Self Moderated Thread for New Books

[brassnuts]

Hello,

I'm wondering if the subject of self moderated threads for brand new sites has been discussed on this board before? If so, can anyone point me to it or to some information about any conclusions that were reached?

The obvious problem with this system is that so many cryptocurrency betting sites are just scams. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Perhaps more than 50% are just straight up exit scams, waiting for the opportune time to anonymously jump ship.

Now, I have had an issue with 4444sport recently where they simply delete any attempt at communication from their 3rd thread in as many weeks. Effectively they can completely remove any legitimate complaints and have the appearance of a normal, fair book. They are no such thing, it is quite clear. Even more worrying is the fact that once all negativity is removed unsuspecting forum users may end up depositing on these type of websites and just pour their money down the drain, entirely enabled by the self moderated thread system here on this board.

This is an extraordinarily serious issue and should absolutely be looked at hastily.

I hope my point is clear and you understand how dangerous self moderated threads are, particularly for sites with limited history and reputation.

[hyudien]

Is this the thread you mean? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375271.0
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.

If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.

I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.

[acroman08]

yeah, it is a problem and worrying especially if they started deleting any complaints/issues being posted on their self moderated thread. and yeah, topics about self-moderated ANN threads have been discussed before and there's really nothing we can do about it other than create a separate thread discussing the issue(just like this one) that has been deleted on the self-moderated thread.

[brassnuts]

Is this the thread you mean? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375271.0
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.

If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.

I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.

Correct. That is the thread.

Their old thread has not a single post confirming a withdrawal, but multiple accusations of unfairly voided bets, and withdrawals not being processed.

With that being the case, it is utterly astonishing that they are allowed to just remove their old thread and continue with a new self moderated thread, all the while deleting any negative posts. This does not protect the players, quite the opposite.

[DarkStar_]

With that being the case, it is utterly astonishing that they are allowed to just remove their old thread and continue with a new self moderated thread, all the while deleting any negative posts. This does not protect the players, quite the opposite.

The objectives of Bitcointalk's rules were never to protect the players from bad sportsbooks (or even regular forum users from scammers) - scams are not moderated. The right way to deal with this is to make a Scam Accusation so that the community can leave them negative trust feedback and utilize the flag system in order to place a red warning banner above their thread. I'd recommend posting a scam accusation for your case and see how they deal with it.

[brassnuts]

The objectives of Bitcointalk's rules were never to protect the players from bad sportsbooks (or even regular forum users from scammers) - scams are not moderated. The right way to deal with this is to make a Scam Accusation so that the community can leave them negative trust feedback and utilize the flag system in order to place a red warning banner above their thread. I'd recommend posting a scam accusation for your case and see how they deal with it.

Thanks for the reply. I have left a post in 4444's new thread for now, and I will wait for a response from them. I imagine my post will just be deleted but I will have one last shot. If nothing comes from it then I will open up a scam accusation.

EDIT: My post in their thread was indeed promptly deleted, so I will start a scam accusation shortly. Here is what I posted in the 4444 thread:

Hi,

You need to open some communication with me in regards of the money i have on 4444 and the withdrawal you refuse to process, or even talk to me about.

I am open to being entirely cordial and diplomatic about this. I am not here to troll you, I am simply here to retrieve, at the very least, the funds that I deposited on your site.

I hope you can do the right thing and steer your company in a positive direction.

Please do not deposit on this site.

[nakamura12]

Please do not deposit on this site.

Did you get the funds withdrawn from that site or did not?. I think if you provide the proof that you deposited and won something like that and didn't get to withdraw your funds id enough to open a scam accusations. I have posted in their thread and see if it will be deleted or not since I am asking why their old thread is locked and in archival.

[FatFork]

The objectives of Bitcointalk's rules were never to protect the players from bad sportsbooks (or even regular forum users from scammers) - scams are not moderated. The right way to deal with this is to make a Scam Accusation so that the community can leave them negative trust feedback and utilize the flag system in order to place a red warning banner above their thread. I'd recommend posting a scam accusation for your case and see how they deal with it.

Thanks for the reply. I have left a post in 4444's new thread for now, and I will wait for a response from them. I imagine my post will just be deleted but I will have one last shot. If nothing comes from it then I will open up a scam accusation.

There will always be a way for you to refer to your deleted post as it will be archived in external archives. This forum is constantly scraped by at least two external services that archive even deleted posts and threads. The first is Loyce.club, and the second is Ninjastic.space, so for instance, your post will always be accessible here: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5861/58612368.html (or https://ninjastic.space/post/58612368)

Should your questions go unanswered again, I recommend opening a scam accusation against this casino in the appropriate board. Include all the relevant information and evidence there and refer to your legitimate questions in their self-moderated threads. The community members will flag their account when they find substantial evidence behind your accusation to serve as a warning to everyone.

[brassnuts]

Please do not deposit on this site.

Did you get the funds withdrawn from that site or did not?. I think if you provide the proof that you deposited and won something like that and didn't get to withdraw your funds id enough to open a scam accusations. I have posted in their thread and see if it will be deleted or not since I am asking why their old thread is locked and in archival.

No, I received nothing at all, nor have I received any communications from them. They have just taken my money, and since requesting a withdrawal they are doing everything they can to hide me. I would even go so far as to say I've been ultra polite to them. I have not been screaming in their thread etc. All I did was ask when my withdrawal would be processed, and what was taking so long. I was told 3 days ago they had to verify my bets, which gave me some hope, but since that time they have closed their threads and deleted anything I post in their new thread.

It's worrying that this behaviour is allowed to continue.

[brassnuts]

There will always be a way for you to refer to your deleted post as it will be archived in external archives. This forum is constantly scraped by at least two external services that archive even deleted posts and threads. The first is Loyce.club, and the second is Ninjastic.space, so for instance, your post will always be accessible here: https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5861/58612368.html (or https://ninjastic.space/post/58612368)

Should your questions go unanswered again, I recommend opening a scam accusation against this casino in the appropriate board. Include all the relevant information and evidence there and refer to your legitimate questions in their self-moderated threads. The community members will flag their account when they find substantial evidence behind your accusation to serve as a warning to everyone.

I will use those scrapes in my scam accusation thread. Thanks.

[DoublerHunter]

I will use those scrapes in my scam accusation thread. Thanks.

^ Is that you in their old thread having a claim about you did not withdraw your deposit?
And they insist that you are violating their TOS. IF that is so, just follow the suggestion above and make a thread on the scam accusation board but of course you should have valid proof of evidence towards them, no proof means it is an invalid accusation. Compile them all as your proof of accusation and DT members there will help you to flag them.

[brassnuts]

I will wait till my withdrawal request is 1 week old, which will be tomorrow night/monday morning and then open the scam thread. As someone else posted, they need to 'verify' my bets, so I am still clinging onto some hope. However, looking at how fast even the slightest negativity is being deleted from their self moderated thread I am extremely doubtful I will even receive my deposit back.

I still find it disturbing that this obviously nefarious site is allowed to continue here. Surely the option to not allow new books the option to self moderate would be extraordinarily easy to implement. This forum effectively facilitates scamming and it actually has the easy option to not facilitate scamming if it so wished but it chooses not to.

[Jawhead999]

When a new comer create self moderated thread and the @OP deleted all posts which he disagree, obviously it's suspicious. The thing is they didn't gave full explanation to you and there's no update until now. I feel like something is odd here, just take a look of their license.

Some corporate service providers will try and sell a Costa Rica Gaming License with a hefty price tag, but they aren’t being totally honest. While it is possible to set up an online gambling company in Costa Rica, any talk of a ‘license’ is misleading.

If you have create flag type 1, I will support it.

[brassnuts]

Some corporate service providers will try and sell a Costa Rica Gaming License with a hefty price tag, but they aren’t being totally honest. While it is possible to set up an online gambling company in Costa Rica, any talk of a ‘license’ is misleading.

If you have create flag type 1, I will support it.

Thanks. Yes I noticed the license issue straight away, so I knew I should never of even deposited in the first place. I can only blame myself.

[Wiwo]

Scam is not moderated on bitcointalk the forum is a decentralized forum and the players are left with the sole responsibility of protecting themselves from scams.
Once you don't violate the rules of the forum the sites are free to create a thread and self-mod it.

[Yogee]

14 comments deleted from 6 users as of this posting hehe. Their actions looked unprofessional but there's nothing you could do about it since it's also their right to have a moderated topic. You are also free to talk about them in a separate thread like you are doing now. Have you created a flag?

[panjul07]

Sorry to hear about your bad experience in the new site, yes it is really unfortunate to see the fact how they serve you as a player.
What they did is not professional at all, but I hope you'll get your money as soon as possible.
From now on, it is a warning to all members in this forum or to anyone who read this thread to avoid depositing in the site.
At least until they can prove that they are legit site and change their bad behavior to their own player.

[Eureka_07]

Hello,

I'm wondering if the subject of self moderated threads for brand new sites has been discussed on this board before? If so, can anyone point me to it or to some information about any conclusions that were reached?
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I hope my point is clear and you understand how dangerous self moderated threads are, particularly for sites with limited history and reputation.

Most self moderated threads specially here in Gambling section is very suspicious. If you are an owner of staff of a casino/other related business, you should not create a self moderated thread so the transparency is maximized. Most of those that has self moderated threads are scams and are hiding something from the community.

The site that you mentioned is new right? It is one of the reason why I do play and jump from one casino to another. I prefer playing on those that has really good reputation. Sorry for your lost. gl.

[dustboy]

14 comments deleted from 6 users as of this posting hehe. Their actions looked unprofessional but there's nothing you could do about it since it's also their right to have a moderated topic. You are also free to talk about them in a separate thread like you are doing now. Have you created a flag?

24 posts now including mine lmao, my post is suggesting them to act professionally in solving player's issue. I did not attack them, but seems 4444sports is managed by a sensitive kid who are not welcome to suggestion/opinion. How can they expect to gain interest from this community if they act like that?

In the archived thread, there is also someone who is waiting for his withdrawal like brassnuts but I cant see a confirmation about the withdrawal from the bookie or the player (younger41).

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Hello,

I'm wondering if the subject of self moderated threads for brand new sites has been discussed on this board before? If so, can anyone point me to it or to some information about any conclusions that were reached?

The obvious problem with this system is that so many cryptocurrency betting sites are just scams. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Perhaps more than 50% are just straight up exit scams, waiting for the opportune time to anonymously jump ship.

Now, I have had an issue with 4444sport recently where they simply delete any attempt at communication from their 3rd thread in as many weeks. Effectively they can completely remove any legitimate complaints and have the appearance of a normal, fair book. They are no such thing, it is quite clear. Even more worrying is the fact that once all negativity is removed unsuspecting forum users may end up depositing on these type of websites and just pour their money down the drain, entirely enabled by the self moderated thread system here on this board.

This is an extraordinarily serious issue and should absolutely be looked at hastily.

I hope my point is clear and you understand how dangerous self moderated threads are, particularly for sites with limited history and reputation.

If the bookmaker has doubts about any bets, he has the right to check them. A week of time is not yet a very long period of waiting for an answer. I understand your impatience, but spamming his thread is not the best behavior.
As for slef-moderated thread, this is not practiced, but I don't consider it a bad thing.