[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight.

[harizen]

We did not hear words from Casimero regarding this fight, so that's uncharacteristic of him as he usually do trash-talks before the actual fight.

What could be the reason? a change of style?

Yes, I have also noticed that. He was being aggressive to the likes of Inoue and Donaire which is far more competitive and dominant compare to Butler. Maybe since his purse on this fight is "as is", no need for him to make an extra effort creating hype on the fight to sell it to the community.

There might be also some serious approach taken against him for too many talks regarding his supposed fight with Inoue. Remember that he already announced it to the media without an unofficial negotiation and ended up fighting a mandatory challenge with Butler.

[sunsilk]

He'll take it despite the pot money isn't a lot. I think there's a video or words he said that he's going for it despite his disappointment about the pot money.

Thus, he can't do anything but just to obey what has the WBO have ordered him to match with Butler. He'll just let this pass and will look forward that this match has already ended so that he can proceed with what he's been planning all along.

I don't think he needs to be choosy because it is a mandatory fight. The reason why the pot money is small because only one bid for their fight. What can he do, even his promoter didn't bid on this match? So don't expect higher purse if he has the sole bidder here. It will only increase if there's at least another bidder, so they will compete for the price. If he wants bigger purse for his next fight, then make sure he will win over Butler.

Yes, he doesn't have to be picky as it's the organization that has directed him what's going to be his next fight. And if he go against them, there's a lot of consequences that will happen to him.

He just have to let this pass, win or lose the match but I don't think that he'll allow this match to pass and just lose it. Of course, there's still a pride within him despite this is about business and career, he'll still go for it and with a KO, I guess.

[agustina2]

He has to take this fight seriously, put the same training or even exert more to have a convincing win, a KO win would be good for him as that would make a noise in the community and people will hype the fight against Inoue again.

I agree with you. A Knock Out win will make sounds on his name especially if the fight will end up in early rounds.

Not just for his target Naoya Inoue but he can now be a potential opponent for those top names on his rank. He can also consider making another step in the next division.

A continuous win means a good money offer on his future contract. No need for trash talk to make hype on the fight.

[chaser15]

Although this fight is unfair to him but yeah this is determinant factor to him since once he win this fight for sure he's rank or morale increase on this fight and also he will be notice by other stronger fighter so Casimero should really work since if he finish this and fight Inoue after that for sure he could be earn more praise and be respected more in his division. I strongly believe that Inoue vs Casimero fight will be buyable knowing they already created a hype for their upcoming fight.

Before this mandatory fight of Casimero to Butler came into picture boxing fans were expecting to see Inoue and Casimero both in the same ring fighting for a title but this fight is an ordered fight though the winning cut for Casimero is unfair but he must need to push this fight and hopefully win because this will be his ticket to have more big fights in future. Either a rematch of Casimero to Donaire or the anticipated fight between Casimero and Inoue will be big enough for him.

Still can't move on that?  lol.

There's no unfair there for Casimero. He just needs to win the fight and expect a good offers for him in his next match.

It's a good stage for him before a matchup with Naoya Inoue. If he won't pass Butler, no more talks now to make a possible fight with the Japan's one of the top.

[Fundamentals Of]

This is going to be a very easy fight for Casimero. Butler is just a food served on a plate for Casimero. I predict this will be a walk in the park for him. But he should still be in his perfect form when facing Butler to avoid possible upset.

This fight will be like his warm up fight for a possible bigger match right after. There might still be a Casimero vs. Donaire or even Casimero vs. Naoya Inoue after this battle. So he should be prepared and come strong in this conditioning match.

Any analysis you can share why should that fight be an easy one for Casimero? Or just your speculation? You are just contradicting your statement that it's an easy fight for Casimero but in the end, you still take note of a chance on a possible upset. If you think that will be an easy fight for Casimero, he can defeat it even not in his perfect form.

Even we are most fans of Casimero here, we should not consider that fight an easy one. Butler won't just be selected for a mandatory fight for nothing.

We are all speculating here. Our analyses are based on how we look at their previous fights. We predict but our predictions will not be 100% accurate.

There is no contradiction whatsoever when I said this is going to be an easy fight but an upset is always possible. In boxing, even in the most lopsided of matches, there is always a possibility for an upset. Even a highly favorite fighter with odds as low as 1.01 and is expected to just walk in the park could lose.

If somebody would think that because it is going to be an easy fight and therefore would not prepare for it, and would even come out in a bad form, it is a recipe for an upset.

[Silberman]

This will also prove that if in case Casimero is the real deal. So yes, he should fight whoever is challenging him for the belt. Like Pacquiao, he was not choosy with his opponents, even if those previous opponents were really of big advantage over him. So what Casimero needs to do is beat all those boxers who are good in his division. If he will emerge winner in every match, then, we will know  his true power inside the ring.

Casimero doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does. This Butler fight is mandatory for him to fight and if he chooses not to fight then WBO will strip him of the belt but Casimero has no such plan, in fact, he is already in the US preparing for this fight. The reason why he is calling out some names in his division is that if those names fight him, that could be a lucrative fight for him money-wise.

Casimero is not getting younger, though he has the belt the amount of money he receives as a purse is just a penny compared to what has Manny Pacquiao received during this time of his career.

I do not think it is necessary for Casimero to call out his opponents, right now I am seeing a very strong tendency for the public to want to see unification fights, having 4 champions one for each of the important boxing organizations is ridiculous, people want to see who is the best and that means fights among those champions, so sooner or later Casimero vs Inoue will happen, it is just that instead of seeing it right away we are going to need to wait a little bit for that to happen.

[carlisle1]

This will also prove that if in case Casimero is the real deal. So yes, he should fight whoever is challenging him for the belt. Like Pacquiao, he was not choosy with his opponents, even if those previous opponents were really of big advantage over him. So what Casimero needs to do is beat all those boxers who are good in his division. If he will emerge winner in every match, then, we will know  his true power inside the ring.

Casimero doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does. This Butler fight is mandatory for him to fight and if he chooses not to fight then WBO will strip him of the belt but Casimero has no such plan, in fact, he is already in the US preparing for this fight. The reason why he is calling out some names in his division is that if those names fight him, that could be a lucrative fight for him money-wise.

Casimero is not getting younger, though he has the belt the amount of money he receives as a purse is just a penny compared to what has Manny Pacquiao received during this time of his career.

I do not think it is necessary for Casimero to call out his opponents, right now I am seeing a very strong tendency for the public to want to see unification fights, having 4 champions one for each of the important boxing organizations is ridiculous, people want to see who is the best and that means fights among those champions, so sooner or later Casimero vs Inoue will happen, it is just that instead of seeing it right away we are going to need to wait a little bit for that to happen.

More on to cook huge interest from the fans, both camps are aware that the more interest from the fans, the more money they can collect.

Let this mandatory fight to happen and allow fans to see how Casimero keeps on improving
from each fight that he will take before he again throws trash talks to Inoue.

When the time that both will face each other flowing, money will be there, In my opinion
that's how promoters and handlers wanted things to happen, making more cash while bringing
the belt on the table, the winner will take a big slice from the total profits.

[Lanatsa]

This will also prove that if in case Casimero is the real deal. So yes, he should fight whoever is challenging him for the belt. Like Pacquiao, he was not choosy with his opponents, even if those previous opponents were really of big advantage over him. So what Casimero needs to do is beat all those boxers who are good in his division. If he will emerge winner in every match, then, we will know  his true power inside the ring.

Casimero doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does. This Butler fight is mandatory for him to fight and if he chooses not to fight then WBO will strip him of the belt but Casimero has no such plan, in fact, he is already in the US preparing for this fight. The reason why he is calling out some names in his division is that if those names fight him, that could be a lucrative fight for him money-wise.

Casimero is not getting younger, though he has the belt the amount of money he receives as a purse is just a penny compared to what has Manny Pacquiao received during this time of his career.

I do not think it is necessary for Casimero to call out his opponents, right now I am seeing a very strong tendency for the public to want to see unification fights, having 4 champions one for each of the important boxing organizations is ridiculous, people want to see who is the best and that means fights among those champions, so sooner or later Casimero vs Inoue will happen, it is just that instead of seeing it right away we are going to need to wait a little bit for that to happen.

Not a guarantee but if he do able to retain those wins specially if its mandated then there would be always a possibility.We are all anticipating for this fight since last year as I remember.

Mandatory fights had been always come next in line which means that theres nothing we can do but for now lets wait up and see if things will
really be in order.

All that Casimero needs is to win up those fights that had been thrown into him and might reach up on Inoue on last part.

[blockman]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

All that Casimero needs is to win up those fights that had been thrown into him and might reach up on Inoue on last part.

Yeah, it's like playing until he reaches the final boss. He just has to go along with whatever's has been set to him because he can't argue and disobey them.

[arwin100]

This will also prove that if in case Casimero is the real deal. So yes, he should fight whoever is challenging him for the belt. Like Pacquiao, he was not choosy with his opponents, even if those previous opponents were really of big advantage over him. So what Casimero needs to do is beat all those boxers who are good in his division. If he will emerge winner in every match, then, we will know  his true power inside the ring.

Casimero doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does. This Butler fight is mandatory for him to fight and if he chooses not to fight then WBO will strip him of the belt but Casimero has no such plan, in fact, he is already in the US preparing for this fight. The reason why he is calling out some names in his division is that if those names fight him, that could be a lucrative fight for him money-wise.

Casimero is not getting younger, though he has the belt the amount of money he receives as a purse is just a penny compared to what has Manny Pacquiao received during this time of his career.

I do not think it is necessary for Casimero to call out his opponents, right now I am seeing a very strong tendency for the public to want to see unification fights, having 4 champions one for each of the important boxing organizations is ridiculous, people want to see who is the best and that means fights among those champions, so sooner or later Casimero vs Inoue will happen, it is just that instead of seeing it right away we are going to need to wait a little bit for that to happen.

All that Casimero needs is to win up those fights that had been thrown into him and might reach up on Inoue on last part.

This fight will be a huge test to him knowing that there's a huge stake at his side and I think the pressure is high since this is a big loss for him if he cannot able to get this win, but we know the capabilities of Casimero and he's still on his prime so provably he has the advantage towards this fight. The only thing they need to do know is to practice and study his opponent since if they neglect to do that for sure there will be a changes on the fight and that will be totally dangerous to him.

[btc_angela]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.

I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.

[Kasabus]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.

I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.

You can read on the post by Kemarit, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5361289.msg58277454#msg58277454
Based on the post, the fight could potentially happen before the end of the year, the target date is December 11, 2021 but there's no confirmation yet.

And good news also because it looks like it will be a double header of both champions defending their respective title.

[btc78]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

All that Casimero needs is to win up those fights that had been thrown into him and might reach up on Inoue on last part.

Yeah, it's like playing until he reaches the final boss. He just has to go along with whatever's has been set to him because he can't argue and disobey them.

No details yet for this fight and I am not sure if this will really take place actually , maybe they are checking if the fight will sell more tickets and bets before finalization and if this fight won't lure any good reaction then maybe they will push Inoue vs Casimero fight as this was the first target .
and besides Casimero side seems like become silent nowadays no wonder what comes to casimero's mouth now.

[Pamadar]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.

I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.

Rigo is a boring fighter, not Casimero's fault if his opponent doesn't want to be aggressive and make a good counter punch.

That last fight also teaches Casimero good lesson, he should be add more patience and observe
how his opponent will bring the fight.

From that point, he will be able to plan a better strategy and a possible KO once he already
understand the characteristic of his opponent inside the ring.

[Yamifoud]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.

I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.

Rigo is a boring fighter, not Casimero's fault if his opponent doesn't want to be aggressive and make a good counter punch.

That last fight also teaches Casimero good lesson, he should be add more patience and observe
how his opponent will bring the fight.

From that point, he will be able to plan a better strategy and a possible KO once he already
understand the characteristic of his opponent inside the ring.

I agree with that, that was the most boring fight of Casimero that I witnessed and that was because his opponent was just running all throughout the fight. We will never gonna see it again s no promoter would be happy seeing that especially if the fans are booing because they like actions in the ring.

Mayweather seems to be the father of that method.

[Botnake]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.

I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.

Rigo is a boring fighter, not Casimero's fault if his opponent doesn't want to be aggressive and make a good counter punch.

That last fight also teaches Casimero good lesson, he should be add more patience and observe
how his opponent will bring the fight.

From that point, he will be able to plan a better strategy and a possible KO once he already
understand the characteristic of his opponent inside the ring.

I agree with that, that was the most boring fight of Casimero that I witnessed and that was because his opponent was just running all throughout the fight. We will never gonna see it again s no promoter would be happy seeing that especially if the fans are booing because they like actions in the ring.

Mayweather seems to be the father of that method.

Mind you, Rigo was not boring against Donaire, and in fact, he won that fight, but when he fought Casimero, seems like he is afraid of Casimero's power so he forgot to engage and he is just running to survive. IMO, his career is over, he should retire and he can no longer win against a younger fighter, I'm sure his country is already proud of his achievement in boxing.

[electronicash]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.

I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.

Rigo is a boring fighter, not Casimero's fault if his opponent doesn't want to be aggressive and make a good counter punch.

That last fight also teaches Casimero good lesson, he should be add more patience and observe
how his opponent will bring the fight.

From that point, he will be able to plan a better strategy and a possible KO once he already
understand the characteristic of his opponent inside the ring.

I agree with that, that was the most boring fight of Casimero that I witnessed and that was because his opponent was just running all throughout the fight. We will never gonna see it again s no promoter would be happy seeing that especially if the fans are booing because they like actions in the ring.

Mayweather seems to be the father of that method.

Mind you, Rigo was not boring against Donaire, and in fact, he won that fight, but when he fought Casimero, seems like he is afraid of Casimero's power so he forgot to engage and he is just running to survive. IMO, his career is over, he should retire and he can no longer win against a younger fighter, I'm sure his country is already proud of his achievement in boxing.

i even thought rigo will outbox casimero when their fight was announced. he was a champion at some point he has good experience already since he is already up there compare to casimero.

apparently casimero is also becoming confident with his strenght chasing belts and wasnt disappointed as fate favours the brave. butler might fell to the same casimero trap, he looks very incautious reckless but can beat the hell out whoever on his way up.

[Yaunfitda]

This is going to be a very easy fight for Casimero. Butler is just a food served on a plate for Casimero. I predict this will be a walk in the park for him. But he should still be in his perfect form when facing Butler to avoid possible upset.

Hopefully it will be an easy fight for Casimero, just like you said so that he can rest his body on to the next fight with either Donaire or Inoue. But boxer with Casimero's experience knows that there's no walk in the park fight.

He has to take this fight seriously, put the same training or even exert more to have a convincing win, a KO win would be good for him as that would make a noise in the community and people will hype the fight against Inoue again.

This fight will be like his warm up fight for a possible bigger match right after. There might still be a Casimero vs. Donaire or even Casimero vs. Naoya Inoue after this battle. So he should be prepared and come strong in this conditioning match.

Again, it really up to Casimero to still prepare hard and not underestimate Butler. He is the mandatory so for sure he is also very durable fighter as he made it to the number 1 contender category.

We did not hear words from Casimero regarding this fight, so that's uncharacteristic of him as he usually do trash-talks before the actual fight.

What could be the reason? a change of style?

Casimero is under a new promotion, so maybe that's the reason why the suddenly went quiet. And for sure he learn his lessons from the Donaire trash talk. So we can only speculate that maybe Casimero decided to just go low key on this one and focus more on his training against Butler.

And if he won, then he can call out Inoue again. The Donaire clash is easy to make, no need to trash talk him again. But for sure, we can't kept Casimero's mouth sooner or later he will resurface again on his social media with his latest antics.

[South Park]

Unfortunately this is the price they have to pay for being the champion, sometimes they have to hold out fights they do not want just because they are ordered to and it is not as if they can refuse because as we know being the champion allows you to charge more money for the fights so they have no choice but to accept, and this can become a real pain when a boxer has several belts as more than a year could pass before he could select an opponent he wants to face.

Actually, that's normal in boxing, because without these mandatory fights, champions will just choose to fight a fighter that they think they can beat and that they will make a lot of money at the same time, they are getting greedy without the boxing council implementing the rules.

I understand that which is why I am not against mandatory fights on principle, but at the same time I can recognize how it can be a complete pain for the world champion to not have any authority to decide who do you want to fight, especially if you have several belts as now a lot of time will pass before you can have an easy fight from which you can make some easy money or you have to wait to fight another champion because you have to fight the challenger of the organization you belong and now your big payday is delayed once again.

[blockman]

I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?

I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.

I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.

You can read on the post by Kemarit, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5361289.msg58277454#msg58277454
Based on the post, the fight could potentially happen before the end of the year, the target date is December 11, 2021 but there's no confirmation yet.

And good news also because it looks like it will be a double header of both champions defending their respective title.

IIRC, that date was for Casimero vs Inoue and not with Butler. Casimero has told that before when there's no order yet from the WBO about this match.
He said that date exactly when people asked him when he and Inoue match will happen. But if they're with the same management and Casimero has said the same date before but now with a different opponent, I think that there's really a match on that date before and Casimero anticipated that it's going to be with Inoue but just replaced and switched by the WBO. Let's move forward to that date if that's going to happen.