iv4n: Looking for feedback - should the negative tag remain?

[LoyceV]

I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay

In that case: there's your answer! Let the DT1-voting take care of it:

With great power comes great responsibility (source unknown). Especially when you're on DefaultTrust (or if you want to be on DefaultTrust in the future), you shouldn't (ab)use that power by leaving (negative) feedback when someone does something you don't like. Your Sent feedback is what others use to judge your judgement.
If someone on the internet is mean to you: boo fucking hoo! Use the Ignore button, and forget about them.

If enough users disagree with your feedback, you'll drop out of DefaultTrust eventually, but at least you leave the feedback you believe is deserved. There will never be 100% community consensus on Bitcointalk.

I even think JG should be red tagged by all the DT's here because of misleading them into false state of affairs. I have seen many innocent people pop up being a victim of his trust abuse from years.

If you believe someone abused the Trust system, you're no better if you do the same. I'd use a Trust exclusion and Neutral feedback for Trust abuse.
I keep quoting myself:

Neutral (shown as =1)

• Use Neutral feedback for anything that doesn't mean someone can or can't be trusted. This can be good feedback, for instance when someone helped you out.
• I think Neutral Feedback is currently undervalued on Bitcointalk. It's a great tool to de-escalate without drastic consequences. Please use it when appropriate.

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[iv4n]

I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay

In that case: there's your answer! Let the DT1-voting take care of it:

That part you quoted goes like this:

I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay but just for the sake of not having my thread about asking 1xbit promoters to refrain being flooded with pro-iv4n posts I created this and am willing to change the tag to neutral if the consensus shows it would be more conducive.

Again "pro-iv4n posts"... why posts? There was only one post... and that post is questionable:

I am also interested in what is the reason for applying the tag to this user, because the link attached to the tag does not contain any archives but leads to this thread. Not that it bothered me, but from time to time I see this guy's ^[iv4n] messages in the various sections of the message and I do not remember that he would have carried the 1xbit signature, (although I do not exclude that I could overlook something). 


I found a mention ... As it turned out, the tag is related to the review, but I think the tag is a bit biased, at least I see that you did not red tag other users participating in that discussion. In addition, iv4n did not say anything that significantly differs from the words of other users, he did not say "I recommend" but at the same time publicly expressed concerns and clarified that (I highlighted some thoughts in red).

Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address: bc1qxepaj5xp7klsv797ndgm2xgs98er9ydj0rt625

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers!

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

I would like people to be objective, that's all... and give their honest opinion about this case! I think Jolly and some of his friends made some serious accusations without any logical arguments, all they have is "ONE POST" that can be interpreted in different ways, but is it really "Writing highly dubious and selective reviews for getting paid by scammers is unacceptable conduct: https://archive.is/Ii3g6"?! Does it sound like I am begging for that money, that I am a parasite?

I went through the first 2 or 3 pages of that reviews thread and tagged the accounts I thought warranted it. When I have time I will go through all the pages and tag all those accounts that I feel warrant it.

Kind Regards

Feelings...

[Csmiami]

This has actually drifted into a drama shitthread when the situation is rather simple...

Anyone that knows Ivan knows that what has happened here is not a shill attempt; but judging a situation from a distance without knowing the person and all the facts is always easier. I believe this is something we've all done at some point; it's easier to go against a nickname than a real person.

I'd also like to make a reminder that this is an international forum, where people from all over the globe come post and talk about crypto in general, and bitcoin in a more specific way. Not everyone is proficency in English here, it may not be their mother tongue, they may have only learnt it at school, etc. What may seem like an ambiguous wording of something may just be a rough translation of another, more strong language for the user. I'm no English professor to make judgments on the English level of each forum user, but when taking a decition like this one, where there seems to be a shill attempt, I'd take that into consideration too.

This has become much more than what it actually is, and I'd ask all of you to take a step back and take a deep breath; because nothing is solved when people are feeling personally attacked.

And as a matter of fact, yes, I am vocal whenever I find a situation (or the situation finds me) in which I believe the trust system is being incorrectly used. We are sometimes too trigger friendly when it comes to certain topics, and that's why some more thought should sometimes be put into them.

[LoyceV]

This has become much more than what it actually is

Hence my quote: "does this make the forum a better place?". It's not as if iv4n is chilling the scammer's signature, all he did was make a post in a topic where's it's pretty obvious already the site is a scam. So I don't see any damage done to the forum, while tagging iv4n causes real reputation damage.

But as much as I wouldn't do it myself, we can't have a decentralized Trust system without disagreeing to some tags. "We" can only make suggestions.

[UmerIdrees]

If enough users disagree with your feedback, you'll drop out of DefaultTrust eventually, but at least you leave the feedback you believe is deserved. There will never be 100% community consensus on Bitcointalk.

Yeah that's how the trust system work. Remember JollyGood had given feedbacks on all the accounts which participated in the 1xbit signature campaign and all those scammers would be waiting for this to happen.

Although i haven't changed my stance, but I think JollyGood should show a big heart here and make this neutral.

[LoyceV]

Yeah that's how the trust system work. Remember JollyGood had given feedbacks on all the accounts which participated in the 1xbit signature campaign and all those scammers would be waiting for this to happen.

That's why one bad feedback usually doesn't make others exclude a user, but it will happen if it gets out of hand. And that's why it's especially important to leave accurate feedback.

[thesmallgod]

I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay

In that case: there's your answer! Let the DT1-voting take care of it:

That part you quoted goes like this:

I am not in any doubt. I think iv4n deserves a red tag and it should stay but just for the sake of not having my thread about asking 1xbit promoters to refrain being flooded with pro-iv4n posts I created this and am willing to change the tag to neutral if the consensus shows it would be more conducive.

Again "pro-iv4n posts"... why posts? There was only one post... and that post is questionable:

I am also interested in what is the reason for applying the tag to this user, because the link attached to the tag does not contain any archives but leads to this thread. Not that it bothered me, but from time to time I see this guy's ^[iv4n] messages in the various sections of the message and I do not remember that he would have carried the 1xbit signature, (although I do not exclude that I could overlook something). 


I found a mention ... As it turned out, the tag is related to the review, but I think the tag is a bit biased, at least I see that you did not red tag other users participating in that discussion. In addition, iv4n did not say anything that significantly differs from the words of other users, he did not say "I recommend" but at the same time publicly expressed concerns and clarified that (I highlighted some thoughts in red).

Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address: bc1qxepaj5xp7klsv797ndgm2xgs98er9ydj0rt625

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers!

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

I would like people to be objective, that's all... and give their honest opinion about this case! I think Jolly and some of his friends made some serious accusations without any logical arguments, all they have is "ONE POST" that can be interpreted in different ways, but is it really "Writing highly dubious and selective reviews for getting paid by scammers is unacceptable conduct: https://archive.is/Ii3g6"?! Does it sound like I am begging for that money, that I am a parasite?

I went through the first 2 or 3 pages of that reviews thread and tagged the accounts I thought warranted it. When I have time I will go through all the pages and tag all those accounts that I feel warrant it.

Kind Regards

Feelings...

He did the same thing to me. I think JollyGood should be more objective in thinking. I am neither with 1xbit nor against them. If you read customer reviews on every gambling site, it is always positive and negative. If we make a conclusion based on the negative review, then every gambling site on the internet will be tagged SCAM

Below are the reputations of some well-renowned gambling sites in the world
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.bet365.com
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.betway.com
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.bovada.lv
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.paddypower.com

I made my own review and even gave transaction links just to show that I am not just making reviews for the money but as an authentic user of the platform. I support and promote freedom of expression but it is a bad idea when you are trying to keep people shut just because you do not agree with their opinion. It is a bad thing.

[iv4n]

So this is it? Prosecutor sues you, prosecutor judges you!?

For sure I am not guilty of what Jolly accused me here, that is clear... but still he took the liberty to do what he feels like and nobody can do anything about it?

I guess more people here think that negative shouldn't remain, but who cares about that!? What a funny story this is...

[Steamtyme]

So this is it? Prosecutor sues you, prosecutor judges you!?
For sure I am not guilty of what Jolly accused me here, that is clear... but still he took the liberty to do what he feels like and nobody can do anything about it?
I guess more people here think that negative shouldn't remain, but who cares about that!? What a funny story this is...

For what it's worth I don't see your red. Long ago, I excluded this particular user. Simply because I don't trust their judgement. (which is what they should have done with you, based on their opinion)
It's funny that the same thigns are still ongoing, and the same sort of "I need the communities opinion" threads pop up. It's simple, especially when it's clear the overstep taking place. I wouldn't hold my breath Iv4n, as it's already been laid out for them in clear terms by one of the few users who understands the system, and uses it accordingly with out faulter.

I'm only posting as we've interacted plenty of times and I know you'll be better off ignoring the rating and probably the user moving forward. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

[iv4n]

So this is it? Prosecutor sues you, prosecutor judges you!?
For sure I am not guilty of what Jolly accused me here, that is clear... but still he took the liberty to do what he feels like and nobody can do anything about it?
I guess more people here think that negative shouldn't remain, but who cares about that!? What a funny story this is...

For what it's worth I don't see your red. Long ago, I excluded this particular user. Simply because I don't trust their judgement. (which is what they should have done with you, based on their opinion)
It's funny that the same thigns are still ongoing, and the same sort of "I need the communities opinion" threads pop up. It's simple, especially when it's clear the overstep taking place. I wouldn't hold my breath Iv4n, as it's already been laid out for them in clear terms by one of the few users who understands the system, and uses it accordingly with out faulter.

I'm only posting as we've interacted plenty of times and I know you'll be better off ignoring the rating and probably the user moving forward. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

We played poker for a while... did you ever saw me begging for money?! This is more than just negative for me... Jolly and his friends tagged me as a parasite who beg for money and shill for 1xBit...  for what? That post is not even near for what I am accused of here... and I didn't see any arguments from them that support their accusation!

This is not fair and I can't accept it! I simply can't move forward here with this negative mark under my name! And I can't believe that some people don't see what is happening here...

[JollyGood]

Anyone that knows Ivan knows that what has happened here is not a shill attempt; but judging a situation from a distance without knowing the person and all the facts is always easier. I believe this is something we've all done at some point; it's easier to go against a nickname than a real person.

I'd also like to make a reminder that this is an international forum, where people from all over the globe come post and talk about crypto in general, and bitcoin in a more specific way. Not everyone is proficency in English here, it may not be their mother tongue, they may have only learnt it at school, etc. What may seem like an ambiguous wording of something may just be a rough translation of another, more strong language for the user. I'm no English professor to make judgments on the English level of each forum user, but when taking a decition like this one, where there seems to be a shill attempt, I'd take that into consideration too.

I agree with most of what you wrote, I quoted the important part but I already mentioned that in the OP. Any user could have looked at the so-called honest review and come to their own conclusion based on the assumed English language proficiency of the member and kept that issue factored in when making a decision. What also cannot be denied is there is also a responsibility on part of the person posting to try their best to avoid controversy too. What happened on this occasion is debatable with strong views on both sides.

If enough users disagree with your feedback, you'll drop out of DefaultTrust eventually, but at least you leave the feedback you believe is deserved. There will never be 100% community consensus on Bitcointalk.

Yeah that's how the trust system work. Remember JollyGood had given feedbacks on all the accounts which participated in the 1xbit signature campaign and all those scammers would be waiting for this to happen.

Although i haven't changed my stance, but I think JollyGood should show a big heart here and make this neutral.

From what I can recall we never interacted in the past so it is nice to be acquainted with you. I like the way you posted about this issue throughout the thread. Thank you for your objective views UmerIdrees.

I mentioned the following in the OP making it clear I never interacted with iv4n and do not know how he expresses/articulates himself but keeping that in mind he came across as desperate to get that $30. I am not the only one who noticed that so-called Honest Review with over the top exclamation marks and innuendo (considered akin to begging at least one member).

If those that know him by previous communication are sure that he is not shilling and that feedback was a typical style of posting by him then I have no problem in revising the feedback but for anybody including iv4n to claim others will not mistake that highly dubious so-called honest review for a shill - then they are way off the mark.

As for showing a big heart and changing the feedback, I was always open to changing the feedback to neutral if consensus dictated it and not just for this issue on the shameful so-called honest review left by iv4n but on all other issues too.

In the past I have revised feedback on several occasions either after noticing I left it in haste or by virtue of consensus. unlike what have been alluded to in the forum by certain users, asking for consensus to either edit, remove or modify feedback is sign of strength and co-operation not a sign of weakness.

There is no problem on my part to add/remove/modify any feedback I have left, therefore as soon as iv4n states his so-called honest review could at the very least be misconstrued as promoting or semi-promoting a known scam website such as 1xbit and he had no intention of doing so - I think that would be an acceptable way to end this issue because his acknowledgment of his action by leaving that review and the subsequent ramifications would warrant a neutral tag.

Regarding some other noises being made in the thread which I did not factor in to my decision to change the trust to neutral providing iv4n owns up to his error of judgement for the sake of chasing $30, I am tired of reading nonsensical posts in the forum about "hey I know you so I know you did not mean it" and "this was clearly not a shill attempt" - when it clearly is debatable at the very least and a clear shill at the worst, therefore is a matter of opinion and not as clear as they might imply. Some members claiming there is no ambiguity in the so-called honest review are entitled to their views but so is everyone else.

In short, the negative feedback for iv4n will be replaced with a neutral tag after he acknowledges his so-called honest review can be seen by others as a recommendation to use the 1xbit scam website. If iv4n declines to acknowledge his error then the tag stays at least until some more reputable members put their views forward for consideration. Those I have on my ignore list and on my distrust list will obviously be ignored and their opinions disregarded.

Once again, I have no problem at all with changing or modifying feedback but before that can happen the main protagonist (iv4n) has to accept his error of judgement for the sake of chasing $30 or reputable members have to put forward their views about which tag (if any at all) should suffice and if a sizeable majority think one way or the other I will go with that.

Granted I do not know iv4n and I have not interacted with him so cannot understand how he might express himself but to me parts of that post show a degree of desperation to get his $30, whereas he should have known better.

In your opinion should the negative tag remain or should I replace it with a neutral?

[lovesmayfamilis]

Considering that the account belongs to a fairly avid gamer, and as far as I understand, having a lot of experience, but not yet have any experience with the 1xbit site, he wrote the first impression. Playing on different sites, he probably knows what to compare with. For example, I'm not a gamer, and for my part, the review will sound fake, since I have no idea what gambling sites should look like.
iv4n made it clear that he was aware of the accusations against the site, so he doubts whether it is worth trying and trying at all. And since he knows what gambling sites are, assuming he doesn't waste his money, he can give a complete overview. Again, if he played on this site, then his review would have more power than a person who does not understand the casino. But iv4n honestly says that he knows the reputation of the site, but has no experience there.

Simply put, every day we are asked to express our opinion about a particular product. We can only tell you about a product correctly and honestly if we test it. And for this, there are samplers so that people do not waste money, which they might later regret.

The negative tag seems inappropriate to me here. Again. It depends on the person. This is the account of a player who has experience but does not want to spend his money.
Isn't it?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

I mentioned the following in the OP making it clear I never interacted with iv4n and do not know how he expresses/articulates himself but keeping that in mind he came across as desperate to get that $30. I am not the only one who noticed that so-called Honest Review with over the top exclamation marks and innuendo (considered akin to begging at least one member).

You want to know who have interacted with iv4n and their opinion? You will not need to go back too far. I have seen very fewer people to stake their money but they are so active in gambling discussion boards as if they all are born gamblers. Sorry, no offence to anyone if you are a regular poster in gambling discussion but do not risk a dime. It makes sense when I see so many activities. You are so isolated that you do not go out and enjoy a football match with your pals in the pub anymore. All these crap shows are to get in a good paying signature campaign or to prepare yourself to be in a campaign you desire to be in. There are very few people who are genuinely interested in bitcoin. This forum needs to be renamed. An appropriate name could be signaturespammingtalk.org

Anyway, about iv4n, ask those guys who were regular in the bitcointalk poker series. SWCpoker if I am not wrong. As far as I remember, iv4n was one of the nicest contestants among all of us, fuck  figmentofmyass by the way. We won multiple x of $30 and lost a lot too in different poker tables. Why the hack I am even talking about $30, is this even an amount for a poker player? So if you ask me about iv4n then I will say you are wrong about him and all these nonsense you are making because of a post/review whatever you like to call which is left by a user. What the hack is wrong with you? You are putting a bad name to DT network and I do not like it.

I do not see any warrant there, I do not see any risk there, I do not see any damage there. Frankly speaking, nothing is there to raise any alarm. I see over reaction and an approach to make an issue out of nothing, like those XRP created out of thin air. This is not good and very dangerous for the community. Last words to help you to make a decision since you asked, I do not think you even need to leave a neutral on his feedback page at all. Get it out of your head.

We played poker for a while... did you ever saw me begging for money?!

No, you did not. All the guys in this series can confirm it including few common names I remember who are Betwrong buwaytress cygan efialtis Steamtyme SyGambler tyKiwanuka Murat yahoo62278 johhnyUA 1r0n1c Trofo morvillz7z cryptofrka Hhampuz

[hacker1001101001]

In short, the negative feedback for iv4n will be replaced with a neutral tag after he acknowledges his so-called honest review can be seen by others as a recommendation to use the 1xbit scam website. If iv4n declines to acknowledge his error then the tag stays at least until some more reputable members put their views forward for consideration. Those I have on my ignore list and on my distrust list will obviously be ignored and their opinions disregarded.

Usual threat a filthy and corrupt person would roam around with.

Even your neutral is meaningless here by looking at the gambling history of your so called "protagonist" and your made up stories of being an genuine person.

Clear example of where DT already is with people like you and who trust you still.

[iv4n]

I mentioned the following in the OP making it clear I never interacted with iv4n and do not know how he expresses/articulates himself but keeping that in mind he came across as desperate to get that $30. I am not the only one who noticed that so-called Honest Review with over the top exclamation marks and innuendo (considered akin to begging at least one member).

Does my post really sounds like I am "desperate to get that $30"?! Why are you pushing this, it's not true, read my post again and show me why would anyone think like that!?

Also check the next page, my next post where I quoted Yahoo and Notblox... Also, check the address, I didn't know I was paid until a few days ago, that money still sits there! So I am so desperate to get $30, but I didn't even touch them after 5 months?

If those that know him by previous communication are sure that he is not shilling and that feedback was a typical style of posting by him then I have no problem in revising the feedback but for anybody including iv4n to claim others will not mistake that highly dubious so-called honest review for a shill - then they are way off the mark.

Read my post again...

but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

And it was the first look review, why dubious, why so-called? I opened this specific casino, I checked what they have, I wrote what I saw and what was interesting to me... stated that will try the casino if I get the money! I didn't even know I got the money, so I didn't even try it... I didn't write more about it! It's honesty, I wrote/write what I really do, what I really think... again, check the address for confirmation!

In short, the negative feedback for iv4n will be replaced with a neutral tag after he acknowledges his so-called honest review can be seen by others as a recommendation to use the 1xbit scam website. If iv4n declines to acknowledge his error then the tag stays at least until some more reputable members put their views forward for consideration. Those I have on my ignore list and on my distrust list will obviously be ignored and their opinions disregarded.

Usual threat a filthy and corrupt person would roam around with.

Even your neutral is meaningless here by looking at the gambling history of your so called "protagonist" and your made up stories of being an genuine person.

Clear example of where DT already is with people like you and who trust you still.

You hit the point, this is exactly that:

In short, the negative feedback for iv4n will be replaced with a neutral tag after he acknowledges his so-called honest review can be seen by others as a recommendation to use the 1xbit scam website. If iv4n declines to acknowledge his error then the tag stays at least until some more reputable members put their views forward for consideration. Those I have on my ignore list and on my distrust list will obviously be ignored and their opinions disregarded.

Once again, I have no problem at all with changing or modifying feedback but before that can happen the main protagonist (iv4n) has to accept his error of judgement for the sake of chasing $30 or reputable members have to put forward their views about which tag (if any at all) should suffice and if a sizeable majority think one way or the other I will go with that.

This is one of the PM's:

... I realize that my post can be
interpreted differently, but for sure it's not "Writing highly dubious and selective reviews for getting paid by scammers"!

I have no problems admitting when I am wrong and apologizing for my mistakes... but again you are saying "for the sake of chasing $30"... and now you want me to admit my "error of judgment" and to admit that I am a begger and parasite for $30? This can't be funnier Jolly...

Once again I will be the one who is pointing the facts:

Writing highly dubious and selective reviews for getting paid by scammers is unacceptable conduct: https://archive.is/Ii3g6

It was just one post, so negative about me is wrong... I am sure Jolly would found more posts, I bet he was looking for that... but at the same time he forgot that we had interactions, I quoted him a few times in the past 6 months!

Interesting site 1xbit! I never played there, and I am not sure should I start now... Too many unsolved accusations on your account, of course!

But I like easy registration, and I like the list of the coins you accept! Amazing! Also, the list of available games is awesome, I am looking around the site and to be honest I like what I see! I am tempted to deposit some amount and test you... but maybe I will get $30 for this "the-first-look-review"?!

Here is my 1xbit deposit address: bc1qxepaj5xp7klsv797ndgm2xgs98er9ydj0rt625

If I get the coins I will play and I will be able to say something more about 1xbit casino! Cheers!

If this is dubious and selective, shilling for 1xbit, crying for money, looking desperate to get $30... then I am the crazy one here!

I can admit that I am full of vices, I do gamble a lot, I am a drinker and smoker... and I enjoy all my vices! I don't have problems with honesty, because I try to speak the truth always, here and in real life, I speak from my experience and from my mind! Some people with whom I spent time gambling and playing various games can tell you! And what you did Jolly here is that you accused me more than just for shilling for 1xbit, you accused me that I am desperate for $30 and that I am a person who begs for money, some of your friends gave me even worse nicknames...and it's what you repeat through all of your posts, and that is simply wrong! You made a wrong judgment about me and maybe you should think about apologizing to me for that... later we can discuss my post and is it really a shilling for 1xbit! Is it "Writing highly dubious and selective reviews" or is it just one post!

[The Sceptical Chymist]

That's why one bad feedback usually doesn't make others exclude a user, but it will happen if it gets out of hand. And that's why it's especially important to leave accurate feedback.

With JollyGood, I think it's already gotten out of hand at this point.  I would suggest that anyone who has him on their trust list review his sent feedback and question whether there are enough wrongly-left ones to justify an exclusion.  In my case, there are just too many, and that was before his tagging of RapTarX and Little Mouse.

This is not fair and I can't accept it! I simply can't move forward here with this negative mark under my name! And I can't believe that some people don't see what is happening here...

The consensus on the forum is that 1xbit is a complete scam, and I agree with that.  And while I don't tag members who participate in campaigns/bounties that advertise scam services, I have no problem with members who do.  It's harsh, but I do believe that there was discussion before the tagging started and warnings given out (though I'm not sure about the latter).  Members who continued to advertise for 1xbit after all of that deserve what they get IMO.

And as far as your statement about not being able to "move forward" on the forum: grow up.  Moving forward most likely means joining whatever campaign or bounty that'll accept you, and I doubt you're going to get much sympathy for that sort of plight.  Also, life isn't fair.  Get used to it.

[iv4n]

That's why one bad feedback usually doesn't make others exclude a user, but it will happen if it gets out of hand. And that's why it's especially important to leave accurate feedback.

With JollyGood, I think it's already gotten out of hand at this point.  I would suggest that anyone who has him on their trust list review his sent feedback and question whether there are enough wrongly-left ones to justify an exclusion.  In my case, there are just too many, and that was before his tagging of RapTarX and Little Mouse.

This is not fair and I can't accept it! I simply can't move forward here with this negative mark under my name! And I can't believe that some people don't see what is happening here...

The consensus on the forum is that 1xbit is a complete scam, and I agree with that.  And while I don't tag members who participate in campaigns/bounties that advertise scam services, I have no problem with members who do.  It's harsh, but I do believe that there was discussion before the tagging started and warnings given out (though I'm not sure about the latter).  Members who continued to advertise for 1xbit after all of that deserve what they get IMO.

And as far as your statement about not being able to "move forward" on the forum: grow up.  Moving forward most likely means joining whatever campaign or bounty that'll accept you, and I doubt you're going to get much sympathy for that sort of plight.  Also, life isn't fair.  Get used to it.

You already wrote something, don't forget about it:

but JollyGood, I'll tell you: I won't complain for a minute if you keep the tag in place, because his idiotic opinion and that begging for bitcoin deem him a complete parasite in my eyes, and it'd be better if that negative trust inhibited him from joining sig campaigns/bounties in the future.

Moving forward on this forum with this red tag is unacceptable for me, I will not be able to feel comfortable writing anything if someone marked me as an "idiotic opinion person who begs for money around, a parasite that is shilling for $30!"

And now be honest and truthfully and check my history and then judge! As I said, and I will repeat it, that $30 still sits there... It's how "DESPERATE" I am for that fucking $30.... What Jolly and you are saying doesn't have a base, you are totally wrong and it's hard for you to accept it as it looks like...

And you offended me "The Pharmacist"! As Jolly did! And as I said, it's not even about that post anymore... it's about you tagging me for something imaginable in my mind!
If the community really thinks I am guilty and that I am wrong here, that I am what you and Jolly are saying I am... I can only bend my tail, to apologize for my actions and remove myself from here!

Edit 1:

And as far as your statement about not being able to "move forward" on the forum: grow up.

I already explained... moving forward on this forum with this red tag would be against my character, what can I write honestly anymore ever again after this? You attacked me directly, as I said it's not even about that ridiculous post that can be interpreted differently! We can discuss that post, but you said some things about ME! And that is not fair, you judged me too quickly!

Kids are sleeping, a dog is fed, the wife is satisfied... I am drinking beer and smoking cigars! I can grow more, I know, and I hope I will, in many ways... but all that has nothing with this forum and this situation! I simply can't stand still while some people tarnish my name like this!

Edit 2:

Also, life isn't fair.  Get used to it.

I live in Serbia... 2 wars in my life, bombs, and hyperinflation, drug wars, and whatever we have now in this "to the bones corrupted country"... you will tell me that life is not fair!? Once again you are judging before knowing all facts... probably like Jolly did when tagged me for that post and calling me all those names for silly $30... it's funny...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Moving forward on this forum with this red tag is unacceptable for me, I will not be able to feel comfortable writing anything if someone marked me as an "idiotic opinion person who begs for money around, a parasite that is shilling for $30!"

That sounds like a you problem more so than a me problem, if you know what I mean.  And unless JollyGood chooses to remove that feedback, you don't have a choice in the matter.

And you offended me "The Pharmacist"! As Jolly did! And as I said, it's not even about that post anymore... it's about you tagging me for something imaginable in my mind!

You're responsible for your own feelings, dude.  I spoke my mind honestly, and your reaction to it is none of my concern, as you're a crap shitposter who was already on my ignore list.  Also, I didn't tag you.  I don't think you know the definition of that word in the context of the trust system, so it'd be best if you learned it.

I live in Serbia... 2 wars in my life, bombs, and hyperinflation, drug wars, and whatever we have now in this "to the bones corrupted country"... you will tell me that life is not fair!?

Did you fight those wars?  Did you get bombed?  How were you affected by hyperinflation?  Did you get caught up in drug wars?  Those are false arguments unless you were affected by them personally--and don't even bother answering those questions, because I don't know you and wouldn't trust anything you had to say anyway.

And yes, I'm telling you that life isn't fair because:

This is not fair and I can't accept it!

Bitching about negative feedback on an internet forum being unfair clearly indicates that you're not at all familiar with real unfairness.

[hacker1001101001]

Bitching about negative feedback on an internet forum being unfair clearly indicates that you're not at all familiar with real unfairness.

LoL, not to offend you but,

You don't know shit about how a person feels when he is being slandered on the internet along with his reputation being squashed without solid reason's.

This is unfair after all.

[iv4n]

Moving forward on this forum with this red tag is unacceptable for me, I will not be able to feel comfortable writing anything if someone marked me as an "idiotic opinion person who begs for money around, a parasite that is shilling for $30!"

That sounds like a you problem more so than a me problem, if you know what I mean.  And unless JollyGood chooses to remove that feedback, you don't have a choice in the matter.

Why did you join the conversation in this case? Why did you judge me without any reason? Did you just follow Jolly's example here, without using your brain?

And you offended me "The Pharmacist"! As Jolly did! And as I said, it's not even about that post anymore... it's about you tagging me for something imaginable in my mind!

You're responsible for your own feelings, dude.  I spoke my mind honestly, and your reaction to it is none of my concern, as you're a crap shitposter who was already on my ignore list.  Also, I didn't tag you.  I don't think you know the definition of that word in the context of the trust system, so it'd be best if you learned it.

You spoke your mind honestly and I am not? Why do you feel a need to write that stuff? To call me an idiotic parasite who begs for money? I am OK with my feelings, but what you are doing here is not fair, accusing me of something ridiculous!

I never run from the truth! I can be a crap shitposter, I learned everything by myself, by trying things I never did, reading and reading... I know that my English is far from perfect, but I am trying to improve myself as much I can with what I have! I never denied (and you can see that in some of my posts) that my knowledge in some areas is superficial! But I never claimed I am some expert, I know what I know and I write about that honestly, with simple words as I understand it!

If you think there's a better word for what you did then teach me!

I live in Serbia... 2 wars in my life, bombs, and hyperinflation, drug wars, and whatever we have now in this "to the bones corrupted country"... you will tell me that life is not fair!?

Did you fight those wars?  Did you get bombed?  How were you affected by hyperinflation?  Did you get caught up in drug wars?  Those are false arguments unless you were affected by them personally--and don't even bother answering those questions, because I don't know you and wouldn't trust anything you had to say anyway.

You see... you wouldn't trust me why? Because I am a dishonest idiotic parasite who begs for money? And now explain me how this is not tagging someone, and tell me a better word for that...
I will let you do the math, check my profile and how old I am, then check history and you will see was I affected by these personally and directly, and try to imagine in how many ways indirectly!

And yes, I'm telling you that life isn't fair because:

This is not fair and I can't accept it!

Bitching about negative feedback on an internet forum being unfair clearly indicates that you're not at all familiar with real unfairness.

So you think I should accept my new title as a dishonest person who cries for money around because life is not fair, because you spoke your mind honestly, and your reaction to it is none of your concern?!

I am not bitchin about the negative, I am defending my name! And you don't know me, but you took the liberty to say many things about me...and as you said, you don't know me, but you can judge me anyway, right!?

Bitching about negative feedback on an internet forum being unfair clearly indicates that you're not at all familiar with real unfairness.

LoL, not to offend you but,

You don't know shit about how a person feels when he is being slandered on the internet along with his reputation being squashed without solid reason's.

This is unfair after all.

That's the point, without solid reasons they are throwing false accusations against me... and that is not fair! Simple as that...