Self Moderated Thread for New Books

[Cryptock]

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

Indeed. Many other gambling sites here, whether it is a new or old gambling site, allow us to play gambling and we will not have a problem if we follow their rule. If they still use Self Moderated threads but do not change their habit, users can create a new thread to tell their problem so hopefully, that can attract the attention of the others and the casino itself would be aware of the problem. But that is only if the casino has good efforts to solve every player's problem.

The most important thing is that the casino has good intentions. If the casino is fair, it's no problem to have a self-moderated thread. However, in this case it may unfortunately be about silencing all those who will be submitting issues.

[btc78]

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

Indeed. Many other gambling sites here, whether it is a new or old gambling site, allow us to play gambling and we will not have a problem if we follow their rule. If they still use Self Moderated threads but do not change their habit, users can create a new thread to tell their problem so hopefully, that can attract the attention of the others and the casino itself would be aware of the problem. But that is only if the casino has good efforts to solve every player's problem.

The most important thing is that the casino has good intentions. If the casino is fair, it's no problem to have a self-moderated thread. However, in this case it may unfortunately be about silencing all those who will be submitting issues.

Why would a casino that has good intention created a Self moderated thread? give me a valid reason for what can be the reason?

if the casino is fair they need no Moderation in their thread because even their players will attest or stand for them and prove the accusations wrong .

the problem is those who are making their thread moderated because they cannot totally defend their position and that is why they wanted to delete posts that will go against them and that is why there are many of them that has this strategy and never do business with those, and besides why need when you can choose other site that has no total cases?

[bitterguy28]

There are too many posts deleted in that Gambling site and since they created a self moderated thread, i prevent my self from posting because i will going to question their capacity to answer questions and it looks like they have no power and that same reason why they wanna hide in self moderated thread.

[Cryptock]

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

Indeed. Many other gambling sites here, whether it is a new or old gambling site, allow us to play gambling and we will not have a problem if we follow their rule. If they still use Self Moderated threads but do not change their habit, users can create a new thread to tell their problem so hopefully, that can attract the attention of the others and the casino itself would be aware of the problem. But that is only if the casino has good efforts to solve every player's problem.

The most important thing is that the casino has good intentions. If the casino is fair, it's no problem to have a self-moderated thread. However, in this case it may unfortunately be about silencing all those who will be submitting issues.

Why would a casino that has good intention created a Self moderated thread? give me a valid reason for what can be the reason?

if the casino is fair they need no Moderation in their thread because even their players will attest or stand for them and prove the accusations wrong .

the problem is those who are making their thread moderated because they cannot totally defend their position and that is why they wanted to delete posts that will go against them and that is why there are many of them that has this strategy and never do business with those, and besides why need when you can choose other site that has no total cases?

The reason may be perfectly normal, just to keep the conversation in order and defend against attacks by forum trolls.
That's what such an option on this forum is for.
However, as I wrote, in this case everything indicates that the reason for creating a self-moderated thread is unfortunately completely different.

[mak013]

If you see self-moderated thread - this is mostly scam.

You cant generalize it, not all self moderated are bad or scam.
It depends on how the thread opener use it, sometime there are some trolling posts, FUD, or baseless accusation that need to be deleted so the self-moderated feature is good for this purpose.
In this case 4444sports do it very bad, they are abusing the feature of self moderated thread to delete posts as they wish.

You quoted just a part of my message. I agree, that not all self-moderated threads are the scam, it said even in quoted part of message. Sometimes this is wrong and we can find a thread, that self-moderated just fo keep it cleen.
And than there is another part of message, 

If you want to spent your time - read this thread, trying to find negative posts warning about scam. I`m sure - you willn`t find such posts, or 1-2 from newbie accounts.

that helps to understand is the thread is scam.

[goldkingcoiner]

There are too many posts deleted in that Gambling site and since they created a self moderated thread, i prevent my self from posting because i will going to question their capacity to answer questions and it looks like they have no power and that same reason why they wanna hide in self moderated thread.

Yeah, it would seem a lot of self-moderated threads are spawning grounds for petty scams and dubious schemes. I would keep away from such threads because there needs to be somebody or a group of somebodies who are trustworthy enough so that you can be certain you can trust them so you most likely won't lose your time and money. Some things look too good to be true and some things are very obviously risky at the get-go.

[michellee]

Never deal with a gambling site either sports or casino that has Self Moderated threads here , because they are using to be moderating the thread because of the attacks but if you are not hiding anything then sure they will just ignore those attacks and answer only legitimate questions.
this is an obvious wat of preventing issues arise against their site and this will end up hiding the reality .
just like the 444casino that has recently being question because they locked their old thred and create another one in which self moderated after some players has an issue about withdrawals.

Indeed. Many other gambling sites here, whether it is a new or old gambling site, allow us to play gambling and we will not have a problem if we follow their rule. If they still use Self Moderated threads but do not change their habit, users can create a new thread to tell their problem so hopefully, that can attract the attention of the others and the casino itself would be aware of the problem. But that is only if the casino has good efforts to solve every player's problem.

The most important thing is that the casino has good intentions. If the casino is fair, it's no problem to have a self-moderated thread. However, in this case it may unfortunately be about silencing all those who will be submitting issues.

As many others say, if the casino does that, it will look suspicious because they can delete any comments or complaints, especially if they have a problem. If the casino is fair, they do not have to be self-moderated instead, let it open and transparent to the public to know that they are trying to build trust. Moreover, the trust will be connected to the reputations of the casino shortly. If the casino is trying to figure out every problem that comes to them and fix it, people will see how they work hard to manage and help people.

[Jawhead999]

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.

4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.

brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.

4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.

4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.


Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

[TinaK]

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Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

That's such a loophole because they don't have an excuse, self-moderated thread as of now has been still recovered those replies and comments through Tryninja's website. It's completely nonsense that they created a self-moderated thread.

I saw this topic days ago and I didn't know if brassnuts was provided  solid proof or the 4444sport.com have a valid proof also that this brassnuts really violate the TOS. Self moderated thread should not be applied on the announcement thread, it should be transparent to the other either you have been accused or abused. The truth will always disclose with a valid proof of course.

[Bitinity]

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.
4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.
brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.
4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.
4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.

Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

This is an old school scenario from scammers, first they are delaying payment for verification then accusing the player did something against the ToS. It  is fine to check bets for further verification, but accusing players breaking the rules or cheating without any single proof is unacceptable practice. What 4444sports did by deleting posts is just another proof that they cant be trusted.

[rodskee]

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.

4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.

brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.

4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.

4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.


Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

What's new with that mate ,  They even hate when you post formal and good advise in their thread telling that it is Out of Topic when they clearly ask for community suggestion and opinion.
they are truly a scam site that pretend to be legit but in the end cases pointing to tehir attitude as a bad gambling site and not to be trusted.
and it is good that i did not even try to deposit when at first i almost fell when i created an account and find their site good to start .

[mak013]

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.

4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.

brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.

4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.

4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.


Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

What's new with that mate ,  They even hate when you post formal and good advise in their thread telling that it is Out of Topic when they clearly ask for community suggestion and opinion.
they are truly a scam site that pretend to be legit but in the end cases pointing to tehir attitude as a bad gambling site and not to be trusted.
and it is good that i did not even try to deposit when at first i almost fell when i created an account and find their site good to start .

As usual. If i see self-moderated thread - i even don`t try to read this. May be i will lose some opportunity, but my money will be safe.
In the 4444sport thread we see classic mistakes of the scam: self-moderated thread, removing negative posts.
In this situation the community help attracted attention to one more scam thread but i don`t think that it can help OP to return his money back. The best choice even not to try to win the cheater.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.

4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.

brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.

4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.

4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.


Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

This situation actually looks quite unfavorable for 4444sport. Unfortunately, not giving specific reasons or even evidence that the rules have been violated will also be a big problem for the bookmaker. If he does not change his policy, it is very likely that the community will have a similar opinion as about 1xbit.

[SmokerFace]

Is this the thread you mean? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375271.0
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.

If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.

I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.

I agree, but it's mandatory to have some research before making any deposit on any site. There are different blogs, websites, and expert opinions which can guide us that either making any deposit on any particular site would be safe or not? We can't blame any website for committing any fraud if we haven't completed our homework against it. However if still faces any of such fraud experiences. I would suggest you to post it in the fraud allegations thread, as this may help to protect many new users to become a fraud of those scam sites.

[Cryptock]

Is this the thread you mean? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375271.0
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.

If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.

I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.

I agree, but it's mandatory to have some research before making any deposit on any site. There are different blogs, websites, and expert opinions which can guide us that either making any deposit on any particular site would be safe or not? We can't blame any website for committing any fraud if we haven't completed our homework against it. However if still faces any of such fraud experiences. I would suggest you to post it in the fraud allegations thread, as this may help to protect many new users to become a fraud of those scam sites.

Of course, before giving your money to anyone, we should do a thorough research about who it is and whether it is trustworthy. However, in this case, the question is also whether creating a self moderated thread could be a sign that the casino has bad intentions. In my opinion, it is very likely in this case.

[mak013]

Is this the thread you mean? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5375271.0
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.

If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.

I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.

I agree, but it's mandatory to have some research before making any deposit on any site. There are different blogs, websites, and expert opinions which can guide us that either making any deposit on any particular site would be safe or not? We can't blame any website for committing any fraud if we haven't completed our homework against it. However if still faces any of such fraud experiences. I would suggest you to post it in the fraud allegations thread, as this may help to protect many new users to become a fraud of those scam sites.

I think that we will not see the fair decision in this situation. All we can do is just to stop other users. Just repeat to make research before depositing money, reading threads like this. In any promo thread we can see different posts, with problems too. Never everybody will be happy with any service. Someone always will fill himself cheated, and we can see the reaction of administration and their communication with such users.

[rodskee]

Here is the summary :

brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.

4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.

brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.

4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.

4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.


Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.

What's new with that mate ,  They even hate when you post formal and good advise in their thread telling that it is Out of Topic when they clearly ask for community suggestion and opinion.
they are truly a scam site that pretend to be legit but in the end cases pointing to tehir attitude as a bad gambling site and not to be trusted.
and it is good that i did not even try to deposit when at first i almost fell when i created an account and find their site good to start .

As usual. If i see self-moderated thread - i even don`t try to read this. May be i will lose some opportunity, but my money will be safe.
In the 4444sport thread we see classic mistakes of the scam: self-moderated thread, removing negative posts.
In this situation the community help attracted attention to one more scam thread but i don`t think that it can help OP to return his money back. The best choice even not to try to win the cheater.

it is the sites loses and not OP actually , they may have the amount that OP wins but they lose the whole community of Bitcointalk in which there are more opportunity of gaining players and many bettors on their part.
they are just letting the whole community to prevent from playing on their site and now they totally lose all those hopes because at first they are asking for 72 hours waiting but now it is more than a week yet there is no settlement happening so how can they still claim of not scamming when it is obvious shows what their intention is.

[mak013]

As usual. If i see self-moderated thread - i even don`t try to read this. May be i will lose some opportunity, but my money will be safe.
In the 4444sport thread we see classic mistakes of the scam: self-moderated thread, removing negative posts.
In this situation the community help attracted attention to one more scam thread but i don`t think that it can help OP to return his money back. The best choice even not to try to win the cheater.

it is the sites loses and not OP actually , they may have the amount that OP wins but they lose the whole community of Bitcointalk in which there are more opportunity of gaining players and many bettors on their part.
they are just letting the whole community to prevent from playing on their site and now they totally lose all those hopes because at first they are asking for 72 hours waiting but now it is more than a week yet there is no settlement happening so how can they still claim of not scamming when it is obvious shows what their intention is.

This is right, but there is a problem with self-moderated thread. When newbie search casino - he willn`t read this thread but will go to the cheaters thread. And in that thread he willn`t see negative post - they are deleting. Yes, they will lost community of experienced members, but they will get their money from newbies.

[btc78]

This is right, but there is a problem with self-moderated thread. When newbie search casino - he willn`t read this thread but will go to the cheaters thread. And in that thread he willn`t see negative post - they are deleting. Yes, they will lost community of experienced members, but they will get their money from newbies.

Indeed that is why we need to continue Bumping threads like this one to use as counter for those self moderated threads because the more they bump
their thread is the more opportunity of gaining victims.
and also i still tried to post in those Self Moderated threads but I will check the activity of the OP and when i check He is not Active in a certain time,
then that is the chance to put our warning posts at least will let newly entered accounts to be warned before OP woke up and delete my posts.
i don't care my post being deleted at least i did something small to help potential victims.

[mak013]

This is right, but there is a problem with self-moderated thread. When newbie search casino - he willn`t read this thread but will go to the cheaters thread. And in that thread he willn`t see negative post - they are deleting. Yes, they will lost community of experienced members, but they will get their money from newbies.

Indeed that is why we need to continue Bumping threads like this one to use as counter for those self moderated threads because the more they bump
their thread is the more opportunity of gaining victims.
and also i still tried to post in those Self Moderated threads but I will check the activity of the OP and when i check He is not Active in a certain time,
then that is the chance to put our warning posts at least will let newly entered accounts to be warned before OP woke up and delete my posts.
i don't care my post being deleted at least i did something small to help potential victims.

This is a nice strategy but it takes time to research. I can only applaud you for doing such research and spending your own time. I don`t ready for such kind of work. Just posting warning post and telling about self moderated threads is enough for me. I don`t ready to spend a big part of my own time to stop newbies that want to get easy money, just stopping posts.