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[LoyceV]

You can milk the shit of this forum with 100 alts. I am sure you are smart enough to figure how.

Not really. You can't maintain 100 alts with decent quality to earn from 100 signature campaigns. There was one guy doing it for a very long time with 3 alts (and maybe more that we don't know about), but there's no way someone can maintain much more than that and keep his post quality high enough to earn more than just bounty spamming.

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[mindrust]

You can milk the shit of this forum with 100 alts. I am sure you are smart enough to figure how.

Not really. You can't maintain 100 alts with decent quality to earn from 100 signature campaigns. There was one guy doing it for a very long time with 3 alts (and maybe more that we don't know about), but there's no way someone can maintain much more than that and keep his post quality high enough to earn more than just bounty spamming.

Where did I say that he has to actively use all 100 accounts?

With that many accounts he can join the scam signature camps like 1xbit without any fears, join lotteries, giveaways, and if he is a teenager with lots of free time yes he can manage and post with multiple accounts. Not done, he can use his army of alts to support his narratives and create a presudo forum rockstar.

He can create topics and only post himself as different users, create fake dialogs and nobody would notice.

I think It is possible. Only thing he needs is, time and determination and yes, it would pay, a lot.

[FatFork]

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I understand what you mean.
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No, you don't seem to understand. There are elements in your posts that appear to be plagiarized, and what's even worse is that you're using an article spinner to create the illusion that you have a unique piece and that you don't need to reference the source.

You added Wikipedia references only today, after being exposed.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…> I understand what you mean.<…>
<…> Should we describe a known historical event as evidence of plagiarism?

I’ll start with the second part of the quote. Let’s start by understanding briefly what plagiarism on this forum means:
It’s the intent to pass somebody else’s content as one’s own. Now this can be done for a wide variety of reasons, as my time here on the forum has shown me. Reasons such as the following would come to mind (non-exhaustive):

-   To pretend to know more than one really knows.
-   To go merit fishing.
-   To create a content with minimal effort.
-   To build-up Activity (again with no effort).
-   To make-up for one’s limitations on posting skills and/or language.

Note that I am not implying that any one of those applies to you here, as I’m simply trying to set a basis for a common understanding on what plagiarism here is.

Now plagiarism can be total (all the content is plagiarized), partial (a small or not so small part), or word-spun based (instead of a copy/paste, it’s a copy/spin/paste).

In order to avoid being accused of plagiarism, it is sufficient to add a reference to the correct sources at the time of creating the post. Some may disagree if that should exonerate all content from falling under the said categorization, but it seems to be the consensus and tradition here. Some people additionally add them simply as a means to reference further reading.

Of course, you may encounter situations whereby the referenced source is really not the source to the content, or that the source is added in the aftermaths to being accused of plagiarism. It falls upon the moderators to determine if a text is plagiarized to some extent, and if the source is present (and possibly, if it was in a timely manner and if it even points to where it should). I figure a report of such accusations to the moderators is a prerequisite, which does not mean it may be debated here and there amongst forum members.

In general terms, most of what we post on the forum is rehashed from somewhere, be it some recent article, video, book, essay or whatever we’ve used as a cognitive source. When one expresses that content in his own words, it is logically not going to fall under the plagiarism categorization.
Historical facts are obviously cognitively obtained from multiple sources at different points in time. Hell, I know people who could depict factual correct historical from the top of their mind, with no need to consult any reference.

The bottom line is not what is reflected per se, but whether it is totally or partially attributable to the exercise of the prior depicted meaning and implications of the forum’s understanding on plagiarism.


Now as to what I meant in my prior post, which you indicate you understood. The question stands on why the extract of text depicted by @nutildah show an apparent exercise of text spinning. You must admit that this does seem like a (small) exercise of text spinning. To make it easier to follow my narrative, I’ll replicate the said post here:

<…> OK this is really weird:

Triffin Dilemma warns us that a monetary system that depends on the currency of a single sovereign country as its only tool in international liquidity will undoubtedly be trapped into Triffin Dilemma.
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The Triffin Dilemma warns us: The system that relies on the currency of a sovereign country as an international currency will inevitably fall into the Triffin Dilemma and collapse.
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The dude just plagiarized himself. Here is the original BTW:



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The discussion is not over the historical facts, but rather, specifically, if in order to expose them here, some intended word spinning was used. Bear in mind that, additionally, at the time of publication on the forum, the article bore no reference links.

The second part of the question was simple: Why add references to 5 threads today, are they the real sources used?
Rather that infer a reason, I believe it’s reasonable to ask you openly in a thread such as this, since the above quoted case cropped-up here.

[nutildah]

^^^
That is certainly a piece of the puzzle.

Most of these accounts have been copy/translate/pasting -- the best way to slow them down is to get them banned for plagiarism. And like I said, if the mods can't recognize non-English plagiarism for what it is, I will tag these accounts as cheaters in the meanwhile.

Not banned yet:

Bitcoin protects the wealth of civilians from being plundered by inflation, defends private property from violence, realizes the free circulation of value, makes the world without hard-to-pay money, shortens the economic distance of people all over the world, and gives the world a kind of justice...

Copied word-for-word but with a few minor changes from this article:

Bitcoin protects the wealth of civilians from being plundered by inflation, protects private property from violence, and realizes the free flow of value, so that there is no hard-to-pay money in the world, so that people all over the world can trade without obstacles, and give it to the world A more fair and objective currency

How does bitcoin protect private property from violence, anyway??

[delfastTions]

^^^
That is certainly a piece of the puzzle.

The latest Ratimov proof of the massive use of the same photo hosting is very convincing!

Someone from the discussion participants can logically explain: what could be the plan (or intent) in creating so many clones of one person.  
Why does he need it?

[LoyceV]

Code:

https://i.loli.net/

When searching for loli.net on Ninjastic.Space, I get no hits. I was curious to see how often this domain is used to host images on Bitcointalk.

Why do I get a Warning: "Report it or find help. Images of child abuse are illegal" notification when I search Google for "loli.net"?


I checked a part of my own archive, and it seems to be a site used by Chinese (spammers):
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5193/51932853.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5216/52166645.html
https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5239/52392977.html

[FatFork]

Using loli.net address redirects to SM.MS

I have not tried to search for loli.net somewhere. This address appears only if you upload a picture to the SM.MS service.

As Imgur is unavailable in China, they use SM.MS, a Chinese image hosting service. loli.net domain is just their CDN.

I'm not sure how to search for an image url through ninjastic.space and whether it's possible at all, but you can get some results using google:

edit:
No. It doesn't work with Google either.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If someone (here: allegedly RainbowKun) starts out to farm a 60 alt account army with the posting quality he creates (no matter whether we like the content, but just the effort he seems to be putting in), how the heck do you see him ever get near the level to finally make that pay off?

It's possible to sell off higher-ranked accounts with a lot of merits/sMerits.  That's one way to make money from having a bunch of ranked-up accounts.  Another way is to actually create a bounty farm, with friends/family members participating with the accounts once they've achieved a rank where their earnings can be at least near maximized.  It doesn't have to be only one person doing all the work, you know.

Not banned yet:
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Copied word-for-word but with a few minor changes from this article:

Did you report that guy for plagiarism?  I'm going to do it now just in case.  I've had enough of this shit.

Edit:  Never mind, it appears that post is gone.  Hopefully that means he got banned.

Edit2: Yay!

[Frengki_cisco]

Have we been manipulated here by every topic created by RainbowKun I accidentally found one of the posts made by RainbowKun.

Topic: Bitcoin is the only thing that humans cannot control.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5347137.msg57366285#msg57366285

比特币是人类唯一无法控制的东西吗?
https://www.ibtctrade.com/college/941.html?lang=en

From the data I saw, RainbowKun's post on Bitcointalk with the one in Article ibtctrade, is exactly the same, the difference is in English and Chinese translations.

And I don't know who wrote this article first from the release date on Bitcointalk to the one released on ibtctrade, also different but there is a slight difference in every post done by RainbowKun on Bitcointalk, if translated into Chinese almost on average you can find the same words, on google.

There is a possibility RainbowKun translates Chinese articles into English, this is just my guess maybe those who have expertise in that field can try the two language options, English and Chinese, you will find it.

[UserU]

Why do I get a Warning: "Report it or find help. Images of child abuse are illegal" notification when I search Google for "loli.net"?

Because loli, or lolicon is a term (slang) for underaged children, in Japanese culture. Similar to hentai = animated Japanese porn, loli leans towards characters that look like kids/ pre-adolescents.

Therefore when some enters it, Google would think its about searching for the genre, or porn of the sort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon

[RainbowKun]

Have we been manipulated here by every topic created by_RainbowKun_I accidentally found one of the posts made by RainbowKun.

Topic: Bitcoin is the only thing that humans cannot control.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5347137.msg57366285#msg57366285

比特币是人类唯一无法控制的东西吗?
https://www.ibtctrade.com/college/941.html?lang=en

From the data I saw, RainbowKun's post on Bitcointalk with the one in Article ibtctrade, is exactly the same, the difference is in English and Chinese translations.

And I don't know who wrote this article first_from the release date on Bitcointalk to the one released on ibtctrade, also different_but there is a slight difference in every post done by RainbowKun on Bitcointalk, if translated into Chinese almost on average you can find the same words, on google.

There is a possibility_RainbowKun translates Chinese articles into English, this is just my guess_maybe those who have expertise in that field can try the two language options, English and Chinese, you will find it.

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies. Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits? It's the biggest insult to Satoshi Nakamoto.

The problem is you. You're a liar and a cheater. It is you who is cheapening the value of the forum by flooding it with plagiarized and spun text that you claim to be original thought (it is not).

For example, your topic

Bitcoin, switcher for mankind from Carbon-based to Silicon-based civilization

is almost a word-for-word translation of this article:

``Kunyuan Original Serial 6'' blockchain is a switch for human beings to evolve from carbon-based to silicon-based civilization

This article is three years old and I don't believe you are the original author. For example,

In the Internet age, you don’t know if the person sitting opposite and chatting with you is a dog, while in the blockchain age, you don’t know if the person sitting opposite and trading with you is a machine.

——Kun Yuan of Chain Link Society

In the Internet age, you don’t know if your chatting partner is a dog. In the blockchain age, you don’t know if your trading partner is a machine.

Of course, in the Internet age, it is impossible for a dog to really chat with you, because there is no common language between you and not in the same channel. However, in the blockchain age, it is possible for a machine to actually have a transaction with you, because Blockchain has become a medium for the interaction between humans and machines.

A dog cannot truly chat with people on the Internet for the lack of shared language. But in the time of blockchain, it is possible for a machine to transact with humans because they do have a common language.

So... let me guess what you're going to say next: you are actually Kun Yuan, Senior Algorithm Engineer for Alibaba Group and Google Scholar, right?

Yes, you did a great job and searched for my article written in Chinese in 2018. I am the original author Kun Yuan, and I am also from China. Later, I will introduce my resume in the crypto world. My energy is mainly used in writing and the design and development of smart contracts. You can't frame me for forming a Merit Corps and abuse Merit just because I am a Chinese. If I can see the face of a Chinese on the forum, I feel very cordial. I believe that if you find the faces of your country on the forum, you will also feel very cordial. I will introduce my experience in detail later.

As I said in this post, I am Kun Yuan from China, and I never shy away from my Chinese identity. Since 2018, some of the articles I wrote have been widely circulated on the Chinese Internet. Some articles are signed, and some articles are not signed. I am the original author of these articles. I am now revising some of these points and publishing them on bitcointalk, and more of them are new articles. I myself have a very high reputation and influence in the crypto world in China. I also mentioned this in a previous post. I will introduce my experience in the crypto world in detail later.

My current main energy lies in writing and the design and development of smart contracts, which has taken up all of my energy. So when I was framed for building a merit farm, I was very angry. As I said earlier, if you see the faces of people from your own country on Bitcointalk, you will feel cordial.

Later I will show some evidence that I am Kun Yuan himself. For the past three or four years, I have been working hard for the Bitcoin consensus building.Similarly, I will continue to provide evidence that I am not abusing merit.

[RainbowKun]

Have we been manipulated here by every topic created by_RainbowKun_I accidentally found one of the posts made by RainbowKun.

Topic: Bitcoin is the only thing that humans cannot control.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5347137.msg57366285#msg57366285

比特币是人类唯一无法控制的东西吗?
https://www.ibtctrade.com/college/941.html?lang=en

From the data I saw, RainbowKun's post on Bitcointalk with the one in Article ibtctrade, is exactly the same, the difference is in English and Chinese translations.

And I don't know who wrote this article first_from the release date on Bitcointalk to the one released on ibtctrade, also different_but there is a slight difference in every post done by RainbowKun on Bitcointalk, if translated into Chinese almost on average you can find the same words, on google.

There is a possibility_RainbowKun translates Chinese articles into English, this is just my guess_maybe those who have expertise in that field can try the two language options, English and Chinese, you will find it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5347137.msg57366285#msg57366285

This is the same article. I published it on bitcointalk on July 2. Please take a closer look at the time.

[DarkStar_]

Why do I get a Warning: "Report it or find help. Images of child abuse are illegal" notification when I search Google for "loli.net"?

Most likely it's because the word "loli" is in your search result, which would potentially relate to lolicon.

[RainbowKun]

Mr. Kun, without trying to invade your personal privacy any further, could you perhaps just add a line to your LinkedIn page that says "I am RainbowKun on Bitcointalk"? You could place it in the About section, for one day.

If you can do this, just as a temporary measure to prove your identity, I will personally apologize to you for calling you a liar and a cheater.

I have sent you a PM and changed one of my social media introduction information according to your requirements. Please check it.

I have sent a PM to Mr. nutildah, and put "I am RainbowKun on Bitcointalk" on my social media signature as he requested to prove that I am the original author of these articles. I published some articles in China's encrypted media in 2018. However, many of the contents are too long and have a certain time effect, so the articles published on bitcointalk are all modified and improved based on my original views. But now most of the articles are rewritten by me in the past two months. This took up almost all of my energy.

Then I will continue to collect data and let everyone take a closer look at whether I am abusing merit. Please wait for my next evidence.

I hope that everyone in the forum can communicate peacefully, instead of saying that rainbowkun is a liar, he is forming a legion to abuse merit, and he is defrauding community assets. Then a group of people shouted that this was a big liar and killed him. I hope that each of us can have our own independent judgment ability and the most basic thinking ability. Otherwise it will really make people look at jokes.

[The Ghoul]

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Kunyuan Original Serial 6'' blockchain is a switch for human beings to evolve from carbon-based to silicon-based civilization (https://www.xuehua.us/a/5eb64dfe86ec4d3b43531c61)

There is a QR code at the bottom of the article. I think you can add what you said "KUNYUAN" as a contact to verify if it is the original author. Download a wechat. Why don't you investigate further since this step has been investigated?

I just added KUNYUAN, but no response so far.

I desperately need Rainbowkun to prove himself. This way I can get rid of the alt tags imposed on me.

I tried to reply to that article by Ratimov, but I gave up. That post is too confusing. But ratimov mentioned my name again today, accusing me and them of using the same image conversion website.

The Ghoul:

Code:

https://i.loli.net/2021/08/05/8og1IRLrmucaz7t.png

Code:

https://i.loli.net/2021/08/05/LA1mM9y7VcUgk8Q.png

https://sm.ms

This website is my most frequently used website. Yes, I am Chinese. If you search for "图片转换成链接" in google. sm.ms is the first few searches in google.



Yes, they gave me another tag.. I think I have to go to Ratimov’s post to explain....

This is all my explanation of this matter. Don't mention my name again.

What is loli.net, to be honest, I haven't studied it carefully. I don’t think it’s the meaning of pornography mentioned above...I only know that this website can convert my pictures into bbcode.（If you have a better picture converted into bbcode website, you can tell me, I will try to use.）

[kaggie]

Here I will publish a complete list of accounts (at the moment) that have been verified by me and absolutely all accounts have a connection and similar parameters.

In general, if we look at the list of accounts, then there are often very close registration dates, or similar nicknames. Sometimes the cheater lacked imagination and he repeated himself. For example: RainbowKun - Rainbow-queen, Louis Harper - Harper32, ROSEDF - ROSERTY. In general, the style of many nicknames is repeated and has a similar style.

As for the 19 out-of-the-list accounts, I have questions for some, and for some I am almost certainly sure that this is all from the same farm, but I still need to watch, I will not rush for now. Perhaps someone will find those matches that I did not notice and will be able to attach the involvement of these accounts to the rest:

Ambrox -      Date Registered: January 09, 2021, 10:12:54 AM
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kaggie -        Date Registered: May 24, 2021, 05:42:58 PM

[quote link=topic=5356476.msg57781126#msg57781126]
Perhaps I'm still going in the right direction to the Kaggie and KingsDen accounts. I still have doubts about them, but most likely they are also the alts of this farm.

Oh, that's fun.


My comments stand for themselves without my name or any account attached.


I have not checked this forum for the past two weeks. This summer of my posting was fun and cathartic, but I am now busy with regular work so that activity won't return soon.
Much more importantly, I stopped posting because I would like to have 100 activity and 200 merit. It's too cute, so didn't want to ruin that too soon with the wrong post. (edit: Oh crap, I forgot about how things add +14 activity.. Hmm, I should have thought about this more. I will have to see whether I can get a different integer multiple.) Which in part is why I was silently editing two meta-wiki posts that could translate portions to the public wiki.

Now I am in the awkward position of having to have an uneven amount of activity and merit.

Oh well. C'est la vie.

[LoyceV]

As I said in this post, I am Kun Yuan from China, and I never shy away from my Chinese identity. Since 2018, some of the articles I wrote have been widely circulated on the Chinese Internet. Some articles are signed, and some articles are not signed. I am the original author of these articles.

If they "widely circulated", that must mean you've published them somewhere first. You can make all doubt go away by linking your original article. If I'd ever publish some of my posts in a different language elsewhere, I'd instantly add a link saying: "previously posted in English on Bitcointalk".
If your answer is going to be that your original is no longer available, but only copies created by others, you're not making a very convincing point.

I am now revising some of these points and publishing them on bitcointalk, and more of them are new articles. I myself have a very high reputation and influence in the crypto world in China. I also mentioned this in a previous post. I will introduce my experience in the crypto world in detail later.

Even if you used Google Translate to translate your own work from Chinese to English, that's not even against the rules (the other way around isn't allowed). You'd be totally fine doing so.

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

Later I will show some evidence that I am Kun Yuan himself.

Please do.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5347137.msg57366285#msg57366285

同样是这一篇，我7月2号就已经发表在bitcointalk上面了，请大家仔细看一下时间。

Please post in English.
It seems correct: the article on https://www.ibtctrade.com/college/941.html?lang=en has a later date than the post on Bitcointalk. I don't know if posting dates can be manipulated though.

[Frengki_cisco]

this is human nature.

No that's not slander, it's a fact, you are a Chinese community consisting of several people, some of you are using alternative accounts, some are honest, you guys are sneaky at this, you guys are greedy to dominate Bitcointalk but that's not the case, we have the best people here, to undermine your will.

I tried to see one by one the participants in this thread, it does look a little bit different in the [Chinese] proverb, almost all the accounts here, especially those involved in [Merit] as alleged in this thread, it can be said that all languages ​​[of the Chinese community] if translated, into Chinese, are easily obtained on google.

I have my opinion and conclusion in this thread [two] things.
1.Chinese community, can say one office, company with different people, but have this one senior person in Bitcointalk who guides them in posting on Bitcointalk.
2. The Chinese community, which consists of several Alternative Accounts that they manage here, can be seen in terms of their style of posting, but they have a specific purpose.

What was suspected by: nutildah and Ratimov were right, his guess was right, unfortunately we can't draw a valid conclusion, because they haven't been involved in the transaction, just been involved in abusing [Merit].

There is something interesting here in the future, if it is not revealed from now on, we will see more of them making mistakes, now they are alert to connect with each other.

[Jazmin Leslie]

I have my opinion and conclusion in this thread [two] things.
1.Chinese community, can say one office, company with different people, but have this one senior person in Bitcointalk who guides them in posting on Bitcointalk.
2. The Chinese community, which consists of several Alternative Accounts that they manage here, can be seen in terms of their style of posting, but they have a specific purpose.

What was suspected by: nutildah and Ratimov were right, his guess was right, unfortunately we can't draw a valid conclusion, because they haven't been involved in the transaction, just been involved in abusing [Merit].

There is something interesting here in the future, if it is not revealed from now on, we will see more of them making mistakes, now they are alert to connect with each other.

I really don't quite understand,
Like you said, there is a company in an office,Is there any benefit to posting on this forum? Can it make money?
Does this matter need cost? Can cost and benefit be equated?
If a company does this, I think their boss may be that IQ is not online.

And I have said many times, I don’t know what account farm, what legion, it’s ridiculous, I will never accept slander, it’s too bullying.

How magical is this Merit,This can be turned into a battlefield. If this Merit is Bitcoin, I can understand it, but Merit cannot be exchanged for Bitcoin or cash. I really don’t understand.