[WO/Hat-Gang Only - MODERATED] The fucking COVID vax thread (No hat? Fuck off!)

[Arriemoller]

This is why vaccinated people get sick, the protection doesn't last as long as first thought.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/11/05/covid-how-long-does-vaccine-based-immunity-last/

And related stuff about the wave some countries are experiencing now.

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/11/20/covid-the-surprising-fourth-wave/

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[BobLawblaw]

COVID-19 vaccines seem to be significantly protecting the infected from going through living hell while having it, and also from suffering permanent health damage after surviving it.

Honestly, I'm more interested in permanent damage caused by the "vaccine" than I am about unvaccinated folk contracting COVID.

For all the "vaccinated" people that end up catching COVID, well, that's another group I am fearful of, mostly because humanity has never been inoculated during an active outbreak in this fashion before, using experimental gene therapy techniques.

It's arguable "vaccinated" folk are likely drivers of these swift mutations we are witnessing.

[OutOfMemory]

When you look at the age distribution of fatal outcomes and hospitalization, it would make some sense to vaccinate people aged 50+
On the other hand, for the younger population you would actually want to spread SARS-CoV-2, because avoiding to do so would just generate greater chance for escape variants.
The spreading happens 99% through viruses replicating at high rates in mucous membranes of the nose, mouth and throat. Once you got infected, the immune system is producing antibodies in these locations, which subsequently will reduce spreading of viruses after future infections (including variants) as well as symptoms and letting the virus get into organic tissues, where the immune system does more harm than good to your precious organs.
The "perfect" balance would be getting everybody infected naturally, but vaccinate the elderly and preconditioned to reduce fatal outcomes and bust whole healthcare systems.
As new variants emerge, which tend to be less harmful to the host for evolutionary success of the virus, vaccination agendas can be loosened up until the world's population can accept SARS-CoV-2 like "just another flu".
FINALLY

Everything else is unnaturally dumb, imo.

Uhm... yes, and panic is too.

[philipma1957]

Just to put things in perspective:

My first cousin — Deeply religious, anti-vaxxer, unvaccinated.
Her brother (and my first cousin) — Deeply religious, anti-vaxxer, unvaccinated.
Her husband — Atheist, pro-vaxxer, vaccinated (Pfizer).
Her father (my uncle) — Very old, not allowed to get vaccinated by his son and daughter.

• Father has a stroke (about 2 weeks ago). Goes to hospital. Gets stabilized, condition improves.
• Daughter gets infected with COVID-19 from infected patient inside the hospital.
• Daughter infects father.
• Daughter infects husband.
• Father goes to intensive care unit and dies a few days later of COVID-19 complications (in the lungs).
• Daughter and husband are currently isolated at home.
• Daughter (unvaccinated) is suffering from severe symptoms (high fever, breathing problems, severe coughing).
• Daughter is constantly crying and wants to end her life, for not protecting her father.
• Daughter admits it was wrong not to trust vaccines, and urges friends and colleagues to get vaccinated ASAP.
• Husband (vaccinated), has no symptoms at all, and is in fact enjoying his sick-leave.

Does someone close to us have to die, in order to realize the seriousness of the situation?
Does it have to happen to someone we know and love?
Just think about it for a minute.

Real case, happening to some of my dearest relatives.
My 2 sats worth. Take it as you will.

Basically pretty much what happened to my wife's family.

Most of us went to a party Nov 2019 over 100 people 30 that came from Italy to USA for the Party.

50 people got it. Everyone survived. But 4 in hospitals for weeks one on a ventilator for 28 days.

My wife had 2 visits to hospital in 2020. So now we are in 2021 many of those 100 are religious and choose not to vax. So finally 1 cousin got it second time Delta version and she is dead.

 So yeah it is real and it kills. When my wife was in the hospital in New Jersey in Jan 2020 the hospital had 210 of 280 beds with flu-like pneumonia . Nurse were coughing and told us they never saw this many people in for lung /flu issues.

 My wife could not clear her fever from Jan 1 to March 10 2020 it would reoccur and she had a heartbeat of 110-120 vs 75.  Found a cowboy doctor she gave my wife Valtrex an antiviral for shingles boom fever gone and never came back.




The best death rate in USA is in Vermont.  A very gay state with a lot of people with aids. They take an anti viral .

So why don't we here more about antiviral treatment. Vs vaccines.

Top two states are the 2 gayest states and take the most aids meds  and they have best death rate.

 651 per million Vermont
 719 per million Hawaii

So why isn't making anti viral a top priority vs vaxxing?

chart was pull from link I choose list by death rate.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/






1   Vermont   48,120      406      39,420   8,294   77,117____651 ----   2,524,389   4,045,567   623,989   [1]    [projections]
2   Hawaii   87,514      1,018      N/A   N/A....   61,809_____719-----   2,715,043   1,917,577   1,415,872   [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]    [projections]




3   Maine   118,489      1,303      N/A   N/A   88,148   969   3,798,791   2,826,036   1,344,212   [1] [2]    [projections]
4   Utah   592,130      3,487      556,649   31,994   184,697   1,088   7,195,916   2,244,545   3,205,958   [1] [2] [3]    [projections]
5   Alaska   144,073      840      106,848   36,385   196,943   1,148   3,502,446   4,787,738   731,545   [1]    [projections]
6   Oregon   387,485      5,116      338,607   43,762   91,870   1,213   7,999,746   1,896,692   4,217,737   [1] [2] [3]    [projections]
7   Washington   771,525      9,261      326,725   435,539   101,318   1,216   9,842,443   1,292,525   7,614,893   [view by county] [1]    [projections]
8   New Hampshire   155,711      1,683      145,980   8,048   114,518   1,238   3,475,788   2,556,270   1,359,711   [1] [2] [3]    [projections]
9   Nebraska   305,358      3,132      N/A   N/A   157,856   1,619   4,145,406   2,142,984   1,934,408   [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]    [projections]
10   Colorado   821,859      9,391      604,071   208,397   142,715   1,631   13,021,596   2,261,190   5,758,736   [1] [2]    [projections]
11   Minnesota   885,156      9,462      851,607   24,087   156,953   1,678   14,719,856   2,610,074   5,639,632   [1] [2] [3]    [projections]
12   District Of Columbia   66,510      1,196      N/A   N/A   94,240   1,695   2,378,887   3,370,727   705,749   [1] [2]

[Torque]

So why don't we here more about antiviral treatment. Vs vaccines.

Isn't it obvious?

Because antiviral is cheap (in some parts of the world, nearly free), excellent safety track record, and highly effective against CV19.

This was never about health. It's about money.

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad-spectrum antiparasitic agent with demonstrated antiviral activity against a number of DNA and RNA viruses, including severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

[philipma1957]

So why don't we here more about antiviral treatment. Vs vaccines.

Isn't it obvious?

Because antiviral is cheap (in some parts of the world, nearly free), excellent safety track record, and highly effective against CV19.

This was never about health. It's about money.

Ivermectin is an FDA-approved broad-spectrum antiparasitic agent with demonstrated antiviral activity against a number of DNA and RNA viruses, including severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

Actually I hope you are correct. My fear is this is a way to mark people.

Ie most modern countries now have a list of vaxer and antivaxer

Much like other data bases here in the USA

so say 200 million over 18 could get a vax
and say 140 million did vax.
with 60 million not vaxing.

you are now on the list one way or the other.
that list is being kept.

My greatest fear is what is going to be done with that piece of info.

If I were a supervillain I now know all the resisters (ie anti vaxers) so as a supervillian I know the name of everyone that choose to resist.

Most supervillians do not like resisters  so I fear for all those that choose not to vax.

Now a new variant a new booster shot.

and down the road covid -25 comes out and it is the real deal 30% death rate for the resisting anti vaxers.

I would be willing to bet more anti vaxers own guns more pro vaxers do not own guns. another reason to waste anti vaxers.  Sad but true I have relatives and friends that are antivaxers most think people in charge will respecting them for having the balls to stand up to the "man"

Frankly I think people in charge fear the resisters and are planning to kill them bigly.

Mind you I am 64 not likely to live more than 30 years into the future. So I may not live to see this all implode.

I only hope that this is not a plan to kill 20 or 30 million resisters here in the USA.

Good luck to all.

[OutOfMemory]

Opposing to reports from the discoverer of "Omicron" in SA, hospitality rate climbed a 330% within the last two weeks.
Mild symptoms?
Curious about findings and developments of the next two weeks...
Death rate of >= 5% in my age group would be a clear "yes" in regards of vaccination, for me, whatever the variant and whenever it will spread.

Interesting times.

[vapourminer]

Now a new variant a new booster shot.

the booster shot is just a firmware update for the 5g nanobots

pretty forward thinking actually, make that mind control tech last.

[philipma1957]

Now a new variant a new booster shot.

the booster shot is just a firmware update for the 5g nanobots

pretty forward thinking actually, make that mind control tech last.

Well no matter which side you stand on the longer it stretches out the more concerned you get.

If I were 25 I would kind of feel future fucked to s9me degree 📜.

At 64 and having had a decent amount of “fun” years I guess I am more or less yeah at least I got to do whatever and have some real fun.

Its funny all my kids died via miscarriages It was very painful to lose them without ever really having them.  Now that the world 🌎 likes very weird and somewhat on the verge of wholly fucking shit , not having those kids or grandkids is somewhat less painful.

I only hope it settles in to a calmer less fucked up world for all of us.

[BobLawblaw]

I feel it's necessary to re-post from WO.

I don't like how we're getting "testy" and "aggro" with each other here over our ideological differences to the C19 response.

This is always going to happen with any major novel global issue, and don't like that we're developing low level bad blood for each other.

We post in WO for the fun and love of corn.

This thread, while useful in removing clutter from WO, is kinda bumming me out - I understand we're always going to have our differences, but I don't need to read about them or intake them - which is why I enjoy my curated Twitter experience so much.

Anyway, I just don't want to lose sight of us HODLers being generally and genuinely friendly towards each other in WO - along with the witty banter and socio-political snickering all in good fun.

This thread is kinda a huge holding ground for negative energy IMO.

Will still be moderating as needed if shit gets out of hand, but am going to effectively bow out of any further material contribution to this thread.

Peace out. Good luck everyone. Let's hope we all survive this bullshit.

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In any case, I won't be visiting the COVID-19 thread much

... and to be clear, I only - angrily - chose to create that thread and moderate it for the sake of sanity of this thread.

I don't like that we're being split along ideological differences, when at the core of it, we're all fruity degen WO'ers.

Let us not lose sight of the fun of why we are here in this thread.

I do not enjoy becoming "Aggro Bob" in the C19 thread, when I post content that runs counter to some narratives.

NGL. I hate this stupid space rock right now.

Human civilization and society is moving backwards in its development, IMO, since C19 stepped onto the playing field.

[OutOfMemory]

Just had a little time travel to 1987 and what scares me the most is the way they tried to solve the "AIDS crisis" exactly like they try to solve the "Covid19 crisis".
"ICU treatment is getting too expensive to take care of AIDS patients"
"AIDS victims should be taken care of in special 'health camps'"
"People that are likely 'vulnerable to HIV infections' and refuse testing should be forced to test by the police or get deported if still not willing to cooperate"

I guess if there was an HIV/AIDS vaccine available (Immuno tried hard back then, but failed) we would have all gotten mass-vaccinated already.

[Torque]

Just had a little time travel to 1987 and what scares me the most is the way they tried to solve the "AIDS crisis" exactly like they try to solve the "Covid19 crisis".
"ICU treatment is getting too expensive to take care of AIDS patients"
"AIDS victims should be taken care of in special 'health camps'"
"People that are likely 'vulnerable to HIV infections' and refuse testing should be forced to test by the police or get deported if still not willing to cooperate"

I guess if there was an HIV/AIDS vaccine available (Immuno tried hard back then, but failed) we would have all gotten mass-vaccinated already.

You're not just imagining the similarities, Dr. Fauci was also behind the AIDS scare as well in order to profit from it (what a shock!). This book, written by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and extremely well-researched and cited, talks about that very subject:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1510766804/?coliid=I17Q5YD6QY7FQZ&colid=O3OOTFJHUW5U&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

The Real Anthony Fauci reveals how “America’s Doctor” launched his career during the early AIDS crisis by partnering with pharmaceutical companies to sabotage safe and effective off-patent therapeutic treatments for AIDS. Fauci orchestrated fraudulent studies, and then pressured US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulators into approving a deadly chemotherapy treatment he had good reason to know was worthless against AIDS. Fauci repeatedly violated federal laws to allow his Pharma partners to use impoverished and dark-skinned children as lab rats in deadly experiments with toxic AIDS and cancer chemotherapies.

Gee, sound familiar? Fauci using the exact same playbook for Covid.

[OutOfMemory]

Just had a little time travel to 1987 and what scares me the most is the way they tried to solve the "AIDS crisis" exactly like they try to solve the "Covid19 crisis".
"ICU treatment is getting too expensive to take care of AIDS patients"
"AIDS victims should be taken care of in special 'health camps'"
"People that are likely 'vulnerable to HIV infections' and refuse testing should be forced to test by the police or get deported if still not willing to cooperate"

I guess if there was an HIV/AIDS vaccine available (Immuno tried hard back then, but failed) we would have all gotten mass-vaccinated already.

You're not just imagining the similarities, Dr. Fauci was also behind the AIDS scare as well in order to profit from it (what a shock!). This book, written by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and extremely well-researched and cited, talks about that very subject:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1510766804/?coliid=I17Q5YD6QY7FQZ&colid=O3OOTFJHUW5U&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

The Real Anthony Fauci reveals how “America’s Doctor” launched his career during the early AIDS crisis by partnering with pharmaceutical companies to sabotage safe and effective off-patent therapeutic treatments for AIDS. Fauci orchestrated fraudulent studies, and then pressured US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulators into approving a deadly chemotherapy treatment he had good reason to know was worthless against AIDS. Fauci repeatedly violated federal laws to allow his Pharma partners to use impoverished and dark-skinned children as lab rats in deadly experiments with toxic AIDS and cancer chemotherapies.

Gee, sound familiar? Fauci using the exact same playbook for Covid.

Interesting, indeed. The statements i was referring to were made by german politicians, though.
But germany has a long history of political consonance with the US, too.
It's also interesting that it is Austria and Germany again, for the first time in Europe pushing for mandatory vaccination and "lockdown for the unvaccinated".
Van der Leyen (EU) also chimed in recently.
It's not clear to me if they really believe to be able to "end the pandemic" with mass vaccination (as claimed) or if it's some other, more realistic agenda they are following...

[Torque]

vAccINes ToTaLLy SaFU


https://twitter.com/iMadgen01/status/1467245175864840196




ALsO SaFU fOr 5 YeAr OLds

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1890705

[OutOfMemory]

But, but, but... it's much more likely to suffer a stroke or pericarditis triggered by SARS-CoV-2, they say.
The risk of health damage is much less when taking the mRNA vaxx, compared to Covid19, they say.

EDIT: My neighbor just had Covid. She had four days of light back pain. Had to stay another six days in quarantine, feeling totally fine, looking good (she always does, though).

[JayJuanGee]

looking good (she always does, though).

You pervert.

[OutOfMemory]

looking good (she always does, though).

You pervert.

Relax  
Hey, just because i think she's looking good doesn't mean i want to fuck her  
At about half of my age, she's also too young for my taste

[KrispyKrypto]

I'm pretty fucking blackpilled (pardon the pun), but I can't go so far as to think they are legitimately putting microchip stuff in this gene therapy experiment.

This was too rushed across the board, with too many variables in play, across too many manufacturers, for it to be a mass-deployed operation, and be of any use to any group.

I'll humor the thought of maybe a couple select test batches may have had some chipped stuff for further experimentation, but with a small controlled test population as part of a larger testing effort for microchipping - part of a wider conspiracy?

Having gained natural immunity already, I recognize I'm a strange mutant wandering this wasteland, now.

Im glad to see some people on this forum who are not anti vax extremist. Although I don't like government and know that they do not have my best interests in mind, I don't think that they're chipping us.

[vapourminer]

[vaccine shots] this gene therapy experiment.

turns out the new covid pill merck came up with may be worse than a mRNA vaccine shot. as the pill actually does cause mutations to RNA (which the mRNA vaccine shot does not afaik)

but hey what do i know im no genius im just another stranger in a strange land wandering through.

anyway read up and see what ya think.

https://www.science.org/content/article/prominent-virologist-warns-covid-19-pill-could-unleash-dangerous-mutants-others-see-little-cause-alarm

The drug’s [pills] ability to mutate RNA has raised persistent fears that it could induce mutations in a patient’s own genetic material, possibly causing cancer or birth defects; studies so far have not borne out those fears.

again this is mercks new pill, not the shots. (ive has 3 pfizer shots myself)

[goldkingcoiner]

I am no antivaxxer but this is getting ridiculous!

Lets look at the numbers and some examples:

Almost 90% of the population in Singapore is/was vaxxed, and yet their 4th wave was almost 4x higher than the first. Same with other countries, high vax rate, yet still can't get rid of covid. Where is the so-called herd immunity? I have a feeling the vaccination isn't as effective as we were meant to believe. What the numbers are showing me is that Corona is here to stay, possibly forever. We can't stop people getting sick and spreading it.

As to the argument that the vaccine lowers the risk of you dying, yes thats true. And yet 25-30% of intensive care Corona patients are vaxxed. WTF. Thats waaay too high a number for an "effective vaccine".

In Germany: Out of 102k Corona deaths and over 6 million infections since the last 2 years, only 1418 of those deaths are from individuals who are 49 years old or younger.

Im just looking at the numbers here. The worst thing about Corona has been old people keeling over and dying a few weeks earlier than they normally would have and hospitals not being able to handle all the old people dying.

I don't know about you guys but I don't want to get a new booster shot every 6 months for the rest of my life, especially because I am young and healthy.