this is probably a good initiative, cheaters should be separated and marked.
but why not make a translator green list as well? shouldn't they also be rewarded in some way for good work? I believe that would help managers and project owners when assigning jobs to someone.
I think there was even one such list, but it probably hasn't been updated for a long time.

First user that is going to get his terrible job exposed on this thread, I'm almost nervous!

User: lKSLMNSLKnkndlksnkJ

I first noticed this user on the spanish local altcoin ANN board since more than half of then ANNs had been posted by him. This is usually a yellow flag in my book, since I've first-hand experienced in the past how brain damaging these translation jobs can be (and in most cases, you wouldn't get paid and stopped working for similar ones). Upon a closer examination, my eyes started to bleed a bit; I'm going to quote a few gems that make me be sure this guy either doesn't know spanish at all, or is copy pasting on a machine translation tool without proofreading.

Example 1:

The highlighted ones go as follows:

1- The way this is worded makes no sense. If it the original said something similar to "rebought after burning", the translation should be something similar to "se recompra despues de haber sido quemado".
2- "Sostenerlos" means to literally hold something. Literally being physically.
3- There's articles missing and the choice of words is so poor it's not possible to grasp the meaning even by context.

Example 2:

This one is actually hilarious; the original text must have said "prize/reward pool", and the machine took the "pool" for its literal meaning: swimming pool

No person that knows spanish would make such a mistake, and even if I could go more in depth to explain why this is not done by a spanish speaking person, this particular pool one convinced it's impossible to manually do such a mistake...twice!

Edit: what the fuck, I just went to the guys' profile to give the negative feedback and much to my surprise the campaign manager has given him a positive for the translation (today!)... this is about to get funny

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Well, I got busy with some other stuff and couldn't post and now there are already 2 replies here, let me answer you gentlemen:

I haven't made a greenlist because there are already at least 2 that I'm aware of, whereas there was no blacklist as of yet.
List 1
List 2
I didn't want to make something that already exists, or make it look like I'm merit fishing by giving the impression I've spent time in doing something that is worthless. I really want to get rid of this kind of particular spammer.

I don't know if it's gonna work, but at least they won't be able to say they didn't know they were hiring a garbage doer. It may also serve as a reference post for the negative feedback that will come with the report

I'm more inclined to think it's the second case. However, I've pm'd him linking to this thread to see if he can reconsider said feedback. It's just a coincidence that both feedbacks have been given today, and honestly, I almost find it funny

While the initiative is great, I think that you're doing it wrong.

First of all, aside of the posts where these guys are exposed, their usernames have to be in a properly visible list in the start of the thread, else nobody will search.

I'd add even more: maybe put in the same topic a list of good translators and a list of bad translators. This way whoever is looking of a translator can see who should he prefer and who he should avoid.
So maybe a "supporting" topic, only with these lists, is the next step to be done.

Hello Everyone,

While I agree that there is a lot of spam on BTT, the amount of translation spam is minimal compared to the bulk of spam posted around other parts of the site.

I’ve been on Bitcointalk for almost 5 years.  I’ve been suspended a couple of times, but who hasn’t; we all need to learn, right?  Overall, I’ve been a good user with decent contributions.

I’ve carefully read this thread a couple of times, and this feels like a smear.  To me, it is a case of a couple of mistakes being blown out of proportion to cast me in a bad light by a user who is looking for merit points, despite stating to the contrary (this thread garnered the poster two new merit points.)

I translate as a husband-and-wife team.  The errors quoted in this thread above were made as updates to a thread and were not passed by my partner first.  I did this for expediency at the time.  That was my mistake, but to use this to start a new thread to expose translation spammers and put my name as the first entry over a couple of minor mistakes is so overblown, I don’t know what else to say except I am shocked and disappointed at the rush to judgement that can be found on this website in so many cases.

While I don’t doubt there are people who submit spam translations to BTT projects, blacklisting anyone for a couple of mistakes sounds more like a witch hunt when there is less of a need.  As Stedsm stated: “That's a great initiative started by you Csmiami, but do you really think bounty managers do care?”

Everyone makes mistakes now and then.  My point is, will you recognize this to be true among human beings and realize rushing to judgement and punishing people like that is counterproductive for the site?

Although, I am optimistic that you can, I do not hold out hope that anything will change here.  It sounds like judgement has already been passed and the rest is just semantics. 

I pray that I am wrong.

Kind Regards,
Mark

Hi Stedsm,

Thanks for chiming in.  I respect your opinion and I am in no way discouraged at the moment.

I've been involved in a couple of back and forths with veteran members and once an accusation is made against you, it is very difficult to get anyone to admit a mistake was made and reverse it.  Very difficult.  Almost like a peasant trying to convince the king.  Likely doesn't happen too often.

And while I respect someone taking the initiative to make a list to make it easier for bounty managers to choose translators, I was made an example of, somewhat conspicuously, over a couple of mistakes, and the poster did score points for it ultimately.

In this case, my opinion is the reaction to my work was excessive and tarnished my reputation on BTT.  That can't be undone unless my name is removed from this brand-new list and my trust score returned to the previous one.  And, I am also of the opinion this list is unnecessary.  For one thing, it is the project managers themselves (not the bounty managers) who ultimately pass judgement on people's work, and for another, any translation spam on the BTT threads is a drop of water compared to the tsunami of general spam across the rest of the site.

Sorry to rant, I am just passionate about my BTT account.

Kind Regards,
Mark

Thanks for taking such a step to separate those spammer who are not the perfect translators. It is hard for bounty manager as well as project owner to understand either the translator did the translation perfectly or used any blackhat method. For such a step it will be easier to avoid fake translators. It will be better if there is a list of good translators sothat bounty manager/project owner can find out the perfect translators.

Just to have a quick idea about these kind of users:

@pedrillo0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=715872
has left a retaliation negative trust to @Csmiami
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=903175
After he was caught producing fake translation in Spanish section (if you look post history ... and use than GT just few words are changed, it's pretty clear this user seems unable to speak correctly Spanish).
Plus it was pointed out as usually the same shit. No one that really can speak this language would translate in such way!
(loteria de mierda LOL

However I am not a spanish expert. I don't really care if he is able to talk or not.
Definitely I am an Italian expert YES

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but why no one has already left a negative trust for this SCAM?
https://web.archive.org/web/20211027205311/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3343158.msg34981734
It's just a fake airdrop/huge scam. I can't believe any hero member would advertise that s*it / don't delete / remove etc etc....


At this point (at least for me),
translations issue, it's just the "tip of the iceberg" .

Behind there are just criminals that are ready to make money in any possible way.

- fraud to project owners/ forum users that waste time
- promoting ponzi
- promoting fake airdrop/scam
- altaccount
- (there is a group of "translators" that has been involved also in a FAKE ICO !!!)
- altaccounts used for scam and other purpose

Check connections... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5365814.0
I am updating with new alts every other day (I don't want waste too much time since it seems just few users are really interested to "solve" this issue .... (

It's clear we should have 0 tolerance with this kind of user if we want to keep our community safe and a place that deserve our precious time.

For what I can see...He has several alt-account and at least with (1) wasubii he is actually evading ban account.

@sunce33
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1911429.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1911465.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1911421.0

https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1911429.msg18965034#msg18965034 (all links are archived)

it seems a kind of call center and not a skype account because the same account is used also by:

wasubii BANNED

safram

hellscabane

Accounts48h

iPhoneK1LLA
https://web.archive.org/save/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936312.msg19228670#msg19228670

(there is not difference with lower/upper cases in skype nickname.... )

Hi Stedsm,

Thanks for the kind words.  It's nice to hear a moderate voice on these boards.

I didn't want to reply to this thread anymore.  The point was made and taken, but the damage is done to the account.  Sadly though, I can't imagine it getting reversed, so I am ready to move on and do a better job in the future.

Thanks again and best of luck to all.

Kind Regards,
Mark