There isn’t a poker room you could win at ?

[MrcMrc]

I don't think luck have any place in poker most especially when playing against the house because the system is set to favor the house that is why we have the house edge. But again once you can discipline your self and take the rich stance you may win to some extent before the house have it ways.

[Betwrong]

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When i start the game, i forgot the money, i`ve bet. If i win - it will be nice bonus for fun, if i loose - it will not become a problem. And when someone decides to use poker for moneymaking - he must remember that he can be the best player in the world, but without good cards even he can loose. This is not chess game, there is some moments, when you need just luck.

Yeah but ... I mean, that's what I'm saying always too, but according to the opinion of the vast majority of poker players, including professionals, poker is absolutely a game of skill in the long run. A good poker player can lose in a short term to a very weak one, but after 20-30 games(tournaments) he/she will surely be the winner altogether. Idk, are there exceptions? Can you name some?

[Silberman]

Exactly, poker is a zero sum game, if we want to earn money then someone else at our table needs to lose money, if everyone is a good player and we have a similar level of skill then over the long term the players are just bouncing money around and no one earns anything except for the house with their rake, this means that new players or players with low skill are needed but if their number is low then sooner or later they will give up and you will be back at having the problem of only playing against skilled players, so what is needed is for poker with cryptocurrencies to become way more popular so the influx of new players is constant.

You are talking about players that playing for money. For some of them playing poker is a work. But there are lot of players, that playing for fun. They brings some money just to lose it. It is not a problem for them, they pay for getting fun. And they are playing just occasionally. They giving money for rake and pro players.

Not entirely, more broadly I am talking about skill levels, even if you do not consider yourself a professional and you are fine with losing some money at the casino it is completely natural to still want to win, and if your level is high enough so it matches the rest of the people on the table over the long term you will lose money due to the rake and not the skill of the other players, this scenario happens regardless of whether you are a professional or not and it is entirely dependent on the skill level you happen to have.

[mak013]

When i start the game, i forgot the money, i`ve bet. If i win - it will be nice bonus for fun, if i loose - it will not become a problem. And when someone decides to use poker for moneymaking - he must remember that he can be the best player in the world, but without good cards even he can loose. This is not chess game, there is some moments, when you need just luck.

In poker, there are many crucial moments... so I agree that some hands are all about luck, especially when you go all-in before flop! Even two aces can fall easily, and that happens often, I can't count how many all-ins I have lost with two aces in my hand against lower pair, even vs low cards!
What makes a good poker player is the ability to play with good and bad cards! To be patient, and to wait for better cards... to make a bold move in some moments and bluff, the only way to keep your bankroll from melting down!

Certainly, a good player playing better with bad cards then a bad player. He can wait, he can bluff, he can buy-in(if it possible). But sometimes he has not enough time to wait, and if opponent skill is not really low - the opponent will not give much chances to win.

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Yeah but ... I mean, that's what I'm saying always too, but according to the opinion of the vast majority of poker players, including professionals, poker is absolutely a game of skill in the long run. A good poker player can lose in a short term to a very weak one, but after 20-30 games(tournaments) he/she will surely be the winner altogether. Idk, are there exceptions? Can you name some?

That`s why they are called "good players" They can loose sometimes if the opponent skill low, they can loose if their skill are about equal but mostly they win.

[Poker Player]

I hadn't seen this thread because I have the OP on ignore, but I saw it now because I wasn't logged in.

The OP is just a troll in general, but more specifically in this case because no poker player wins every time, not even the best in the world.

What good poker players do is minimize losses when they have losing hands/strings and maximize wins when they have winning hands/strings.

[mak013]

Exactly, poker is a zero sum game, if we want to earn money then someone else at our table needs to lose money, if everyone is a good player and we have a similar level of skill then over the long term the players are just bouncing money around and no one earns anything except for the house with their rake, this means that new players or players with low skill are needed but if their number is low then sooner or later they will give up and you will be back at having the problem of only playing against skilled players, so what is needed is for poker with cryptocurrencies to become way more popular so the influx of new players is constant.

You are talking about players that playing for money. For some of them playing poker is a work. But there are lot of players, that playing for fun. They brings some money just to lose it. It is not a problem for them, they pay for getting fun. And they are playing just occasionally. They giving money for rake and pro players.

Not entirely, more broadly I am talking about skill levels, even if you do not consider yourself a professional and you are fine with losing some money at the casino it is completely natural to still want to win, and if your level is high enough so it matches the rest of the people on the table over the long term you will lose money due to the rake and not the skill of the other players, this scenario happens regardless of whether you are a professional or not and it is entirely dependent on the skill level you happen to have.

Yes, it is so. But you always pay for services. Any casino, online or offline, provides you a service and have some bills they have to pay. They have some men that have to pay to their work. I think that it is normal if someone get money for his work. In this situation - this is rake that casino gets for it services.

[Betwrong]

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Yeah but ... I mean, that's what I'm saying always too, but according to the opinion of the vast majority of poker players, including professionals, poker is absolutely a game of skill in the long run. A good poker player can lose in a short term to a very weak one, but after 20-30 games(tournaments) he/she will surely be the winner altogether. Idk, are there exceptions? Can you name some?

That`s why they are called "good players" They can loose sometimes if the opponent skill low, they can loose if their skill are about equal but mostly they win.

Agreed. So, no exceptions then. Good players always win in the long run. The only problem here for pro poker players is that they can encounter equally good players in high level tournaments. And they do, actually, all the time. And when great players meet each other at the table, it's not their skill, but rather it's luck what affects the outcome the most. Knowing this fact, an amazing poker player Liv Boeree quit professional poker in 2019, after winning around $4 million in live tournaments.

[Reatim]

The op have not updated the thread since it creation over a week ago, but looking for a poker room is quit unusual to me because no play win all the time. The house will sometimes win the player.

Don't worry OP is a bully and look at His trust score you can find how not credible all of His posts specially thread that created by Him so let Him be not active as it is favor for the whole forum lol.

I don't think luck have any place in poker most especially when playing against the house because the system is set to favor the house that is why we have the house edge. But again once you can discipline your self and take the rich stance you may win to some extent before the house have it ways.

the probability of the Gambling site will attest that you are wrong , not unless scam or cheating site in which you will never win.

[mak013]

That`s why they are called "good players" They can loose sometimes if the opponent skill low, they can loose if their skill are about equal but mostly they win.

Agreed. So, no exceptions then. Good players always win in the long run. The only problem here for pro poker players is that they can encounter equally good players in high level tournaments. And they do, actually, all the time. And when great players meet each other at the table, it's not their skill, but rather it's luck what affects the outcome the most. Knowing this fact, an amazing poker player Liv Boeree quit professional poker in 2019, after winning around $4 million in live tournaments.

There is one more problem i think - money. If a "good player" playing for guaranteed win - he plays with low skilled players that mostly play with little bets and don`t want to loose big money. In this situation a "good player" spent too much time for wining too small money. And playing in the tournament with good money he is playing against the same "good players" without guarantee to win.

[Lakai01]

The op have not updated the thread since it creation over a week ago, but looking for a poker room is quit unusual to me because no play win all the time. The house will sometimes win the player.

Small correction:
In the long run, the casino always wins through the House Edge. If this did not exist, the casino would be bankrupt in no time. Some games, of course, are less dependent on luck. Especially in slot and dice games, you can see the effects of the house edge relatively quickly.

[Betwrong]

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There is one more problem i think - money. If a "good player" playing for guaranteed win - he plays with low skilled players that mostly play with little bets and don`t want to loose big money.

What about tournaments? There's a buy-in which you have to pay whether you want it or not. I agree with you regarding cash games though.

In this situation a "good player" spent too much time for wining too small money. And playing in the tournament with good money he is playing against the same "good players" without guarantee to win.

Your win is never guaranteed, ever, you know this, right?   As of what poker player can be called a "good player" there's no consensus on this matter, but imo a good player is someone who can outplay most of the great players from the past, because they were not evolving during the past years, and thus have got their strategies outdated.

[mak013]

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There is one more problem i think - money. If a "good player" playing for guaranteed win - he plays with low skilled players that mostly play with little bets and don`t want to loose big money.

What about tournaments? There's a buy-in which you have to pay whether you want it or not. I agree with you regarding cash games though.

Yes, tournaments mostly brings more money, and you can choose your level with choosing buy-in size. But the same time leveling-up profit level, your opponents skills growing up too. Not always, but mostly.

In this situation a "good player" spent too much time for wining too small money. And playing in the tournament with good money he is playing against the same "good players" without guarantee to win.

Your win is never guaranteed, ever, you know this, right?   As of what poker player can be called a "good player" there's no consensus on this matter, but imo a good player is someone who can outplay most of the great players from the past, because they were not evolving during the past years, and thus have got their strategies outdated.

Of course you have no guarantee playing poker. But when skill level really differs - more skilled player have the great chance to win.
Outdated strategy may be interesting if the new player don`t know it. But i can`t say how true is it. I have to google some such games/tournaments firstly.

[btc78]

I don't think luck have any place in poker most especially when playing against the house because the system is set to favor the house that is why we have the house edge. But again once you can discipline your self and take the rich stance you may win to some extent before the house have it ways.

This is why most of experienced gamblers is always looking for how Probably fair the casino is and this is also mostly the reason why newly opened gamblers are being questioned .
because in any way it is the probably fair that is important for all gambler and so your issue will never be experienced .

[Betwrong]

~What about tournaments? There's a buy-in which you have to pay whether you want it or not. I agree with you regarding cash games though.

Yes, tournaments mostly brings more money, and you can choose your level with choosing buy-in size. But the same time leveling-up profit level, your opponents skills growing up too. Not always, but mostly.

With this I disagree because there are tens of millions people in the world playing poker online, and most of them do not develop new strategies, or learn them from the contemporary best poker players. It's not that they are lazy or something, they just don't have time for that, having other more important things to do. And you can always find such people in online tournaments, and outplay them. At least that's my theory. "Don't Try This at Home!", as they say.

[Maslate]

~What about tournaments? There's a buy-in which you have to pay whether you want it or not. I agree with you regarding cash games though.

Yes, tournaments mostly brings more money, and you can choose your level with choosing buy-in size. But the same time leveling-up profit level, your opponents skills growing up too. Not always, but mostly.

With this I disagree because there are tens of millions people in the world playing poker online, and most of them do not develop new strategies, or learn them from the contemporary best poker players. It's not that they are lazy or something, they just don't have time for that, having other more important things to do. And you can always find such people in online tournaments, and outplay them. At least that's my theory. "Don't Try This at Home!", as they say.

Those who really put effort to develop their skills will likely succeed as a poker player, however, you gotta risk something in doing that as focus requires time and effort and you might have to sacrifice other things just to be focus in poker games, and the worst part is if you lose in the end as although you are so focus, it doesn't automatically mean you'll succeed.

[Poker Player]

~What about tournaments? There's a buy-in which you have to pay whether you want it or not. I agree with you regarding cash games though.

Yes, tournaments mostly brings more money, and you can choose your level with choosing buy-in size. But the same time leveling-up profit level, your opponents skills growing up too. Not always, but mostly.

With this I disagree because there are tens of millions people in the world playing poker online, and most of them do not develop new strategies, or learn them from the contemporary best poker players. It's not that they are lazy or something, they just don't have time for that, having other more important things to do. And you can always find such people in online tournaments, and outplay them. At least that's my theory. "Don't Try This at Home!", as they say.

Well, what you say is more incorrect today than ever in history. On the one hand you are right that most players are losers. They lose money in poker in the long run just like those who lose money in casino games. They don't bother to study and improve or they do very little.

However, about a decade ago, with the proliferation of online poker schools and all the material that can be found on the net, the percentage of players who study and improve has gone up a lot, and that has led to a tightening of the levels.

You are also right that most of those players can be found in online tournaments, because the luck factor is more important than, say, at 9 cash limit tables.

[mak013]

~What about tournaments? There's a buy-in which you have to pay whether you want it or not. I agree with you regarding cash games though.

Yes, tournaments mostly brings more money, and you can choose your level with choosing buy-in size. But the same time leveling-up profit level, your opponents skills growing up too. Not always, but mostly.

With this I disagree because there are tens of millions people in the world playing poker online, and most of them do not develop new strategies, or learn them from the contemporary best poker players. It's not that they are lazy or something, they just don't have time for that, having other more important things to do. And you can always find such people in online tournaments, and outplay them. At least that's my theory. "Don't Try This at Home!", as they say.

I agree that most of these players losing their money, but the same time these players don`t ready to lose much money and you can choose your skill by choosing tournaments by buy-in size. Of course it don`t give you any guarantee but the chance to find skilled players are higher the bigger the buy-in.

[fiulpro]

I do not understand why you would put your post so short, then continue to make statements like these. First of all the house always wins, this is simple. Players can loose ofcourse, they can win as well, but I don't think that there is any player who can always win at the end of the day. Poker is a game of luck and of course skills. Even if a person has amazing skills, he can still have the worst luck.

You might have days where you would loose as well, it not always a win win situation. But there appears to be players with a nice consistent strategy who can win most of their games.

Its a bit awkward statement that you always win ,because the poker like other types of gambling are not made for a person to be winning but its moreover invented to accumulate other peoples' money.Especially in poker if you wanna win more often (always is impossible) its good that you have additional information and knowledge and certain preparation. Of course theres the big "IF" which is luck.Dont forget that too.

Exactly no one always wins. If that's the case with you idk you might be blessed with luck and you need to use it as much as you can for the moment because it might live short, as short as your statement explaining your whole topic.

[Betwrong]

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Well, what you say is more incorrect today than ever in history. On the one hand you are right that most players are losers. They lose money in poker in the long run just like those who lose money in casino games. They don't bother to study and improve or they do very little.

However, about a decade ago, with the proliferation of online poker schools and all the material that can be found on the net, the percentage of players who study and improve has gone up a lot, and that has led to a tightening of the levels.

You are also right that most of those players can be found in online tournaments, because the luck factor is more important than, say, at 9 cash limit tables.

So, am I right or wrong? Because after reading your reply, 2 times, I am still not sure about your opinion on that post of mine. Why does your opinion matter to me is because I see that you are a quality poster, and also that nick of yours, Poker Player, is delightful to my eyes because I love playing poker.

Regarding online poker schools, I just have an opinion that is different to yours. I think most of them are harmful, because they are teaching the old style that no longer works. Poker is a living thing, and it is evolving, it is not static. For example, look at how Daniel Negreanu was playing 10 years ago, and what he was teaching at the time, and how he plays today. Indeed he's a genius, because he has found the strength to abandon his old style and adapt to the new reality. ... Well, that's just my opinion, of course, but if it means something to you, I am a 2 times winner of the Bitcointalk Poker Series. (I know bragging is wrong, but I hope it's relevant, just this once. )

[mak013]

Regarding online poker schools, I just have an opinion that is different to yours. I think most of them are harmful, because they are teaching the old style that no longer works. Poker is a living thing, and it is evolving, it is not static. For example, look at how Daniel Negreanu was playing 10 years ago, and what he was teaching at the time, and how he plays today. Indeed he's a genius, because he has found the strength to abandon his old style and adapt to the new reality. ... Well, that's just my opinion, of course, but if it means something to you, I am a 2 times winner of the Bitcointalk Poker Series. (I know bragging is wrong, but I hope it's relevant, just this once. )

Just interesting for me. I`m playing soccer for more then 15 years and i see how it changes. I see how change boots, ball, training ground. It is the one side. On the other side - team work between players in different situations. And the rules changes too.
But when you playing poker - you playing with the same rules and same cards. Can it be so, that the old strategy will be better then new? Even because the new player don`t know about it?