The forum culture is to kill all newbies?

[RainbowKun]

 In the past four to five years, learning made me a believer of Satoshi Nakamoto and Bitcoin. I’m willing to devote all my energy to Bitcoin. I know bitcointalk is the most precious heritage Satoshi Nakamoto left, so I want to put my in-depth thinking over Bitcoin in here. It’s a sacred thing for me.

I spent most of my time writing during July and August on this forum, striving to publish one article everyday and interact with users. In less than two months, I started a total of 48 topics.

In bitcointalk, I have always adhered to an attitude of peaceful coexistence and communicate with others politely but now I’m suffering vicious assault from Ratimov who condemns me as an alt farmer. That bewildered me as a newbie.

Worse still, there are some people, without learning the truth, deem suppressing newbies as an amusement.

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies. Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits?

This is my response:

Ratimov, do not get deluded by pride or hatred

Everyone is supposed to think independently, not be subject to any gossip or slander.

[ABCbits]

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies.

No, this culture forum is sharing knowledge earning money through signature/bounty campaign. Also check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034141.0.

Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits? It's the biggest insult to Satoshi Nakamoto.

IMO Satoshi would be more insulted with KYC, Bitcoiner who only care about profit and effort to centralize Bitcoin.

[mu_enrico]

I don't think nowadays this forum is harsh for newbies. The other way around, I often get "hate" response from newbies who have toxic attitude. I advise you to keep the drama inside the reputation board, and solve the problem/accusation there with proofs. You have an abnormal merit count though, so his suspicion is understandable.

[RainbowKun]

I don't think nowadays this forum is harsh for newbies. The other way around, I often get "hate" response from newbies who have toxic attitude. I advise you to keep the drama inside the reputation board, and solve the problem/accusation there with proofs. You have an abnormal merit count though, so his suspicion is understandable.

I have written a response and will continue to provide new information. To be honest, I never cared much about who gave me merit, and the smerit I got was given away. The acquisition of all my merits is based on the writing of a large number of articles. This is what I think I am continuing to create value for the forum. I am very disappointed with bitcointalk now. It is too difficult for novices to survive here, and it is difficult for real new users to survive.

[Upgrade00]

I am very disappointed with bitcointalk now. It is too difficult for novices to survive here, and it is difficult for real new users to survive.

Bitcointalk is a community made up of the members here, which you are a part of, there are admins, but no particular central authority which makes all the rules arbitrarily.

Also, you have survived this far on the forum and in less than a year earned over 200 merits from a large range of users, so many other new members have done the same, but we still get repeated complaints of newbie discrimination.
This is a decentralized forum and as such, light trolling and personal scathes usually go on unmoderated, affecting both new members and much higher ranked members. There is no particular privilege given to higher ranked members and newer ones are not picked on.

[Rikafip]

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies. Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits? It's the biggest insult to Satoshi Nakamoto.

Considering the fact that majority of new accounts created here are alt accounts made for some sort of abuse, members of this forum are not as strict towards newbies as some (and you) might think.  

And yeah, man up and stop QQing so much. These things happen on the forums and if you wanna be a part of it, grow a thicker skin and start dealing with it. Genuine newbies have nothing to worry about, while scammers and all those trying to abuse rules usually find out that that what can pass on other platform, doesn't fly here.

And how the hell you know what's an insult to Satoshi Nakamoto?

[lovesmayfamilis]

The forum has come a long way and newcomers have always been and will be different. Fraud detectives have also been and will be. If you check old themes, you will be surprised that one person can own a farm with hundreds of alternative accounts.
Newbies are always under scrutiny since in the history of the forum it was they who were scammers, cheaters, etc. The forum is familiar with deception, therefore, "once you get burned on milk you blow on water"
For example, here are a few past topics where dozens of newbie accounts were exposed, abuse of transfer of merit, and more.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5109057.msg49708048#msg49708048
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5052292.msg46990586#msg46990586
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5061591.msg47498423#msg47498423

So stop building drama. The insults that you say about Ratimov are much rougher than what he laid out against you. Are you inviolable?
On the contrary, I was surprised by Ratimov's good nature, with which he generously distributes merit to newcomers, who later went into the ban. And then we see an experienced The Pharmacist looking suspiciously at newcomers. Since the proverb about milk fits here too.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

I don't think nowadays this forum is harsh for newbies. The other way around, I often get "hate" response from newbies who have toxic attitude. I advise you to keep the drama inside the reputation board, and solve the problem/accusation there with proofs. You have an abnormal merit count though, so his suspicion is understandable.

That depends on which perspective you are from, I mean if newbies says that they feel alienated in this forum then there must be some sort of truth in those words. For me, the only thing that makes it difficult for newbies to navigate is that they don't have the guide, there's a guide yes but it's so passive that it's not encouraging them to go further.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Also, you have survived this far on the forum and in less than a year earned over 200 merits from a large range of users, so many other new members have done the same, but we still get repeated complaints of newbie discrimination.

Seriously.  OP is just aggravated that he got caught up in the alt account ring that he's suspected of being a member of--and for good reason IMO.  The fact is that if the forum in general were prejudiced against newbies, OP wouldn't have been able to earn all of those merits he did, nor would all of those other new accounts involved in the alt ring.  It's only after the merit-givers think they've been hoodwinked that there's any blowback, which is what OP is now seeing.

Considering the fact that majority of new accounts created here are alt accounts made for some sort of abuse, members of this forum are not as strict towards newbies as some (and you) might think. 

That's true IMO, and as soon as I start to let my guard down as far as handing out merits to newcomers, shit like this happens.  Now I'm going back to being very skeptical about any newbies who make well-written, high quality posts--because that's the rare exception, not the rule, and cases of that deserve scrutiny.

[LoyceV]

The fact is that if the forum in general were prejudiced against newbies, OP wouldn't have been able to earn all of those merits he did, nor would all of those other new accounts involved in the alt ring.

It's actually the opposite (of prejudice): I like seeing new users who aren't spammers, it's what both Bitcoin and the forum need to grow.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The fact is that if the forum in general were prejudiced against newbies, OP wouldn't have been able to earn all of those merits he did, nor would all of those other new accounts involved in the alt ring.

It's actually the opposite: I like seeing new users who aren't spammers, it's what both Bitcoin and the forum need to grow.

Did I miss something in your post?  How is what I wrote in contradiction to what you wrote?  I'm saying the forum isn't prejudiced against newbies--and I also like newcomers who aren't spammers (though as I said, that's the exception rather than the rule). 

[LoyceV]

Did I miss something in your post?

Yes, the 2 words I added later

[RapTarX]

It's good that you are responding constructively to the accusation by Ratimov. But why are you creating so many threads here and there? You have created two threads in reputation and one more here in meta. Couldn't you create one thread and share your arguments in the same thread? It would be of more benefit for you to have all the points presented to the community.

[ShowOff]

OP, go to your profile and check the amount of merit you have received so far. Are you sure this forum has a culture of killing all newbies?
Go to this thread and I believe you should change your thread title to be more specific. [TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!. Even the real Ratimov accuses you, include of being one of the most helpful users for newbie to develop with merit and I see it has helped 523/ August 13, 2021.

I firmly believe that newbie are the most important part of the bitcointalk forum apart from we had millions of high rank users before. Nothing will harm newbie if they don't break the rules like spam posting, palagiarism, abuse of merit, abuse of campaigns. They will have to take responsibility for their own actions, they will be ignored and others will be tagged.

[Igebotz]

It's good that you are responding constructively to the accusation by Ratimov. But why are you creating so many threads here and there? You have created two threads in reputation and one more here in meta. Couldn't you create one thread and share your arguments in the same thread? It would be of more benefit for you to have all the points presented to the community.

I was astonished to see two of his threads on the reputation board, and now another here on meta, all pointing and repeating the same issue. I won't be surprised if I see another one on B&H tomorrow or next.

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies. Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits? It's the biggest insult to Satoshi Nakamoto.

If Satoshi were still alive, the forum would be more strict than it is now. There would be no signatures or bounties, and all discussions would be about bitcoin and technical issues, so there would be no drama. The introduction of signatures, bounties, merit, and the trust system added a lot of drama to the forum, and the only way to survive is to develop a thicker skin, or you'll get kicked off. Nobody here cares about your feelings; just your deeds are important.

If you look closely at the reputation board, you'll notice a lot of drama, lies, and accusations amongst both reputable members and Newbies, indicating that no rank is immune to scrutiny or research, which is the beauty of the forum.

[nutildah]

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies. Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits? It's the biggest insult to Satoshi Nakamoto.

The problem is you. You're a liar and a cheater. It is you who is cheapening the value of the forum by flooding it with plagiarized and spun text that you claim to be original thought (it is not).

For example, your topic

Bitcoin, switcher for mankind from Carbon-based to Silicon-based civilization

is almost a word-for-word translation of this article:

``Kunyuan Original Serial 6'' blockchain is a switch for human beings to evolve from carbon-based to silicon-based civilization

This article is three years old and I don't believe you are the original author. For example,

In the Internet age, you don’t know if the person sitting opposite and chatting with you is a dog, while in the blockchain age, you don’t know if the person sitting opposite and trading with you is a machine.

——Kun Yuan of Chain Link Society

In the Internet age, you don’t know if your chatting partner is a dog. In the blockchain age, you don’t know if your trading partner is a machine.

Of course, in the Internet age, it is impossible for a dog to really chat with you, because there is no common language between you and not in the same channel. However, in the blockchain age, it is possible for a machine to actually have a transaction with you, because Blockchain has become a medium for the interaction between humans and machines.

A dog cannot truly chat with people on the Internet for the lack of shared language. But in the time of blockchain, it is possible for a machine to transact with humans because they do have a common language.

So... let me guess what you're going to say next: you are actually Kun Yuan, Senior Algorithm Engineer for Alibaba Group and Google Scholar, right?

[RainbowKun]

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies. Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits? It's the biggest insult to Satoshi Nakamoto.

The problem is you. You're a liar and a cheater. It is you who is cheapening the value of the forum by flooding it with plagiarized and spun text that you claim to be original thought (it is not).

For example, your topic

Bitcoin, switcher for mankind from Carbon-based to Silicon-based civilization

is almost a word-for-word translation of this article:

``Kunyuan Original Serial 6'' blockchain is a switch for human beings to evolve from carbon-based to silicon-based civilization

This article is three years old and I don't believe you are the original author. For example,

In the Internet age, you don’t know if the person sitting opposite and chatting with you is a dog, while in the blockchain age, you don’t know if the person sitting opposite and trading with you is a machine.

——Kun Yuan of Chain Link Society

In the Internet age, you don’t know if your chatting partner is a dog. In the blockchain age, you don’t know if your trading partner is a machine.

Of course, in the Internet age, it is impossible for a dog to really chat with you, because there is no common language between you and not in the same channel. However, in the blockchain age, it is possible for a machine to actually have a transaction with you, because Blockchain has become a medium for the interaction between humans and machines.

A dog cannot truly chat with people on the Internet for the lack of shared language. But in the time of blockchain, it is possible for a machine to transact with humans because they do have a common language.

So... let me guess what you're going to say next: you are actually Kun Yuan, Senior Algorithm Engineer for Alibaba Group and Google Scholar, right?

Yes, you did a great job and searched for my article written in Chinese in 2018. I am the original author Kun Yuan, and I am also from China. Later, I will introduce my resume in the crypto world. My energy is mainly used in writing and the design and development of smart contracts. You can't frame me for forming a Merit Corps and abuse Merit just because I am a Chinese. If I can see the face of a Chinese on the forum, I feel very cordial. I believe that if you find the faces of your country on the forum, you will also feel very cordial. I will introduce my experience in detail later.

[nutildah]

Yes, you did a great job and searched for my article written in Chinese in 2018. I am the original author Kun Yuan, and I am also from China.

I have extreme doubts about this. Why would you text spin your own article? Why not just say you were this person from the beginning? You have also taken excerpts from articles that are clearly not yours.

Triffin Dilemma warns us that a monetary system that depends on the currency of a single sovereign country as its only tool in international liquidity will undoubtedly be trapped into Triffin Dilemma.
...

Here is the original:



Did you also write this wiki article? 

[Jazmin Leslie]

I wanna ask, is this the culture forum? A culture of bullying newbies. Is this still a sacred legacy left by Satoshi Nakamoto? Why is it taken over by some tyrants and bandits? It's the biggest insult to Satoshi Nakamoto.

The problem is you. You're a liar and a cheater. It is you who is cheapening the value of the forum by flooding it with plagiarized and spun text that you claim to be original thought (it is not).

For example, your topic

Bitcoin, switcher for mankind from Carbon-based to Silicon-based civilization

is almost a word-for-word translation of this article:

``Kunyuan Original Serial 6'' blockchain is a switch for human beings to evolve from carbon-based to silicon-based civilization

This article is three years old and I don't believe you are the original author. For example,

In the Internet age, you don’t know if the person sitting opposite and chatting with you is a dog, while in the blockchain age, you don’t know if the person sitting opposite and trading with you is a machine.

——Kun Yuan of Chain Link Society

In the Internet age, you don’t know if your chatting partner is a dog. In the blockchain age, you don’t know if your trading partner is a machine.

Of course, in the Internet age, it is impossible for a dog to really chat with you, because there is no common language between you and not in the same channel. However, in the blockchain age, it is possible for a machine to actually have a transaction with you, because Blockchain has become a medium for the interaction between humans and machines.

A dog cannot truly chat with people on the Internet for the lack of shared language. But in the time of blockchain, it is possible for a machine to transact with humans because they do have a common language.

So... let me guess what you're going to say next: you are actually Kun Yuan, Senior Algorithm Engineer for Alibaba Group and Google Scholar, right?

I would like to know what is going on in this article about Kun Yuan? Is there any connection between RainbowKun and Kun Yuan?

[The Cryptovator]

You are making the situation more worst. This isn't the right approach to defend yourself. It's a general behavior to creating a thread once we notice something suspicious. Suspicious means perhaps there is something wrong and not yet well-proven. So you may defend and explain it.

I am wondering why are you questioning forum culture? As far as I can see this forum is enough friendly for newbies. But yes, the forum isn't enough friendly for abusers and spammers. I am always quite soft with newbies and I notice most established users are soft as well. There will be always different thoughts, but for a few people, we shouldn't judge overall forum culture anyway.

Don't be aggressive by creating a lot of threads on the same topic. You weren't tagged nor even a single neutral tag I found on your profile. So please handle with care whatever issue you are facing.