Brasileirão 2022 - Brazilian Championship Serie A

[rdluffy]

This model could only be applied in large countries and with a significant number of clubs per region, otherwise it would become extremely unbalanced and without great spectacle.

I also have this idea, that Palmeiras, Flamengo and Atletico MG are the main candidates. But this is perhaps a vision of someone outside Brazil.

It's work for large country with a huge number of teams
As you guys know, Brazil have tons of teams, this is the country of soccer 
Just an example, here in my state, São Paulo, we have 84 professional teams registered and in activity, playing regular in Campeonato Paulista 

And your vision is right, in Brazil we have the same opinion, these 3 teams are the favorite to win Brasileirão.

You are welcome!

In my opinion the favorite is Palmeiras, followed by Flamengo and Corinthians. These are the most relevant clubs on the currently moment, not only nationally, but worldwide.

Next two games between Palmeiras and Sao Paulo for the Campeonato Paulista will be also important events in order to conclude if Sao Paulo can be considered well prepared for the season.

My team of heart os Corinthians, but it's sad to say we are not the favorite this time, we lost to Sao Paulo yesterday, and was clear that our team is very old, and they were tired, it's something to worry
If Vitor Pereira wants to finish the championship in a good position, and Libertadores, he needs to find good players under 25 years to find a balance

And I agree with you, Sao paulo vs Palmeiras will be a good match to see if Sao Paulo can fight for the title in this season

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[gagux123]

This model could only be applied in large countries and with a significant number of clubs per region, otherwise it would become extremely unbalanced and without great spectacle.

I also have this idea, that Palmeiras, Flamengo and Atletico MG are the main candidates. But this is perhaps a vision of someone outside Brazil.

Yes this is true.
But I believe that maybe there is a way to make this event possible in small countries, it could be by regions, for example, a championship between teams in the south of the country, a championship in the north, among other possibilities.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Does a foreign coach have more knowledge to pass on to the team and the ability to win a championship?

I think it can bring other views of the game and approach, especially European coaches, as they theoretically see themselves as "better".
On the other hand, it also has more challenges, as they are unaware of the Brazilian championship, they have to adapt well so that they can combine the knowledge they have with the Brazilian championship.

In the case of the Portuguese, they are the 4 excellent coaches and they all coached the biggest clubs in Portugal and beyond.

I agree, a foreign coach has new ideas and manages other styles of football, but it is somewhat difficult, since the Brazilian teams have really tough and attack-focused football, just watching Palmeiras play is reason enough to give fear of any other team, in the Copa Libertadores de América the teams that shine the most are the Brazilians, of course also the Argentines, but I think that in Brazil not only because of its league is that it is so great but because of its players, we cannot forget that Neymar Jr came from there, from a Brazilian league of another level, so a coach who could make a difference for me would be a European one (without underestimating any other)

[joker_josue]

Yes this is true.
But I believe that maybe there is a way to make this event possible in small countries, it could be by regions, for example, a championship between teams in the south of the country, a championship in the north, among other possibilities.

Even so, it can easily become an unbalanced turner.

For example, in Portugal, a mid-season tournament was created, with the aim of trying to get smaller clubs to have greater visibility and even have more chances of winning, since it is not a tournament of great interest to big clubs. Even so, over the 15 editions, only 2 small clubs won once, another medium club won 2 times, and the rest were won between two big clubs.

[Lucasgabd]

This model could only be applied in large countries and with a significant number of clubs per region, otherwise it would become extremely unbalanced and without great spectacle.

I also have this idea, that Palmeiras, Flamengo and Atletico MG are the main candidates. But this is perhaps a vision of someone outside Brazil.

Yes this is true.
But I believe that maybe there is a way to make this event possible in small countries, it could be by regions, for example, a championship between teams in the south of the country, a championship in the north, among other possibilities.

probably easier to organize a big championship with the whole country than many small ones within it
just because you need a min number of teams to be able to make it happen

like, how many? maybe 12? 8 if we really push it...
a small country may have 8 pro teams, 4 coming from the south and 4 coming from the north, let's say...

[joker_josue]

probably easier to organize a big championship with the whole country than many small ones within it
just because you need a min number of teams to be able to make it happen

like, how many? maybe 12? 8 if we really push it...
a small country may have 8 pro teams, 4 coming from the south and 4 coming from the north, let's say...

I give the example of Portugal again, which even has several professional teams and has been in the first division for a long time.
But then the dispute for victory is only between three clubs, which are considered the big ones, and sometimes a fourth club tries to fight. In the last 20 years, not counting last year, only two different teams have won the national championship.
This makes it difficult to have more competitions.

[Lucasgabd]

probably easier to organize a big championship with the whole country than many small ones within it
just because you need a min number of teams to be able to make it happen

like, how many? maybe 12? 8 if we really push it...
a small country may have 8 pro teams, 4 coming from the south and 4 coming from the north, let's say...

I give the example of Portugal again, which even has several professional teams and has been in the first division for a long time.
But then the dispute for victory is only between three clubs, which are considered the big ones, and sometimes a fourth club tries to fight. In the last 20 years, not counting last year, only two different teams have won the national championship.
This makes it difficult to have more competitions.

yes, exactly this
that's why we end up having more championships like that only in big countries or between countries and it may be hard to make regional ones...

[joker_josue]

yes, exactly this
that's why we end up having more championships like that only in big countries or between countries and it may be hard to make regional ones...

And in Europe, the style of football is different, and the big clubs are not interested in doing this type of competition.
For example, England, which is a country that has many football clubs, and is even a very competitive football in all divisions, does not have regionals involving large clubs.

[gagux123]

probably easier to organize a big championship with the whole country than many small ones within it
just because you need a min number of teams to be able to make it happen

like, how many? maybe 12? 8 if we really push it...
a small country may have 8 pro teams, 4 coming from the south and 4 coming from the north, let's say...

So @Lucasgabd I believe this is a point to be discussed.
I believe in this case a "Brasileirão" or "Copa do Brasil" would be better
Regarding restricted competitions at the state level, each state will have to organize its competitions and with that, we will possibly have some unbalanced games between a team from the southeast/south than one in the northeast.

One point that I think is an advantage of holding several games/competitions at the state level is that small clubs in the interior may have more chances of reaching the "Serie A", for example, because if it were a competition at the national level, hardly a small team and with limited resources, he will be able to reach the Serie A of a national championship.

[joker_josue]

One point that I think is an advantage of holding several games/competitions at the state level is that small clubs in the interior may have more chances of reaching the "Serie A", for example, because if it were a competition at the national level, hardly a small team and with limited resources, he will be able to reach the Serie A of a national championship.

But that won't solve the small club's problem - lack of money.
It is true that being in "Serie A" will bring more money, but it will also have more expenses, as in longer trips.
This in turn would lower the competitive levels of "series A", which could further solidify the big clubs.

I had a colleague, who played for the amateur club, in the lower division. When we talked about what their goal was for the season, he replied that it was second. I asked why. The answer was that if they get first, they will go up in division and that will increase expenses that would cost the club more money, which would no longer be viable.

[alegotardo]

I had a colleague, who played for the amateur club, in the lower division. When we talked about what their goal was for the season, he replied that it was second. I asked why. The answer was that if they get first, they will go up in division and that will increase expenses that would cost the club more money, which would no longer be viable.

I think it depends....
A Serie A club is more prominent in the media and consequently gets more support from sponsors.

Of course, this demands a strong and organized board, so if a team that is poorly prepared for the mainly category football of a country has the technical ability to get there, it will surely quickly drop to the second division again.

Not only good technical preparation survives good teams, organization is and the preparation of the board is also fundamental.

In Brazil, it's this lack of competence that has already made many good teams in the first division fall, despite having excellent players.

[gagux123]

But that won't solve the small club's problem - lack of money.
It is true that being in "Serie A" will bring more money, but it will also have more expenses, as in longer trips.
This in turn would lower the competitive levels of "series A", which could further solidify the big clubs.

I had a colleague, who played for the amateur club, in the lower division. When we talked about what their goal was for the season, he replied that it was second. I asked why. The answer was that if they get first, they will go up in division and that will increase expenses that would cost the club more money, which would no longer be viable.

I also agree with what @alegotardo said, this is relative!!

When a team from series C or series B can move up in category/level, consequently they will get several sponsors and financial help for the team.
But to maintain this consistency in a series A, for example, the team needs to stand out, evolve and especially have a good board of director to help the team

[Lucasgabd]

But that won't solve the small club's problem - lack of money.
It is true that being in "Serie A" will bring more money, but it will also have more expenses, as in longer trips.
This in turn would lower the competitive levels of "series A", which could further solidify the big clubs.

I had a colleague, who played for the amateur club, in the lower division. When we talked about what their goal was for the season, he replied that it was second. I asked why. The answer was that if they get first, they will go up in division and that will increase expenses that would cost the club more money, which would no longer be viable.

I also agree with what @alegotardo said, this is relative!!

When a team from series C or series B can move up in category/level, consequently they will get several sponsors and financial help for the team.
But to maintain this consistency in a series A, for example, the team needs to stand out, evolve and especially have a good board of director to help the team

on point!
it can turn into a positive feedback loop

but following this idea, do you think it's easier for series A teams remain on top and never fall for series B?

in a fast google search I just read that last time 4 teams fell from series A to B (not sure if its like that all the time)
from 128 teams in total this is only 3.125%

[joker_josue]

but following this idea, do you think it's easier for series A teams remain on top and never fall for series B?

in a fast google search I just read that last time 4 teams fell from series A to B (not sure if its like that all the time)
from 128 teams in total this is only 3.125%

But this is also normal! There are few places to get off.

Normally there are only 2 or 3 places to drop down from a division (at least in the European championships it is like that). There are usually about 4 or 5 clubs, which you have forecasts to go down, but only two go down, so there's always a good chance you won't go down. Therefore, a club that rises, as long as it can guarantee to stay in these places, will make it to get another season in the top division.

[Lucasgabd]

but following this idea, do you think it's easier for series A teams remain on top and never fall for series B?

in a fast google search I just read that last time 4 teams fell from series A to B (not sure if its like that all the time)
from 128 teams in total this is only 3.125%

But this is also normal! There are few places to get off.

Normally there are only 2 or 3 places to drop down from a division (at least in the European championships it is like that). There are usually about 4 or 5 clubs, which you have forecasts to go down, but only two go down, so there's always a good chance you won't go down. Therefore, a club that rises, as long as it can guarantee to stay in these places, will make it to get another season in the top division.

yes, I went to search it because I'm not that much into sports so didn't even know about it.
And is it right to think that if there are 4 teams going down there are also 4 coming up from series B to A?

[alegotardo]

yes, I went to search it because I'm not that much into sports so didn't even know about it.
And is it right to think that if there are 4 teams going down there are also 4 coming up from series B to A?

Yeap, between the series A, B, C and D of the Brazilian championship, there are always 4 teams being relegated and 4 being promoted between them.

Currently only 4 teams have never been relegated from the A series... Flamengo, Fluminense, São Paulo and Santos.

Among the teams that most felt the heartbreak of being relegated from Serie A are:América-MG, Coritiba, Goiás, Sport and Vitória with 6 relegations each.

[gagux123]

Well, as we can see, the Brasileirão has already started and we had some relevant and interesting games to watch.

Anyone else watching these games too? What did you think of this beginning of the season?
In your opinion guys... wich team will be the champion in this year!!? Any predictions?

[joker_josue]

Well, as we can see, the Brasileirão has already started and we had some relevant and interesting games to watch.

Anyone else watching these games too? What did you think of this beginning of the season?
In your opinion guys... wich team will be the champion in this year!!? Any predictions?

I realized this weekend that the Brasileirão had already started, because while zapping on TV, I saw a channel playing a game. I don't know if I'll be able to go camping every game, because the hours of games in Portugal are not the most favorable. But maybe, as the most anticipated games are announced here, I can try to see something.

I have no idea who might win, but I have the precession that this year there will be more clubs competing for the title than last year.

[Lucasgabd]

Well, as we can see, the Brasileirão has already started and we had some relevant and interesting games to watch.

Anyone else watching these games too? What did you think of this beginning of the season?
In your opinion guys... wich team will be the champion in this year!!? Any predictions?

I realized this weekend that the Brasileirão had already started, because while zapping on TV, I saw a channel playing a game. I don't know if I'll be able to go camping every game, because the hours of games in Portugal are not the most favorable. But maybe, as the most anticipated games are announced here, I can try to see something.

I have no idea who might win, but I have the precession that this year there will be more clubs competing for the title than last year.

you can probably find a replay of the games online, but totally agree that watching it live is way cooler and there's more emotions this way than when you already know what the results will be...

[joker_josue]

you can probably find a replay of the games online, but totally agree that watching it live is way cooler and there's more emotions this way than when you already know what the results will be...

It is very rare to watch a football match without being live. By the way, I usually just watch some sport live, whether it's football or another.
That doesn't mean you can't watch for a few minutes, and if you're interested, stay longer. But it's rare.