Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements

[Mahdirakib]

I would really like to know what systems and algorithms they have in place to look at a player's gambling history and patterns and determine that they are possibly dealing with an underaged player? Are there certain bets that a 17-year old would place but an 19-year old never would because he is of legal age? Nonsense.   

A 15-17 years old is mature enough to manage their funds. They also knows how to take the risk with their funds. So, there won't be any difference between a 18 or above years old and 15 to 17 years old people betting pattern. There could be some differences in terms of risk management if any 12 or less years old start betting. Generally, no casino has any system to determine the underage gamblers.

Crashino.com KYC policy and advertising system is questionable from my view. The may suspect any user as an underage gambler. Then they will apply the identity verification rules to him. Moreover, they should block the user account if anyone breach their terms. I can't see the reason to apply the KYC requirement in that case.

~ A casino that does not require KYC will have no license to speak of and no reason to pay you out if you win big unless they are a very long-standing, well-known and reputable casino operator. ~snip~ A cheap no-KYC casino is most likely a scam. Their main mission is to grab your money and run.

Quoting this to give an example here. User ‘bambolina’ has created a scam accusation against ‘LTC Casino’ one month ago (See here). LTC Casino doesn't have the gambling license and KYC verification isn't required there. LTC Casino team aren't making much response in bitcointalk forum. Even they aren't cooperating with the casino guru team (who are working as a middleman to solve the complaint). And here is the last response which user ‘bambolina’ has received from casino guru team



So, a licensed casino with KYC requirement is better than a new, unlicensed and ‘no KYC' casino. If LTC Casino had the gambling license then there would have been an option to force them through the license provider to resolve the issue quickly.

[Pmalek]

A 15-17 years old is mature enough to manage their funds. They also knows how to take the risk with their funds. So, there won't be any difference between a 18 or above years old and 15 to 17 years old people betting pattern.

Exactly my point. You can't come to such conclusions based on the way someone wagers there money. Some gamblers have good risk management, others have poor. Some play with 5-10% of their total bag per hand, others wager all at once. The point is, the casino can't suspect that the gamblers who take greater risks are underaged.

Quoting this to give an example here. User ‘bambolina’ has created a scam accusation against ‘LTC Casino’ one month ago (See here).

I am familiar with the case. I came across it while browsing the Scam Accusation board. The casino believes the player in question has used some automated or illegal software. According to them, the player has played 16 hours straight with no pauses between the spins. They are saying that there wasn't even 1 second difference between two rounds. The player played the same slot all the time and managed to win 3 jackpots. Or was it 2? I forgot. All that triggered their alarms.

I communicated with both the player and LTC Casino trying to get them to release the data and evidence they have against the player. No luck so far. They have promised to release the data once the investigation has been concluded. According to their TOS, they have the right to take up to 3 months for that.

I am not sure what to think. I don't like the casino's silence, but I also find it very difficult to talk with the player and OP of that thread. He keeps stating that the evidence shows he did nothing wrong. But there is no evidence. LTC Casino has not released any data and we don't know what Wazdan (the game provider has sent them). Wazdan's team claims they sent everything they needed. LTC Casino says that's not true. Neither party is releasing information about what was sent or received. Obviously, the player believes Wazdan, because that suits him. I can't side with the player not having seen the data that was never released. But the user bambolina doesn't understand that and believes I have sided with the casino. We also don't know what the Casino Guru rep has received from both parties and what records they have looked at.   

LTC Casino claims to have asked Wazdan for additional information that they haven't provided. I PMed the casino's forum rep and asked them to post proof of this request. So far they haven't done that. LTC Casino is doing this wrongly if you ask me. But, is that enough to prove they are lying? I don't think it is. If the player played and won the money fairly, I understand his anger. But I have a feeling this will take a long time to settle.

[Mahdirakib]

According to them, the player has played 16 hours straight with no pauses between the spins. They are saying that there wasn't even 1 second difference between two rounds. The player played the same slot all the time and managed to win 3 jackpots. Or was it 2? I forgot. All that triggered their alarms.

The casino team has claimed that, but they haven't provided any single proof of it. The player has won 3 jackpots. One of those was small amount and he lost it later. But he won two big jackpot after that.

I am not sure what to think. I don't like the casino's silence, but I also find it very difficult to talk with the player and OP of that thread. He keeps stating that the evidence shows he did nothing wrong. But there is no evidence.

The player won't have any evidence to show that he played the game without using the illegal method. Everything depends on the casino team and game provider. The game provider wouldn't make much delay to provide the evidence if the user really used some illegal method.

But the user bambolina doesn't understand that and believes I have sided with the casino. We also don't know what the Casino Guru rep has received from both parties and what records they have looked at.

Yeah, I have read those conversations. The OP thought you are supporting the casino team. At first I had neutral view in his accusation. But today I have stand against the casino for their negligence and silence. You can find the conversations among bambolina, LTC casino and Casino Guru representative here: LTC Casino - Player’s account has been blocked and audited.
There is a 14 hours timer now and they will close the case as unsolved if LTC casino team doesn't give any response.

I PMed the casino's forum rep and asked them to post proof of this request. So far they haven't done that. LTC Casino is doing this wrongly if you ask me. But, is that enough to prove they are lying? I don't think it is. If the player played and won the money fairly, I understand his anger. But I have a feeling this will take a long time to settle.

The accusation was created in the forum one month ago. LTC casino representative has made only 4 response in the accusation thread until now. He hasn't answered to a lot of question which was asked by some forum members. They haven't given any real update of this investigation. LTC casino can take 3 months to give the final answer, but they should have cooperate (making response) with the gambling community on regular basis to maintain their reputation. They are doing the opposite.

[Pmalek]

The game provider wouldn't make much delay to provide the evidence if the user really used some illegal method.

It depends if they know what they are looking for or if they want to fix it at all. The other provider that was mentioned in that thread was Felix Gaming. A vulnerability was found in their games. Initially, the game provider claimed there were no problems, but eventually admitted that things went wrong. It cannot be ruled out that something similar isn't happening here and that Wazdan knows about a serious flaw but can't or doesn't want to fix it.   

The accusation was created in the forum one month ago. LTC casino representative has made only 4 response in the accusation thread until now. He hasn't answered to a lot of question which was asked by some forum members. They haven't given any real update of this investigation. LTC casino can take 3 months to give the final answer, but they should have cooperate (making response) with the gambling community on regular basis to maintain their reputation. They are doing the opposite.

I totally agree, and there is a better way to handle this situation. Unfortunately, LTC casino isn't going down that road.

[ultraBTC]

So, a licensed casino with KYC requirement is better than a new, unlicensed and ‘no KYC' casino. If LTC Casino had the gambling license then there would have been an option to force them through the license provider to resolve the issue quickly.

Agree on that one.
Additionally, it also depends on the Master license (if we talk about Curacao licenses). For example, Curaçao Master License 8048/JAZ (Antillephone N.V) or Curaçao Master License 365/JAZ actually responds to player complaints. On the other hand, that can't be said for Master License 1668/JAZ.

There is a difference between licenses, and some of them wouldn't be much of a help for player complaints.

[delfastTions]

So, a licensed casino with KYC requirement is better than a new, unlicensed and ‘no KYC' casino. If LTC Casino had the gambling license then there would have been an option to force them through the license provider to resolve the issue quickly.

Agree on that one.
Additionally, it also depends on the Master license (if we talk about Curacao licenses). For example, Curaçao Master License 8048/JAZ (Antillephone N.V) or Curaçao Master License 365/JAZ actually responds to player complaints. On the other hand, that can't be said for Master License 1668/JAZ.

There is a difference between licenses, and some of them wouldn't be much of a help for player complaints.

Curacao is a fairly well-known and widespread license, and it makes no sense to doubt its ability to regulate and somewhat control the gambling market. 

However, I think that any kind of licensing is an insufficient guarantee for specific players.  There are many nuances in these licenses that may not protect the player in a controversial situation.  And it will be useless to argue.  And even KYC won't help.  It would only hurt if the player chose to remain anonymous. 

So don't over-believe everything in our world full of lies.

[Peanutswar]

This list is a good introduction to the player who would like to seek some information what is the ideal gambling platform for them and I already used some of them because they are already created a good reputation to our forum, ill try to explore more if there suitable for my needs as a gambler I do mostly with the sports and e-sports betting and it's easier to make a background check now because of the list.

[zidanw]

That was a great list, and putting (if needed) is really important since players would know if it is mandatory that they ask KYC. Is this list updated monthly I've seen new gambling site opening the last I remember is the SandboxCasino.

[delfastTions]

As for KYC, it is worth noting that after the introduction of this procedure in 2016 by these filthy regulatory authorities in the USA, this procedure is now more and more required everywhere.  So don't be surprised that when you suddenly go to your favorite gambling site, where there was no KYC requirement when you registered, they suddenly require it.  Otherwise, neither the deposit nor the winnings will be returned.  That's the kind of "care" about customers.  Thanks to filthy regulators (the authors of KYC for cryptocurrency would go to hell)

[joeperry]

This is a great list of gambling sites and KYC requirements, it is very detailed including the list of the required identification or valid identification that can be accepted in the gambling site. As we can see most of the licensed gambling site do require users at some point to do KYC since it is a requirements of their license but I wasn't yet asked to verify my account and is still optional.

I am playing at Bitsler and Stake.com and sometimes at Gamdom when I receive my payment from them through the site.

[delfastTions]

This is a great list of gambling sites and KYC requirements, it is very detailed including the list of the required identification or valid identification that can be accepted in the gambling site. As we can see most of the licensed gambling site do require users at some point to do KYC since it is a requirements of their license but I wasn't yet asked to verify my account and is still optional.

I am playing at Bitsler and Stake.com and sometimes at Gamdom when I receive my payment from them through the site.

But you must be ready for the KYC procedure at any time.  I have already come across such an unexpected "gift" several times from both crypto exchanges and gambling sites.  By the way, this can be quite unpleasant, especially if you are asked to confirm your identity, present not only a photo of your face with a document that you must hold in your hands, but also a utility bill to confirm your address.
 All this is very annoying and takes up your time.

[mrongoz_imut]

Most helpful with OP listed all gambling platform required or not with KYC, actually if any several gambling platform listed by OP need KYC not any way for children under 18 years old for betting and active on gambling platform. Appreciated what did by OP because he was clearly explain and give guide on several gambling platform which one have to pass KYC or not. I think with beginner on several gambling platform will know when trying several gambling site which one have to pass KYC or not.

[xSkylarx]

This is exactly what I've been looking for since yesterday because I intend to register with another gambling website. I'm tired of checking each site's requirements one by one, and I can't seem to find a comprehensive list of requirements in a Google search. This list is also up to date and makes it simple to choose which websites to register with. However, I will try the website that does not require KYC just to get a feel for it. I am looking for new experiences in gambling websites because I am getting bored with my current gambling site because there is no new innovation I think because this website is running for a long time since 2016 I think.

[delfastTions]

If someone knows how to make it so that when searching for reviews and tables with crypto-casinos using a search engine like Google or yandex, at least in the first ten links there would be a link to BTT and to the first post of OP.  It is really very useful and informative for those newcomers who are interested in the terms of the crypto-casino services.  And in particular, the presence of the KYC requirement. 
If anyone knows how to do this, please help.

[BitcoinAccepted]

I think we will eventually move to sites that are all required to perform a KYC. This is not yet the case at the moment, but you can see that licensing committees and licensing authorities are becoming stricter and more demanding. It is a pity that bitcoin is no longer so anonymous, banks are losing their power and supervision, and want more control and exert a lot of influence over governments, which in turn puts pressure on the licensing commissions. Fortunately, there are still a number of sites where you can gamble completely anonymously.

[Poker Player]

If someone knows how to make it so that when searching for reviews and tables with crypto-casinos using a search engine like Google or yandex, at least in the first ten links there would be a link to BTT and to the first post of OP.  It is really very useful and informative for those newcomers who are interested in the terms of the crypto-casino services.  And in particular, the presence of the KYC requirement. 
If anyone knows how to do this, please help.

I just googled "crypto casinos KYC" and this thread comes up in result 9 on google, but I understand that this may be influenced by several factors, such as past searches, my geographical location and such.

On the other hand, for this post to appear even higher in google, someone would have to spend money, and I don't think anyone is going to do it.

The forum usually appears high in searches about Bitcoin and crypto, so I don't see the need you are talking about.

[aysg76]

I just googled "crypto casinos KYC" and this thread comes up in result 9 on google, but I understand that this may be influenced by several factors, such as past searches, my geographical location and such.

On the other hand, for this post to appear even higher in google, someone would have to spend money, and I don't think anyone is going to do it.

The forum usually appears high in searches about Bitcoin and crypto, so I don't see the need you are talking about.

After this post i also checked it and this thread was on first page but at number 10^th so you can see only a little variation is there.You can see that there is lot of discussion about this KYC topic and members of the forum search for it so it's in there.The other high rank search were of reddit post and Bitcasino as they are popular option to search for it.

Yes as forum already deals in various topics and if you search for it the results will usually be in top.

[wildan88]

Why most of the people in crypto doesn't like KYC but also doesn't like if the gambling site has no gambling license. If you see Curacao gambling license which is too common in online crypto gambling site assume it already that you will do KYC at some point since most gambling license requires it.

[Hamphser]

Why most of the people in crypto doesn't like KYC but also doesn't like if the gambling site has no gambling license. If you see Curacao gambling license which is too common in online crypto gambling site assume it already that you will do KYC at some point since most gambling license requires it.

Try to check this link out.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5381143.0

Most of them are licensed but most of them doesnt really require KYC but excluding into some circumstances which is mostly that common and been put up on their
terms and conditions which means that being licensed doesnt mean that KYC is mandatory.We could actually experience it now.

[safari88]

It's good that people have made a list. Many players still prefer to gamble anonymously. It is true that you are often allowed to gamble anonymously in the beginning, but if you are winning a lot of money, the problems could start and a KYC is still requested. But that is not the same with every player, with some players and not with others. Depends on how successful a player is. If a player loses a lot, a casino is not likely to ask for a KYC. Sooner or later, every casino will have to bear the obligation.