After all, it's business aim to maximize profits. Then, it's also pretty common that poor people gamble the most and the higest revenue for casinos are poor people because these people find it hard to earn a lot of money and/or find normal job and then they test their fortune in gambling. The casino where I was working was full of poor people, i.e. full of those who were putting all of their hopes in last bets.

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August 23, 2021, 10:41:24 PM
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The cheaper rents is a likely reason for them to setup there knowing it's one way to reduce the risk for their business. The poor are surely being targeted here as most of them will be looking for other ways to make money and eventually some of them would become regulars. On top of this I feel like wealthier people would gamble less overall as they can afford and choose different kinds of entertainment. Here in my place the gambling situation is somewhat the same as there's a lot of lottery shops open nearby.

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August 23, 2021, 10:47:30 PM
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The cheaper rents is a likely reason for them to setup there knowing it's one way to reduce the risk for their business. The poor are surely being targeted here as most of them will be looking for other ways to make money and eventually some of them would become regulars. On top of this I feel like wealthier people would gamble less overall as they can afford and choose different kinds of entertainment.

or else, wealthy neighbourhoods don't want much noise around their area. usually, they prefer quiet community. because if there are casinos around their area, definitely, it will be a busy place, restaurants or hotels or other commercial establishments. but with relatively poor community, they like the hustle and bustle as they are looking for ways on how to earn money. with more establishments, it means, jobs for them. so maybe, aside from the cheaper rent, this type of community is more welcoming in this kind of business because of the benefits they can get.

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August 23, 2021, 10:59:09 PM
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This is something that left me with a lot of questions because I've always thought that the rich are the ones who spend the most money on gambling and consequently it makes more sense that casinos are located in the rich zones even in order to bring more security and comfort to the rich. In my country, for example, the casinos are located in the rich district and the rich are the biggest regulars in physical casinos in my country. what is happening in the uk may be an exception, does anyone have stats from the USA for example to know if they have the same scenario with the uk? I see in movies and series that in las vegas there in the US and where there are many casinos, I don't know if that's true, but I think that in the US gambling should are located in the rich neighborhoods or am I making a mistake?

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August 23, 2021, 11:04:17 PM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report
I doubt the casinos are targeting the poor only. That would be a such a bad business model, don't you think? Or are you trying to say that they are trying to take advantage of those desperate people trying their luck to get rich? Would make sense but I doubt that is still going to work for the casino in the long run. Like you said, highly likely because of low cost of rent and cheap labor is the key reason why they are located over there.  

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August 23, 2021, 11:07:20 PM
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I know only little about UK, but my common sense says they (gambling venues) aren't specifically targeting the poor. Yes, it can be related to more expensive rent, and overall cost, or the acceptance of local community since the rich want privacy, comfort, safety, which can be disrupted by gambling operation especially if it's a residential area. I think in rich business areas, there should be present gambling venues.

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August 23, 2021, 11:17:49 PM
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Another reason apart from the economic cost and employment opportunities, may be because of accessibility and convenience. Gambling venues are located in places where the vast majority of persons both the poor and the rich that still gamble offline will have no problems visiting. A rich person can easily access the gambling venues in these poor locations (so far they are safe) and still place his bet of they are the type that like gambling, but the reverse is the case for the poor who will not want to go so far or go into a rich location to gamble.

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August 23, 2021, 11:40:09 PM
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Reading the article, it's already mentioned the probable one of the reasons why it turned out that gambling venues are mostly on deprived areas.

And we quote; "those living in poorer areas are more likely to be living next to gambling premises. Those with the least resources are being targeted more, with twice as many gambling venues on their doorstep as supermarkets."

My take on this, the fact that these people are in deprived areas, they still have the financial capability to gamble at these land-based casinos to deal with their luck. There's no reason for the gambling operations to put up their casinos in these areas if it's not gaining good revenue.

Can we still call or consider it as "deprived areas" in general?

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August 23, 2021, 11:41:05 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
I do not see any target here, if the casino is located near the poorest part of the country it is mainly because the taxes are low and the rentals are low as well and these casinos could actually boost the local economy as the locals will be getting jobs in these venues. If there is much evidence regarding this then we can tell but there is nothing here even to speculate.
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August 23, 2021, 11:48:45 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Would rather believe that this is a matter of rent and also gambling casinos wont really flourish out if there's no demand of they arent making good revenue which lets exclude that rich people are doing online
gambling instead on going to physical places.This is a matter of rent which is cheaper but as a big business it is odd that they wont really be placing themselves on the capital because rent issues wouldnt
really be that much of a matter or in concern.If its true that they do really target out poor people or on whose in average then thats quite an effective way of making profits for their part.

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August 23, 2021, 11:53:45 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
I do not see any target here, if the casino is located near the poorest part of the country it is mainly because the taxes are low and the rentals are low as well and these casinos could actually boost the local economy as the locals will be getting jobs in these venues. If there is much evidence regarding this then we can tell but there is nothing here even to speculate.
I agree with you, moreover I would add if 20% of the gambling venues are located in the poorest parts of the country, it means that 80% aren't located there... And saying only 2% are located in the wealthiest parts of the country, doesn't really make sense because there is usually not any shops in those areas, they are mainly residential.

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August 24, 2021, 01:39:05 AM
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I'd say cheaper rents. And probably a whole load of pain in the ass papers to process if they were to ever locate their casinos in wealthy places. If it were to be made into a hub instead, then there's a possibility since the profits outweigh the cons, but if it was just a single casino or two? It'd honestly be not worth it ngl. Not to mention that casinos located for the wealthy would probably have all those bunch of fancy smanshy stuff that would cost them more.

And to be fair, from a business perspective, it is a lot easier to milk money off of the poor people. They are taking advantage of them yes, but again it is viewed at from a business perspective where profits reign as the number one reason.

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August 24, 2021, 02:27:02 AM
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There are probably different explanations or interpretations of these data. But I am inclined to think that it may be true. Gambling for the rich is a form of hobby. It is mostly just for fun. Being that, the rich may not be drawn to it all the time because they could afford a lot of other leisure options or even that many of them are quite busy. But the poor are often drawn into gambling more often because gambling for them may not be just a mere hobby. It is more than that. It is a way for them to make easy money which is what they badly need all the time, which is of course wrong.
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August 24, 2021, 02:47:40 AM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
The casino owners will search for a cheaper place to rent and open the casino but that does not mean they attract attention from the poor to playing gambling. That is just coincidentally if the casino owner opens their business in the poorest areas. If the poor people visit that place and playing gambling, that will not be a mistake from the casino because they do not invite them to come to their place. If the poor do not think much about playing gambling, they can take care of themselves and will not try gambling because of the risk. But that can give the opportunity for people from that place to have a job as an employee.

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It's usually the poor who seeks easy money through gambling. It's not just by chance that they just thought of establishing a casino in a particular place without strategic marketing in mind. If the location can easily be reached by people and there is foot traffic, any business will thrive in such a place as long as there are also businesses around the area. Employees of these businesses will have a good time and casino could be a place for entertainment.

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I think the poor are hoping for the best in their risks. It's like targeting the highest risk with the highest rewards, and that's not healthy at all. I believe it's saddening to see this happening in the most inferior part of the country. It is educating them on how to minimize their losses and understanding that you should only gamble if you are willing to lose what you are risking.

Mostly, it's going to be those who believe in the get rich quick type of schemes as well, It doesn't matter if what they're investing in is good or not, but that's just the reality. They should change their mindset to escape the never-ending wheel.

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Or maybe the poor people tends to risk on gambling to have 'easy' money and hope to become rich sooner.

As opposed to those rich people who work very hard on their asses to become wealthy. So obviously, they are not willing to put their hard end money on gambling and prefer to re-invest it somewhere. So I guess those operators are playing with poor people emotions and psychology and the environment itself.

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Definitely, I mean, less fortunate people tend to take risk in order to make quick buck or a chance to a jackpot. Even in my area when I was young, although there were no casino, illegal gambling is very rampant.  They realize that there are money to be made on gambling on poorer areas. so I am not surprised that they decided to set casinos there. They are businessman, and for them, profit comes first.

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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

That's just garbage.

This is not new, it happens in most if not all countries that I know of and has nothing to do with the internet. The issue is as simple as that the rich know that the casino is not a good way to make money, that's why they don't gamble as much. They don't gamble as much-there is less demand-there are fewer gambling establishments opening in wealthy areas.

I think the poor are hoping for the best in their risks. It's like targeting the highest risk with the highest rewards, and that's not healthy at all....

Mostly, it's going to be those who believe in the get rich quick type of schemes as well...

This

Or maybe the poor people tends to risk on gambling to have 'easy' money and hope to become rich sooner.

As opposed to those rich people who work very hard on their asses to become wealthy. So obviously, they are not willing to put their hard end money on gambling and prefer to re-invest it somewhere. So I guess those operators are playing with poor people emotions and psychology and the environment itself.

And this.

This does not mean that the rich do not play, they do play but the percentage of people in wealthy areas is much lower. I would also add another thing: in rich areas they know more mathematics (on average) than in poor areas.

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August 24, 2021, 05:38:00 AM
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Definitely, I mean, less fortunate people tend to take risk in order to make quick buck or a chance to a jackpot. They realize that there money to be make on gambling on poorer areas soI am not surprised that they decided to set casinos there. They are businessman and for them profit comes first.

Then they are not less fortunate people. Casinos established a business there meaning it's profitable despite being a deprived area and more people are attracted to the business. They have money to play and gamble on it.

And maybe it's cheaper to start a business there compare to the capital as the areas are not that established.

But searching the internet, the poor areas in the UK still have a good look and you won't think there are lots of poor there. Still beautiful compare to poor areas in other countries like here lol.

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August 24, 2021, 05:52:48 AM
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It's normal I think it's the same for all nation's of the world it's always the poorest regions with less taxation that has the highest number of gambling centers since the government mostly pays lesser attention to those areas and the cost of renting a venue for their gambling business is cheaper compared to urban cities
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August 24, 2021, 05:57:03 AM
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It's normal I think it's the same for all nation's of the world it's always the poorest regions with less taxation that has the highest number of gambling centers since the government mostly pays lesser attention to those areas and the cost of renting a venue for their gambling business is cheaper compared to urban cities

In a way it is nice as well if we have some in those regions since people will travel to that place to play and in that case the upliftment or the employment of those areas increases be it in way of restaurant, hotel industry, travel cabs etc and those provides more opportunities to locals.

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Because the poor people are the most that gamble and waste their money on gambling the most, remember that around 90% of lottery players come from the poor neighborhood so it's not surprising that gambling areas are near those neighborhood.
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.
Here you are talking about 20% which must be not that significant compared to the rest of 80% gambling venues, right? When I first start reading this, 20% at poorest part means what about the percentage of wealthiest people's regions. Does that survey have anything in-between poor and wealthy category? When one category (poor) part is having 20% then it seems to me like a normal thing regardless of what other parts are doing (overall, I feel like there should be some error on this study or this study should be talking about uniform distribution of gambling houses among rich and poor parts of UK but definitely not about targeting poor, it seems).

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August 24, 2021, 08:50:58 AM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

I think the business owners really know their shit.

They know you can only get poorer by gambling so they don't target the rich people because they are rich because they ain't dumb to play too much.

Instead they target the poor people because they are dumb and dumb people play more and more and keep getting poorer.

It is a brilliant business decision.

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August 24, 2021, 09:23:00 AM
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I think the business owners really know their shit.

They know you can only get poorer by gambling so they don't target the rich people because they are rich because they ain't dumb to play too much.

Instead, they target the poor people because they are dumb and dumb people play more and more and keep getting poorer.

It is a brilliant business decision.

It's something I heard a long time ago, casinos are making more profit from small gamblers who are always trying to make a big profit, and that simply rarely happens. So I am not surprised with this report, poor people wish to get rich and casinos provide the chance for that... Just in the reality, these people are losing from day to day that little what they have.
For sure casinos knows what's good for their business, would be stupid if they don't.

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Because the poor people are the most that gamble and waste their money on gambling the most, remember that around 90% of lottery players come from the poor neighborhood so it's not surprising that gambling areas are near those neighborhood.
Exactly, gambling gives the illusion of getting out of poverty in just a matter of one bet or gamble in something, that's why most poor people gamble because they want to get a good life. Of course this isn't true since gambling is designed to take your money and not give it to you. Another reason is that people don't have anything better to do so they pass the time through gambling.

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August 24, 2021, 09:38:52 AM
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I think this is the same everywhere in the world though, and even in countries where it's illegal, you find the underground ones the most in poor cities and rural towns where the police don't really do anything because there's no hi speed internet or other forms of entertainment.

I think also we have to know what they count.

A scratchcard shop (considered gambling) in a poor town is not the same as a roulette machine in the city right?

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Exactly, gambling gives the illusion of getting out of poverty in just a matter of one bet or gamble in something, that's why most poor people gamble because they want to get a good life. Of course this isn't true since gambling is designed to take your money and not give it to you. Another reason is that people don't have anything better to do so they pass the time through gambling.
That's the word that I was looking for, illusion. What you say is true and I think that the people at the top is going to want to keep it that way because they benefit in this kind of scheme the most and they have the utmost control. Haven't considered that some poor don't have any better past times but it seems fitting why they are the most people in the strata that gambles.
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This is just another attempt to get gambling banned by the anti-gambling lobby. Sometimes I wonder why these lobby losers don't do a job for a living. The real reason is that it is always easier to set up casinos and gambling joints in the poor areas, as the rent is low and manpower is available in sufficient quantities. Casinos actually help the people in these areas, by providing them with direct and indirect employment. If we listen to the anti-gambling nutjobs, then these people will lose their jobs and will be forced to beg on the street. Perhaps that is exactly what they want.
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

The poor being targeted, no doubt about that. Why? Because they are less educated, and thus they can believe in various "winning strategies" and stuff,  and play endlessly generating the profit for the owners of gambling venues. But that's not all. I suspect that those gambling outlets are of such quality that it would be pointless to put them in the rich areas, few people would play there.

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August 24, 2021, 10:45:48 AM
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You are indeed correct. The poor is being targeted. It's not because the rent is cheaper, they can always make up for that if they badly want their business to be planted. Why put it in the wealthiest venue if they know they are not going to spend more and they will just use casinos as just a meeting place or for a little pleasure. While the poor will use gambling as means of risking more for a chance to be rich.
That's all the reason behind it and they are just using the cheap rent for an excuse.

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Targeting the poor? maybe, but it could be why many gambling venues are located in poor areas because the number of poor people is more than the rich so it takes a lot of venues to accommodate those who love to gamble, or it could be the reason because of rental fees or the salaries of employees who also inexpensive.
I don't know about the UK, but is it possible because regulators in poor areas are corrupt officials and receive a lot of money from the gambling industry in their area? so there are many gambling venues there.

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August 24, 2021, 11:53:50 AM
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okay let say its cheap to build a business on that areas but what if theres only less people that will gamble due to thier state of living ?
being poor doesnt always mean that they are also poor to think of how to manage thier wealth .
if i were them i will position in central areas where its closer to rich people because there will be that will gamble offline more than online .
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report
Casinos target everyone, there is no difference between the rich and poor except their betting money. Probably they think that rich people are busy so they may not be spending time for that and you only covered 22% then where the remaining 78% of the casinos are located?

It will be obvious in a place where middle class people are living more and they are the target for most of the business in this world.
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I think that according to social formulas, poor people are more prone to gambling addiction, and they part with their money more easily trying to win and get rich from gambling... Probably the poor areas do not have expensive casinos like in Las Vegas, but ordinary beggarly bars with slot machines... And of course you're right about the cheap rent... it's not profitable to keep a cheap casino in an expensive district...

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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

That makes totally sense for me and as sad as it sounds it is also pretty logical. This kinda reminds me of the statistics of smoking too. I recently read that, at least in germany, smoking becomes more and more a habit of the lower social classes. Which maybe seems pretty odd at first because as far as i know one pack of cigarettes costs around 6€ in germany so if you smoke 1 pack a day you have to spend 180€ a month only for your smoking habit, which is a huge amount of money especially for poorer people and still a much bigger share of them are regular smokers in comparison to people of normal or high wealth. So i would say just take care of your self and make sure that you are not one of those poor people that is already in need of money but still throws away their last nickel with gambling. Only gamble if you can afford to do so.
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August 24, 2021, 01:34:31 PM
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I think that according to social formulas, poor people are more prone to gambling addiction, and they part with their money more easily trying to win and get rich from gambling... Probably the poor areas do not have expensive casinos like in Las Vegas, but ordinary beggarly bars with slot machines... And of course you're right about the cheap rent... it's not profitable to keep a cheap casino in an expensive district...

I don't read much about the stats but I know that UK indeed has a high rank in terms of gambling industry. Many people on UK was doing gambling so maybe the area is just strategic for gamblers besides on the point you mention above. UK has a lot of gambler residents so you can have a lot of customer wherever you put the casino location or maybe Casino was already established on that area before poor people live around it.

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August 24, 2021, 01:52:15 PM
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Maybe they have a bigger percentage of players in the poorest part of the country. It's also more convenient and cheaper for them to hold a gambling event in the poorest areas. We also know that poorer people are more into gambling than lots of rich people because they're hoping that gambling could change their lives.
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Maybe they have a bigger percentage of players in the poorest part of the country. It's also more convenient and cheaper for them to hold a gambling event in the poorest areas. We also know that poorer people are more into gambling than lots of rich people because they're hoping that gambling could change their lives.

Sad thing to notice on human behaviour is that despite being poor, they always want to show they are not poor by impressing the people around them with the habit they can't last for long.

Instead of just chosing some other entertainment that don't need risking hard earned money. The science is that poor men feels good when they pretend to have money thru the vices they have like cocain or cigarrette somking or gambling.


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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.



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August 24, 2021, 02:16:42 PM
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Maybe they have a bigger percentage of players in the poorest part of the country. It's also more convenient and cheaper for them to hold a gambling event in the poorest areas. We also know that poorer people are more into gambling than lots of rich people because they're hoping that gambling could change their lives.
Of course there's more poor people that is gambling than those at the middle and upper class, remember that those in the middle and upper at the least knows that gambling and excessive gambling is only good for the gambling houses plus this people have a tradition of gambling that's why they have more gambling there.

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Well, that's should be expected.

Poor people can't resist any ways to earn money at a very fast phase, that's the reason why they put casinos in such place to gain money for their business, which I think is kinda selfish for a wealthy person who owns a lot of casinos (it's all about money I guess). What makes me sad is that those poor people for sure are illiterate when it comes to decision making, and desperate to earn money for them to ignore the casino nearby to their places.

I hope most of them would realize sooner that it is better to earn money in the hard way (yet safer) unlike spending it on casinos.
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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.

That's not really the main purpose of building a casino in a place for the poor, maybe it can be an income for those who can become workers, service providers and things that might get tips from rich people who play gambling. I think it depends on the casino's policy with the aim of providing opportunities for the poor to earn more money, because if it's aiming to drain money it's not the right place.

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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

21% gambling venues - located in poorest part
2% gambling venues- located in wealthiest part

What about the remaining 77%? Are they located in those parts where middle income group people lives?

Then how come the data concludes that only poors are being targeted? I don't see that!

Care to explain?

Also wealthy people don't have time to gamble. These segment of people are usually self disciplined and they are extremely busy. So we can separate them from our discussion!

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Well, that's should be expected.

Poor people can't resist any ways to earn money at a very fast phase, that's the reason why they put casinos in such place to gain money for their business, which I think is kinda selfish for a wealthy person who owns a lot of casinos (it's all about money I guess). What makes me sad is that those poor people for sure are illiterate when it comes to decision making, and desperate to earn money for them to ignore the casino nearby to their places.

I hope most of them would realize sooner that it is better to earn money in the hard way (yet safer) unlike spending it on casinos.
I think you are missing something, it's not that casino owners like to build their casino building only on a rich city because it would attract more potential gamblers but the fact that land owner will demand more because it's a crowded city and they expect you already that as a casino owner you will gain more profit than them and that's the demand and supply for them.

That's why I believe most of these casinos are built on poorest part of the country is to save some money for rental fees. And that's the point why they built it there. I don't know if poor people could afford to gamble if their salaries are not enough for them to feed their own stomach.

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August 24, 2021, 06:05:27 PM
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I think that according to social formulas, poor people are more prone to gambling addiction, and they part with their money more easily trying to win and get rich from gambling... Probably the poor areas do not have expensive casinos like in Las Vegas, but ordinary beggarly bars with slot machines... And of course you're right about the cheap rent... it's not profitable to keep a cheap casino in an expensive district...

I don't read much about the stats but I know that UK indeed has a high rank in terms of gambling industry. Many people on UK was doing gambling so maybe the area is just strategic for gamblers besides on the point you mention above. UK has a lot of gambler residents so you can have a lot of customer wherever you put the casino location or maybe Casino was already established on that area before poor people live around it.
The UK has some of the most liberal laws when it comes to gambling around the world and while I do not think this is causing addiction at the same time we need to recognize that if you are more exposed to a certain activity then the more likely that you are going to eventually try it and you are not going to see anything wrong with it, so I can understand why there are some voices there which want to more strictly regulate gambling in order to decrease gambling addictions.

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August 24, 2021, 06:17:05 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
I do not see any target here, if the casino is located near the poorest part of the country it is mainly because the taxes are low and the rentals are low as well and these casinos could actually boost the local economy as the locals will be getting jobs in these venues. If there is much evidence regarding this then we can tell but there is nothing here even to speculate.

When referring to the economic empowerment of the people there, what is the thirst for establishing a gambling casino where we often think that gambling only cares about money? Except it's about cheap taxation and people can take advantage of the percentage that is set aside by the casino owner. Some of these perspectives can be a reference. Besides spending the money of the rich, of course, those who are economically backward have incentives that can be obtained from the casino.

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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.
They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

This seems like an inevitable, if sad, outcome of the society that we live in. Psychologically speaking gambling is a fools game, the only time that rich people will tend to gamble is purely for some light entertainment and the amounts involved will likely be insignificant to their overall wealth. Rich people who have earned money themselves will always have grasp of how hard it is to earn and more importantly, they do not gamble to chase the dream of becoming rich via shortcuts - they're already there. Poor people generally have a lower standard of education and may struggle to comprehend the astronomical odds against them ever making a meaningful return on their bets. The only way to break this cycle is to teach better financial education within schools and generally push back against the most predatory behavior of gambling instiutions.

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August 24, 2021, 08:21:48 PM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

21% gambling venues - located in poorest part
2% gambling venues- located in wealthiest part

What about the remaining 77%? Are they located in those parts where middle income group people lives?

Then how come the data concludes that only poors are being targeted? I don't see that!

Care to explain?

Also wealthy people don't have time to gamble. These segment of people are usually self disciplined and they are extremely busy. So we can separate them from our discussion!

another thing to add is how big these venus are in terms of how many people they can offer services
maybe these 2% could bring more people than the venues located in the poorest part of the country?
also curious on how big is income of venues located on top x bottom income places

interesting

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August 24, 2021, 08:24:49 PM
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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.
They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.
Taxing the poor via those gambling houses? I dont know on where you do get this idea but it is really out of the charts..Why they would consider out on taxing into someone which doesnt have income?

Gambling houses might have considered on building their venue into these places due to those reasons you had mentioned which they are particularly taking advantage on what a poor mind does have

and the desperation that they do have where they do need to make money even on the fastest and riskiest way and this turns out to be successful because no further establishments would be created
if they do look that it wasnt really effective.

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It's great to hear how casinos are founded on economic instability in certain areas, first things first for sure some areas of the UK with all the tax evasion are quite reasonable.

Then about things that can be positive or negative, regardless of how the casino has been set up to date and in fact people tend to support it or they are deliberately trying to get every rich person to spend their money there.

Take advantage, and let them take their fortune slowly by providing a gambling house.

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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.
They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

Makes sense, if they can't get tax from poor people by legal ways, with this move, the government can still get money from them via getting tax from the casinos. I don't think casinos can hide from the government because it is an infrastructure that you can't miss. I am more of cheaper rent in this area. Aside from that, people in this kind of neighborhood like this business, because a lot of them will go to this place because a lot of them have no jobs, and they will try their luck here. Even though, we know winning is slippery in this game.
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Taxing the poor via those gambling houses? I dont know on where you do get this idea but it is really out of the charts..Why they would consider out on taxing into someone which doesnt have income?

Gambling houses might have considered on building their venue into these places due to those reasons you had mentioned which they are particularly taking advantage on what a poor mind does have

and the desperation that they do have where they do need to make money even on the fastest and riskiest way and this turns out to be successful because no further establishments would be created
if they do look that it wasnt really effective.

probably they got this idea from the common idea that lottery is a tax on the poor
though I agree with you that gambling houses aren't, first because they are usually private and not run by the government
second because it's really different than lottery, and prices/money needed to play are higher than lottery too.

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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.
They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

Makes sense, if they can't get tax from poor people by legal ways, with this move, the government can still get money from them via getting tax from the casinos. I don't think casinos can hide from the government because it is an infrastructure that you can't miss. I am more of cheaper rent in this area. Aside from that, people in this kind of neighborhood like this business, because a lot of them will go to this place because a lot of them have no jobs, and they will try their luck here. Even though, we know winning is slippery in this game.
Might true but its totally dumb that poor people would really be making some shot on playing into these casinos.If this is truly the reason then its really effective because
it wouldnt really be that many on that place if they arent making money and if its the way on taxing out poor people then they would impose higher percentage that
they would get into the gambling house itself but well it isnt really that much of an issue since it wouldnt really be that a serious amount to be taken.

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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
^ I think the cheaper rent, not the poor people were targeted by them. In the first place, how the poor people can able to survive in gambling through financial if they are really poor, it will surely they don't have money. It is because if you have a local currency especially in the third world country compared to the dollar, it has a big value when you are in a third world country. Probably on this topic that was the reason why they are in poor areas just because they know they will survive and long last from the rent. Nevertheless, we cant draw here an exact reason and purpose why they are in a poor country.
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Remember that correlation does not equal causation.

I don't think that they are likely targeting poor individuals at all, in fact that would be a rather stupid business move don't you think?

Rather, it is likely because the price of real estate/rentals are simply too unaffordable in more affluent neighbourhoods and there is a general lack of demand in gambling services in these areas. You have to look beneath the surface to dig out the truth with these stats.

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Remember that correlation does not equal causation.

I don't think that they are likely targeting poor individuals at all, in fact that would be a rather stupid business move don't you think?

Rather, it is likely because the price of real estate/rentals are simply too unaffordable in more affluent neighbourhoods and there is a general lack of demand in gambling services in these areas. You have to look beneath the surface to dig out the truth with these stats.
Do you know Poor individual spend more compare to rich people who always buy the branded items?
This is why Chinese businesses are growing because of a cheaper product and of course they are targeting the poor people or at least those who are on a middle class.

So for me, this is same thing with the strategy of those gambling site or maybe they are just expanding their businesses all over the country to dominate the gambling activities on that specific are. The volume of middle to poor class are way more compare to rich people who prefer to play on a most exclusive venue, how can a business grow if they only work with the rich people?
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I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.

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I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.
As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life.
What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year. 
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another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Data always has multiple explanations as to its interpretations.   The poorer people become the smaller size property they likely reside in, if Im stuck in the house all the time I'd consider going out to gamble at any venue a more reasonable distraction.   If I were a millionaire who built a perfectly air con palace with all the things I could ever want I'm far more likely to phone in the bet and watch it on my big screen.    I think thats quite reasonable, lots of drinking establishments near the poorest part of town I guess.   Quite often its more profitable to serve the many then the few.

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I suspect it's simply due to the fact wealthiest zones are less populated, while poorer areas have more residents offering a more dynamic economical daily life. Businesses which rely on direct sales/direct interactions with the public in general aren't located in the richest areas of a country, but at the most popular ones. Also, as @Silberman mentioned, those areas are also more affordable for entrepeurners to run their businesses, because they offer cheaper properties for rent.

The news' goal is clear though: to say gambling industry is evil because they are getting money from the miserable instead of targeting the richest. What can't be proved at all. Personally I think casinos aren't fool to target people who don't have money to spend frequently. Of course they aim the big players, otherwise the industry wouldn't be profitable at all.

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I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.
As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life.
What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year. 
If in your country gambling is legal, the casino owner will not have a problem spending much money to build the casino in any commercial buildings because that means the casino can attract more richest people to visit their places. That means their product will be in front of their eyes and only need to give the best services to those richest people to get their money because when they satisfy with the casino, they will spend huge money on the casino. They build casinos in poorer areas because they want to rent a cheap building and modify it to attract the local gamblers.

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August 25, 2021, 04:08:45 AM
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Always it is the left-wing mouthpieces such as The Guardian which dishes out such propaganda articles. If the majority of the gambling joints are located in the poorest parts of the country, that also means that they are providing jobs to the poorest. This is what the left-wing does. They destroy the jobs of the poor people and then provoke them to riot against the government. Socialists doesn't want the poor to earn a living. Instead they want them to live off handouts from the government, so that they will be in a state of perpetual dependence.

Once these gambling joints are closed down, then the gamblers will just move to underground casinos. But for those who worked in these joints, there will be no alternative.

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August 25, 2021, 04:24:34 AM
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I am not sure if the casino targets the poor to play gambling because they are hard to buy food, so why should they gamble? If that is for making money to buy food, I do not think they will have that chance since gambling depends on luck. But some people from that location can play gambling to test their luck but it is hard to win because the casino will not let that happen. I tend to think that renting those places will not be too expensive and maybe the casino wants to hide their place from the government, especially if their country prohibits gambling.
They do target the poor for that precise reason, they don't have food so they're tempted to gamble to see if their stars are aligned and hopefully they can make something out of it. Desperation is what makes them build their gambling house in the poor areas. It's not the case for the gambling houses, the government is in on those things, they want to tax the poor and this is the best way that they can do that.

Makes sense, if they can't get tax from poor people by legal ways, with this move, the government can still get money from them via getting tax from the casinos. I don't think casinos can hide from the government because it is an infrastructure that you can't miss. I am more of cheaper rent in this area. Aside from that, people in this kind of neighborhood like this business, because a lot of them will go to this place because a lot of them have no jobs, and they will try their luck here. Even though, we know winning is slippery in this game.
Might true but its totally dumb that poor people would really be making some shot on playing into these casinos.If this is truly the reason then its really effective because
it wouldnt really be that many on that place if they arent making money and if its the way on taxing out poor people then they would impose higher percentage that
they would get into the gambling house itself but well it isnt really that much of an issue since it wouldnt really be that a serious amount to be taken.

The whole world runs on the back of the poor people.

They eat mcdonalds, they drink coke, they gamble, they buy unnecessary crap, they use drugs, they smoke...

Seeing the pattern?

The rich and smart almost never do these things or do it a lot less. Almost all businesses abuse the poor people. Some of them (like casinos) do it plainly, the others do it quietly.

Monsanto, which manufactures GMO seeds is owned by Bayer, a pharmaceutical company. What does that tell you?

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August 25, 2021, 04:28:17 AM
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I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.
As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life.
What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year. 

Agreed, being poor means not being able to eat three times a day. Yes, it is extremely difficult to build a casino in a poorer area unless it is so big that people from other areas visit to it because the casino is nice and good. But if it's just like a small casino, it'll be fine. That's why there's a lot of illegal gambling in poorer areas; we can't see it, but they're still doing it because it's fun and they're trying their luck to win some money , the truth is also some kids are involved in it.
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

Casinos are open to anyone poor and rich who wants to enjoy playing, it's likely that they are located in the poorest part because it's convenient to their employees they are employing people and so are the industries that are attached to gambling so by making them accessible to poor area their employees can easily get in and they don't have to pay exorbitant rental fees.
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“Betting shops alone employ around 46,000 people across the country, pay £1bn in tax to the Treasury as well as £60m in business rates for local councils, while casinos employ 11,000 staff and pay £500m a year in tax.

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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
^ I think the cheaper rent, not the poor people were targeted by them. In the first place, how the poor people can able to survive in gambling through financial if they are really poor, it will surely they don't have money. It is because if you have a local currency especially in the third world country compared to the dollar, it has a big value when you are in a third world country. Probably on this topic that was the reason why they are in poor areas just because they know they will survive and long last from the rent. Nevertheless, we cant draw here an exact reason and purpose why they are in a poor country.

As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.

Like it or not, people from a lower economic/social class have less income, and less education, and lower paying jobs. It all trickles into logic. Lower education means lower awareness. Higher vulnerability to social problems also is scientifically known to be passed down generation to generation. A lower income person is more likely to be unaware of the dangers of gambling and therefore spend more to try and win big. Higher income people see gambling as entertainment, lower as a (wrong) means to get rich and out of their problems.

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August 25, 2021, 10:29:30 AM
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Agreed, being poor means not being able to eat three times a day. Yes, it is extremely difficult to build a casino in a poorer area unless it is so big that people from other areas visit to it because the casino is nice and good. But if it's just like a small casino, it'll be fine. That's why there's a lot of illegal gambling in poorer areas; we can't see it, but they're still doing it because it's fun and they're trying their luck to win some money , the truth is also some kids are involved in it.
Why being poor should be targeted by the casino that builds their place in the poor areas. Maybe they want to give an opportunity to people who lived in that place to work in the casino and if that is the case, that will really mean for those people because they can have a better life. But if that casino just wants to run from the government because it legally matters, that will not be good for the casino as the government will chase them everywhere they open their business.

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August 25, 2021, 12:05:58 PM
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Targeting the poor? maybe, but it could be why many gambling venues are located in poor areas because the number of poor people is more than the rich so it takes a lot of venues to accommodate those who love to gamble, or it could be the reason because of rental fees or the salaries of employees who also inexpensive.
I don't know about the UK, but is it possible because regulators in poor areas are corrupt officials and receive a lot of money from the gambling industry in their area? so there are many gambling venues there.

I agree and I would add this to what I said above. Indeed, there are much more poor than rich. Besides, rich folks don't usually hang around in their neighborhood. They are just jumping in the car and go to some fancy place to splash out more than we can imagine because they don't care, they don't need additional money, they don't know what to do with what they have. That's why they go to luxury casinos: to drink whiskey on the rocks and enjoy the atmosphere, which cheap gambling venues lack.

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Poor people often have a rather low level of education both in the financial field and in such sciences as probability theory, game theory and mathematical expectation. This means that they may be more susceptible to gambling addiction than rich people. That's why I think the placement of gambling sites is concentrated in poorer areas.

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August 25, 2021, 02:09:23 PM
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I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.
As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life.
What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year. 

Agreed, being poor means not being able to eat three times a day. Yes, it is extremely difficult to build a casino in a poorer area unless it is so big that people from other areas visit to it because the casino is nice and good. But if it's just like a small casino, it'll be fine. That's why there's a lot of illegal gambling in poorer areas; we can't see it, but they're still doing it because it's fun and they're trying their luck to win some money , the truth is also some kids are involved in it.

there are many degrees of poverty
from the ones who can't even buy food or pay rent, to those who have debt but still find a way to spend some small spare income in gambling

so it's useful to describe better what we are talking about as well
gambling could be a source of fun and excitement, probably better than drugs, but still... quite dangerous to go this way

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The hope of being rich is the reason for the poor to gamble and of course the low education factor of course makes it difficult for them to get a job and coupled with the lack of job vacancies, make the poor people prefer gambling as an alternative to earn income, and of course the poor choose to gamble in football matches and playing the lottery every week, with the hope that he will win and earn a lot of money from the game, but gambling is still gambling and winning is a mystery in gambling.

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August 25, 2021, 03:52:21 PM
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I don't think they are targetting the poor people, here in our country our casinos are located in a commercial district and so are some of the casinos in other countries, I think it's cheaper to rent that place and could be that it's accessible and easy to get there, wealthy people prefer o gamble on physical casinos because they are more on meeting new people, they go to casinos not only to unwind but see their friends, partners and of course play with their friends, some wealthy businessman strikes a deal on this place.
As long as there's a commercial buildings with a great surroundings and very feasible for the business, they'll build it regardless of your standard in life.
What's the level of poor in UK? because in my country, poor means no money at all so its useless if you are going to build casinos on a much poorer area, they wont grow and maybe it will be close in less than a year. 

Agreed, being poor means not being able to eat three times a day. Yes, it is extremely difficult to build a casino in a poorer area unless it is so big that people from other areas visit to it because the casino is nice and good. But if it's just like a small casino, it'll be fine. That's why there's a lot of illegal gambling in poorer areas; we can't see it, but they're still doing it because it's fun and they're trying their luck to win some money , the truth is also some kids are involved in it.


Does this mean that children are also not banned from watching gambling? I hope it won't be that free if a region establishes a gambling casino, then arbitrarily allows children to visit the casino freely. Kasiono is better kept away from those who are not right for them to consume in their brains. Maybe some casinos don't allow this to happen, there are still guards who know which visitors they should prevent from getting inside.

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August 25, 2021, 04:24:39 PM
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I think that according to social formulas, poor people are more prone to gambling addiction, and they part with their money more easily trying to win and get rich from gambling... Probably the poor areas do not have expensive casinos like in Las Vegas, but ordinary beggarly bars with slot machines... And of course you're right about the cheap rent... it's not profitable to keep a cheap casino in an expensive district...

I don't read much about the stats but I know that UK indeed has a high rank in terms of gambling industry. Many people on UK was doing gambling so maybe the area is just strategic for gamblers besides on the point you mention above. UK has a lot of gambler residents so you can have a lot of customer wherever you put the casino location or maybe Casino was already established on that area before poor people live around it.
The UK has some of the most liberal laws when it comes to gambling around the world and while I do not think this is causing addiction at the same time we need to recognize that if you are more exposed to a certain activity then the more likely that you are going to eventually try it and you are not going to see anything wrong with it, so I can understand why there are some voices there which want to more strictly regulate gambling in order to decrease gambling addictions.

Talking about gambling addiction, it's still an individual thing and goes back to their respective gambling arrangements, so as you said it's true because the UK is more free in terms of gambling and placement without the casino house being established. Without focusing too much on the impact I'm sure they've come to terms with how they can control casinos, and don't care if they're addicted or not.

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August 25, 2021, 04:36:48 PM
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Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.
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August 25, 2021, 05:59:18 PM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.
I guess that we are talking about something very sad and we are definitely not going to see any change neither. The poorer a community is the bigger chance that they gave up on thinking they could work hard to make money.

There are people all around the world that work hard, miners (non-crypto), garbage people, firefighters and many other physically hard working class as well basically all blue collars and they still end up not being profitable at all and end up poor, and that is the sad thing about the current world, papa Bezos gives Jeff a million dollars, then gets him to meet with other millionaire friends and he just sells books and becomes richest person on earth while the guy who cleans out trash from a whole neighborhood every single day lives in poverty.
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August 25, 2021, 06:13:33 PM
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As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.

Like it or not, people from a lower economic/social class have less income, and less education, and lower paying jobs. It all trickles into logic. Lower education means lower awareness. Higher vulnerability to social problems also is scientifically known to be passed down generation to generation. A lower income person is more likely to be unaware of the dangers of gambling and therefore spend more to try and win big. Higher income people see gambling as entertainment, lower as a (wrong) means to get rich and out of their problems.

What do you mean by hereditary? social problem? I'm not too sure about that?
Poverty has never been passed down to the next generation, even education has different domains so that it cannot be generalized into one generation. For example, my parents earn from being a farmer, and I don't necessarily have a farm income myself, I have income from crypto, is it passed down from generation to generation? Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

Perhaps that's what he meant, if you are born poor, then you can past it to your kids, unless your children really works hard and uplift their life, it's because of the influence. He might be not be generalizating it, but maybe for some it's pretty obvious.

Yeah, I agree that it's a double edge sword, but remember that the odds are against us in gambling and only those who are lucky can get out of poverty because of gambling.
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August 25, 2021, 06:43:53 PM
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I think everyone should read the article the OP shared, and dig deeper into what's really going on. Based on the conclusion, I think some people don't agree with the establishment of casinos in the area, even there it is said that six to 10 are affected by addiction.

While the minimal economic conditions create some instability. The casino is being reviewed to gauge how effective this establishment is with the prosperity of the community around the casino. The Behavioral Insights team will soon conduct more in-depth research on the case. Of course, some argue that it will provide economic growth, the rest is still a question of whether this stance will continue and ignore the social problems of the people who feel disturbed.

As Carolyn Harris put it in the article said "It targets the most vulnerable in society, both economically and those who may have problems".

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Perhaps that's what he meant, if you are born poor, then you can past it to your kids, unless your children really works hard and uplift their life, it's because of the influence. He might be not be generalizating it, but maybe for some it's pretty obvious.

Yeah, I agree that it's a double edge sword, but remember that the odds are against us in gambling and only those who are lucky can get out of poverty because of gambling.

Only those who have decent lucked who can get out and change their lives with the help of gambling. It's a double-edge sword since the venue is near to those poor people who haven't had other options.

They are force of the situation thinking that gambling is the easiest way to earn money and with the belief that it can change their life once they hit the jackpot.

We can remove the fact that gambling owners are after with the money. They don't care if it's small amount as long as they are generating money, they will proceed and make it happen.

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August 25, 2021, 07:57:09 PM
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As Carolyn Harris put it in the article said "It targets the most vulnerable in society, both economically and those who may have problems".
The most vulnerable remains the target because they are they are always carried away by get rich quick schemes as well as easy to get funds. Most wealthy folks don't go about gambling as a do or die affair. This gambling companies already know who their true customers are and also know where to get them and thats why they tend to flood rural areas more where people only struggle to survive.
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The most vulnerable remains the target because they are they are always carried away by get rich quick schemes as well as easy to get funds. Most wealthy folks don't go about gambling as a do or die affair. This gambling companies already know who their true customers are and also know where to get them and thats why they tend to flood rural areas more where people only struggle to survive.

Regarding that I have already said, that I am speaking based on the data of the articles shared, why am I referring to the article? firstly I'm not British who can't really tell what's really going on there, and secondly there's nothing I can refer to other than reading, so I certainly appreciate how speculation is about whether or not people agree or disagree with the establishment of the Casino.

If it can have a positive impact, I'd say it's good and it can lead to changes in the community's economy for the better, and if it's the other way around then who is the casino targeting here? Apart from that they make tough money and bet for 1, 2 or 3 times and then will be given a win by the casino.

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The hope of being rich is the reason for the poor to gamble and of course the low education factor of course makes it difficult for them to get a job and coupled with the lack of job vacancies, make the poor people prefer gambling as an alternative to earn income, and of course the poor choose to gamble in football matches and playing the lottery every week, with the hope that he will win and earn a lot of money from the game, but gambling is still gambling and winning is a mystery in gambling.

No need to generalize. I know a lot of poor people, who never gamble. On the other hand, I also know a lot of rich guys, who spend a lot of money on lottery tickets. Because being rich is in a relative term. Even those who are considered "rich" want to increase their wealth. Look at the richest person on this planet (Jeff Bezos). He still want to increase his wealth. This is something that is embedded in basic human nature, and everyone wants to be wealthy. And no amount of wealth is enough, even for the richest person in this planet.

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No need to generalize. I know a lot of poor people, who never gamble. On the other hand, I also know a lot of rich guys, who spend a lot of money on lottery tickets. Because being rich is in a relative term. Even those who are considered "rich" want to increase their wealth. Look at the richest person on this planet (Jeff Bezos). He still want to increase his wealth. This is something that is embedded in basic human nature, and everyone wants to be wealthy. And no amount of wealth is enough, even for the richest person in this planet.

I just knew some poor people who were so engaged in gambling not only because they wanted for a big return of their money but because they were enjoying gambling, I mean there's also poor people who were loved to gamble for fun. But of course many of the gambler who used to gamble were expecting for a double return of their money. But if we were going to look back at the reality why a 20% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest part of the country is because most probably of the low revenue that a gambling venues would pay compare to the wealthiest part.
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Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

This argument may sound better to you, but it is a flawed argument. If the rich gambled more, it wouldn't matter if they paid more rent, because with the profits from putting the bookmakers in richer areas, there would be more than enough to pay for the rent and have more profit. No, there are more bookmakers in poorer areas because the poor gamble more:

" Being financially disadvantaged seems to cause people to risk what little money they have available to them in hopes of turning it into a larger sum, thinking that that in turn would improve their financial situation. Sadly, as so often happens, their hopes are not realized and they become worse off than before they gambled."

Source: Gambling Prevalent in Poor Neighborhoods

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The rich are more accustomed to gambling than the poor the number of poor gamblers is low because they do not have enough capital to gamble. And the rich waste their money on gambling there used to be gambling in our country in the previous era whenever there was a fair there was gambling lottery betting all these were going on now is the modern age. So they have imported casino equipment he earned about lakhs of rupees by gambling who sees his money but the joy of the poor was shattered when his fate betrayed him again.
More accustomed doesn't mean that majority would come from them. I'd actually reckon that majority of the gamblers in casinos come from the lower end of the spectrum when it comes to financial capability. As much as I hate to say it, it is a way for people (or at least they think so) to get rich quickly. It's like they're at that point in time where even trying to work hard has no purpose, and even if they did, nothing would come out from it so they'd go, why not go all in and see what happens right?

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August 26, 2021, 08:11:56 AM
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No, there are more bookmakers in poorer areas because the poor gamble more:

This makes sense.

That's what I pointed out too before. I'm even at a point of thinking that I don't consider these people as "poor" because regardless, they can still have some portion of their income to be used on gambling. The solid evidence is how casino owners benefiting from these areas meaning they aren't really poor.

I know addiction is involved here but I'm sure most people here are still responsible gamblers in the end.

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August 26, 2021, 09:41:56 AM
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No, there are more bookmakers in poorer areas because the poor gamble more:

This makes sense.

That's what I pointed out too before. I'm even at a point of thinking that I don't consider these people as "poor" because regardless, they can still have some portion of their income to be used on gambling. The solid evidence is how casino owners benefiting from these areas meaning they aren't really poor.

I know addiction is involved here but I'm sure most people here are still responsible gamblers in the end.

The areas in their entirety aren't poor, because a lot of people live there. Also there are a lot of poor areas in the UK, and well above 10 million people are living there, by various estimations. And don't forget that the UK isn't Africa. Even a poor in the UK has a buck or two to gamble with.

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August 26, 2021, 10:24:12 AM
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As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.
What do you mean by hereditary? social problem? I'm not too sure about that?
Poverty has never been passed down to the next generation, even education has different domains so that it cannot be generalized into one generation. For example, my parents earn from being a farmer, and I don't necessarily have a farm income myself, I have income from crypto, is it passed down from generation to generation?

If your parents are smokers, children have a higher chance of becoming a smoker. The same thing happens with drinking, gambling, and other vices. It's a common problem and no surprise because well, if you grow up in such an environment, then you become accustomed to it, you get peer pressured into it, and it becomes normalized.

This isn't about occupation either (although actually in the past, occupations of parents also bear an impact on children, again, at lower income levels). If farmer parents manage to break it to middle class, like you, then great. But if you would still be living on a farm in a lower class family, what would your likely job options be?

Poverty is a huge obstacle...

Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.

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August 26, 2021, 12:01:59 PM
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Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

I don't think it's about reducing the cost of rent as placing a casino in an unfavorable area carries a lot more risk.

Just like rich people, poor people are looking for ways to make money, but unlike rich people, they don't realize that it's almost impossible to make money in a casino. The financial situation of poor people does not allow them to use many of the investment tools that are available to rich people.

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August 26, 2021, 02:19:49 PM
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If your parents are smokers, children have a higher chance of becoming a smoker. The same thing happens with drinking, gambling, and other vices. It's a common problem and no surprise because well, if you grow up in such an environment, then you become accustomed to it, you get peer pressured into it, and it becomes normalized.

This isn't about occupation either (although actually in the past, occupations of parents also bear an impact on children, again, at lower income levels). If farmer parents manage to break it to middle class, like you, then great. But if you would still be living on a farm in a lower class family, what would your likely job options be?

Poverty is a huge obstacle...

Poverty is a barrier? you are right, but who wants to be born poor? if we could choose.

Not a few parents of farmers and their children also become farmers, but they are successful. How do you deal with this? Is it poor for you to be a farmer? Unfortunately, we eat from their hard work, without farmers we are just a bunch of slackers who just ask for food on the side of the road.

Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.

Notice the second option I mentioned, meaning I mentioned two options, and you read only one option. I look at it from a two-sided perspective, if it's only one side then you don't like gambling.


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August 26, 2021, 02:26:27 PM
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Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.
The cost of operating a casino can be high but I don't think the owners will save a bit on the cost of renting the premises, they will even agree to buy the land for ease of management, therefore, the rental cost factor to choose the location of the poor area is not reasonable. Of course, targeting the poor also can't bring a perfect profit with their level of income but the remoteness of an area is a good way to limit legal inquiry and real estate is a golden area no matter where, the average casino can't buy a good piece of land in the center but they can buy the poor's land cheaply by leading the poor into their casino

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August 26, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
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According to a new report that was published 21% of the gambling venues are located at the poorest areas while only 2% are located on the wealthiest parts of the country, this is being used as evidence the poor are being targeted, but this could just be evidence that it is cheaper to rent at those places and the gambling outlets prefer to go there to save on rent, or that maybe those that are the wealthiest prefer to gamble online instead of taking their time to go to one of those places and as such there is no reason to set up shop on their neighborhood.

So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?


https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/23/uks-most-deprived-areas-have-highest-number-of-gambling-outlets-report

This is from UK, I'm not from UK but it could be both they are renting the place cheap and they want to be in a place where there are a lot of people or very populated, there's also a possibility that they targetting sectors from that region because poor people in UK can also play in the gambling establishment, UK is a first world country and people have the means to play in gambling establishment whatever his status in life.
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Taxing the poor via those gambling houses? I dont know on where you do get this idea but it is really out of the charts..Why they would consider out on taxing into someone which doesnt have income?
Haven't you heard of lottery? Or the praise about lottery that it's also called a poor man's tax? You must be so out of touch that you haven't heard of that, and that's where I get my opinion that it's a way to tax the poor at least in some parts of the country. They're not taxing them in a way dummy, that's just a phrase, kind of like a conspiracy to make people in the marginalized sector pay the government in a way that's not illegal hence the gambling or lottery.
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This makes sense.

That's what I pointed out too before. I'm even at a point of thinking that I don't consider these people as "poor" because regardless, they can still have some portion of their income to be used on gambling. The solid evidence is how casino owners benefiting from these areas meaning they aren't really poor.

I know addiction is involved here but I'm sure most people here are still responsible gamblers in the end.

Because of the hardship of life of poor people, they are taking a chance on gambling many gambling establishments are targetting not only poor people but middle income as well that is why they have a location on the poor district, in our district alone there are lottery betting in almost every corner of the street and our government who are running these casinos are making a lot of money.

Government running casinos then letting the poor lose more while gambling? What kind of country targets only the poor and then neglects its economy just to profit from the casinos? then the government enjoys it freely? This is a very bad policy, the government and the rich only do oppression when free casinos are standing without choosing the right location.

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August 26, 2021, 06:04:56 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?
^ I think the cheaper rent, not the poor people were targeted by them. In the first place, how the poor people can able to survive in gambling through financial if they are really poor, it will surely they don't have money. It is because if you have a local currency especially in the third world country compared to the dollar, it has a big value when you are in a third world country. Probably on this topic that was the reason why they are in poor areas just because they know they will survive and long last from the rent. Nevertheless, we cant draw here an exact reason and purpose why they are in a poor country.

As I mentioned before, there is also a social aspect, though.

Like it or not, people from a lower economic/social class have less income, and less education, and lower paying jobs. It all trickles into logic. Lower education means lower awareness. Higher vulnerability to social problems also is scientifically known to be passed down generation to generation. A lower income person is more likely to be unaware of the dangers of gambling and therefore spend more to try and win big. Higher income people see gambling as entertainment, lower as a (wrong) means to get rich and out of their problems.

one of the best comments of this thread
totally right.

at some point, some can break the cycle and raise from poverty.

really hope that solutions like Play 2 earn and other solutions can help a better distribution of wealth and more and more people going out of a state of vulnerability

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August 26, 2021, 06:06:13 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.

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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.


On the other hand, the government will take further action regarding what they should be warning about, but how do the people there actually benefit from casino funds? does the government still insist on taking action that results in the closure of casinos?

I think the government needs to do some interaction or some kind of interview about it and get a direct response from the people living around the remote towns setting up casinos in England.

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August 26, 2021, 09:58:13 PM
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Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.
That is basically the argument of the link I gave in the OP which is why I am asking the question if you think that is the case or if there is some other explanation for it, personally I think this is just a matter of saving costs for those gambling venues as it is obvious that renting or buying a property near a poor neighborhood must be cheaper than to do so in a rich neighborhood, and as such this is just the economy dictating the choices that people make which is completely normal, but I was open to see if there are other points of view that can be considered.
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August 26, 2021, 10:11:07 PM
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Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

I don't think it's about reducing the cost of rent as placing a casino in an unfavorable area carries a lot more risk.

Just like rich people, poor people are looking for ways to make money, but unlike rich people, they don't realize that it's almost impossible to make money in a casino. The financial situation of poor people does not allow them to use many of the investment tools that are available to rich people.
They would really be using that disadvantage for their advantage or making profit because poor people would always have that mindset on how to make money and if they do find out some residing casinos into their place
then most common impression would be talking about playing on that particular place.

No doubt on why gambling site owners do really consider on placing their casinos into those places rather than on going to cities on where rich people do reside?

It would really be needing just some common sense for you to find or determine on why they have done such thing.They wont really be making actions without any basis.

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Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.
Notice the second option I mentioned, meaning I mentioned two options, and you read only one option. I look at it from a two-sided perspective, if it's only one side then you don't like gambling.

I did notice the second option my friend, but I still insist, gambling is not a double-edged sword in this respect. It should never be seen as an alternative to gaining wealth, it should only be seen as entertainment, where, if you're not lucky, you don't get your deposits back but enjoyed it anyway. If you're lucky, you had fun AND won some money from it.

I love gambling. But for me, it can and never will be an income or wealth alternative. If I get lucky sure. But I can't count on luck.

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August 27, 2021, 01:58:10 PM
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Gambling is a double-edged sword, it can be an alternative to giving wealth, it can also make everyone lose everything. either the rich or the poor.

No, gambling is not an alternative to gaining wealth. That's the first mistake you make that'll lead you down a wrong path.
Notice the second option I mentioned, meaning I mentioned two options, and you read only one option. I look at it from a two-sided perspective, if it's only one side then you don't like gambling.

I did notice the second option my friend, but I still insist, gambling is not a double-edged sword in this respect. It should never be seen as an alternative to gaining wealth, it should only be seen as entertainment, where, if you're not lucky, you don't get your deposits back but enjoyed it anyway. If you're lucky, you had fun AND won some money from it.

I love gambling. But for me, it can and never will be an income or wealth alternative. If I get lucky sure. But I can't count on luck.


You and he both have their own goals, be it entertainment or seeking wealth, it's up to how you respond to gambling. The most important thing is when you feel happy. Either happy because they are entertained or happy because they get riches. Regarding double-edged gambling, I return it to each of you who are adults who can choose and sort out what is good and what is bad for life.
Oh, most importantly gamble with your money, don't let you borrow it from friends. I think you can understand it simply.

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August 27, 2021, 04:23:30 PM
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Cheaper rent sounds like a better argument to me. Why would casinos specifically target poor people? Is the fact that poor people desperately seek ways to earn money serves as such a strong incentive to locate most of the casinos nearby?

I think even considering that it would be irrational. The poor don’t have much to give to casinos in the first place.

I don't think it's about reducing the cost of rent as placing a casino in an unfavorable area carries a lot more risk.

Just like rich people, poor people are looking for ways to make money, but unlike rich people, they don't realize that it's almost impossible to make money in a casino. The financial situation of poor people does not allow them to use many of the investment tools that are available to rich people.
Gambling houses can only make decent profit from poors through lottery and scratch off games, because the tickets are cheap, gamblers don't need to occupy the place for too long, what generates a higher flux of customers and the profit is made by quantity of players instead of the quality of players.

But for traditional casinos houses it's not interesting to focus on poor gamblers, because they will occupy a slot machine or a cards table to make cheap bets, while a rich player could be sat in front of that same slot machine or table making more expensive bets during the same time period.

Also, while it's true some poor people think they can make profit from gambling and for that reason they spend more than they should, rich people also spend a lot of money in gambling, not exactly because they think it will return them profit frequently, but because they have a lot of money to expend in hobby activities like this without bad consequences later.

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August 27, 2021, 05:53:35 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.
The government will step up and act if they are concern with the situation in their country. But the problem now is many countries still face this pandemic which is not yet to end. The government's focus is on how they can help their people to prevent the virus infection and not to check on the casino in the poor place. Maybe later when they can control the situation and the economy can operate normally, they will investigate it more to find out the reason. Of course, the government will ask the casino owners about the real reason and if the owner casino proved to target the poor people by building the casino in their environment, maybe the government will do something.

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August 27, 2021, 07:42:54 PM
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So what do you think? Are the poor being targeted or there is another explanation for the data we are seeing?

Now, I am even more interested in the result of any research that would be conducted to find out if there is any relationship between the rate of crime and age in the poorer UK towns with the most betting shops. As for the the just concluded study, the government really need to step up and act as quickly as possible.
The government will step up and act if they are concern with the situation in their country. But the problem now is many countries still face this pandemic which is not yet to end. The government's focus is on how they can help their people to prevent the virus infection and not to check on the casino in the poor place. Maybe later when they can control the situation and the economy can operate normally, they will investigate it more to find out the reason. Of course, the government will ask the casino owners about the real reason and if the owner casino proved to target the poor people by building the casino in their environment, maybe the government will do something.

Probably the big factor in taking this account from their priorities, the pandemic is the most focus thing in every country that being hit by this virus; the government is more busy finding the best solution to lessen the spread and if possible, to avoid more people who live from their jurisdiction being infected by this virus.

After that, maybe they can see this and check it out. If there's a need to step out and seek for these gambling shops, they'll surely take action accordingly.

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